BYU will be undefeated and earn a spot in the playoffs.
Utah will go 7-5 and go to the best bowl gamebyU and usU will each
lose a game very early and their "quests" will be over almost
immediately. After that, trying to convince yourselves that games against
Wyoming and UNLV and Middle Tennessee community college are important will be
difficult.byU and usU may go 8-4 or 9-3, but with their horrible
schedules they should go 11-1.Go Utes!Go Pac 12!Go
anyone who plays byU
Don't see BYU losing to Utah State or Boise, probably 11/1. Don't see
Utah beating Michigan or Arizona, probably 4/4. Don't see USU beating BYU
or Tennessee probably 10/2. That from my crystal ball.
Seems to project the USU-BYU game will be a good one. Both sets of fans think
they are going to win it, and the DN staff are split.
My predictions.Regular seasonBYU: 10-2 losses at Texas
and UCFUtah: 4-8 Won't run the table of UA, CU, OSU, WSU.
Looses at Michigan. Won't have a surprise win like Stanford.USU: 10-2 with losses at BYU and Tennessee Post seasonBYU: Wins Miami Beach bowl. Final record 11-2 breaks the top 25. Utah: Home on the couch USU: Wins their division but Looses to
Fresno State in MWC Championship game and gets a bowl win. Final record 11-3 and
breaks the top 25.
Utah will go to the best bowl.USU will win the MWC.ESPN
will apologize for some of the lackluster games that it's obliged to air.
Prediction:Utah 5-7 (schedule is too tough, and they aren't
that good this year)Utah State 10-2 (Chuckie is awesome and the Aggies
look very solid this year - they'll win the Mountain West! Go AggiesBYU 11-1 (will lose a close one this year).Because BYU will
be so dominate this year - blowing out most of their opponents, they will be
ranked high at the end of the season (probably top 12 or so). Which will allow
them to be ranked in the top 10 to start next season - leading to them being
selected in the football playoffs. BYU will play in the national
championship game.As a result, Ute fans everywhere (except Chris B),
will cheer for BYU!It's gonna be amazing...
If I were Chris B, I'd steer clear of making any predictions. The last one
he made was Utah beating a lowly WCC St. Mary's in basketball. Just thought
I would offer some free timely advice.
BYU goes 8-4 with loses to Texas, UCF, USU, and Boise.USU goes 11-1
with a loss at Arkansas State and wins the MWC against Fresno.Utah
goes 6-6 with loses to Fresno, Michigan, UCLA, USC, Oregon, and Stanford.
If BYU runs the table -- which would be welcome and overdue -- it will not earn
a spot in the playoffs. BYU has to be more consistent at winning regularly,
especially big-time games.
Texas, Boise, Utah State will be losses and the rest are cup cake games. Very
mediocre year I predict.
Chris B . . .BYU 29USU 23UU 22A world apart.
Whit will be unemployed and and the Great Salt Lake will rise 2 feet due to all
the sobbing and blubbering. WAAAAAAaaaaaaaaBYU and USA will go
BYU toasts Texas, who still can't stop Hill. But BYU cannot deal with the
speed of Central Florida, despite being bigger at almost all positions, line and
@ Chris and ekute:Exactly how can you consider not going to any bowl
be the best bowl? I admire optimism, but you two are very unrealistic. Utah is
playing at least as tough a schedule as last year when they couldn't pull
off a winning record. And definitely tougher than the year before when they
couldn't then either. So it's very doubtful it will happen this year.
Utah will maintain a winning record for the first few weeks and then
it's downhill rather quickly. Chris will then become very quiet, just like
he did through parts of last season. We all know the history of
Chris's predictions. They usually give many of us our best laugh of the
week as they are usually very wrong. That's not meant as a put-down.
It's just a simple fact. He made very similar predictions for
Utah the past 2 seasons and we all know how those turned out. Not so good. This
year, ekute is buying into the hype for reasons unknown and unsubstantiated. I'm just happy for Chris, ekute and their families that they
doesn't live in Las Vegas where gambling is legal.
USU wins MWCBYU goes 10-2 but beats UT (that's Texas for those
Narcissistic Utes). CFU is their toughest game this year. Houston will not be a
pushover and neither will Utah State.Utah, though I truly
wouldn't mind to see them do well, don't go bowling for 3rd straight
year. You can argue their superiority (maybe) over BYU and USU but that
won't get them to 6 W's. Utes should be careful to not overlook
Colorado or Fresno for that matter. Both those teams will beat an opponent at
least as good as Utah this year.
the u will go 5-7 this year IF they can get by Fresno State.With Fresno,s 1st 3
games being USC,utah and Nebraska you can bet they will come into SLC thinking
their best shot at a win in the 1st 3 games is against the u .Fresno has been a
better team than Boise State in the last several years and we all know how the u
has fared against Boise State in the last 4-5 games that they have played. Lets
just say it has been pretty much an automatic for the pony,s and most of the
games haven't been close.Fresno will win a close one and put the u in their
annual tailspin.Mark it down !
I have to disagree with patriot on this one. BYU is due for an exceptional
season. They have the right players, a refined offensive playbook and the
schedule to allow that to happen... and it will. A similar
prediction for USU... if Keeton stays healthy. Utah will suffer
through another losing season... almost identical to last year's record.
Their SOS this season won't allow anything better than that.
If Utah goes 8-4, it will be the most successful season its ever had, arguably
better than 2004 UoU and 1984 BYU. But Utah won't. it will be fortunate to
go 6-6. Michigan, UofA, ASU, WSU, OSU and Colorado are all,optimistically, 50/50
games. If UoU loses 2 of them...it's over-even with another 2013
Stanfordian win. I wish them well.BYU--who cares? USU and Texas are
the only interesting games. This is a USU--Big question mark with a
new secondary and offensive line. I think people are giving USU too much hype.
Love to see them go 11-2. Realistically would be happy with 8-3. Best game of the season? BYU v USU. Two well-matched teams, history,
Im imagine, head to head it would be, Utah > USU > BYU this year.
However the overall records will reflect: BYU > USU > UoU.I
don't expect USU to be as good on defense or the O-line this year. Which
will make it tough to control the clock/turnovers with Tennessee, and make them
vulnerable to letdowns against good teams like BYU, BSU and CSU. An
overachieving season 11-1. Great season 9-3. Likely, 8-4. BYU will
not improve over last year because its O-line and D-line haven't improved.
Linebackers may be worse. Schedule will hide that. 11-2. UoU--it may
be nobody can see the improvement / regression inside a very, very good PAC12.
Can we all agree that an 8-4 UoU season would be the best season ever for any
team from the state of Utah?
Predictions:BYU - 11-2, bowl win, #16 in final poll - losses Texas,
UCFUSU - 10-3, bowl win, #23 in final poll - losses Tennessee, BYU,
Boise StateUtah - 4-8, home for the holidays - wins Idaho St, Fresno
St, Washington St, Colorado
pleblian"Michigan, UofA, ASU, WSU, OSU and Colorado are
all,optimistically, 50/50 games."You're dreaming! ASU is
going to walk all over Utah as they have since 1978.
Chris B"Utah will go 7-5"Still waiting for your
bold prediction of which 7 teams Utah is going to beat in 2014 - come on Chris,
show some guts and give us names.
taylormade,We're still waiting on your media member back east
who said byU would be included in some way with the big boys within 4 years.
