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  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 5:58 a.m.

    All the beautiful thoughts and daily prayers didn't stop Utah from overwhelmingly voting for George Bush and Dick Cheney...twice...deep sighs....I think your idea about "one generation from world-peace" is not likely.

    Also, don't paint with such a broad brush when you know very little about the people and communities you refer to.
    Peace does start at home for sure.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 6:13 a.m.

    Many people are just looking for an excuse to steal and destroy.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Aug. 21, 2014 6:56 a.m.

    "If this community wants to change their image with police officers, they need to act differently and make changes from what has been expected."

    Over 90% of those arrested for violent behavior (looting, etc.) are not residents of Ferguson. Of course the MSM has not highlighted this fact otherwise it might hurt their nightly ratings. But people seeking the truth will find this evidence. There is overwhelming evidence of a long history of police harassment in Ferguson and even more evidence that Michael Brown was shot while attempting to surrender and so just who is it that needs to "act differently"?

    "When Children learn how to get along with others and learn that it is way more profitable to make one's self better...all this violence and hate in the world will stop"

    It's a two way street. Both sides need to learn that lesson. The vast, vast majority of Ferguson's residents are simply exercising their rights of free speech, in a peaceful way. But that becomes difficult in the midst of fire hoses and tear gas..

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 7:51 a.m.

    The damage done to the Ferguson boy was "irreparable", wasn't it?

    This is about police killing unarmed black kids with impunity and getting away with it.

  • E Sam Provo, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 8:00 a.m.

    Actually, most of the violence was committed by people from outside Ferguson. Every morning, we see young men with brooms and shovels cleaning up. There have been many positive actions, including a voter registration drive. Good can come from this tragedy.

  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 8:18 a.m.

    Maverick is absolutely correct. This incident has moved beyond any thoughtful discussion of racism, and has turned into outright anarchy.

    Let me give a directly applicable analogy here.  Abraham Lincoln famously stated "Whenever the vicious portion of the population shall be permitted to gather in bands of hundreds and thousands, and burn churches, ravage and rob provision stores, throw printing presses into rivers, shoot editors, and hang and burn obnoxious persons at pleasure, and with impunity; depend on it, this government cannot last."

    That is exactly what is happening in Ferguson. The general population is completely out of control, and the very government is nearing a point of helplessness. Something must be done immediately to restore public order.

  • Midvaliean MIDVALE, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 9:00 a.m.

    Maybe the police should start by de-escalating the situation rather than escalating it. Perhaps aiming your guns everywhere you go isn't good for calming people down. Maybe martial law makes people more mad. What if it was our community?

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 9:32 a.m.

    Two points. First, perhaps the problem is with the police, at least in large part. Second, perhaps racism is still a serious problem and some, like the letter writer, do not have a full appreciation of the issue of race in America.

  • Maudine SLC, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 9:34 a.m.

    From an AP news story, '"Riots erupt when all other options have been closed," said Cathy Schneider, an American University professor who studies race riots. "When people really feel vulnerable in the face of police violence and local authorities are totally impervious to community demands."

    'Ferguson is 67 percent black; the mayor, city council, school board and police force are almost all white.'

    Yes, there are a lot of people from all over the US who are upset when young, unarmed black men are killed by police. Yes, many of those people are converging in Ferguson and protesting this latest death. But, as the White Stripes song says, you can't take the effect and make it cause. The police aren't behaving badly because these riots are occurring - the riots are occurring because the police are behaving badly.

    Victims not fighting back is not peace.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 21, 2014 9:48 a.m.

    If Democrats are going to "quote" Republicans, the least they can do is let the Republican speak for himself - instead of using Saul Alinsky tactics.

    The full quote was: "Mr. Wills told the right-wing website Breitbart: “If that’s not fanning the political flames, I don’t know what is. I think it’s not only disgusting but completely inappropriate.”

    Eye witness accounts tell an entirely different story than the media has reported. Agitators, i.e., community organizers came from all over America to "participate" in the rioting and to make certain that civil unrest continued until their leader got what he wanted.

    How many "riots" will we have in America before the next election? How many lawbreakers will those "community organizers" USE to get out the vote?

