Especially sorry to hear Johnson won't get his homecoming!At
least with BYU and Bronco you always know you have to obey the team rules and
the honor code or there will be consequences, regardless of how much the team
needs you. You may not always know the consequences, but you know there will be
Like the idea that the standards are high and the consequences are followed up
with. In years past we had a tendency to look past some indiscretions and give
second and third chances with only reprimands or even less. I'm glad that I'm not the judge but I have confidence that the way
it is going players will have a good idea that there will be consequences for
certain actions. I believe the steps that are happening now with
regard to the honor code and academics will help others to live the higher
standards that that BYU represents.Good luck to all the players that
are dealing with issues in their comeback, we all look forward to your
Best we leave it up to the coach, that's why we pay him the big money, he
has to have the guts to make the hard decision!
According to what information has been made available about all this, the
players are all manning up and moving along. Not as happily as if they had no
penalty to pay where that is the case, but I'm pleased with the maturity
displayed by the players involved. No reason for any of this to be a negative or
go on past this game.
So it is not good enough that Johnson wont play in front of his family and
friends but just to prove how "disciplined" he is, Bronco doesnt even
let him travel with the team and see his family at UConn. Based on
earlier newspaper articles, Johnson had no idea that he wouldnt be traveling or
even playing t his week. Dont you think a little common courtesy would be to
let them know ealer on so that they dont make plans to be with family and have
their excitement and hopes dashed at the last minute?Once again,
Bronco does something strange and unnessary just to try and prove a point,
publicly, that BYU is different than other schools. Well, it certainly is. Now, it will all depend on Johnsons esponse whether this issue gets
messier or better. If he resents the last minute and unnessary action, and feels
that it was done to punish him personally, what good did it do Bronco? Even his refrain of "rules are rules" doesnt make this additional
Very sad for Jordan Johnson that he doesn't get to play at home by his
friends and family, but kudos to Bronco for doing the right thing.
This really stinks... Jordan Johnson sounds like a very , very good human
being... I don't know why he doesn't get to play, but
it's difficult to understand why he doesn't get to at least go (being
that this is his senior year and that this would be a homecoming for him)... Not
sure what the purpose of that is, and it's not something that requires my
approval... But I do think that circumstances sometimes requires mitigation...
Not everything is "black and white" sometimes, as a decision
maker, you have to be able to navigate through shades of gray (example, while
Brandon Davies had to sit out after an honor code violation, Coach Rose had the
"class" to let him travel with the team and sit on the bench during the
2011 NCAA Basketball Playoffs... It was recognized by Rose that Davies had made
big contributions to the program)... I understand that Justice cannot rob Mercy,
but grace should still have a seat somewhere at the table. Johnson has
contributed well this program and at the end of this year will have spent 5 very
meaningful years here.
How many 'starters' are actually going to play tonight? Too bad
players can't follow the rules.
I wonder if Johnson not playing had anything to do with the NCAA investigation,
the results of which are still pending. I'm sure that the coach had hoped
that all of this would have been resolved before now, but until it is, those
involved won't be able to play without jeopardizing the entire season for
To you harsh critics:Bronco wakes up at 2 in the morning trying to
figure a way for Jordan Johnson to make this trip.Unless you know
all aspects of the story probably best to keep your opinions to yourselves,
instead of crucifying the man. As the head coach, Bronco gets forced into
situations by his players, and he is forced to deal with those situations. I
believe he makes the right call.
Violations were very similar to that of Jamal, who also is suspended
Back TalkFederal Way, WAI am prpbably one of the very view on
this site that agrees with you."Lord, how many times shall I
forgive, 7" "Nay I say unto you, not 7, but 70 X 7""Judge
not, lest ye be judged" "Leave the judging to God"Some
times, I think that there are those that are edicted, not to alcohol, not to
tobacco,not to drugs, but to power, and sometimes, abuse of power.
USC's Coach Sarkisian is also on the hot seat for his errant player and
charges of racism from another player.When I was at Washington, a
couple of players beat up a guy in a bar and put him in the hospital. They
played the next weekend. Didn't even make the Seattle Times, if I recall
correctly.It's not easy being the coach. Times have changed and
players are kids who do stupid things. Society doesn't tolerate things that
were "boys will be boys" in the old days.
@Back Talk"Based on earlier newspaper articles, Johnson had no
idea that he wouldnt be traveling or even playing t his week. Dont you think a
little common courtesy would be to let them know ealer on so that they dont make
plans to be with family and have their excitement and hopes dashed at the last
minute?"What articles are you referring to? My understanding on
this all along has been that all the people that were going to be suspended
already knew, Bronco decided not to announce them, but a couple of them decided
to announce themselves. The others already knew, but didn't announce. Media
speculation around Johnson and Daniel being two others that would also be
suspended has been out there for weeks. I suspect that there was one incident of
some sort that all of them were involved in and all of them got caught together.
No one was caught off guard by this (except maybe you ;-) ).
Back Talk and Ronald: I'm glad I wasn't raised with you as my parents.
I'm glad my mom taught me about consequences. It has made my life as an
adult so much easier to know that I am responsible for my actions and the
ensuing consequences. Unfortunately too few people understand that concept in
our society today.
Xoltar:You nailed it on the head. I think Rob Daniel and JJ knew they were
being suspended but kept their mouths shut about it because that's what the
coaching staff wanted...to handle these HC and team rules violations in house.
