Great news. Hope to see similar games in October and November. Thanks Tom.
This will probably be totally awesome.
Meanwhile, Utah fans get to enjoy home and homes with teams like Washington too.
That's way cool!Go Utes!
What? A home and home? Didn't the Huskies get the memo the mighty utes and
their pseudo AD Chris B are requesting a 2-1? Lol
That is a good series to get. Chris Peterson is a great coach and has a quality
program. This is a great series for both schools. Congrats BYU
Meanwhile, according to Holmoe today, Notre Dame is not going to complete their
series of games with BYU. Only two were played, both in South Bend. Ouch!!
So, in 2019 BYU's home schedule includes Washington, Wisconsin, Boise State
and USC so far. With away games at Virginia and Washington State it is looking
like a good year! But, then time will tell, things can change a lot over a short
time.I am pleasantly surprised that BYU has been able to schedule so
many good teams as an independent, this year's relatively weaker schedule
not withstanding. It is certainly better than if BYU had stayed with the
Mountain (really a defunct molehill of a TV channel)!
Solid series. BYU may not be playing 9-10 games per season against P5 opponents
but they are playing more of them then they would if they had remained in the
MWC, and they are playing them all over the country which gives their national
fan base more opportunity to see them play in person. BYU is making the best of
the situation they find themselves in and Tom Holmoe deserves a lot of praise
How can this be? I thought BYU football was going to cancelled at the end of
Nicely done BYU. Washington also scheduled a home and home series with Michigan.
@ Chris BGosh we all wish you could play RB for BYU this year. It
makes sense, what with your obsession with BYU. Also, as a player, when you
refer to a football team as "we" or "us", it would actually make
sense. Stay classy Chris.
Very nice! Go Cougars.Where's @ChrisB for all this?
@Dutchman, Holmoe did not say that Notre Dame is not going to complete the
series. As a matter of fact, he stated that he and the ND AD are talking on the
phone and trying to figure out how to make the series happen. According to Jeff
Call's report, "Holmoe said series with Notre Dame is in question right
now, but is hoping things will work out."Yes, the series may be
in "question" but it does not say it will not happen. They may work out
a deal with only 2 of the 4 games or something similar. I think that Holmoe and
Swarbick will work some magic and come up with something for both teams.
Spokane UteSpokane, WA"Nicely done BYU. Washington also
scheduled a home and home series with Michigan."Therefore, BYU =
Michigan? Oh, stop, you're making me blush!
Pretty good series. Chris Peterson must really love playing BYU.
Ah yes, another one-and-done disguised as a one-and-one. We've seen this
show before: BYU schedules a "one-and-one" to save face, the first game
is played at the P5 school, and they quietly buy out the return trip - thereby
turning it into a de-facto one-and-done.In other news, today Notre
Dame announced that they are buying out the Provo legs of that series, so BYU
will play twice in South Bend but Notre Dame isn't coming to LES. So that
one-and-one just became a two-and-done.
By 2018 Chris Peterson will have the Huskies flying pretty high and this will be
a big game up in Seattle. Much more prestigious than playing a pac bottom
dweller. We won't mention names. Good job Holmoe!!
Tom in CA Go ahead and mention the Cal Bears; it's OK.
@ Brave Sir Robin, where's your proof that ND bought out the series? I
have seen nothing that says the series is dead. I have seen quotes that the
Holmoe and Swarbick are talking and want the series to continue but I can't
find one article that there is "other news".
So far BYU is averaging 4.75 games against Power conference oppenents (including
Notre Dame) since going indie:2011 - 5 (Ole Miss, Texas, Utah,
Oregon St, TCU) 2012 - 5 (Washington St, Utah, Oregon St, Notre Dame,
Georgia Tech) 2013 - 6 (Virginia, Texas, Utah, Georgia Tech, Wisconsin,
Notre Dame) 2014 - 3 (Texas, Virginia, Cal)Admittedly, this
season is light on Power conference opponents, but they are still above their
average of 2 BCS opponents when they played in the MWC, and they have an
infinitely better TV deal with most of their games now being played on ESPN.