    Well, it works both ways. 100% of eligible voters should be registered in every part of America. Those who want to take this Country back from agitators need to vote their conscience. It's time to tell a President who uses his office to divide America that we are done with his rhetoric and his tactics.

    By all means, vote!

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 9:57 a.m.

    The resurgence of racial hatred in America makes one think that it never really went away. Despite all the progress we have made in giving equal opportunity to all races, it seems to be coming back with a vengeance.

    I think it is mainly due to the hate campaigns of conservative media in their efforts to make President Obama fail.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 10:15 a.m.

    I agree with The Real Maverick. " Many people are just looking for an excuse to steal and destroy".

    I fault those who would take the statement to only be referring to ordinary people who take every opportunity to get ahead.

    The real conglomeration of people seeking to steal, cheat, impose and even destroy are those who manipulate our government to their private desires. It is likely that they have stolen more from people than all the looters and stealers of public demonstrations in the history of America.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 10:16 a.m.

    Obama needs no help from Republics to show that he is failing. What America needs is a media that reports accurately the facts instead of reporting what Obama wants to see on the news or read in the papers.

    Where are the news reports that tell us who those community organizers are that just happened to show up in Ferguson? Why were they there? Who paid their way? Who gave them instructions? Why were they not arrested for inciting riots?

    This Country is more divided now than it was in 2008 simply because Obama preaches class warfare. He constantly tells us that some "rich guy" owes the rest of us. He shows that he believes that by spending his time vacationing and playing golf. Where is the outrage about a President who shirks his duty?

    What would have happened in Ferguson if the community organizers had stayed away? We'll never know, but it's time to start prosecuting anyone who incites a riot, no matter whose payroll they're on.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Aug. 21, 2014 10:16 a.m.

    Mike Richards
    South Jordan, Utah

    I recall you said the reason you have guns [2nd amendment]
    is to protect youself against a tyranical government.

    Isn't that what the people shooting at police in Ferguson doing?

    They see the Police [Government] as a bully and a threat...

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 10:22 a.m.

    "mainly due to the hate campaigns of conservative media " Ok ultra, chapter and verse, you can't make a blood libel kind of statement and not show text. Obama's failure has nothing to do with race, politics maybe, but not race.

    I have never seen or heard a conservative commentator tell us race is the reason they oppose Obama, but I hear everyday liberal commentators tell us the reason he fails is because of racial hate. Who then is the racist? The liberal left saying he is failing because he is black and race is at the bottom of all the policies, or conservatives who do not like his policies because they are wrong?

    When America learns to judge people for the content of their heart, and not the color of their skin, then will the our nation grow.

    It can start by defending Obama's policies, not the color of his skin.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Chihuahua, 00
    Aug. 21, 2014 10:35 a.m.

    The LA riots were much worse than this in terms of damage. A little premature to talk about irrepairable damage.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 10:43 a.m.

    You are right Irony guy the Republican party labeling the voter registration drive in Ferguson disgusting is a party failure. In fact The Republican party has failed miserably in this area. They should be there in mass helping voters register, and teaching the new voters how to vote, and what they can do to insure their votes are accurate and counted. How they can prevent voter fraud from any political group. Teach them the importance of an honest vote.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 21, 2014 10:43 a.m.

    As usual Open Minded Mormon is using Saul Alinky's model to twist the words of others. If Open Minded Mormon wants to use his own gun to overthrow the government, then let him say so.

    Twisting words, misrepresenting others, oblique attacks are all found in the "community organizer,Saul Alingsky's book, "Rules for Radicals". If you read that book, you'll see that some posters use the methods found in that book. What's worse is that leadership in Washington also closely follows the teaching of that book. The "community organizers" sent to Ferguson closely followed the teachings of that book.

    It's time in America for those of us who believe in the Constitution to stand up for its principles of PEACEFUL assembly, of free speech against the government's misuse of authority, and to speak out against those who twist words to suit their own purposes.

    The good people of Ferguson were USED and their city sullied by community organizers.

  • Svenn Morgan, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 10:45 a.m.