You shouldn't have a problem with us evaluating his credibility. Your silence is deafening!
CougarSunDevilpleblian obviously thinks the Utes will be facing the
same 3-9 Michigan team they faced the last time they visited the Big House.Utah fans are in for a rude awakening to reality.Of
Michigan, UofA, ASU, WSU, OSU and Colorado, Michigan, ASU and OSU are near
certain losses, the Utes have a slight chance of beating Arizona or WSU, but not
both, and Colorado could pull off the upset - 1-5 is likely, with an outside
chance at 2-4.
Chris B,We're still waiting on your list of 7 opponents that
you think the Utes are capable of beating this season, so we can evaluate your
credibility.Your silence is deafening!
Chris b, Not going to give "inside" info. until there is something
concrete. However how about our boy Tim Brando ( espn,cbs and fox sports big
boy) going on record and stating that BYU,s schedule is just good enough that IF
they were to run the table this year they would definitely be the fly in the
ointment for the college playoffs this year !That is awesome from a big time
sports caster like Tim Brando to backup the Y. My suggestion to you would be to
wait no longer to jump on the COUGAR bus because it is starting to roll ! I also
will go on record and predict that BYU will be mentioned in the college football
playoffs long before the u gets a sniff.Mark it down.
Hmmm there are some pretty good predictions on here. Here's my take:Utah: 6-6 (lose to ASU, USC, Wazzou, Oregon, Stanford, Michigan)BYU: 10-2 (2 losses out of UCF, Texas, Boise, USU)USU: 11-2 (2 losses
out of Tennessee, BYU, Boise, Ark. St)
Utah goes 6-6, 7-5 or 8-4 this year dependent upon injuries (see previous posts
for list).KW is still HC at Utah."Cougartown" laments once
more at the rise of the Utes."3. No Pac-12 coach will be fired
at season's end: The coaching carousel will hit the skids for at least one
season. There are really only two Pac-12 coaches with seats above frosty,
Cal's Sonny Dykes and Utah's Kyle Whittingham, and their temperature
is tepid at best. If neither coach shows significant improvement in 2014 (that
probably means a bowl game for Utah and at least a few FBS wins for Cal), then
we won't make this declaration for 2015. But unless either really, really
bombs, they'll be given another shot next season. And the Pac-12 blog
doesn't think either will really, really bomb."
KYUte6-6 - very slim chance7-5 - if Utah catches every single
break8-4 - only in your wildest crimson-colored dreamsmost
likely finish - 5-7, with a decent chance of 4-8BYU - 11-2USU
pleblianYour analysis is laughable, to say the least.I'm not sure which team you've been studying during fall camp, but
it obviously wasn't BYU.BYU's O-line, D-line and Defensive
Backs will be vastly improved, and BYU's Linebackers will be just as solid
as last year.And calling Michigan and ASU 50/50 games shows just how
little you know about Utah. Both of those games will be over by half-time and
the Utes will be busy checking dinner reservations.
@ pleblian:You've made some of the worst predictions and most
unsubstantiated claims on this site. Your ultra-bias cost you all credibility
just halfway through your first comment. Just because you don't care about
BYU, don't kid yourself about them not having the largest following in the
intermountain area. ESPN is about as informed and knowledgeable as
anyone when it comes to both sports and business. They drew on both areas of
expertise before deciding to give BYU such a long contract with them. Their
actions speak volumes more than your simple opinion. You can
imagine all you want when it comes to guessing who is the best of the 3 main
colleges in Utah. But that's as far as what your imaginings will go.
Knowledgeable football pundits (coaches and sports writers) chose BYU best,
followed by USU with Utah once again dragging up the rear in all preseason
polls. Similar to ESPN, I'd put their guesses heads and tails over yours.
What would you say gives you any credibility over those groups?The
overall records you predicted are the only thing close to reality. You
should've stopped there.
plebianASU... optimistically, a 50/50 game?You're
joking, right?When was the last time Utah beat a ranked PAC 12
opponent on the road?Seriously, you need to stay away from the red
koolaid, because the Utes have absolutely no chance of beating a ranked ASU team
in Sun Devil Stadium.
byu fans' comments go to show that they are completely fine with their team
remaining as a non-P5 player. They thoroughly enjoy the hollow victories and
meaningless bowl games. If I were a byu fan, I would be anything but pleased
with this years' schedule, and boycott the home games in November entirely.
Lucky for me, the team I support has something meaningful to play
for, and will be tested every step of the way. They may only win half of their
games, but at least it will be among the very best teams college football has to
offer. To USU fans: Good luck with your season. The Aggies look like
they will be a tough team, and have a real shot at making some national noise
starting next Sunday in Tennessee (NOT at Johnny Red Floyd Stadium in
Murfreesboro either, byu fans).
Interesting insights into the teams' fans:100% of fan vote picked a
Utah State win over Idaho State (all USU fans?).98% picked a BYU win over
Savannah State (really?, must be some Ute ringer votes here).96% picked a
Utah win over Idaho State. Is there really any way Utah can lose this game?
Utah finishes 5-7 to 7-5.Utah State finishes 8-4 to 10-2.BYU finishes 7-5 to 9-3.
We will win all our games unless the refs make us loose or if we beat ourselfs.
We are the best team on the field everytime.
Chris B's recent predictions include utah making a bowl game in 2013 and
beating St. Mary's in the NIT.I don't think we need
anything else to prove that his opinion is likely to be wrong.
Hmm?UCONN lost by just three points to Michigan.Utah
will lose to Michigan by a larger margin.BYU will beat Uconn by
twenty four or more.Analyzing this data, BYU is the better team
over the utes.
Prediction: Utah will surprise a lot of people by going 8-4,
including an upset of Oregon at home. Having two healthy quarterbacks go a long
way in stabilizing the Utes over the course of the season.USU will
go 10-2, including an impressive victory over BYU in Provo. Keeton will go
wild, leaving the BYU defense clueless as to how to contain him.BYU
also goes 10-2, with their two losses to Texas and Utah State, the only decent
teams on their schedule.At the end of the season the BYU fan base
will be crowing how their team got more victories than Utah and therefore must
be the better team. They will totally ignore the fact that they played the 73rd
"hardest" schedule in the country according to college football analyst
Phil Steele, with no teams ranked in the top 25, while Utah played the 8th most
difficult schedules in college football, including 5 teams in the top 25.
@KYUte""Cougartown" laments once more at the rise of the
Utes."What rise? Are you talking about the one in
your dreams where utah wins 8 games this season?Or the one in
reality where utah has gone from 4-5 to 3-6 to 2-7 in Pac-12 play? Call me
crazy, but that looks more like a fall to me. All the talk that utah is going to
get better with more money and better recruiting and more experience in the
conference has already been proven wrong.utah's best season
came with Mountain West players, Mountain West money, and Mountain West
experience. They have gotten progressively worse as the "Pac-12
recruiting" and "Pac-12 money" and "Pac-12 experience" have
come into play.I don't see much of a rise this year, and
neither do any of the national experts. Only utah fans see improvement.Please let me know where 8 wins will come from, because I see Michigan,
Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, and USC as nearly automatic losses.In a few
months, think back to the comment you made today. I guarantee it will be wrong.