@Tom in CAbyu does play Cal this year, I guess no prestige there?
timid sparrowkinda like the 2-for-none Utah scheduled with Michigan
- two in a row at Michigan, and then Michigan quietly buys out the return game
to Utah after Michigan discovers that Utah plays in a crack box sized stadiumgotta luv how our jealous little friends on the hill simply make stuff
up in order to help themselves sleep at night
My hunch is numerous PAC schools are looking at BYU the same way Utah is looking
at Fresno this year: a better-than-average non-P5 school that helps prepare for
the PAC-12 grind, or provides a break in the middle of the schedule. (Fresno
went 10-2 last year, playing two P5 schools, by the way. Pretty good
record.)The PAC has a nine game league schedule, so playing BYU
doesn't really hurt their strength of schedule. The ACC and SEC only play
8 league games, so they're required to schedule an additional P5 team.BYU will either be very competitive, beating PAC schools the way Utah
used to load up to play PAC schools, or the difference in tiers in college ball
will start to become manifested, and BYU will lose most of their PAC
matchups.Based on how much the PAC improved from Utah's first
year (2011), and Utah's record against BYU the last 15 years, I would say
BYU will find out PAC schools are no longer anything like the schools they used
to beat in their glory days. It will become proof of the separation in college
10CC"I would say BYU will find out PAC schools are no longer
anything like the schools they used to beat in their glory days."Glory Days?As in, since 2006?You mean like the Oregon
team BYU demolished 38-8 in 2006 or the Oregon State team BYU demolished 44-20
in 2009 or the Washington team BYU beat in 2010, all better than any PAC 12 team
Utah has beaten on the road since joining the PAC 12.It's
amazing how little Utah fans actually know about the team they're so
CougsndawgsWest Point , UTWhat? A home and home? Didn't the
Huskies get the memo the mighty utes and their pseudo AD Chris B are requesting
a 2-1? Lol------------Proof... that despite their ad
nauseum claims at every turn that BYU fans never ever ever think much about the
Utes, Utah is indeed living rent-free inside their heads.And
don't come back with "I was just addressing the other Ute posters,"
because there wasn't a single mention of the Utes before you piped in with
that little jealousy-filled remark.LOL
@ TrueBlueBYU didn't beat any of those teams on the road. Your
point is disingenuous.
BYU now has enough Pac-12 games on the schedule to gain more Pac-12 wins than
the Utes over the next 5 years!
"BYU didn't beat any of those teams on the road. Your point is
disingenuous."2 of the games mentioned were bowl games, so they
while they technically weren't road games, they certainly weren't home
spokane ute and red - Clarification:utah is the bottom
dweller I was referring to.
Something Utah could never have pulled off if they hadnt been sucked in by the
Texas rejection vortex.
TrueBlue:Don't ask Utah fans. Ask TCU fans...is playing week
after week in a P5 conference more difficult than loading up against P5 teams a
few times a year while they were in the MWC? (You remember TCU, the other team
in the MWC that regularly owned once-mighty BYU).Utah has gone 9-18
in the PAC. TCU has gone 6-12 in the Big-12 in their two years in that league.
BYU has gone 4-10 vs P5 competition since 2011, while not having to play a P5
conference schedule. They had every reason to beat those P5 teams, but mostly
didn't.Utah fans have seen the PAC of 2011 get considerably
tougher since bringing in a number of upper tier coaches. The PAC is considered
by most knowledgeable observers to be the 2nd strongest conference, after the
SEC.In the thinking of BYU fans, they're superior to the vast
majority of schools because BYU has a superior "program", but when you
talk about actual on-the-field results, BYU fans clam up.Utah has
owned BYU, but we've struggled in the PAC. How would you
possibly do better?
So we add Washington to the schedule and utah hunts out the likes of Idaho state
for their optional games. Lol
Great series with a REAL PAC team! However, I disagree that Washington will be
great under Chris until he proves it. Some coaches go to bigger schools and
fail miserably. Washington has had a lot of coaches over the last few years so
we'll see if Chris is even there still when BYU plays them.Favorite BYU-Washington moment: BYU is the clear and obvious winner of the NC
and Washington says they would destroy BYU given the chance. BYU pastes the tar
out of them the next year 31-3. Best silencer ever!
LOL at all of the chest beating about scheduling a Pac12 team!You
guys are adorable.
Tommy:"Jealousy-filled" remark? LOL is right. How exactly does my
ribbing Chris B back (who's comment was removed) represent jealousy in any
form? How does calling out ute fans who "ad nauseum claim at every turn"
that BYU can't get home and homes with good power 5 teams equal jealousy?