    Ranch said:

    "This is about police killing unarmed black kids with impunity and getting away with it."

    =====

    So Ranch, Police in this nation are "killing unarmed black kids with impunity..."? Please enlighten all of us and provide specific examples of this epidemic that we keep hearing you folks on the Left wring your hands about.

    Blacks make up 13% of the US population (39,000,000). Please provide us:

    * Names of the Black Victims
    * Names of White Law Enforcement Officers
    * Specific injustice committed by white cops against black persons
    * Location of injustice (State/city)
    * News stories related to event

    Again, it should be very easy to provide example after example of these injustices you folks on the left say is common place in the USA.

    BTW, as the facts continue to come out, looks Like Michael Brown did indeed assault this officer and did inflict bodily damage on his person (major damage to his eye socket). Also looks like the witnesses were lying, as confirmed by the autopsy reports.

    We're breathlessly waiting for your examples???

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 10:50 a.m.

    And the myth continues "This is about police killing unarmed black kids with impunity and getting away with it." Is this an everyday occurrence, what about and how often do police kill unarmed white kids with impunity and getting away with it. How many whites, blacks, Hispanic, and other races. What are the rates. How about the fact of black on black crime how many innocent little children died in Chicago, Detroit, Philly, and on and on, with impunity and getting away with it.

    The popular narrative is falling apart in Ferguson, an officer had his face bashed in by as Travons witness said a good (censored), by an individual who just robbed a convenience store, and was now charging directly at him. Given the officers face is smashed, and probably cannot see clearly, and someone is charging at him, I think I would fire also. Mind you he is trained to shoot to kill. Their is no innocence in this case, this is not a white on black crime. It is an officer against a thug, their is no race in this.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 11:15 a.m.

    What's the difference between the destruction of property in ferguson and the destruction wrought by Bundy and his ilk?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 11:42 a.m.

    I think the cause of the problems, and their solutions, is more complex than expressed here.

  • L White Springville, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 11:57 a.m.

    What a hoot! Cliven Bundy destroyed property? Whose property?

    In Ferguson, agitators stirred up the local citizens and incited them to violence. In Nevada, the BLM miliarized its forces and tried to take Cliven Bundy's land so that a "land swap" could take place and Senator Reid would not be embassed when he failed to give the Chinese what they wanted.

    The only thing similar in both cases is "government". In Nevada, it was the BLM. In Ferguson, it was "community organizers". Who were those "community organizers"? Why did they suddenly show up in Ferguson from all parts of the Country? Who told them to go there? Who told them to agitate the people? Who told them to incite violence?

    It's time for the media to earn their keep. It's time they got their feet off their desks and starting doing their job instead of reprinting White House press memos.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 12:45 p.m.

    @Svenn
    "Please enlighten all of us and provide specific examples of this epidemic that we keep hearing you folks on the Left wring your hands about."

    Already mentioned:
    Eric Garner - New York City (chokehold incident)
    Ezell Ford - Los Angeles (still under investigation, it's claimed he was shot by police while he was laying on the ground)

    I'll add another obvious one that now has video showing the police shooting:
    Kajieme Powell - St. Louis (10 days after Michael Brown, this incident 3-4 miles away from the shooting of Michael Brown is likely to be the more questionable regarding police action).

    Those are just the other ones besides Michael Brown that have received national news coverage in the past couple weeks. I don't see why I need to do more of your homework.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 12:53 p.m.

    @L White
    The Bundy incident does not involve land involved in any Chinese deal. That's something in a completely different area. The Bundy militia aimed sniper rifles at federal officials and openly admitted to using women and children as human shields. Why is threatening Missouri police a justification for police defending themselves (which I agree with btw), but the BLM is supposed to stand down rather than defend themselves against people who can do a lot more damage than those knuckleheads throwing rocks?

  • TheProudDuck Newport Beach, CA
    Aug. 21, 2014 1:00 p.m.

    Blacks are five times as likely to be shot by police. Eeek! Racist!

    Not so fast.

    Blacks are also six to eight times more likely to be involved in serious crime.