Sorry folks, I must have had a "temporary moment." On my previous post
i meat to write 4/8 for Utah, not 4/4! Although 4/4 is not a losing season.
@ taylormade1The selection committee has said it will weigh conf.
championships and SOS heavily when they make their selections. The playoffs are
meant to keep the power and money within the P5 conferences. If you think a G5
team, who only played 3 P5 teams, has a prayer to be considered for the playoffs
in the first year of its existence, then I have some beach front property in
Montana that I would like to sell you....
how much do you want for that beach front property? I'd love to be
surrounded by such magnificent mountains and the ocean.
2ff,Let us talk in a couple of months and see who is closest to being
correct ! Cheers !
2fer"The selection committee has said it will weigh conf.
championships and SOS heavily when they make their selections. The playoffs are
meant to keep the power and money within the P5 conferences."Nope, the playoffs are meant to match the four best teams, regardless of
conference affiliation, to determine a true national champion.The
committee has been given suggested guidelines for what to consider, but each
individual committee member is free to use whatever criteria he/she feels is
appropriate in making their decision.Bottom line, anybody who claims
to "know" the exact criteria that the committee will use in choosing the
four playoff teams is simply blowing smoke, because the truth is, they
don't have a clue.
@ worf:Really? Was that a serious post? Using "data" to come
to a weak conclusion of why byu is better than Utah. News flash for you: Utah
and byu played last year. Utah beat byu by a touchdown on byu's home field,
and that was after byu had a bye week to prepare for the game! Combine that win
with the three in a row preceding it, and anyone living in reality comes to the
conclusion that Utah is the better team.
@SambonethegreatI'm not sure how you have the utes beating top
10 ranked UCLA in the Rose Bowl. Better mark them down for 5-7.
2ff,Tim Brando is way more in touch with the college football landscape
than your person predictions might be. I chose to go with a proven
My predictions...Ute season ticket holders will get an additional
discount on couches and TVs on Black Friday at RC Willey.BYU will
win 9 or betterUSU will rock the MWC.
Utah 6-6 or 7-5: * Most likely to least likely wins: ISU, @CU, FSU,
WSU, UA * Need 1-2 of the following: @OSU, @MI, USC * Loses: Oregon,
@Stanford, @ASU, @UCLAUnfortunately, we'll have to wait until
next week to see if Utah's offense has improved as advertised.Go UTES!
BYU 11-2 overall6-0 home4-2 away 1-0 Neutral(bowl game)
BYU has plenty of talent coming back and a lot of nice incoming
talent that will contribute this season. I think 11-2 and a top 25 finish would
be a successful season.Utah5-7 Overall4-2 home1-5
awayUtah is gonna struggle again, they don't have the QB to compete
with the better teams in the PAC 12. They could even end up 4-8, Colorado seems
to always play them tough and could beat them at the end of the year.USU10-3 overallHome 6-0Away 4-3USU will win the
games they are suppose too but they will struggle on the road against the better
teams. Losses to Tenn,BYU and BSU.
@PAC manNope, the playoffs are meant to match the four best teams,
regardless of conference affiliation, to determine a true national champion.-----------Nope. Depending on what weight is given to each
criteria below, BYU already doesn't meet the first two criteria.Here's the criteria committee members will use in selecting the four
teams that will play for the national championship under the new system: "As it announced the inaugural selection committee Wednesday
afternoon, the College Football Playoff also unveiled the criteria the 13
members will use:* Conference championships won* Strength of
schedule* Head-to-head competition* Comparative outcomes of common
opponents (without incenting margin of victory)* Relevant factors such as
key injuries that may have affected a team's performanceSource:
Playoff committee's selection criteria will be flexible, complex (USA
Wow...I didn't realize Utah's defense had fallen on such hard and lean
times. They're Defensive MVP choice was between Nate Orchard and Brian
Blechen? We've been hearing for years how great they are yet they
haven't really delivered much on the field to back that up. I think there
are a number of other players who will prove themselves to be much more valuable
on D and will actually do something on the field to support that notion. How
about Eric Rowe, Tevin Carter or Jacoby Hale for starters?
@ taylormade1 and PAC manThe P5 teams are clearly trying to widen
the gap between themselves and the rest of the teams. You don't need to be
a sportscaster to see it happening. It's naive (putting it nicely) to
think that a team with BYU's resume will be considered for the playoffs.
They don't care about finding one true champion. They care about making as
much money as possible, while keeping it "in house." Nothing wrong with
being optimistic, but don't lose touch with reality.
@taylormade1Actually, from what I could find Tim Brando said ECU,
Colorado State, BYU,and Bowling Green were possible "playoff busters".
@pleblian"Michigan, UofA, ASU, WSU, OSU and Colorado are
all,optimistically, 50/50 games."---------------UofA
is a 50-50 game and so is Colorado, and Fresno St for that matter. Everything
else is either a guaranteed loss or a very highly probable loss. Utah faces likely NFL QB's at Michigan, Oregon St, Oregon, Stanford,
UCLA, ASU, WSU and possibly USC. Those games are almost all in a row too. Once
the losing starts at Michigan it could be a very long stretch before they get
another win (AZ or Colorado). Utah could very likely lose 7-8 straight. There are not very many 50-50 games and how often do they pull out a
"Stanford" game compared to a "Colorado 2011" game (or UNLV)
USU will have a nice season in the MWC and will battle Boise St for supremacy in
a down year for the conference. BYU will win 10+ and get into the
top 25 by season's end.As for Utah, there's a reason Vegas
put the over/under on wins for them at 4.5, they face an 8 game stretch starting
with Devin GArdner and Michigan where every QB they face has NFL potential and
NFL athleticism including more than one Heisman candidate (Oregon and UCLA).
Utah has a very strong chance of losing all 8 in a row. The biggest question
will be if Whitt survives to finish the season or if there's an interim HC
to lead them against Colorado.Take the under if you're smart,
we've already seen what Travis Wilson has to offer.
@GoRed"USU will go 10-2, including an impressive victory over BYU in
Provo. Keeton will go wild, leaving the BYU defense clueless as to how to
contain him."--------------For his career vs BYU,
Keeton is a sub 50% passer and avgs 23 yds rushing. Not much of a duel threat
and he's 0-3 vs BYU. Sort of like how Utah has BYU's number, the same
hold's true for BYU vs Utah St. I know he gives Utah's defense fits
and has repeatedly torched them during his career, but he has been
"clueless" against BYU and has yet to figure out how to be effective vs
the Cougars. USU only returns 6 starters on offense and defense. BYU
hasn't lost at home to Utah St in decades. The streak will continue.
Utah actually has a chance to beat Michigan. Michigan's defense is great,
but their offense is not solid this year, especially at QB. Utah also has a
lesser chance to beat USC because it is at Utah. So, Utah might be at 6+ wins
this year as long as they don't get upset on the games they should win.BYU might run the table, but Texas is the 2nd game of the season (BYU
usually takes a few games to play its best) and will be looking for revenge. UCF
has a great defense which BYU will only beat through the air and we don't
know how good they are at passing yet. Since the USU game is at BYU, then BYU
gets the nod, but it could be a close one.USU will only be
challenged at away games at Tennessee, BYU and Boise State who are all favored
by the odds makers (bettors) to beat USU. I think Chuckie is 100% and wins 2 of
those 3 (most likely losing at BYU).