There's nothing about Utah I'm jealous about...I can't speak for
other BYU fans but Utah has nothing to cause me jealousy.
This is more great news for cougar fans. The Y just keeps adding pac 11.5 teams
without actually be a member of the conference. In addition they get to continue
playing other teams from all across the nation for exposure instead of just
playing in like a 2 state region every year . The Y is going to be just fine
moving forward and you can mark that down !
@ MortoonReally? Utah's schedule blows BYU away, and it's
not close.Also, if you want to mock Utah for scheduling a gimme win
against ISU, lets not forget the games BYU scheduled against Idaho (twice),
Hawaii (twice), New Mexico St (twice)., San Jose St. (twice), MTSU (twice),
Idaho St. (twice), Weber St., UVA (twice), UCONN, UNLV, and Savannah St.
@ taylormade1Yeah, who needs that pesky revenue boost, quality bowl
tie-ins, and the security of knowing that you're on the inside of the CFB
transformation? Don't kid yourself. You and the vast majority of
BYU's fan base would trade independence for a spot in the PAC-12 or BIG-12
in a heartbeat.
This is a very smart move by Holmoe to continue to schedule upper tier teams
from the pac 12 to boost the Y,s SOS each year. I really think that it would be
in the Y,s best interest to buy out the 2 upcoming scheduled games with the U
and not schedule any more games with them until they can prove that they belong
in the pac12. Too much to lose and really not to gain at the moment by playing
them. That is just a fact .
10CCWho cares what TCU has done since joining the Big 12.The same Texas team that was stomped by BYU 40-21, destroyed TCU 30-7.Either BYU has gotten a whole lot better as an Independent, or TCU has
gotten a whole lot worse as a P5.Unfortunately for U, it
doesn't matter how tough your schedule is, if you can't beat
anybody.Losing to good teams, especially during the regular season,
doesn't mean anything.
"LOL at all of the chest beating about scheduling a Pac12 team!You guys are adorable."Cougar fans are glad to see Washington
on the schedule, but what you mistake for "chest beating" is actually
BYU fans rubbing it in to the faces of those Ute fans who claimed that BYU
couldn't get home and home series with PAC teams (even stating that Utah is
above home and homes with BYU).Kind of like when Ute fans were
talking trash about WCC teams in the NIT last year. They certainly can dish it
out but they can't take it.
@Brave Sir Robin"We've seen this show before: BYU schedules
a "one-and-one" to save face, the first game is played at the P5 school,
and they quietly buy out the return trip".Please give me an
example of this. We have played one-and-done's before, like last year
against Wisconsin, but that was the plan from the start. Give me a time where it
was a home-and-home where the game in Provo was bought out.As for
the Notre Dame thing, I never found any announcement that the deal is off. There
is news that the deal is in jeopardy, but that's it.Show me
where to go to see if the Notre Dame thing is true. And even if it is, give me
an example of a home-and-home buyout in the past.
Chris B's philosophy is that P5 teams are too good for mid-majors to
schedule a home-and-home. They have to schedule a 2-for-1.Interesting that utah's series with NIU, San Jose State and Fresno State
directly contradict this.Also interesting that BYU's series
with utah, UCLA and Washington directly contradict it as well.There
are plenty of 2-for-1 deals out there.But to say that is how things
always go between a P5 and non-P5 is ridiculous.
I realize critics of BYU will be critics no matter what... but, logical people
must look at anything they judge and say, "compared to what?" BYU's
schedule now is much better than most of the years in the WAC and then MWC.
That's a fact.Would BYU love to get into a Power 5 conference?
Of course, but not at all costs. Where there are is good, but a P5 with
reasonable condition would be better.Is Utah better off being in the
PAC 12? I agree that it is more fun to have the schedule they have now rather
than the boring games with Wyo, CSU, UNLV, etc. although Utah lost a bunch of
those games. But what dynamic is gothe U to allow them to attract the kind of
talent needed? I love the state of Utah, but a kid of Cali is going to first
look at USC, UCLA, and Stanford, and maybe soon CAL. Or Oregon or OSU or the
Washingtons. So chill out critics and deal with these realities. I
hope both schools keep making improvements but I suspect BYU has the better
chance to improve in that it's a destination school.