    So if anything, blacks are *less* likely to get shot by police, than their proportionate involvement in serious crime would seem to warrant. (Contrary to popular left-wing belief, police shootings are not random.)

    Alternatively, we need have police shoot a lot fewer white people, to even things out.

  • TheProudDuck Newport Beach, CA
    Aug. 21, 2014 1:05 p.m.

    Remember "It's a Wonderful Life"?

    After Jimmy Stewart goes nuts (in the alternative world Clarence sends him to) and punches Bert and runs off, Bert yells "Stand back!" and blazes away at the (unarmed and fleeing) Jimmy Stewart's back.

    Now, that's a good law school exam question: was that a justifiable use of force? Does the "fleeing felon" rule apply? (Arguably yes -- deadly force is justified to apprehend a person suspected of a felony, if there is a reasonable belief that the fleeing suspect poses a threat of death or great bodily harm).

    But anyone who talks about Michael Brown being "armed," as if that's relevant to anything, is uninformed.

  • Darrel Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 1:07 p.m.

    The problem as I see this situation is nothing more than the timeline and pot stirring media.

    The initial story was "Cop shoots unarmed black kid"
    The race card was unnecessarily (and still is) played. Any time a cop shoots ANY unarmed person should be a time for alarm. Adding race into the mix simply added dividing lines across the nation. Sides were drawn at this point.

    The media continued their fervor in "mixing the pot" further driving the frenzy on both sides. Sides only listening to the points that illustrate their point of view.

    Unless both sides can calm down and listen to the other, there will be no de-escalation. Both sides are only more entrenched in their positions.

    It would appear that the cop acted in self defense, and that the police are hyper escalating in their reaction to protests are being done over what they felt was injustice, but now are more fueled over government reaction.

  • TheProudDuck Newport Beach, CA
    Aug. 21, 2014 1:07 p.m.

    If American police officers are really just going around merrily popping random innocent black kids for kicks & giggles, why is it that they can't ever seem to shoot someone without a lengthy rap sheet?

    Surely the law of averages would result in someone who really *was* the pacifist honor student the race hustlers make virtually everyone who gets shot by police out to be.

  • Confused Sandy, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 1:23 p.m.

    May I remind you liberals who have posted that the police officer is a fault here some minor but important details:
    1. If this was a black Officer shooting a black kid... would there be the same response from the people of Ferguson, Al Sharpton and the Liberal Media?
    2. Why is this young man innocent? Did he not just strong arm a store owner for cigars?
    3. From accounts coming out, it appears the officer the Kid to get out of the middle of the road because he was blocking traffic. He young man decline to follow orders.
    4. He not only did not follow the request, he proceeded to beat the officer until he fractured his eye socket and a good portion of the cops face was battered. (as reported by ABC, Huffington and Fox news).
    5. The young man attempted to flee, which the cop told him to stop (Again failing to stop), the young man turned and was in the act of charging the Police officer. (as reported by ABC, Huffington and Fox news).

    So tell me again how this cop is guilty?

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 1:37 p.m.

    Amazing so many of you seem to be trying to connect racism and the Republicans. Take a look in the mirror if you want to see what is dividing this country.

  • L White Springville, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 1:41 p.m.

    Mr. (Mrs.) Schnee,

    I beg your pardon, but do you only repeat the rhetoric of others?

    The Chinese wanted to erect a solar array in Nevada, but there were tortises on that land. In order to allow the Chinese to build their solar array, the tortises had to be moved. Cliven Bundy's land was selected as the depository for those tortises. Now that I've done your homework for you, do you want to connect the dots or do you want me to connect them for you?

    If you didn't know it before, maybe you should study the finances of Harry Reid. Where did his money come from? He was virtually a pauper when he entered the Senate but he isn't a pauper anymore. Spend a little time looking at his "investments" and ask yourself just how lucky one person can be.

    The "Bundy" situation stinks to high heaven. Someday we'll know every detail, but I'm smart enough to connect the dots. Are you?

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 2:02 p.m.

    Confused, Yes, I do find it interesting that one can almost decern the politics of people (liberals and Democrats) by how many are already proclaiming the police officer guilty of murder, when as of now we are far from having all the facts and evidence in. Gives me more reason not to trust liberals and Democrats with protection of my civil rights.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 2:21 p.m.

    jsf.