Wouldn't be suprised to see BYU at 11-1. I would be suprised if USU looses
3 games. Utah I think they have a chance to get 6 wins if they can get by
Michigan. I don't see it as a toss-up, maybe 55/45 for Michigan (at
Michigan) If they loose to Michigan, only 5 wins. There won't be a Stanford
type game this year. Utah will play many close games. Defense will be good but
not really good. Don't think they have enough horses on offense. Drez is
great. Running backs have potential but......I don't expect anyone to be
outstanding like last year. I don't think they will be running down hill.
That league is really good. I think they are cannon fodder again. Whit is very
excited about his class this year, they will be better next year and get six
wins and a bowl game, maybe. They will get six wins though.Jeff
My prediction - some of the Y fans will spend more time obsessing about how
'poorly' Utah will do than watching their own team. Utes
will find a way to win 6 games this year and make it to a bowl. BYU has only 3
to 4 challenging games and will end up with 10 wins. USU, despite a great year
from Chuckie, will lose a game or two they should win but still challenge for
the conference championship.Bottom line is everyone is an expert
right now and in reality no one knows how the season will play out.
BYU (if they stay healthy)- 10 - 2 , 11 - 2 with a bowl win, we will win one
we should lose, and lose one we should win. If Hill goes down early, 8 - 4, 9 -
4 with bowl win.Utah (what a monster schedule, if they stay healthy)
7 - 5, 8 - 5 with a bowl win, they could be the best improved, biggest surprise
in the PAC12. If they are plagued with injuries again, 4 - 8 and home for the
holidays.Utah State (most overrated in MWC) 8 - 4, 8 - 5 with a bowl
The reality is that we don't really have a good idea of how good or bad any
of these teams are. That's why I dislike preseason polls. We've seen
top ranked teams in the preseason finished unranked in the past as well as teams
exceed every expectation. And those preseason polls have the tendency to make it
very difficult for lower ranked teams to move up ahead of teams with 1-2 losses.
I think it's reasonable to see all 3 teams make bowl games this
year. If all 3 teams are essentially of the same quality as last
year, then the predictions of USU and BYU having 9+ win seasons is very
realistic, as is the prediction of a sub-500 season for the U. That said, we
won't have a good idea until game 4. I won't be surprised if all 3 end
up in bowl games.
My prediction for Utah is 6-6 but they could go 7-5. Utah loses @ UCLA, @ASU,
Oregon, and @Stanford. Utah beats Idaho State and Fresno State. Utah gets a
split in games 3 and 4, beating either Michigan or Washington State. Same goes
for games 6 and 7, a win comes against either USC or Oregon State. After losing
the toughest stretch mentioned in the beginning, Utah then beats Arizona and
Colorado to finish the season. Because of PAC 12 bowl ties, Utah makes the best
bowl of the teams in state by going 6-6 unless BYU runs the table. Utah then
wins their bowl game and has a winning season against one of the toughest
schedules in the country. Too bad Utah can't face BYU in Miami (no bowl tie
in) because that would make for sweet irony.
@BigCougar,I like the way you think, I hope the BYU team follows your
logic. Chuckie played just one quarter last year against BYU. No threat at
Last Year:Utah > BYU > USU > WSUThis
Year:Utah > BYU > USU > WSUThe more things
change; the more they stay the same.
@gdog3finallyThat would be nice to see. However, it has been
predetermined that BYU will play in the Miami Beach Bowl against the champion
from region 2: probably Cottonwood!
CO Ute"My prediction - some of the Y fans will spend more time
obsessing about how 'poorly' Utah will do than watching their own
team."Really? I see an awful lot of ute fans posting all over
BYU articles. A couple of them always beat any BYU fans to the punch on
commenting. Most articles, 75% of the first 10-20 posts are from ute fans. Not
so on the ute articles. The obsession is reverse.
My predictions for the Uteys have been prefect the last two years. So, here is
the FACT, write it down, bet the ranch. The Uteys will go 4-8, KW will be fired.
The only reason the Uteys had two good seasons EVER, is ANDERSON, he's in
Madison Wisconsin and KW will be at Weber St soon. The Ute fans will be wishing
they were in the MWC soon. Hey, you will start 2-0 and will be talking ROSE BOWL
until game three.
I hope to see all the teams do well. What some of the fans here don't
understand is that all three of these programs are linked by association
(especially BYU and Utah). We want Utah to be a strong football state...that
means having all strong programs. That makes the others look good as well.Having said that, I do think it is funny how the fan predictions for BYU
and USU were super high, but for UofU it was lower. Looks like Utah fans are
getting a little discouraged. That would explain all the "strength of
schedule" talk. That is their preemptive strike...an excuse in advance for
poor performance.Good luck Utes. I hope to see Utah do well in the
PAC 12, BYU do well as independent and TCU do well in Big 12 because right now
it looks to the world like all their previous success was only possible because
they were in weaker conferences. College football is a lot more fun when it is
not just about what conference you are in and how much money you have.
UteologyFrom the official Collegiate Football Playoff website:The Best Four Teams"The selection committee will choose
the four teams for the playoff based on strength of schedule, head-head results,
comparison of results against common opponents, championships won and other
factors."(It's a bulleted list, not a numbered list - try
to understand the difference.)Universal Access"Every
FBS team has equal access to the playoff based on its performance. No team will
I just have to say that is exceedingly generous to BYU and Utah State. I hope as
a fan that those predictions are correct. I just don't see it. What is up with the PAC-12 blinders on the Heisman and the NC? Not gonna
happen folks. I am not dissing the PAC-12 either. They are strong, but not
stronger than the SEC and only marginally stronger than the ACC.
Doesn't matter what our record is when our schedule is so bad.The BYU home schedule is just brutal.
Spokane UteSorry to burst your crimson-colored bubble, but this will
be the actual order of finish in 2014:BYU > USU > Utah >
Weber StSagarin Pre-Season#35 BYU#48 Utah#51
USU#192 Weber StReal Time RPI NCAA Men's Football - Team
Power Rankings (2014-2015)#39 BYU#42 USU#48 Utah#233
Weber StPre-Season AP Poll#44 BYU#50 USUno votes
Utah, Weber StPre-Season Coaches Poll#38 BYUno votes
Utah, Utah St, Weber StNOBODY outside of the crimson bubble has Utah
ranked ahead of BYU.
uteology, You are exactly right. So much for your personal theory that non
p5 conference schools are locked out of the playoff system ! Please mark it down
and remember that you heard it from me, The Y will be mentioned in the college
football payoffs long before the u in ever mentioned even being in the pac12
.The u really does have an impossible schedule this year i will agree. Cheers !
@PAC manNice analysis. But reality is that there will be two SEC teams +
Ohio State + Florida State in the playoffsPAC12 will get screwed
because nobody will play a PAC-12 slate unbeaten. So they'll get passed
over. Big 12 because they don't have a conf championship game.BYU will never be considered for a 4-team playoff unless unbeaten twice in a
row. That won't ever happen. BYU should have an opportunity for a New
Year's Day bowl if unbeaten. The AAC contract gives BYU an out if they can
get a better bowl.My pics this year:BYU 11-1. The loss will be
to UCF, Houston, or Nevada. They'll beat Texas. The loss will be an upset.