10CC: "Utah has gone 9-18 in the PAC. TCU has gone 6-12 in the Big-12 in
their two years in that league. BYU has gone 4-10 vs P5 competition since 2011,
while not having to play a P5 conference schedule. They had every reason to beat
those P5 teams, but mostly didn't."You have used good logic
on this article, but this comment has one glaring omission, something you
didn't consider: BYU has not had the advantage that TCU and Utah have in
the recruiting realm. Give us a couple years in the week to week grind as a P5
with that kind of recruiting power and we'll surprise you. We start to
maybe get those 5 or 6 LDS stand-outs (even pre-mission) that have been enticed
away by the glory of "big time football". We would probably hold our
own. Who knows really? You or I don't, for sure.Go BYU.
It's funny how the byu fans run out on the street and shoot off fireworks
every time holmoe schedules a game.taylormade1,Look at
your schedule without Utah on it.
taylormade 1:I for once actually mostly agree with what you said.
There is too much to lose when byu plays Utah. ..well...because byu keeps losing
to Utah every time they play. byu should also buy out the remaining
games with Utah. At least that would be a start to repay Utah for all of the BCS
money the Utes earned for byu over the past decade (can't thank byu for
returning the BCS favor). But then again, if byu were to buy out,
they would have to do the same with TCU. But I'm pretty sure Holmoe and the
cougs don't want to end up as a bug splat on the Horned Frog windshield
again. byu already gets enough of that when the Utes are generous enough to
squeeze them into their busy schedule.
Riverton Cougar"Cougar fans are glad to see Washington on the
schedule, but what you mistake for "chest beating" is actually BYU fans
rubbing it in to the faces of those Ute fans who claimed that BYU couldn't
get home and home series with PAC teams (even stating that Utah is above home
and homes with BYU)."Well said.
@TomYour home town Cal Bears are the true bottom dweller; dead last
in the PAC 12. Nice try though.Again, nice job of scheduling by BYU;
the last time they came to Seattle made for a very interesting contest. Ref:
Jake Locker spikes the ball.
ArgoFYBYU has been subsidizing Utah football for decades.Nearly every sellout in RES from the mid-70s to the mid-2000's was
directly attributable to BYU fans flocking to RES to watch their Cougars.The Lion's share of bowl revenue that Utah received from the
mid-70's to the mid-90's was directly attributable to BYU's
perennial bowl partipation.And don't kid yourself about
Utah's bcs bonanza. By the time Utah's bcs money was distributed
amongst all of the mid-majors (yes, the MWC had to share with C-USA and others),
the amount that BYU received was a meer pitance, far less than BYU receives for
one game in LES.
ekuteIt's hilarious how Utah fans scream in panic and run to
the blogs to perform damage control every time BYU makes a scheduling
twofer"Utah's schedule blows BYU away, and it's not
close."Unfortunately for U, Utah's record versus schedule
doesn't blow anybody away.BYU's 8-5 record and bowl game
versus the #38 SOS blows away Utah's 5-7 record and no bowl
game versus a Top 10 SOSbtw, along with the AP and Coaches polls,
Sagarin also has #35 BYU ranked well ahead of #48 Utah in his preseason
rankings. Sagarin also has BYU ranked ahead of #39 TCU.We know that
its a bitter pill to swallow, but becoming a P5 bottom dweller, hasn't
impressed anybody in the national media.Keep beating your chests
about a few narrow head-to-head victories over BYU if that helps you sleep at
night, but even that's about to change. As many Utah fans have stated,
things are cyclical. Utah's recent advantage in winning 8 of the 14
extremely close games in the past 17 years will swing back in BYU's
favor.You do realize, don't you, that if BYU had won the 1-,
3-, and 7-point games in 2010, 2012, and 2013, that Bronco would currently hold
a 6-3 advantage over Kyle, and BYU would hold a 9-8 advantage over Utah during
the last 17 years.
@Riverton CougarWe can take it. Saint Mary's beat us fair and
square. See how easy it is to give the other taem credit when they beat you? You
might want to give it a try some time.
@taylormade1Please push that idea. Begin a petition and get
thousands of like minded byu fans to sign it. But instead of waiting until Utah
proves they are worthy, demand that there is never again any sporting
competition between Utah and BYU. We, the drunken slobs on the hill, are not
worthy competition for byu. When there are no more games between the two
schools then you can thump your chests and self aggrandize the superiority of
byu. The results of competitions would not get in the way of your fallacy.As for me, I am looking forward to the day when Utah never plays byu
again and that day is coming.