    At the beginning of President Obama's attempt to be president of the United States of America, as elected by the people of America, before any of his policies and goals were attempted, the republicans, conservatives, many businessmen and white supremists expressed the desire to make him fail on every thing he wanted to do.

    Economically many business operations acted against normal people as if to punish them for electing Obama. Religions brought unnecessary troubles to the fore. Investors withheld investments, Detractors challenged his birth, and in all removed the power of the presidency from President Obama.

    When the amount of hate went far beyond to expected level of different political philosophy and since he hadn't killed or harmed people, here or abroad, we look for the unsaid reason. When people act upon their inner feeling they don't always voice the actual source. Racial hate has may way of being expressed and used without ever mentioning race.

    The hate even goes so far as to damage America itself. The high profile of hate told foreign nations and people that President Obama had no respect in America, thus nothing to cause any respect in the world.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    Aug. 21, 2014 2:32 p.m.

    L White
    Springville, UT
    Mr. (Mrs.) Schnee,

    I beg your pardon, but do you only repeat the rhetoric of others?

    Cliven Bundy's land was selected as the depository for those tortises. Now that I've done your homework for you, do you want to connect the dots or do you want me to connect them for you?

    =========

    Cliven Bundy NEVER owned that land.
    He was supposed to lease it,
    but since he doesn't recognized the United States of America,

    "I abide by all of Nevada state laws. But I don’t recognize the United States government as even existing."

    he took it upon himself to stop paying fee to use Federal Land.

    BTW -- The Constitution of the State of Nevada, states that Nevada recognizes the Federal Government of the United States as the "paramount" authority.

    So -- Mr. Bundy isn't even following Nevada State laws, either.

    Now that I've done your homework for you, do you want to connect the dots or do you want me to connect them for you?

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Aug. 21, 2014 2:51 p.m.

    To "Confused" you missed the more recent reports that Brown punched the cop and fractured the cop's eye socket. A kid that can do that should not be considered unarmed. His fists pose a great threat to the police or anybody he comes in contact with.

    To "embarrassed Utahn!" yes, lets use politics to determine what happens in a community when a cop kills somebody. In Utah we had a black cop kill a white kid. How many riots have we had because of that? Where is Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson declaring racism?

    To "Esquire" yes, racism is a problem. However, the US is over its racist past and the war on racism is over and the non-racists won. There are the racist agitators like Sharpton and Jackson that do not preach anything to reduce racism, they fan the flames of racism and turn an incident where a thug was killed by an honorable officer into a racial issue that incited riots.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 3:03 p.m.

    @L White
    It's not Bundy's land. Even if everything else you said is correct about tortoises and political grandstanding, it's federal land and he's not paying grazing fees like he should be. He's breaking the law and the authorities have the right to step in and enforce the laws on the books.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 3:35 p.m.

    Gee Ultra Bob. I didn't ask it of you, but many thanks for validating my point. Sure is too bad that all of us business people, conservatives, Republicans, and white supremists ruined Obamas Presidency. Hope we can do better next time and be perfect people like you and all your liberal colleagues are. And we know that if the next President is a Republican, there won't be one bit of criticism coming from your side. By the way who are these Presidents named Reagan and Bush? I've never heard of them. Cheers!

  • L White Springville, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 6:26 p.m.

    Well, now we really have a predicament! Some from the Left are telling us that the Federal Government owns Nevada, even though on every map, Nevada is clearly labeled as Nevada, not "the State of Chaos". The Federal Government has no deed to that land. The Federal Government didn't buy the land from Nevada when Nevada was made a State. That land is inside the State's boundaries. If it doesn't belong to the Bundey family, then it belongs to the State of Nevada, and if it doesn't belong to either the Bundey family or the State of Nevada, then we all own it and the Bundy family has just as much right to run their cattle on that land as anybody else. But, because it is part of the State of Chaos, nobody knows who owns it, even though the BLM claims that it has full authority to run it (regardless of what the Constitution says about Federal ownership of land within a State).

