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  • cscopper AMERICAN FORK, UT
    Aug. 29, 2014 4:16 p.m.

    No they are not, Americans are more against interventions since before WWI. Just a planted article to try to sway public opinion so you can kill more of my friends and foreign citizens for power and greed.

  • Dragline Orem, UT
    Aug. 29, 2014 5:01 p.m.

    I think this shows we are ready to send other people's kids to fight.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Aug. 29, 2014 6:02 p.m.

    I'm all for it. If we institute a draft, and cover the cost on a 'pay as you go' plan. Every year's tax return should have a line item for the cost of the war thus far.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Aug. 29, 2014 6:42 p.m.

    War is not a football game that we cheer when we score a spectacular hit or cry when the opposing team makes a score. War is about the killing of other human beings for political reasons. The killing of a human being is a sin. The taking of life is not justified in any way shape or form. The rule of kill or be killed is applied but it is still wrong for them to kill you and you to kill them. To bomb the innocent is wrong and to be bombed is wrong. War is wrong!

    For price of these several wars brought to us during the Bush years we could have paid for every man woman and child in America to attend college. What a difference we could make in the world if war are more educated. Money spent on war is WRONG!

    Don't misunderstand me, I love our troops and our country.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Aug. 29, 2014 10:12 p.m.

    These terrorists would not be active if we had not removed Saddam Hussein. Interfere in other countries, and chances are you'll make things worse.

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    Aug. 29, 2014 10:28 p.m.

    "...generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth." -Barack Hussein Obama (Nomination Victory Speech, June 3, 2008)

    "we don’t have a strategy yet" -President Obama, August 28, 2014

    Hope and Change...Pfft!

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Aug. 29, 2014 10:41 p.m.

    We are a warlike people.

    "...easily distracted from our assignment of preparing for the coming of the Lord. When enemies rise up, we commit vast resources to the fabrication of gods of stone and steel — ships, planes, missiles, fortifications — and depend on them for protection and deliverance. When threatened, we become anti-enemy instead of pro-kingdom of God; we train a man in the art of war and call him a patriot, thus, in the manner of Satan's counterfeit of true patriotism, perverting the Savior's teaching [to love your enemies]."

    —LDS Church President Spencer W. Kimball, 1976

    One cannot be a good Mormon and support articles like these. War is evil. Killing each other is Satan's plan. The Lord desires us to love each other, not kill.

  • Hamath Omaha, NE
    Aug. 30, 2014 5:43 a.m.

    So what i hear is a lot of people commenting on guesses.

    1. The article which has some data that backs up it's claims are full of lies. Wow! OK, I guess the data was completely made up then.
    2. If Bush had not committed $ to the wars, we could have paid for college for everyone (and then of course nothing bad would have happened in return). Look, I'm not saying it was a good decision to go to war. But to assume that not going to war that we would have suffered no consequences while allowing Al-Queda to continue to have gov't based training grounds is a guessing game... who knows maybe Afghanistan would have morphed into a even more productive relationship with Al-Queda... we don't know. At the same time, it may be better today if we hadn't invaded. And we would have all that money. We just don't know.
    3. Terrorrist wouldn't be as active if we hadn't invaded. Guessing again. (I think you're right).

    At least put some "I think" or "i believe" qualifications people. Otherwise you sound like you are on shaky ground.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Aug. 30, 2014 11:10 a.m.

    "Americans are changing their tune on foreign policy"

    And that's really too bad.

    Obviously, America's news media, traditionally the conscience of America is now following the irresponsible strategy of Right Wing propagandists . . . And has caved in to greed. It now tells people what they want to hear instead of the truths they NEED to hear.

    There's a lot of money to be made by feeding the limbic-brained prejudices of the masses . . . A LOT of money.

    America's military industrial complex profits from the trillions we've spent over the years on the military, at the expense of the American taxpayer . . . And it stretches far beyond America. We give Israel billions with the understanding they will spend most of it on American weapons of war.

    Perpetual warfare enriches many, while it impoverishes many, many more. At the same time we spend trillions in warfare, America's richest pay very little in taxes . . . a precedent established by the destructive GW Bush administration. And now THAT has become the status quo along with perpetual war.

    The warmongers who parasitize this nation and the world are venerated by the media, when they should be publicly held to account . . . and reviled.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 30, 2014 6:48 p.m.