@10CCGood luck trying to group Utah with TCU. In reality, they are
diverging programs.Both did go through growing pains, but TCU's
recruiting hung steadily in the 30s and low 40s nationally, and they are
mid-level performers that will likely break into the Big 12 upper division this
year.Utah's piteously short Pac12 recruiting honeymoon ended
two seasons ago after their recruiting peaked in the upper 30s for their best
class. Since then, your recruiting has gone on life support, cratering last
year into the high 60s, finishing worse than BYU per the 247 composite listing.
You are currently running below BYU for 2015 (YTD commitments) as well, at #67
(BYU is #62), and you have been shut out of the state's Top-5 recruits, as
have we. That does not spell "breakout" for Utah anytime soon, and any
similarity between your program and TCU will vanish by year-end. And, please, don't blame it on the schedule. One can't consistently
recruit in the 60s and play in the Top-25. That's the same tune we played
until we (finally) started to recruit a little bit last year. No one's
going anywhere without talent on the sidelines.
@Marked it DownAre you serious? Had they won 2010,2012,2013... Here
is a woulda,shoulda,coulda for ya'. In 2011 had byu scored 6 more
touchdowns with pats, you still would have lost! However, if there were 7 more
touchdowns and pats, byu would have won! Then you could have a streak of 4 in a
row 10,11,12,13; but that one belongs to the Utes.
10CC-- I don't really see a BYU "superiority" attitude as I do one
of loyal fans defending their team against constant condescending attacks from
an old rival's fans who still can't seem to move on in spite of claims
Argo, Here is a perfect example of what i am suggesting using your team
the U as an example.A couple of years ago the U canceled their upcoming
scheduled games with "mid-major" Boise State.Now why to you honestly
think that this was an easy decision to make ? Let me answer that point blank
for you, because Boise state has owned Utah in that series history.I think they
have like a 4-5 win streak going against the u and most of those games have not
even been close ! so you go ahead and use any spin on this you want but that is
the stone cold truth.I am admitting that the U has had the upper hand on the Y
the last several years for whatever the reason.I am just stating that the Y
would get no more credit in the national media eyes by beating the U than they
will if they beat Cal. this year.you have nothing to gain by beating bottom
feeders but everything to lose if you get beat by them.
Was at Husky Stadium the last time the Blue Cougs showed up and beat the
Huskies. I plan on being at the next one. I like Chris Peterson. Makes it
harder to dislike the Dawgs now.
taylormade1,Not even if the Utes went 0-12 would mr. holmoe be in a
position to make demands on Dr. Hill.
ek, pretty good bet that if/when the kids from the hill go 0-12 Dr. Hill
won't be there to make demands on anyway.
SpokaneUte - See how easy it is to give the other team credit when they beat
you?I think the comment was referring to all the disrespect before
and during the first half of the NIT game that Ute fans were spewing towards St.
Mary's and the WCC in general. You can go back and reference those 'in
game' comments if you need a refresher. The tone of Ute 'fan'
comments changed 180 degrees from the 1st half to the end of the game and for
several days afterwards.I'm pretty sure that when the bare
bottom spanking of the utes was complete in the 2nd half it wasn't near as
easy to swallow and give credit for as you are depicting it to be.
Christine B. Hedgefog,Doesn't matter, byu will never be in a
position to make scheduling demands on Utah.
ek, I'm guessing BYU has never made scheduling demands on Dr. Hill. A
'fan' saying something about it here doesn't make it so. Putting
credibility in a fan's so called 'demand' here is equivalent to
Chris B endlessly clamoring a 2 for 1 from Dr. Hill on BYU - in this
lifetime...also something that utah will never be in a position to do, their
position annually near the bottom of the PAC notwithstanding.
ekute&81ute,I would love to see a schedule year in and year out
without the u on it.Instead seeing teams such as Texas,Oklahoma,Notre
Dame,Wisconsin,Michigan, Nebraska,Florida State, Central Florida,Texas A&M
,etc... and of course upper tier teams from the Pac12 as well as Boise
State(nope, the Y is not afraid to schedule these guys). Then schedule 1 instate
team a year and that would be Utah State for the time being with their up and
coming football program.I am pretty sure i do not stand alone on this idea.