    Is it any wonder that when Washington gets involved that nobody knows which way is up? Unfortunately, not only is their a State of Chaos, but a Nation of Chaos.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 21, 2014 9:40 p.m.

    @ECR:
    "The vast, vast majority of Ferguson's residents are simply exercising their rights of free speech, in a peaceful way."

    Are you saying that Molotov cocktails and breaking in and robbing stores is free speech?

    "But that becomes difficult in the midst of fire hoses and tear gas.."

    Fire hoses and tear gas are used only when folks are rioting. Keep that in mind.

    @Ranch:
    "This is about police killing unarmed black kids with impunity and getting away with it."

    I think you'll find that more black kids are killed by black kids. Where are the black folk up in arms about that? It appears anger only occurs when a white person does the shooting.

    @Ultra Bob:
    "The resurgence of racial hatred in America makes one think that it never really went away."

    One has to wonder who's responsible? The answer is fairly clear when you notice who's breaking into and robbing stores and who's rioting in the streets.

  • Svenn Morgan, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 11:07 p.m.

    Schnee said:

    1) "Eric Garner - New York City (chokehold incident)"

    A tragedy, but has this been determined to be the result of racist white cops against a Black man?

    2) "Ezell Ford - Los Angeles (still under investigation, it's claimed he was shot by police while he was laying on the ground)"

    The key part of your post here is "Still under investigation." I know this get's in the way of the Liberal narrative, but as we've seen in Ferguson, Liberals and race hustlers like Sharpton don't like when the facts run counter to their pre-established narrative.

    3) "Kajieme Powell - St. Louis (10 days after Michael Brown, this incident 3-4 miles away from the shooting of Michael Brown is likely to be the more questionable regarding police action)."

    Once again a poor innocent Black kid, who just happened to rob a store, who was acting strangely, and reportedly was holding at knife at the time of the confrontation happens to get shot by racist police.

    4) Michael Brown:

    We now know after reviewing all of the evidence, that this officer was justified in shooting Brown, and that it had NOTHING to do with racism!

    Talk about grasping at straws.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 8:55 a.m.

    WIZ.

    Rioting in the streets and breaking into stores has nothing to do with racial hatred. There probably were no black people participating in the Boston Tea Party. Racial hatred in America existed long before blacks had the power to riot. And long after.

    Judging from the character of the people rioting throughout the world, the most probable cause of people taking to the streets is economic oppression and the suppression of people having the ability to effect their government.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 11:47 a.m.

    @Svenn
    You wanted examples of white cops killing black people recently, questioning how frequent such things occur, so I gave examples. I'm not going to go fishing to try and imagine what your acceptable subset of examples would be.

    @wrz
    ["The vast, vast majority of Ferguson's residents are simply exercising their rights of free speech, in a peaceful way."

    Are you saying that Molotov cocktails and breaking in and robbing stores is free speech?]

    It's pretty clear ECR is saying that most protestors are peacefully using free speech, there's no claim at all that looting is free speech.

    "Where are the black folk up in arms about that? It appears anger only occurs when a white person does the shooting."

    Major differences include things like Treyvon Martin's shooter not being arrested and Michael Browns' shooter being a cop. You don't see things like this if a white person shot a black person and the white person is immediately arrested. Inner cities have all sorts of discussions about day-to-day inner-city violence, they just aren't covered by FOX unless mocking Chicago so you don't know they exist.

  • OneWifeOnly San Diego, CA
    Aug. 22, 2014 12:05 p.m.

    To The Proud Duck who wrote
    “If American police officers are really just going around merrily popping random innocent black kids for kicks & giggles, why is it that they can't ever seem to shoot someone without a lengthy rap sheet?”

    The St Louis County Prosecutor has already stated that THE Michael Brown who was shot and killed by Officer Wilson of the Ferguson Police Department, had no arrest record whatsoever.

    To Confused who wrote:
    “Why is this young man innocent? Did he not just strong arm a store owner for cigars?”

    Because in this country, people are innocent until proven guilty.