Williams and Blackmon have more demonstrative and gregarious personalities (GA
friend of mine says Blackmon is always cracking jokes and reminds him a lot of
Jamal) so they tweeted and let the cat out of the bag. That said,
however, I do think it's strange that we just read an DN article where
JJ's friends and family are talking about being excited to attend the game
and watch him. When those quotes were given may lend to why they were given
also. If they were quoted few weeks ago, JJ may not have known at that time. I
just wish Bronco would handle it differently. You can say players won't
make the trip or are suspended without going into any further detail. Then we as
fans know what to expect, and not get our hopes up to see certain players. Just
some common courtesy isn't too much to ask.
I have no problem keeping the news of suspensions away from the media and fans,
but if Jordan truly had no idea as to what was going on then I have an issue
with that style of coaching. Either he knew about it and was playing the
innocent/ignorant card with the media or he truly had no idea why he wasn't
getting first team reps, etc. For the coach not to be totally up front and
honest with players is horrible and I would hope that wouldn't be the case
with Bronco in his attempts to keep things internalized in the program.Unfortunately for this young man now, he won't have the opportunity to
play in front of family and friends back east. I hope that whatever he did, it
was truly worthy of this punishment- and I hope that too many more things like
this doesn't have a negative impact on recruiting in the years to come
(fear of being suspended with no idea as to why or what).I know
we'll likely never know the full story, nor do I need to, I just trust
it's all good.Go COUGARS!
Some good discussion so far. Here's my two bits:Not just one
suspended player, but four. If you take one, do you have to take four?Only 70 guys make the flight. If four of them cannot play, you have to leave
four people behind who couuld play. Who do you leave? The 3rd string qb?
Maybe a spare kicker or deep snapper?Hang in, guys. Hope all is
well in time for Texas. Hope all is well enough for tonight.RISE
Joe and XalterI didnt advocate the these players not be punished for
breaking the rules. The problem is that not only wont Johnson be allowed to
play in front of family (which was highlighted in previous DN articles) but just
to prove how tough he is, Bronco decides at the last minute to not let him go
with the team back to his home town. That sounds like individual punishment to
me. Some sport teams tell recruits when they are recruited that the
coach will do his best to schedule a future game with a team from his home town
so that the player can play in front of family. You cant tell me that Johnson
didnt deserve to travel with the team for that reason alone. Again,
Johnsons response to this is the important thing. If he resents this indivudual
punichment it could affect his play in future games. It could also sower him on
BYU as a school and not be the ambassdor of BYU that every coach hopes his
players will be. Lets hope that he has a more forgiving attitude
than Bronco does.
Back Talk,You don't know what Johnson was or wasn't told with
regards to his making the trip east or about what he may have told his family or
friends. Assuming that he was told one thing, then had his seat taken from him
at the last moment would be an assumption of huge proportions. The game with
Connecticut was scheduled less than two years ago, and had nothing to do with
Johnson's recruitment. In fact, if stories are to be believed the effort
was being made to schedule a game with Syracuse instead, and the Connecticut
game became something of a fallback plan, so I'm going to tell you that
"Johnson didn't deserve to travel with the team for that reason".
Let's hope he has better communication with and understands his coach
better than you do.
I'm a little worried - leaving 5 guys home seems like a lot, especially
your starting corners. But the other guys have been practicing with the ones all
fall, so clearly this is not news to the guys left home.I'm
expecting a close win or a crazy goofy loss like last year to a team BYU should
stomp on. BYU wins or loses by 3.But that's the fun of college
football. Nobody predicted that Texas A&M would lay 52 on S. Carolina. A
little bummed about Ole Miss hammering Boise. The glory days are probably over
for the Broncos.Maybe Utah will beat Oregon this year. Crazier
things have happened.
I really see nothing difficult with the honor code.
If Coach Mendenhall had the discretion to make the suspension in the first place
based on the misconduct being an Honor Code or team rules violation (but nothing
implicating the NCAA), why not suspend Johnson for a different game rather than
one his high school coach/friends/family could attend that he's had marked
on his calendar since arriving at BYU 4 years ago?
BlueHusky:I feel ya Dawg. However, I think BYU will be fine. Defensively
they may give up more than they normally would but offensively they will be ok.
The RBs have a ton of experience. You have Mathews, Leslie, etc all ready at the
WR position, and by all accounts an improved offensive line. Yes it won't
be as pretty as we like but I think it will be ok.And no...Utah
isn't beating Oregon this year. I actually wish they could because I
personally can't stand the Donald Ducks but I just don't see that
GJI didnt say that Johnson was promised that BYU would schedule a game
with UConn or any other team close by his home town. I simply stated how
important playing in front of family is to players and that some teams go out of
their way to make that happen. The scheduling of UCONN only two years ago would
fit that scenario perfectly. I am sure it wasnt done just for Johnson but it
certainly was a nice side benefit up until bronco decided to add a little more
punich to his game suspension. As for saying that I am assuming what
Johnson didnt know I can only say that the Deseret News reported earlier this
week that Johnsons family and high school coach couldnt wait to see him and
hopefully see him play. If those quotes were taken from before the July party
that resulted in Johnson being suspended from the game then it is a pretty
misleading article to be running now. Would anyone really cry foul
and say that BYU was being unfair to other players if they let Johnson travel
with his teammates to his home town.