@10CC ".....blah blah..Utah has owned BYU, but we've struggled in the
PAC. How would you possibly do better? "Answer: BYU coaches and
players realized that the game against utah is just one game in the season. They
don't make the mistake of establishing one game as the foundation of the
entire campaign. As a result they move on from a usually very slim loss to the
mighty ewe, and have a good season. utah doesn't. But U guys
feel that a very narrow victory in the one game is the watermark of a good year
regardless of the fact that the ute lockers are all cleaned out during bowl
season.Now that is good comedy.
well said surf is up,very well said !
I like reading the banter between the two fan bases. I am one fan that will give
the Utes their due for owning the Cougars lately. However, (I know) anyone who
is connected to reality knows who the alpha male (or filet mignon) program in
the state of Utah is. It is down in Provo and once Ute fans come to grips with
it, they can be comfortable as bottom dwellers in the Pac-12 without invading
BYU article comment pages.
2fer"Also, if you want to mock Utah for scheduling a gimme win
against ISU, lets not forget the games BYU scheduled against Idaho (twice),
Hawaii (twice), New Mexico St (twice)., San Jose St. (twice), MTSU (twice),
Idaho St. (twice), Weber St., UVA (twice), UCONN, UNLV, and Savannah St."In the first three years of independence BYU had few options for
scheduling in the short term. You knew that. Your criticism has zero merit.BYU will play independent football and improve its schedule as it can
despite all the naysaying from the peanut gallery. Holmoe is delivering on his
promise.What have the Utes done lately? Broken tradition, alienated
itself from long time rivalries, and continues to shrink in stature in the
state.Way to represent.
@ sammygI do know that. However, I hope you are reasonable enough
to agree that a BYU fan calling out Utah for scheduling a weak opponent is
nothing short of ridiculous. Just realize that any scheduling criticism from
BYU is launched from inside a glass house.If it were up to me, Utah
and BYU would have moved to the PAC-12 together and the rivalry would have
continued without missing a beat. Unfortunately, that's not how it played
out and Utah is in a tough spot because it only has three non-conf. games.
Playing 8 games inside the state every year is not great for recruiting. In a
perfect world, Utah would be able to play the Cougs and U-State every year, but
that just isn't a realistic expectation with the current landscape of CFB.
@ Surf is Up"They don't make the mistake of establishing
one game as the foundation of the entire campaign."Neither does
Utah; they have just been the better team lately. BYU moves on from the loss to
playing mid-level mid majors and usually an FCS team. Utah moves on from the
win and lines up against the likes of Stanford, Oregon, USC, ASU, etc. Not
really an apples to apples comparison. Also, just so there is no
misunderstanding, BYU is, at best, Utah's 10th most important game.
Reality check for BYU and Utah. Neither team has proven anything the last few
years! In addition, in order for each team to make a statement both natural
rivals(if they are going to remain viable rivals) need to be strong programs. As
examples Oklahoma-Texas, Alabama-Auburn, Florida-Florida State-Miami.
Georgia-Florida, Alabama-LSU, Ohio State-Michigan, Notre Dame- USC, Notre Dame-
Stanford, USC-UCLA etc.... Both BYU and Utah are in a rut! Also, not playing
each other costs both teams as well in that a plane flight is needed vs a bus
ride! Keeping perspective helps as well. Utah has two BSC bowl victories. To
build tradition Utah and BYU need to start winning against major competition
whether in a conference or not. For example: Oklahoma;7 National Championships
and 31 major bowl appearances! Notre dame 9 National Championships! Home and
Home series are built through respect and TV audience as well as seats sold. A
stronger Utah helps BYU asd does a stronger BYU help Utah giving each team
another ranked opponent! Both teams need each other as does USU.