    Americans are becoming more comfortable with foreign intervention? I hope this isn't true and suspect it isn't. There are forces in this country that are chomping at the bit to involve us in another war. These are the same people no doubt that came up with the story there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The fact we can't afford it and the fact it will cost many Americans their lives and well being seems to be of no concern to them.

  • stevo123 slc, ut
    Aug. 30, 2014 7:17 p.m.

    Gary O, Indeed the rightwing media machine (fox) is ready to send our kids off to war.

  • Sequoya Stafford, VA
    Aug. 30, 2014 7:29 p.m.

    I guess the War is Heaven was a wicked, evil thing, no doubt perpetrated by the Eternal Military Industrial Complex!!

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 30, 2014 7:38 p.m.

    Better double income taxes to pay for the three or four wars.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 30, 2014 7:39 p.m.

    Another untrue column in the Dnews. Not surprised.

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    Aug. 30, 2014 8:34 p.m.

    cjb said:

    "These are the same people no doubt that came up with the story there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq."

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    The Democrats had the same intelligence that Iraq was developing WMDs that Bush did when they voted yes to the invasion of Iraq. Just in case our good friends on the Left have forgotten, here's the Senate Democrat "Yeas":

    Bayh (D-IN)
    Biden (D-DE)
    Breaux (D-LA)
    Cantwell (D-WA)
    Carnahan (D-MO)
    Carper (D-DE)
    Cleland (D-GA)
    Clinton (D-NY)
    Daschle (D-SD)
    Dodd (D-CT)
    Dorgan (D-ND)
    Edwards (D-NC)
    Feinstein (D-CA)
    Harkin (D-IA) Hollings (D-SC)
    Johnson (D-SD)
    Kerry (D-MA)
    Kohl (D-WI)
    Landrieu (D-LA)
    Lieberman (D-CT)
    Lincoln (D-AR)
    Miller (D-GA)
    Nelson (D-FL)
    Nelson (D-NE)
    Reid (D-NV)
    Rockefeller (D-WV)
    Schumer (D-NY)
    Torricelli (D-NJ)

    Consider Sec. of State (Then Senator) John Kerry's words regarding Iraq's WMDs:

    "According to the CIA's report, all U.S. intelligence experts agree that Iraq is seeking nuclear weapons. There is little question that Saddam Hussein wants to develop nuclear weapons." Congressional Record, October 9, 2002

  • Jack Aurora, CO
    Aug. 30, 2014 9:28 p.m.

    Once again, folks are jumping to the conclusion that foreign intervention means a large scale invasion, only military options and everyone is going to die. How about having a foreign policy that intervenes without war, and isn't dependent on "wrong side of history" and "how barbaric" to express disdain. How about an intelligence apparatus that is actively collecting data and giving a warning before "reading it in the morning paper". Better yet, lets get some adults in the White House advisory corp who have some idea of the world as it is and not neophytes and the utopia they imagine it to be. Then, a Chief Executive who pays attention at the daily intel briefings. Yes, they are important. That's what I want, I understand the need to intervene militarily, I also understand that a coherent foreign policy accomplishes a lot, short of actually unleashing the dogs of war; but once they are loosed, they wreak havoc by design.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Aug. 30, 2014 9:37 p.m.

    I wonder if we can be selective based on who is willing to do things for themselves?

    Kurds are willing to fight and are organized, then we arm them. If we are confident that the Free Syrian Army won't turn against us, Afghanistan-style, then we can help them. If Afghanistan continues to be completely corrupt we cut them loose and wish them the best.

    If we help someone who can help themselves, we aren't helping, we are hurting.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Aug. 31, 2014 7:44 a.m.

    "The Democrats had the same intelligence that Iraq was developing WMDs that Bush did"

    Doesn't change the fact that the "intelligence" was cherry picked, made up, distorted, and planted. How do we know that, because it wasn't true.

    BTW Sven, we have created care for the sick, we have begun to heal the oceans, we have recovered all the jobs plus millions more for a nation that was losing 750,000 a month just months after the nomination, we have ended wars, and our place in the world is more of a last great hope than the 8 years preceding it. In fact the context of the no strategy comment is evidence of such hope. Our first response is not to rush into your country and kill your civilians. Our approach is a measured thoughtful approach.

    Just because your world construct doesn't recognize these accomplishments doesn't mean they aren't real, the same as just because your world construct supported the "intelligence" didn't make it real.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Aug. 31, 2014 8:52 a.m.