It won't be to USU.Utah: 4 wins is probably about right. Their
schedule is brutal and they won't survive it. USU: ? no idea. I
don't follow them. But good luck anyway.Washington: They miss
USC but get UCLA, ASU, AZ, Stanford, and Oregon. Two of those will be losses.
They don't play Utah. UW might meet USC in PAC-12 playoff. UW OOC is weak,
so wins there.
BlueHuskyYou could be right, but I have serious doubts about Ohio
State even finishing in the Top 10 after the loss of Braxton Miller.As far as two teams from the SEC and the PAC 12 and Big 12 being shut out, the
more that happens, the quicker we'll get to an 8-team playoff, which is
what most fans want anyway.
GandalphSince when does the preseason rankings match the final
rankings? Umm, let's see....Never. Sorry to burst your blue bubble; but
your crystal ball has a crack in it. I guess we shall see, but if you actually
think the pre-season ranking are going to match the final rankings; you are very
Spokane UteSince when do the biased opinions crimson-colored glasses
wearers trump pre-season rankings?Of course, you don't have any
problem bringing up even less relevant comparisons, like previous season
rankings and results.
UtenoymousSo last season's final rankings and head to head
results are "less relevant"? I guess we can agree to disagree, as usual.
Again, congrats on your preseason rankings; I prefer to revisit this at
season's end. As far as biased opinions go; I take that with a grain of
salt Black Kettle.
Spokane Ute"So last season's final rankings and head to
head results are "less relevant"?"They're certainly
less relevant than this season's projected results.If
Utah's 5-7, bowl less season in 2013 were an indication of Utah's
final result for 2014, why are Utah fan's predicting that Utah will have
better results in 2014, especially when Utah is supposedly playing a tougher
schedule in 2014.Your inconsistency is laughable.
@ taylormade1I honestly feel bad for you if you really believe that
all FBS teams have equal access to the playoffs.
Uteanymous spewed:"Your inconsistency is laughable."-----As is your hatred. Actually it's quite sad and pathetic. You
can hope and pray for Utah's demise; as you always do. I know that's
your MO. I on the other hand remain opticmistic that the Utes will have a good
season. Four years to adjust to the PAC 12 and add to the depth of the roster. I
know that really upsets you when a Utah fan actually supports his team, but
that's what I will continue to do. Hate On Fella.
Spokane UteWe all know that you're desperately trying to cling
to the only thing Utah has accomplished since joining the PAC 12 - beating BYU -
but the truth is, BYU is once again surpassing Utah in overall results and it
grinds at you to have to admit that.Despite Utah's narrow one
place finish ahead of BYU in the final Sagarin rankings for 2013, it's
clear that even Sagarin considers BYU to be the better team as the 2014 season
is about to begin.btw, why is it taking Utah "Four years to
adjust to the PAC 12 and add to the depth of the roster", when Utah fans
like you were claiming way back in 2008 that Utah could already compete with
anybody?It's interesting how you think that Utah fans should be
allowed to be optimistic about the coming season, but BYU fans should not.
Lonestarunner,Desperately cling? Now that's funny right there.
The Sun Bowl victory and beating Stanford last year far, far exceed beating
unranked BYU; over, and over, and over again. I just find it so comimical how
BYU fans bust on Utah for having trouble in the PAC 12, when they them selfs
can't beat Utah. That would be like me busting on USC or ASU. Do you
honestly think BYU would be doing any better in the PAC 12? When did I ever say
BYU shouldn't be optimistic about there season? You have no idea what my
position was in 2008. Please don't pretend like you do; it only damages
your credibility. Not that there's much of that anyway. Unfortunately for
BYU, they will end up in the Miami Beach Bowl whether they win 6, or 12 games.
That's the down side of being an independent.
Spokane Ute"The Sun Bowl victory and beating Stanford last year
far, far exceed beating unranked BYU..."Don't kid yourself.
Utah's 2011 victory over a mediocre Georgia Tech team was no more
meaningful than BYU's much more convincing victories over the same team in
2012 and 2013.Utah's upset win over Stanford would have been a
lot more meaningful if you hadn't stuck it up against Washington State a
few weeks later to ruin your chances to qualify for a bowl.No, as
much as Utah fans like to pretend that beating BYU is no big deal to them,
beating BYU is by far the number accomplishment Utah fans have talked about
since joining the PAC 12.--------------Can't beat
Utah?BYU beat Utah 3 out of 4 seasons from 2006 to 2009. The fact
that Utah has managed to win three very close 1-, 3-, and 7-point games since
then hardly proves that BYU can't beat Utah.
"Do you honestly think BYU would be doing any better in the PAC 12?"YES!Since 1972, BYU has historically played better in
conference than Utah - 23 WAC/MWC championships vs 6 is proof of that.During the Bronco/Kyle era, Bronco was undefeated versus MWC conference
bottom dwellers Wyo, CSU, NM, and UNLV; Kyle lost to all of them.Bronco's average MWC finish: 2.0 (2,1,1,3,2,3)Kyle's average
MWC finish: 2.67 (4,3,3,1,3,2)
LonestarRunnerSalt Lake City, UTSpokane UteWe all
know that you're desperately trying to cling to the only thing Utah has
accomplished since joining the PAC 12 - beating BYU.-----------------How about going 6-5 vs P5 teams in season one
(BYU is 5-11 in 3 year) to a Sun Bowl win and a 8-5 record which was the 4th
best record in PAC-12 overall?The win over #10 Stanford was hands
down the best win by any team in the state since Utah throttled #6 Alabama.I would even argue that Star being awarded the Morris Trophy is even a
bigger accomplishment than our annual win over BYU.
Deductive reasoningCan you at least provide something of substance
to prove your point? "BYU beat Utah 2 out of 3 times from 2006-2009".
Really? That's all you have? That's sad. MWC finishes from 1972? What
in the world does that have to do with the current PAC 12? What a horrible and
feeble attempt to debate. UteologySpot on as usual Bro!
UteologyYour constant hiding behind labels as proof of this and that
is laughable.True, Utah managed to pull off a skin of your teeth
upset of highly ranked Stanford - not exactly the first time an inferior team
has managed to spring an upset on a far superior team.BYU, on the
other hand, throttled a Texas team that finished tied for 2nd in the Big 12, and
in the process, rolled up more yards rushing against the Longhorns, 550 yards,
than any other opponent in Texas history - more than Oklahoma, more than
Nebraska, more than Texas A&M.Think about that for a moment -
the most yards EVER given up by Texas against ANY team, ANY where, ANY time.----------Star winning the Morris Trophy is a nice honor.
Call us when a Utah player wins Utah's first national
deductive reasoningArlington, VA"Do you honestly think BYU
would be doing any better in the PAC 12?"YES!Since
1972, BYU has historically played better in conference than Utah -23
WAC/MWC championships vs 6 is proof of that.-------------------Just in the WAC, under Edwards and Chow. Not in the MWC.In
the MWC, Utah finished with a better record 7 times (BYU 5)More
importantly: * Utah had 4 titles (Fiesta and Sugar)* BYU had 4
titles (Quest t-shirts and Airport Celebration for a 1-0 Team)
My best case (within reason), worst case (within reason, barring any significant
injuries or other crazy things happening), and actual prediction for all 3 for
regular season (with games I think are most likely to be the losses or wins):BYU Best Case: 12-0BYU Prediction: 10-2, Losses to Texas and
UCFBYU Worst Case: 7-5, losses to Texas, Houston, USU, UCF, and Boise
StateToughest Game: TexasUSU Best Case: 13-0USU
Prediction: 10-3, Losses to Tennessee, BYU, and Boise StateUSU Worst Case:
8-5, Losses to Tennessee, BYU, CSU, Boise State, and one "wild card"Toughest Game: BYUUtah Best Case: 8-4, losses to UCLA, USC,
Oregon, and StanfordUtah Prediction: 5-7, wins over Idaho State, Fresno
State, Washington State, Colorado, and ArizonaUtah Worst Case: 3-9, wins
over Idaho State, Fresno State, and Colorado Toughest Game: OregonGood Luck to all 3. Go Cougars!
