PG lost a lot of good players to graduation and won't be nearly the same
team. There are good Jr's this fall but few Sr's with much
experience. Hard to know what to expect but I'd think next year will be
Glad to be proven wrong in my pessimism. Way to go, Vikings!
Everyone is going to have this urge to pat themselves on the back when they beat
Alta. The problem is, Alta isn't "Alta" any more. Get used to
seeing Alta lose on a consistent basis. In fact give it one more year, and Alta
will be finishing consistently at the bottom of the region in all sports. So
before you gauge your team's success by beating a supposed "power",
be cautious because this isn't the same Alta as you all know it. In fact,
FAR from it.
@Proud to be American - I constantly hear the same thing about Alta not being
the Alta of old. Why is that??? Is it due to Corner Canyon??? Are players who
normally would have gone to Alta deciding to go to Corner Canyon??? Schools
deal with splits all the time and just have to find a way to deal with it. In
2010...Herriman split away from Riverton and Riverton had to simply do the best
it could. When I look at the Riverton and Herriman teams of 2010, 2011, 2012
and 2013...I think that would have been a scarily good team had they not split.
Kind of sad to think the Black and Blue rivalry may be over. I loved those
Alta Bingham games. That was real good football played at a very high level
of skill.. and best of all was the mutual respect and friendship these guys
had at the end of the game regardless of who won the game. I travelled to
see that game every year. I wish Alta could come back to that level. Why has
Bingham been able to maintain a high level of play when Alta has not. Is it Les
Hamilton's departure. I do not know. But I really wish it was different.
It's the new High School. Someone just asked why it's so different
when comparing Herriman being built and not effecting Riverton. The difference
is simply the boundaries. 80% of the kids live in Draper. They now go to Corner
Canyon. If you look at Alta's boundaries now, there are older homes
and residents. Draper has younger families moving into new(er) homes. You can
certainly argue that Hamilton leaving helped many of these CC seniors to leave
Alta and jump to the new school. But it's really just a case of
Socioeconomics and geography. I wouldn't be surprised to see Alta drop to
4A in the next few years.
@ BigBenzo88: Corner Canyon gutted Alta High School to the point where Alta
could be dropped to 4A next year due to student body size. The biggest majority
of players that have made Alta so good over the years, have all lived in Draper,
south of 123rd South, which now belongs to Corner Canyon. So yes, Alta is not
the same team that people are used to seeing. It's going to take a lot of
re-building and frankly, I do not think the current coaching staff with Bob
Stephans can get the job done. Alta has not been the same since losing Les
Hamilton due to some over-involved parents who thought they knew better than
Les. I do see Les Hamilton building Pleasant Grove into a 5A power, that
everyone will have to contend with. He is that good! As for Alta, time will only
tell, if they will ever to be able to get back to the powerful athletic school
that they used to be. I sure hope so, because I am an Alta fan through and
through! Go Hawks!
If by build you mean recruit then yes, PG will be good.
Adwight...I noticed that it was PG who knocked you guys out of the playoffs last
year...Ouch. How that must sting.
I think everyone in 5A and in Utah should take notice of Region 4 and thus
should take note of the better teams in Region 4 such as Pleasant Grove,
American Fork and Herriman. I think last year showed that Region 4 was clearly
the most competitive region in 5A and the state. Four teams were tied 1st place
and six teams actually could have made the playoffs. I think this year the same
holds true...Region 4 will again be the most competitive but I think will fare a
little bit better this year again Region 3 in the regular season and in the
playoffs.Region 3 and Region 4 meet eight times in the regular
season and I believe Region 4 wins at least five of those contests and I believe
Region 3 and Region 4 will all again be paired up in the playoff quarterfinals.
Last year Region 3 went 3-1 against Region 4 in the quarterfinals...this
year...look for that to be 2-2.As a Herriman fan...I am keeping my
eye on American Fork and Pleasant Grove...both teams are very strong. I believe
the October 23rd game Herriman at Pleasant Grove will decide the outright Region
Benzo,What does it matter if Region 4 wins more games against Region
3? I realize that you are trying to build up Herriman, but the thing that
matters is who wins on November 27th. I think R4 has five pretty
good teams at the top (with Herriman being the best of the five) followed by a
Lehi team who is improving, and a not good team in Westlake.Region 3
has Bingham, then Brighton and Jordan (who I’d put on par with the big
five from R4), then Alta (who is in decline from the CC opening and probably on
par with Lehi) and then 2 not very good teams in WJ and CH.The fact
that the R4 big 5 has 2 games against WJ and 2 with Alta really skews things. I
think you need to look at the Brighton-AF game last week and this week’s
Bingham-Herriman to get a feel for how they line up.R4 will go 4-0
in the first round, but only because they play R2. I think the R1#1 (probably
Davis) beats the R3#4 (probably Alta) this year. From there, too early to tell.
Parry, apparently you didnʻt pay attention to the games last week.
American Forkʻs coach handed Brighton that win as AF dominated Brighton,
especially in the second half. I would take AF in a rematch as they are the
better team, no doubt. Lehi lost to Murray and will be the Lehi of old and will
be last.Let me be the first to aay watch out for Westlake the next couple
of years, including this year. They waxed a tough Spanish Fork team 40-20 who
were favored to beat them. Thatʻs a young team led by sophomores on both
sides of the ball who are in my stake. Remember these names; Chaz Ah You (qb)
and Kavika Saanga (LB). They will surprise some teams with a much improved team
that is loaded with underclassmen.If they give Corner Canyon a run for
their money in 2 weeks, Region 4 will get much more inreresting.