Lastly beating the P5 senario is easy: A non P5 school needs to win the 4 team
As always, BYU plays the first game away...
wer:"As always, BYU plays the first game away..."Washington also scheduled a home and home versus Michigan with the first game
being away for Michigan, in Seattle. I guess Michigan should feel dissed and
slighted too? Doesn't matter if it starts home or away, unless you're
a ute fan trying desperately to spin this in favor of the crimson-goggled
philosophy that BYU isn't respected enough to get home and homes with good
@werThe way these work with pac12 teams is that BYU is helping to
fill a scheduling gap created by the Stanford/USC games with Notre Dame. That
creates certain scheduling gaps for all of the other pac12 teams based on
whether or not they play USC or Stanford in that same year and when their games
with Notre Dame fall in the schedule (usually later in the season). So the gap
is created by that game and BYU fills the gap that year then gets the return
trip from the pac12 team in a later year because the previous years schedules
are already in place.It has very little to do with who gets the
first home game other than that and frankly who gets the first home game really
doesn't matter. You utah "fans" are trying to manufacture an issue
that doesn't exist and trying to say all of these schools are going to
cancel the return trip to BYU which of course they aren't because these
games fill a shceduling need for them both.It really is a stupid
"point" utah "fans" are trying, and failing, to make.
Some hilarity from the ESPN pac12 blog by Ted Miller talking about conference
"winners" and "losers" from expansion."That
judgment? Things worked out well for the SEC and Big Ten. Not so much for the
Pac-12 and Big 12...The Pac-12? It raided the Big 12 for Colorado, which went
5-7 and 2-6 in 2010, and the Mountain West for Utah, which went 10-3, 7-1 that
year. Neither has matched its 2010 records in the Pac-12 nor posted a winning
record in conference play. The Buffaloes have gone a meager 4-23 against Pac-12
foes, while the Utes have gone from 4-5 to 3-6 to 2-7 in conference
games....gaining ground on the SEC, and the Big Ten has stagnated by
comparison...or even grouse about poor-to-middling results from the new members,
it's fair to say the short-term gain in terms of assets on Saturdays has
been slight...As assets, Colorado and Utah don't attract national
eyeballs...here's a guess that the folks most eager for the Buffs and Utes
to help the Pac-12 feel good about its expansion choices are the fans,
administrators, players and coaches associated with both programs.
@Two For Flinching "...blah blah blah.....BYU is, at best, Utah's 10th
most important game."Keep telling yourself that. Apparently even
you don't believe that. It explains a great deal as to why you are one of
the most incessant posters to articles about BYU. You have this pressing,
urgent need for somebody, anybody, even yourself to believe that utes are
relevant. In their conference, or on the national stage.Not really.
Two For Flinching"Also, just so there is no misunderstanding, BYU is,
at best, Utah's 10th most important game.Is that why you rushed
the field three times in one game?
@ Surf is UpThe rivalry is still alive, and BYU is a prominent local
team so obviously there is interest in what happens in Provo. However, if Utah
loses to BYU, nothing happens. In fact, Utah could lose all three non-conf.
games and they would still be eligible to play in the Rose Bowl, or any other
PAC-12 bowl tie-in for that matter. Conf. games are by far the most important
regular season games, and I think you know that. Also, I think you
are way off the mark with your accusation of my "pressing, urgent need."
When Utah starts winning, they will be relevant on the national scene again,
until then I'm going to continue cheering for my alma mater while we build
to the level we need to be. I don't care if you think Utah is relevant or
Who cares what happened after your fraudulent 84' title. Washington won the
title a few years later.Utah is an a P5 Conference, you are not.BYU
struggles to fill out its schedule. Utah only needs to fill up 3 slots every
season.We have yet to see how the new playoff format will work. BYU
fans should be very cautious. You just might see future agreements with schools
go bye bye and cancelled. We already know some P5 conferences regard you as
mid-major and not worth the time. The PAC-12 could always change it mind and
follow the other conferences.---------StrikerOmaha, NEGreat series with a REAL PAC team! However, I disagree that
Washington will be great under Chris until he proves it. Some coaches go to
bigger schools and fail miserably. Washington has had a lot of coaches over the
last few years so we'll see if Chris is even there still when BYU plays
them.Favorite BYU-Washington moment: BYU is the clear and obvious
winner of the NC and Washington says they would destroy BYU given the chance.
BYU pastes the tar out of them the next year 31-3. Best silencer ever!
Great series for BYU. From what I understand BYU can choose to not take the
money and teams who have contracts would need to fulfill them just like any
other contract. BYU has been nice enough to let people out of contracts in the
past. As far as the 2 for 1 with Utah.... Never going to happen. If Utah chooses
to push for that then the series can die.