Deductive ResoningLet me help you out; as you appear to be
struggling. Utah has been in the PAC 12 for three years. During that time frame
BYU has went 2-5 vs. the PAC 12. Their wins were in 2011 against last place
Washington State (1-8 in conf play) and Oregon State in 2012 (3-6 in conf play).
BYU has lost 3 straight to PAC 12 teams. I hope that helps.
Spokane UteGet your facts straight - BYU beat Utah 3 of 4 times from
2006 to 2009, and in the process, had TWICE as many AP Top 25 finishes, THREE
times more 11+ win seasons, and TWICE as many conference championships as Utah
has had during the entire Bronco/Kyle era.
UteologyHere are some facts your crimson-colored goggles blinded you
from seeing.2013 - versus P5 teamsBYU 2-5(29%)Utah
2-7(22%)BYU qualified for a bowl playing the #38 SOS; Utah has never
qualified for a bowl playing a Top 40 SOS.2012 - versus ranked
teamsBYU 1-5(20%)Utah 0-2(0%)BYU qualified for a bowl
after playing 5 ranked teams, most on the road; Utah failed to qualify for a
bowl after only playing 2 ranked teams.2011 - bowls#25/#26 BYU
beat #41 Tulsa(8-5) in the Armed Forces Bowl to move UP from #41 to #34 in
Sagarin.unranked Utah beat #56 Georgia Tech(8-5) in the Sun Bowl and
DROPPED from #38 to #39 in Sagarin.Obviously, Sagarin wasn't
all that impressed with Utah's bowl win over a P5.btw, BYU
stomped Georgia Tech 41-17 on the road and 38-20 at home the next two seasons.
Spokane Ute"Do you honestly think BYU would be doing any better
in the PAC 12?"Here's your "substance":Since joining the PAC 12, Utah is 4-5, 3-6, 2-7, 9-18(33%) overallVersus the PAC 12 during the Bronco/Kyle eraBronco is 9-9(50%),
with wins over Washington and OregonKyle is 13-21(38%), winless versus
Washington and OregonIt's obvious which coach and team have
done better versus PAC 12 teams.
Spokane UteHe did provide something of substance to prove his
point?He provided a summary of BYU's and Utah's conference
records over the last 40 years and during the Bronco/Kyle era that proves that
BYU has outperformed Utah, substantially, in conference play.Even
when Utah was pulling out a slight majority of narrow victories head-to-head,
BYU was still finishing higher in the conferenceAverage finish BYU
2.0 with 2 championships; Utah 2.67 with 1 championships.What kind
of "substance" were you looking for?
@deductive reasoningSince 1972, BYU has historically played better
in conference than Utah -23 WAC/MWC championships vs 6 is proof of
that.-----------------Why don't you look at the
entire MWC history not just over Kyle/Bronco era?MWC Standings:* Utah (2.83): 1, 6, 3, 5, 1, 1, 4, 3, 3, 1, 3, 2 * BYU (2.83): 2,
4, 1, 7, 6, 3, 2, 1, 1, 3, 1, 3And that's with 2010 ranking BYU
5-3 (7-6) equal to 5-3 (9-4) SDSU and AF at #3 and not #5 as they were clearly
the 5th best team in the league that year. If you rank them #5 in 2010 then the
average standing becomes 3.0 for BYU.Regardless, the difference:* Utah finished with a better record 7 times vs 5 for BYU * Utah 4
titles (Fiesta and Sugar) vs BYU 4 titles (Bowl Diddley)* Utah 9-3 vs
BYUFYI... Beating #56 Georgia Tech in the Sun Bowl is more
impressive than beating #66 San Diego State in Poinsettia Bowl. You would agree
@ DeepBlueYeah Oregon in 2006 is definitely comparable to the top 10
team they have today. And you realize that when BYU beat Washington they went
0-12. Pretty good "substance" you got there.
"BYU beat Utah 2 out of 3 times from 2006-2009"It's
interesting how you deliberately misquoted BYU's record to help you feel
better.-----------------Craig FrantzIt's laughable how Utah fans deliberately use small sample sizes to
distort records.Since you appear to be struggling picking a
representative sample, let me help.Bronco is 9-9(50%) versus PAC 12
teams; 9-6(60%) versus teams not named Utah.Kyle is 13-21(38%) versus PAC
12 teams; 9-18(33%) since joining the PAC.Versus the PAC 12 during
the Bronco/Kyle eraTeam - BYU; UtahWash - 2-1; 0-2WSU - 1-0;
2-1Ariz - 1-2; 1-2Oregon - 1-0; 0-2OSU - 2-1; 2-3UCLA -
2-1; 2-3Cal - 0-1; 2-1Of the seven common PAC 12 opponents BYU
and Utah have faced:BYU has a better record versus five -
Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, and UCLAUtah has a
better record versus one - CaliforniaBYU and Utah are tied versus one -
ArizonaHope that helps.
@CGTrue, Utah managed to pull off a skin of your teeth upset of
highly ranked Stanford - not exactly the first time an inferior team has managed
to spring an upset on a far superior team.BYU, on the other hand,
throttled a Texas team that finished tied for 2nd in the Big 12, and in the
process, rolled up more yards rushing against the Longhorns, 550 yards, than any
other opponent in Texas history - more than Oklahoma, more than Nebraska, more
than Texas A&M.Think about that for a moment - the most yards
EVER given up by Texas against ANY team, ANY where, ANY time.----------------Yes, an impressive win over what TEXAS
"fans" would describe as a mediocre team. Think about that for a
moment. Bottom line, final rankings:#10 Stanford#33 Texas
Uteology"In the MWC, Utah finished with a better record 7 times
(BYU 5)"Yet,BYU had FIVE AP Top 25 finishes, FOUR
11+ win seasons, and ONE national individual award winner.Utah had FOUR AP
Top 25 finishes, TWO 11+ win seasons, and ZERO national individual award
winners.The gap is even wider if you only consider the Bronco/Kyle
era.Bronco has had FOUR AP Top 25 finishes and THREE 11+ win
seasons.Kyle has had TWO AP Top 25 finishes and only ONE 11+ win
season.Besides Utah's twin flash in the pan seasons of 2004 and
2008, Utah has never had a 11+ win season.