    "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself".
    John Stuart Mill

    There is only ONE good reason for war, freedom! Most wars are fought for conquest, America has been an exception to that. America goes to war to free people from the conquests of tyrants and dictators, then we leave and allow them to govern themselves, if they will or not is up to them!

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    Aug. 31, 2014 9:17 a.m.

    pragmatistferlife said:

    "Doesn't change the fact that the 'intelligence' was cherry picked, made up, distorted, and planted. How do we know that, because it wasn't true."

    So, you want us to be outraged that Bush used this intelligence, but give the Democrats a pass? Really? I think you need a reminder of what Senator John Kerry had to say about this intelligence:

    "According to the CIA's report, all U.S. intelligence experts agree that Iraq is seeking nuclear weapons. There is little question that Saddam Hussein wants to develop nuclear weapons." (Congressional Record, October 9, 2002)

    You can spin this all you want; these Democrats, and other nations are on record as agreeing to go into Iraq. I know facts are bothersome to liberals, but they are what they are.

    You said:

    "BTW Sven, we have created care for the sick."

    You might want to ask the 4.2 million who've lost their Existing health insurance under the individual mandate portion of Obamacare how that's working out for them. BTW, if Obamacare is so wanted, so needed, so essential; why does Dear Leader keep delaying major portions of its implementation such as the "Employer Mandate"?

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    Aug. 31, 2014 9:25 a.m.

    pragmatistferlife said:

    "Doesn't change the fact that the 'intelligence' was cherry picked, made up, distorted, and planted. How do we know that, because it wasn't true."

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    Funny, your description actually sounds like the "scientific method" liberals use to try and prove Global Warming. :-D

  • nonceleb Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2014 11:22 a.m.

    Short memory. Both Afghanistan and Iraq have been failures in consummating our stated purposes and goals. It is easy to do saber-rattling when it does not directly affect you and there is an all-volunteer military to do the dirty work.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 31, 2014 12:45 p.m.

    Changing tunes, because of media reporting can be dangerous.

    Most media reporting are only forty percent accurate.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 31, 2014 1:19 p.m.

    Re Sven

    What is the purpose of your list of Democrats who noted for the the war in Iraq? Republicans voted for it too and I don't blame any of them. Congress wasn't at fault. They were given false misleading information. I would have voted for that war too.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Aug. 31, 2014 3:02 p.m.

    Sven, nobody gave anybody a pass once again you make things up. The crime is in the fact that the intelligence was cherry picked, made up, and distorted. The one person who doesn't get a pass is Cheney. He is the primary perpetrated of the "intelligence".

    "You might want to ask the 4.2 million who've lost their Existing health insurance "

    You mean the 4.2 million that now have better insurance and in most cases for less or the same. How about the 35 million that now have coverage that they didn't have before? We have in fact made significant progress towards better health care for all.

    Implementation has nothing to do with wanted or needed. It's all about effectiveness. Keep conflating, distorting and fabricating it doesn't change reality.

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2014 3:14 p.m.

    RE Hamath
    Omaha NE

    I would be interested in your opinion. Do you think Al Queda or Qaeda was in Iraq at the time of the invasion?

  • deseret pete robertson, Wy
    Aug. 31, 2014 7:23 p.m.

    It going to be hard to Ignore the threat of terrorists because they will not stop -- However it is hard to stop them when we have no real plan to confront them.It is like having a water boy trying to coach the Super Bowl.--- He isn't looking to get in the game --He wouldn't know what to do.That's what the american people are afraid of. If you go to war you don't go to give your opponent a bloody nose --- you go to knock him out as quick as possible - but it takes a plan and the guts to carry it out

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    Sept. 2, 2014 8:17 a.m.

    JJ Feinauer is a Web producer for Moneywise and Opinion on Deseret News...

    ======

    Funny,
    No prior military experience posted.

    Tell you what JJ,
    YOU enlist and YOU go...

    As veteran,
    I'm DONE doing the work others want,
    but aren't willing to do themselves!

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    Sept. 4, 2014 5:03 p.m.

    Thid Barker
    Victor, ID

    There is only ONE good reason for war, freedom! Most wars are fought for conquest, America has been an exception to that. America goes to war to free people from the conquests of tyrants and dictators, then we leave and allow them to govern themselves, if they will or not is up to them!

    8:52 a.m. Aug. 31, 2014

    =========

    THIS veteran is curious,
    What branch of the Armed Forces did you serve in, Thid?
    and
    What Campaigns did you fight in?