WACpaddledThe only thing "fraudulent" about 1984 is the
jealous whining of the kids on the hill that BYU accomplished something that
their perennially mediocre program could never accomplish in their wildest
dreams.Unlike BYU, which won a consensus national championship, #1
in both major polls, Washington's championship was a shared championship -
the Huskies only finished #1 in one poll.The idea that the P5s will
ever adopt an all P5 vs P5 schedule is ludicrous. Too many of the big boys like
the idea of having 7 homes games, which would be impossible with an all P5
schedule, unless P5 bottom feeders like Utah were willing to play 7 road games.
For the life of me I cannot understand some Cougar fans' logic. Maybe
someone on this board can help me out. A few Cougar fans love to
talk about Utah as the "cellar dweller" that they aren't or
commonly refer to the conference as the Pac 10.2 or 11.5 or whatever else fits.
Cal and Colorado have assumed those roles nicely. Utah has never once been the
worst team in the Pac. You guys just don't do your research or what? And if
Utah is such a "cellar dweller" what does it say about a team like BYU
that year after year is incapable of beating such a team and in the not so
distant past was absolutely been pounded by said team on it's own turf?It's all very contradicting and confusing. Maybe someone can help a
poor, confused man. Congrats on the UW arrangement.
redthunderIt's simple:BYU will be playing in their
10th straight bowl game come bowl week 2014.Utah will be playing in their
3rd straight couch potato bowl.One 1-, 3- or 7-point victory does
not a season define.Utah hasn't had a winning conference season
since joining the PAC 12 - 4-5, 3-6, 2-7, 9-18 overall; that's as cellar
dweller as it gets. Just because you have company doesn't mean you're
not still in the cellar.
@ SportsFanNot even sure what to say to the first part of that
response. Are you even aware of the discrepancy between the two team's
schedules? I guess under that logic Utah should bolt for the Big Sky. Undefeated
seasons every year. Utes would be even better than Bama!You're
absolutely right about the second part. Those victories don't define the
season. No one ever said they did. However, 9 out of 12 sure defines the
direction of the rivalry wouldn't you say?Okay, so if you is in
the cellar, which they aren't, what does it say about the Y?
redthunderActually 14 of the last 17 games being decided by a
touchdown or less in the closing minutes or in overtime defines the
"direction of the rivalry", which is, extremely competitive, with the
Utes managing to win a slight 8 to 6 majority of those 14 games that could have
easily gone the other way.What is says about BYU is that even with a
few tough losses to Utah, BYU has still been able to have more ranked, bowl
qualifying seasons and win more conference championships during the Bronco/Kyle
era, than Utah.AP Top 25 FinishesBronco 4Kyle 211+ Win SeasonsBronco 3Kyle 1Conference
ChampionshipsBronco 2Kyle 1Bowl GamesBronco 9Kyle 7
@ FaxThe Holy War is becoming less and less competitive. Proof:2011: Complete meltdown. Never have I seen a team so flustered and
eventually give up. 2012 : BYU is ranked in the top 25 and the Utes
had just come off a heartbreaking loss to the Aggies. Not to mention the team
has lost it's starting QB. Yet Utah STILL beats BYU and if it hadn't
been for blown coverage on 4th and forever the game would have been a lot
uglier. 2013: BYU destroys Texas and has a bye week to prepare for
the Utes. Plus the game is in LES. Utah loses a heartbreaker to Oregon State. As
a Ute I thought for sure we were in trouble. Still BYU loses.Utah
finds a way to win. Period. BYU fails to capitalize on golden opportunities to
win. I'm seeing a trend.
As far as the stats go those are impressive accomplishments by Mendenhall and
BYU. Mendenhall is a good coach and the right guy for BYU, IMO. Comparing BYU
and Utah stats is completely irrelevant. That may have been an effective
measuring stick 4 years ago when both teams competed against the same teams, but
is now inaccurate. In it's current situation BYU, and it's
fans, will likely never have to worry whether their team qualifies for a bowl or
has X amount of 10+ win seasons. Not the case for Utes. And I wouldn't have
it any other way. I've been a season ticket holder for many years and these
past few have been some of the most exciting, even with losing seasons. Much
more fun watching my team match up against the elite even though the result is
usually a L. Congrats on another ten win season and bowl game. Be
sure to cheer extra loud for me against the mighty Tigers of Savannah State on