@Marked it DownSagarin.unranked Utah beat #56 Georgia
Tech(8-5) in the Sun Bowl and DROPPED from #38 to #39 in Sagarin.Obviously, Sagarin wasn't all that impressed with Utah's bowl win
over a P5.------------I can say the same about your
ENTIRE 2013 schedule:2013 Sagarin Rankings:#33 Utah
5-7#34 BYU 8-5"BYU qualified for a bowl after playing 5
ranked teams, most on the road; Utah failed to qualify for a bowl after only
playing 2 ranked teams."Sorry but no team "qualifies"
for a bowl by playing ranked teams, you qualify for bowl by beating teams. You
beat ZERO ranked teams, 8 cupcakes.Utah accomplished your Quest by
beating 4 final ranked teams in one season, BYU has beat 3 final ranked teams in
UteologyMediocre Texas team or not, BYU still piled up more rushing
yards versus the Longhorns than any other opponent in Texas history.Utah did upset Stanford, but barely avoided losing on Stanford's final
offensive play of the game.BYU is 5-1 lifetime versus Texas and
Oklahoma combined, with BYU's only loss, a narrow one-pointer at Texas;
think about that for awhile.
Uteology"You beat ZERO ranked teams..."Nope, BYU
beat ONE ranked team in 2012; Utah beat ZERO!And the ranked team
that BYU beat, beat Utah.
UteologyI can say the same about your ENTIRE 2013 schedule:2013 Sagarin Rankings:#33 Utah 5-7#34 BYU 8-5WOW, beating your chest about a one-place higher finish in Sagarin while
spending bowl week on the couch watching BYU play in their 9th straight bowl
must have been so satisfying for you.At least BYU's regular
season record against the #38 SOS was good enough to qualify for a bowl,
something the Utes have never done versus a #40+ SOS.
@ Chamberlain"At least BYU's regular season record against
the #38 SOS was good enough to qualify for a bowl"BYU's SOS
wan't in the top 40 until it played UW in the bowl...
2ferAs we've heard ad nauseum from Utah fans, end of season
ranking are the only rankings that count.It's funny that Utah
fans won't count BYU's wins against #3 Oklahoma, #15 Texas, and #16
Oregon State, because they weren't ranked in the final poll, but now you
want to count BYU's pre-bowl SOS.btw, remind us what
Utah's SOS was before Utah played Pittsburgh in the Fiesta Bowl, the only
team Utah played in 2004 that finished with less than 5 losses.
@ UfanI'm not trying to count anything. Chamberlin said
""At least BYU's regular season record against the #38 SOS was good
enough to qualify for a bowl." That statement was false, BYU's bowl
opponent is what bumped BYU's sos to #38. I honestly don't understand
what your issue with that is.....
@ChamberlainWOW, beating your chest about a one-place higher finish
in Sagarin while spending bowl week on the couch watching BYU play in their 9th
straight bowl must have been so satisfying for you.-------------No. But beating #10 Stanford going 4-2 was pretty satisfying. After he
injured his passing hand, not so much (1-5).What bowl week?
It's more like bowl month. It was as satisfying for me as it was for you
seeing BYU getting THUMPED in yet another the bowl game.
@No playoff for UBesides Utah's twin flash in the pan seasons
of 2004 and 2008, Utah has never had a 11+ win season.------------How many times do you like being corrected?Utah has a 10-2 season where we finished #10 in the nation while your 11 win
teams never sniffed a top 10 finish.Bronco did try though, he begged
for a top 10 ranking after beating an overrated Oregon State team in Vegas. A
BYU team that got thumped at home by weak FSU team. Then the
following year he claimed BYU doesn't rebuild they reload, that year BYU
reloaded to a 7-6 season in the MWC.
ScottIt's pretty obvious; I'm comparing Utah vs.
BYU's record, since Utah has been in the PAC 12. It's a very simple
concept and one I hope you can grasp. What happened 40 years ago is totally
irrelanvent. Just like what Utah did in 2004 and 2008 is. BYU's winning %
is .29% vs. PAC 12 teams; since Utah has been a member. Their winning % vs. Utah
over that time period is .00%.
@ Deep Blue Thank you for proving my point. Let's summarize
this, shall we?Since Utah has been in the PAC 12.Utah 9-18,
.333%BYU 2-5, .286%Utah is 3-0 vs BYUTherein proves my point.
There's nothing statistically to prove that BYU would be doing any better
in the PAC 12 then Utah. They would actually be doing worse according to the
statistics. You can accept this inforation, or travel furhter back in time to
try to make the data fit your agenda, but the facts are the facts over the last
3 years. Neither team has done anything to write home about.
@PACMAN...."Nope, the playoffs are meant to match the four best teams,
regardless of conference affiliation, to determine a true national champion.The committee has been given suggested guidelines for what to consider,
but each individual committee member is free to use whatever criteria he/she
feels is appropriate in making their decision."Either way
don't matter the Cougies will not be anywhere near the playoff this year or
any year you can mark that down. If it makes you feel better though you can keep
wearing your qwest T-shirt until the annual loss to any even average team in
2bBYU will be in the playoff discussion long before the sorry, P5
Spokane UteYou left a couple of things out of your
"summary""Since Utah has been in the PAC 12..."Top 25 FinishesBYU 1USU 1Utah 0Bowl
GamesBYU 3USU 3Utah 1
Whatsnu, backpacn, and varous other clever screen names,You
don't suppose rankings and bowl games might have to do with the level of
competition do you? If you honestly think that USU and BYU would have performed
better than Utah in the PAC 12 you are delusional. The two schools are a
combined 1-4 vs. Utah over the last 3 years. At least USU has actually beat
Utah; which is more than BYU can say. That's right, I forgot, head to head
games are meaningless to BYU fans. BYU fans are the only fans I know that claim
to be better than their opponent, even when they lose to their opponent. What a
concept, you win even when you lose. I did notice after the Utah game last year
that all of the BYU fans were no where to be found. Now that's curious?
SpokaneUte"If you honestly think that USU and BYU would have
performed better than Utah in the PAC 12 you are delusional."I
don't think BYU would have lost a home game to 10-loss Colorado with a
gift-wrapped PAC 12 South title there for the taking.And as backpacn
has already summarized,of the seven common PAC 12 opponents BYU and
Utah have faced during the Bronco/Kyle era:Bronco has a better
record versus five - Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, and
UCLAKyle has a better record versus one - CaliforniaBronco and Kyle are tied versus one - ArizonaSo its not at all
unreasonable to predict that BYU could have done better in the PAC 12 than the
SpokaneUteWhat difference does it make if BYU played PAC 12 teams as
a member of the MWC or as an Independent during the Bronco/Kyle era?Except for the usual ups and downs every program experiences - some teams got
better, some teams got worse - none of those teams has changed in any
fundamental way during the past 9 seasons.
@ LonestarRunnerUW was 0-12 in 2008. You don't think their
program is dramatically different today? Same thing with Oregon. The 2006
model is a far cry from the perennial top 10 program they boast today....
2ferThe same argument could be made for the USC team BYU faced in
2003 and 2004, versus the team Utah has faced since 2011. It could also be make
about the Colorado team BYU faced in the 90's versus the team Utah has
faced since 2011.The point is, Utah's PAC 12 record has
steadily declined as the conference has improved since 2011 - 4-5, 3-6, 2-7.Since 2011, BYU is 2-2(50%) versus PAC 12 teams not named Utah.Since 2011, Utah is 9-18(33%) versus PAC 12 teams.Utah's only
advantage has been in the head-to-head matchup.Overall, BYU has been
Two For FlinchingBingo! Look how UCLA, ASU, Arizona and OSU have all
improved. LonestarUtah was 7-3 vs the PAC 10 leading up
to joining the conference. Look what they have done since. The PAC 12 has been
very strong the last 3 years. The recent numbers don't lie. Anyone who
thinks BYU would be performing any better than Utah is only kidding them self.