    To Redshirt1701 and many other:
    CNN and many other news outlets are reporting today that there is no evidence Darren Wilson’s eye socket was broken. Remember the original reports were only quoting a friend of the Wilson family. Some news report he was treated for a swollen face and released although Fox is still reporting he suffered severe facial injuries, a fractured eye socket and was nearly beaten unconscious. This sounds like the old fashioned game of Telephone. Lets hope the grand jury has the ability to review Darren Wilson’s medical records.

  • TheProudDuck Newport Beach, CA
    Aug. 22, 2014 1:31 p.m.

    OneWife: Specifically, that Michael Brown has no *adult* arrest record. Local authorities are refusing to release his *juvenile* arrest record (where the arrests would be, considering he'd just turned 18). Journalists have sued to force their production.

    By the way, your star witness? The acquaintance of Brown's who said he was shot in the back (the holes are all in front, btw)? Convicted previously of lying to police.

    Why is truth not one of your primary values?

    A relative of people in my church congregation (all white) was recently shot dead by the California Highway Patrol, under hazy circumstances. No riots, no mention in the international press. You don't know a thing about it. Ask yourself why that is.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Aug. 22, 2014 2:30 p.m.

    To "OneWifeOnly" ok, and even if he doesn't have a broken eye socket, how do you think he ended up with a swollen face? Did he trip and run into Brown's fist? If a person is that willing to attack a uniformed police officer, should they be treated like a misbehaving 3 year old or should the police officer be concerned for their wellbeing?

  • OneWifeOnly San Diego, CA
    Aug. 22, 2014 4:51 p.m.

    @TheProudDuck:
    We can’t get the truth from Ferguson Police department. Have you seen the official police report about the incident that was released today? No statements from witnesses. No statement from the officer. No drawings or discussion about where the officer’s car was located at the time of the shooting in relation to the victim. No discussion about where bullet casings were located in relation to the car or to the victim. All the “truth” we now know is the time of the shooting, the amount of time that elapsed before the officer called it in and the amount of time that elapsed between the dispatch and the arrival of the homicide department on the scene. If this officer was truly savagely beaten as Fox News would want us to believe, then why not include that information in the police report since it would help the officer’s case? My star witness is the camera phone video of the officer wandering around Michael Brown’s body –face/eye socket doesn't look bruised/bloodied/blown out to me.
    By comparison, when I needed police and other first responders they have always arrived in under 5 minutes or less.

  • OneWifeOnly San Diego, CA
    Aug. 22, 2014 4:52 p.m.

    @Redshirt1701:
    I don’t think we know yet that Brown had a swollen face. I also don’t think we know yet that Brown attacked the officer. All we know officially at this point is from the release of a nearly blank police report. We also know some news outlets are creating news out of thin air –i.e., no blown eye socket. What else has Fox News made up? I wouldn't treat any misbehaving 3 year old with the end of a rifle, would you?

  • Pops NORTH SALT LAKE, UT
    Aug. 23, 2014 5:09 a.m.

    @OneWifeOnly

    It looks to me like a lot of people are making stuff up to suit their own agenda. The correct response is for everybody to sit back and chill while the authorities figure out what happened, not riot in the streets.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 23, 2014 11:44 a.m.

    @OneWifeOnly:
    "Because in this country, people are innocent until proven guilty."

    Not necessarily so... if there were 12 jurists in the court of law who were of the kid's same race, there's a ninety nine percent chance he would be found not guilty of robbing a store and accosting the store clerk but the video and testimony from the clerk shows that he did.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 25, 2014 3:56 p.m.

    Actually this is a good article by Jan. It is correct that Fergeson has not done itself proud in the national spot light nor has the state of Missouri. What we have seen play out on national TV is a disgrace to America - a 21st century lynch mob and all the ugliness that ususally accompanies it. We have seen race hustlers like Sharpton trying to make money off the situation and we have seen disgraceful comments from both the governor and a state house member throwing the justice system out the window and demanding revenge of their perceived account of the incident. We have heard the term justice used often but it is revenge that is actually sought after. I think that all fair minded people of all races want to see a truthful investigation take place where both the Brown family and the Police can make their case and present their evidence...and this will take time.