How does this square with kids being sent to early morning seminary?
Sometimes, what is ideal is not realistic. We are not merely
talking about moving school times back 1/2 hour. The ramifications are much
more significant than that. Primarily, adults with jobs.A good
lesson for kids is this. The world will not conform to you. Get used to it.
This is so true. This article does not address the Zero hour that too many
schools have now with early hour school programs. Furthermore, the LDS church
early seminary program. We need some sleep. We have seminary at 5:30 AM in out
area. If it was this early in Utah, the church would make a change from their
own kids getting up early. We need to have seminary in the afternoon or
Saturday and forget this early hour where the kids are not learning. Sleeping
in seminary and then throughout the school day. Very unproductive. Not family
Here are a few easier steps to try before we make wide scale changes to
something that has been in practice for decades:1-Turn off cell
phones at 10:00 p.m.2-Leave cell phones to charge on kitchen table. Not
in the bedroom.3-Go to bed.4-Sleep cell phone free.5-Drink a
little less soda & eat a little less sugar.Then sit back &
see if that helps.If not then I'll listen to your study.
It's too bad parents aren't being parents. For instance, many years
ago when I was going to high school and catching the bus at 6:30 am, I had
already been up for at least one hour because of caring for animals. There is
still 24 hours in a day, last time I checked.One of the biggest problems
is the phone that everyone seems to need. We can't turn them off at night
for fear we might miss something. Hey Mom and Dad, be the parents and, if
necessary, lock up the phones overnight. Have a regular schedule set up for
kids to follow, ie bedtime at 9:00 pm, wake up at a time necessary to get to
school/work on time. I've got news for some of you, work start times are
just as early as school start times and some are earlier.Life is full of
inconveniences, learn to adapt and overcome. Quit blaming everyone and
everything else for your children's problems. Start looking in the mirror
to see who the responsible person is for raising your children. Set your
children up for success not failure or culture shock when they get out of
Yes, turn the cell phones off after 10 pm. Phone curfew is 9 pm in my house.
Early morning seminary could go online with activities on weeknights
or weekends. Released-time seminary should offer classes after school and on
weekends. Physical activity during and after school promotes
healthy sleep patterns. Even with that, 7:30 is very early to begin
the school day. Push it back to at least 8:00.
This is ridiculous. Get the kids to bed earlier and they will not be sleep
deprived. It's a novel concept when parents are required to be parents.
I had early morning seminary at 6:00, high school started anywhere from 7:30 to
7:10. I also worked 3 nights a week during my senior year. I went to bed at
10:00, got up at 4:30. My body got used to it. I would fall asleep almost as
soon as my head hit the pillow, and I would wake up just before my alarm went
off. I graduated from high school with a GPA of 3.75, weighted GPA 4.5.No, not everyone can do that. My experience with kids and getting them
up at certain times, is that if you tell them they have to get up at a later
time, they will find ways to stay up later to offset any benefit of sleeping in.
If they need to get more sleep, they really can go to bed earlier.
Well, I'm working in India where kids go to school 6 days a week from 8 to
4. Many, go to boarding school away from their parents for 6 months at a time.
To afford this, the parents are working six days a week on a 12 hour shifts
often around the clock. Vacations are few in between and the sacrifice to
educate is massive. I'm not saying kids don't need sleep, but my
experience with my 7 kids (5 teenagers) has been go to bed early (it can be
Perhaps you should all read the actual reportThis is a public health
issue not good bad or indifferent parenting. Sleep works best for the body when
it is in the natural time frame for a person's age. There is plenty of
research documenting the sleep and health issues related to shift work. There is
also plenty of data about illness, injury, and death rates of adolescents,
particularly in farming where improper and inadequate sleep cycles are no doubt
a contributing factor. Changing school and work schedules to that
people can get adequate sleep and be at the top of their game in the classroom
and the workplace would be good for the nation, For once, maybe it's a good
idea to re-order how the world works in order to prevent health issues rather
then clean up the mess afterward.
While we're at it, I'm noticing that my job is interfering with my
desire to stay up late playing on my phone. Work start times are designed for
everything but the workers. I can't be expected to be productive at 8:00
a.m.! Let's petition the corporate world to let us start at 10!
Kids needing to wake up early and being busy with productive activities all day
is nothing new, and nothing bad. For example, in the 60s and 70s when my Dad was
growing up he woke up really early to work on the family farm, went to school,
then went to either football, basketball, or baseball practice, depending on
which sport was in season. I think he also had a part-time job in High School.
He found time to study enough to maintain a High School GPA of around 3.9
(unweighted). He has continued this work ethic for his entire life resulting in
much success and has the least amount of health issues for someone his age out
of everyone I know. His "secret" (not really much of a secret at all)?
Going to bed early. As the wise Ben Franklin once said: "Early to bed and
early to rise makes a man healthy, wealthy, and wise."
Perhaps the LDS church should rethink early-morning seminary.
As a mother of a teenager with bipolar disorder, who graduated in May 2014, I
would just like to say that changing to a later high school start time would be
a great step in a positive direction. Teens, in general, need more sleep than
adults; and they have difficulty falling asleep as early as adults do. For
teens with bi-polar disorder the need for appropriate sleep is magnified many
times. Proper sleep can reduce the risk of manic episodes greatly. Manic
episodes are a major causal factor in suicide attempts. Unfortunately, my
daughter had several classmates each year that she was in school who committed
suicide. These were seriously traumatizing events for the entire school
community. As big a problem as mental health has become for our teens, I feel it
would be irresponsible of us not to consider a change in start times, especially
when it has researched evidence and doctor support behind it that backs the
claim that it helps these at risk kids.
When schoolchildren start paying union dues, the education establishment will
start putting their needs first.And yes: Early-morning LDS seminary
Studies and experience (as a educator) show that school times are too early, and
perhaps, that early morning seminary should be reconsidered. I don't recall
the source, but one district changed the high school start time to 9am and saw
an 85% increase in test scores. While it's true that the world doesn't
and shouldn't revolve around us or our kids, it is also true that the world
needs to work for the humans that are in it, and this adjustment would improve
that function.I, for one, would love to live in a society like Spain,
where everything pauses midday for a siesta. You wouldn't expect a 5 year
old to do the work of a thirty year old, so how can we expect a 15 year old to
work like a 50 year old? Sure they need to learn to deal with opposition, but
why create it for them?Let's get realistic, people, and make the
world work for humans instead of the other way around.
Some teachers do assign homework as if there were nothing else in life but the
one class. That late (early?) texting thing is one of those major "Duh!"
factors. Some speak of the poor kids natural biological rhythms.
The solar cycle is the natural basis of that. They can be consciously modified
with time and effort. But we mess with that with rotating shifts, daylight
savings, organized activity overload, and the siren call of tech.
Changing school starting time will merely result in yet another artificial shift
that will have to be dealt with eventually.
Eagles63:This Eagle would rather not be India.This is a
new reality. Most students that are lucky enough to have jobs aren't
working on a dairy farm. They are at McDonald's sometimes past 10:00 p.m.
I think it's time to look at these studies and quit being
curmudgeons. It might make more productive students and a more productive
I can feel the love for the children from these comments.
I agree with the study. School should start at a civilized hour, not during
astronomical twilight. Starting school in the middle of the night so it can let
out in the early afternoon is a bad idea.
If school was designed with kids in mind, it would start at 10 and be over by 2.
In Texas, we have early morning seminary at 6am or 7am (no released-time; we
follow the celestial model for seminary). School runs from 8:30-3:45. Works
like a charm, especially for the parents.