Actually, NO. I paid real close attention to the AF-Brighton game. I agree
that AF should have won that game. Not sure AF would dominate a rematch, but AF
definitely is competitive with Brighton. Please explain what I said that
implies that I did not pay attention. I hope Westlake has a great year, but
beating a small 4A school does not a season make.Benzo is trying to
spin Region 4 having a winning record against Region 3 to mean that Herriman is
great. But four games against WJ and Alta probably gives R4 a 4-0 head start
(it is already 2-0) in the head-to-head record. I think the Brighton-AF game
showed that R3 is NOT the SEC of Utah HS football. And if Herriman shows well,
or wins this week, that further proves the point. My point is: the
region head-to-head means nothing as Benzo is trying imply. The
Bingham-Herriman head-to-head and the Brighton-AF head-to-head does mean
@ParryTo imply that Alta and Lehi are on par shows you weren't
paying attention. Alta was still very competitive with a very good PG team
while Lehi got waxed by possibly the worst 4A school in Murray (at least for the
past 4 years). I thought Spanish Fork would beat WL to be honest as I
thimk they will actually challenge Timpview and Salem Hills in their region.
Iʻll still reserve judgement on WL until after the Corner Canyon game but
that win (and score) against a pretty talented SF team was impressive.BigBenzo is obviously a Herriman homer but he's right about Region 4
being the toughest Region hands down. I personally think AF will be the best
twam in the region when itʻs all said and done. In saying that, there are
5 teams that can win that region and it probably wouldnʻt surprise to many
Tbird, why do you think Spanish Fork will challenge Timpview and Salem Hills in
the region? Are they that much improved over last year? How are their numbers?
They are only in their second year of playing 4A ball.
Region 4 is a good region, but Region 3 is superior and will have more teams at
Rice Eccles than any of the other three. I realize everyone is counting Alta
out but Alta was up on PG in the 4th quarter and if not for a fumbled snap by
the punter it could've easily gone Alta's way. Herriman may finally
get a chance to play on the turf, and AF and PG are good this year, but I
don't think Region 4 is as deep or as talented as Region 3.
plyxply, I have to disagree. And I am a Bingham alum so I pull for R3. I
think the AF-Brighton game showed that the difference between R3 and R4
isn't that great. I think Bingham is the best by far (of course Herriman
could, and might, prove me wrong on that this week) but Bingham being so
superior boosts R3. But I don't think that there is much difference
between Brighton, Jordan, PG, LP, Riverton, Herriman, AF, or Davis. Both
regions have a couple of not good teams at the bottom.I think Alta
is down and the fact that that PG game slipped away demonstrates that, the Alta
teams of 2005-2009 would never have let that game slip away. Alta likely will
finish 4th in region and go on the road to lose in the first round this year.
Not "counting Alta out", but the reality is that they are not the same
program since Hamilton left and Corner Canyon opened.R4 plays R2 in
the first round so they will most likely get 4 teams into the quarters. Pretty
early to be predicting how many teams each region will put on the turf though.
In 4A one could say Region 8 is the best league because Timpview took state.
But in reality Region 8 was the weakest league in 4A. I think one has to look
top to bottom and I think Region 3 and 4 are very close in quality at both top
and bottom. Bingham might be the best team but I think teams 2-5 in Region 4
might be as strong or better than Region 3. I guess time will tell.
eagle,Well said. Same point I was trying to make, but stated much
@RebeardSF actually beat Salem Hills in an away game last year in their
rival game. They return a lot of their best players on both sides of the ball,
especially Jason Money who is a 3 year starter at QB and is the most underrated
player in the state. SF was a top 3A school that actually played in the
championship prior to moving up. Every year top 3A schools beat 4A and even 5A
schools (ask Orem). The reality is the Tbirds lost 18 starters, including
the whole O-line. As long as Covey stays healthy, weʻll have a shot.
Defensively, Gabe Reid will anchor practically a whole new defense that was
dominant last year.Salem Hills returns Gustin and a few of their top
players but they still lost to SF. Gustin ,ay be the best athlete in the state
(perhaps second to Masina), but Money is the better QB between the 2.That
of course is my humble opinion as the games will eventually be played on the
Without trying to sound bias, Bingham amy be in a class of itʻs own this
year. In saying that, if Herriman gives them a run for their money or even
beats them, than Region 4 will prove to be the better region period. Last year
Region 3 simply had the best 3 teams in the state. That is not the case this
year. After the AF/Brighton game, there would be no guarantee that Jordan nor
Brighton would makemthe playoffs if they were in Region 4 this year.With
that said, if Region 4 remains the same in the next realignment, it will even
get tougher as Westlake may not quite get there this year, but will be in the
mix next year with a talented young core and very good coaching staff that is
bringing some excitement back to that community.Lehi on the other hand
ismsadly reverting back to mediocrity after firing a coach that finally brought
some respect to the community.
Parry is a Farce - It's all good. I'm not trying to spin
anything...all its just that all I have between Region 3 and Region 4 are those
eight games. My point was to say that last year Region 3 and Region 4 are the
two best regions in Utah. Last year and this year everyone says that Region 3
is in a class of its own and I simply disagree with for last year and this year.
Last Region 3 and Region 4 all met up in the quarterfinals. Even though Region
3 went 3-1 keep in mind that Lone Peak beat Alta, Pleasant Grove was competitive
with Jordan and Herriman vs Brighton came down to who had the ball
last...Brighton scored with 30 seconds left to take the lead and Herriman was in
red zone when time expired. So my point is that Region 4 was closer to Region 3
last year than most people think and I believe this year both regions are even
closer in strength.Herriman lost to Bingham last year by 13 points.
Look for Herriman to win this year and if they are unsuccessful in their upset
attempt...the score will be within 7 points.GO MUSTANGS!!!