Some glaring statistics support this position; BYU is 2-5 vs the PAC 12 since
Utah joined the conference. None of the two wins have come against a team with a
winning record. They have lost 3 in row to PAC 12 schools, and 3 in a row to
Utah. Don't take Utah out of the equation to try and some how justify your
stance; that's weak sauce. You can attempt to go back in time to try and
support your argument; but recent history and statistics speak for them self.
FYI, last year Utah finished ranked higher and beat BYU; yet BYU would have
performed better in the conference? Yeah, right!
SpokaneUte"The PAC 12 has been very strong the last 3
years."Nope, the PAC 12, especially the PAC 12 South, was
extremely weak in 2011, yet even then, the Utes couldn't get by the lowly
10-loss Buffs to claim a division in which the only team besides Utah that
finished with a winning record was on probation.BYU wouldn't
have lost to the Buffs and BYU did finish in the Top 25, so yes, BYU would have
performed better against the PAC 12 in 2011.
@ LonestarRunner"Since 2011, BYU is 2-2(50%) versus PAC 12 teams
not named Utah." That's absolutely not true. The two
PAC-12 teams BYU beat, Utah also beat. By a wider margin for that matter. 2011 BYU 38 - OSU 28. Utah 28 - OSU 62012 BYU 30 - WSU 6. Utah 49 -
WSU 6On top of that Utah has beaten BYU 4 years in a row. "Overall, BYU has been better."This is 100% false, as you
These arguments over who would do better in the Pac-12 are silly. That fact of
the matter is the league has improved substantially since after the 2011 season
and none of the teams in the state would do any better than what Utah has been
able to do i.e. not very well. I can't help but feel it's
BYU's way of coping with the repeated losses to the Utes.
Marked it DownHmmm, 2011 was the year Utah won at BYU 54-10. Mark
that down!This is too easy. TwoferOur
friends from down south are struggling. Anything, and I mean anything, but admit
the truth on the subject. They claim BYU would do better than Utah in the PAC
12, but they can't find any shred of evidence to support this position.
2ferBYU finished in the Top 25; Utah did not.BYU was
ranked higher in Sagarin than Utah.BYU beat a higher ranked bowl
opponent.And, unlike Kyle, who has a history of losing to fellow
conference bottom dwellers - see Wyo, UNM, CSU, UNLV and Colorado - Bronco was
undefeated against MWC bottom dwellers, and there's no reason to believe he
would have lost a home game at the end of the season to lowly PAC 12 bottom
Manfred Man"That fact of the matter is the league has improved
substantially since after the 2011 season and none of the teams in the state
would do any better than what Utah has been able to do..."And
you know this how?Because your personal opinion trumps the personal
opinion of everybody else?-------------SpokaneUte"2011 was the year Utah won at BYU 54-10. Mark that down!"Yet, Utah ended the season unranked after getting dominated by a 10-loss
team at home.While BYU ended the season ranked in the Top 25 after
beating a much higher ranked bowl opponent than Utah played.Mark
Marked it DownIt seems that our friends on the hill are still
struggling with the basic concept that one game does not an entire season
twoferre: "Since 2011, BYU is 2-2(50%) versus PAC 12 teams not
named Utah." "That's absolutely not true."Despite your frantic and emotional claim, that is an absolutely true
statement."Since 2011, BYU is 2-2(50%) versus PAC 12 teams not
named Utah."Scoring margin doesn't in any way, shape, or
form invalidate that statement.
Rockwell, scenic view, etc.Oh the horror of getting absolutely
throttled at home by your rival, 54-10. Manfred knows this by the
stats that I have provided regarding Utah and BYU vs. the PAC 12 over the last 3
years. Mark down the last 4 scores from the BYU-Utah game. Mark down 2-5 which
is BYU's record vs the PAC 12 since Utah has been a member. Pretty cool how
you hope, prey and rely on other teams to do what yours can't; simply beat
Utah. Also thanks for ignoring the statistics I reference; par for the course.
Just the FAXLet's discuss the entire season from
last year; shall we? Enlighen us on who finished ranked higher per the Sagarin
rankings. The rankings that are based on an entire season. At
2ferThanks for the tag team help. It was an easy match today.
It's as if we went up against a couple of blue tree stumps. Have a good one
Guy; and Have a good Evening.
@UtenymousYes it does; so there! Who is "frantic and
emotional"? That phrase grows old and tiresome.
Spokane UteOh the horror of seeing a team you "throttled"
early in the season finish well ahead of U in the rankings at the end of the
season.BYU - #25 Coaches, #26 AP, #34 SagarinUtah - no votes
in either poll, #39 SagarinIt's funny how you pull out the
"but Utah was ranked ONE place ahead of BYU" card in 2013, but refuse to
accept the fact that BYU finished FIVE places ahead of U in Sagarin in 2011, and
significantly ahead of U in both major polls.
Everybody knows that Utah is clearly better than BYU especially because of their
54-10 victory over BYU 3 years ago. What I just don't understand is why on
earth all the sports experts and pollsters and ranking experts live in denial
about Utah's superiority over BYU (silly them, although that one guy did
finally get it right when he ranked Utah higher than BYU by less than a single
point in one single poll). The only explanation is that BYU fans must be paying
them off or something like that to make them all think that BYU is better. But
we Utahns know the real truth that all the experts and football fans outside
Utah seem to miss, and that is that there is no doubt that Utah is far superior
to BYU in every way!
@ Riverton CougarPolls rank teams based on the best season, they
don't necessarily rank the best team. They are often related, but they not
the same thing. BYU had a better season in 2011, based on W/L record. But were
they a better team than Utah? I think a really strong argument can be made that
Utah was the better.
Two For FlinchingYou're splitting hairs - I seriously doubt
that you believe your own rhetoric when it comes to polls ranking the best
seasons versus the best teams.It's doubtful you could find a
single Stanford fan who would agree that Utah was better than Stanford last
season.You might have a weak argument if both teams were closely
ranked and the lower-ranked team beat the higher-ranked team head-to-head, but
even then it wouldn't be conclusive.
@ skywalkerMy rhetoric centers around this line, "They are often
related, but they not the same thing.", and I believe that fully. Upsets
happen and I think Stanford was the better team last season. However, the 2011
season illustrates my point perfectly. despite finishing ranked lower in the
polls, I think Utah was a much better team than BYU.
So then the purpose of the BCS was to match up the two teams with the best
seasons, not to match up the two best teams?I can agree that they
are related, but I think the primary purpose is to rank the best teams, not the
best seasons. Arguments could be made that Utah was better, but arguments could
be made that BYU was better as well.Often the term "better"
needs to be better defined. When I talk about a team being a better team, I mean
overall throughout the season. On the other hand, one could say that a team was
better that day. Just like many teams are better in November than they are in
September, teams have ups and downs. Suppose that this next year the Utah Jazz
go 3-1 against the Lakers. Are they the better team? Not necessarily; they were
probably just the better team on the day they played.I consider Utah
to have been the better team that day, but BYU was the better team that season.
You may disagree, but that's the way I see it.
Love to look back on the Cougar comments and predictions of how well Utah will