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Michael Gerson: Rand Paul's bogus outreach

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  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 19, 2014 12:37 a.m.

    I don't see Rand Paul ever getting the Republican nomination, not because of anything mentioned in this piece, but because his foreign policy is diametrically opposed to the policy choices of virtually all Republicans. If all you knew about Sen. Paul was his foreign and military policy positions, you would think he must be an ultra liberal Democrat, certainly far to the left of Hillary Clinton.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Aug. 19, 2014 4:46 a.m.

    "Why should Republicans engage in outreach to African-Americans, even though the level of suspicion is so high and the yield in votes is likely to be so low?"

    Really? They need to ask?

    How about, Because it's the right thing to do?

    Because when elected, you represent all people. Your policies affect everyone. Not just those who voted for you.

  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    Aug. 19, 2014 8:06 a.m.

    Since the takeover of the Republican Tea Party by the "bubba" element of the South, it will be impossible for any Republican/Tea Party candidate to garner the votes of almost any minority.

    Applying a bit of cosmetilogical legerdemain to a porcine mammal, does not turn said mammal into anything different than it is.

    The Republican/Tea Party will have to remain the party of old, white, largely conservative, religionists.

  • SharpHooks Lake Sammamish, WA
    Aug. 19, 2014 8:18 a.m.

    Seriously....is there ANY republican possible candidate who even stands a chance for Pres?
    There aren't any on the horizon...except maybe Huntsman, and he, word has it, doesn't want to be President.

  • Light and Liberty St. George/Washington, UT
    Aug. 19, 2014 8:41 a.m.

    The progressives just don't know what to do with that part of America that disagrees with their view that everything should be free and government needs to take away individual rights for the good of the whole. In other words, the progressives can't reach their Utopia with those who can actually think for themselves and just want the government to protect them in their rights guaranteed under the Constitution (which, by the way, is a hindrance to progressives). I don't agree with everything that Paul stands for, but I sure as heck support his desire to protect my Constitutional rights, which is the real reason progressives dislike him. This author would do better by just stating what he believes, rather than waxing philosophical about a political leader that is really good about stating what he believes. If the progressives would just clear their muddled heads enough to come to terms with what they really want,then state it, I would be open to listen to them. Until then, give me what the Constitution guarantees me and leave me alone. I will be a good neighbor as well, something progressives only know by government delegation.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Aug. 19, 2014 9:03 a.m.

    Whenever I need a good laugh, I'll read post from a regressive who rambles on and on about how Rand Paul will protect his Constitutional rights and about how anybody who disagrees with his/her point of view is nothing more than a free-loading progressive. Hilarious.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Aug. 19, 2014 9:05 a.m.

    " their view that everything should be free and government needs to take away individual rights for the good of the whole."

    I hope that you dont really think that. But, it is a nice, partisan box to put people in.

    There are plenty of "progressives" that are quite wealthy and dont need the free stuff you talk about.

    In the end, our deficit is driven by SS, Medicare and Defense. And I can assure you that a good number of conservatives are partaking of SS and Medicare and scream loudly if we touch defense.

    What "conservative" politician is actually working on these huge chunks of the budget?

    Do yourself a favor think logically. You are ranting about the pennies and letting the dollars slip away.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Aug. 19, 2014 9:14 a.m.

    The conservatives just don't know what to do with that part of America that disagrees with their view that everything should be flowing upward to the 1% and government needs to take away individual opportunities for the good of the wealthy minority. In other words, the conservatives can't reach their Utopia with those who can actually think for themselves and just want the government to protect them in the rights they think they are guaranteed under their interpretation of the Constitution (which, by the way, is a hindrance to conservatives unless twisted to their wishes). If the conservatives would just clear their muddled heads enough to come to terms with what they really want,then state it, I would be open to listen to them. Until then, give me what the Constitution guarantees me as a real, living, breathing human being (not a corporation)and leave me alone. I will be a good neighbor as well, something conservatives have completely forgotten.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Aug. 19, 2014 9:22 a.m.

    Two certainties. One is that Rand Paul has no chance of winning the GOP nomination. The 2nd being the party will nominate an older white male, who embraces Reagan, talks of smaller goverment, religous freedom, abolishing the IRS, but in the end losses.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Aug. 19, 2014 9:32 a.m.

    Wow, Gerson, a Republican, eviscerating a Republican. The GOP will see a bloodbath over the next 2-3 years. They don't know what they stand for, where they want to go, lack a vision, and have no obvious leader. Probably a good thing. The last time the were in charge, it didn't turn out so good and we are still paying the price and will for some time yet.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Aug. 19, 2014 10:12 a.m.

    Hey Republicans - two words: Chris Christie.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 19, 2014 11:18 a.m.

    As I watched the violence and protests in Missouri unfold over the past week and I hear and see the ugly - volence laced - ignorant crowd that walks the streets I have to wonder what effect the Democrat Party has had on the Black Community over the past 50 years. In Chicago for example there were 12 black on black murders just over the past weekend and the percent of Black children born with no father is at 70%. That is shocking to say the least. To make the absurd suggestion that the ideology of the Democrat party has helped the Black community is nonsense. It has made it MUCH worse. The Democrat party has no answer for the Black community and proof is in the numbers of every major city from violence to high school drop out rate to out of wed lock children and abortion and so on......

    New thinking is CRITICAL to help African Americans as well as Hispanic Americans. The same ole same ole throw a bunch of money at the problem doesn't work. New leadership is also needed in the White House! Handouts will never work!! Dr. Ben Carson is a breath of fresh air!!!

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Aug. 19, 2014 11:49 a.m.

    With the full support of the media, the progressives continue to perpetrate the myth that the GOP only cares about the rich 1% and is racist at its core. They also equally support the myth that progressive policies have somehow actually helped instead of hurt the poor and middle classes in this country.

    If those things were really true, then poor black people would be making substantial gains in their position in society under this administration. We would see big improvements in unemployment rates, incarceration rates, graduation rates, stable families, etc. among the minority groups.

    Instead, we see some of the biggest declines in the history of this country. Just like how Detroit refuses to acknowledge how Democratic rule destroyed that once great city, liberals refuse to even think that Obama's policies might be detrimental to poor people.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Aug. 19, 2014 1:22 p.m.

    @ patriot, you make a truly astounding statement that any one political party is responsible for racism in America, something that predates the United States. It just never has gone away. Your attack on the Democrats for trying to help minorities is ill-conceived. No program is perfect, but what the Democrats are doing is trying to help. The Republicans offer nothing at all and have refused to lift a finger. I would prefer to err on the side of helping, even though it might take another 200 years to turn around what this country did to its minorities over the past 400+ years.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 19, 2014 2:28 p.m.

    re:Esquire

    Esquire - look at the numbers because they do not lie guy!! Over the past 50 years every stat I sited has gotten much worse and the reason is due completely to the failed liberal policies that the Democrat party use. Hand outs and welfare and disincentives for work will NEVER be the answer. Never. The GOP has some great ideas and Paul Ryan and Dr. Ben Carson have actually articulated them recently. When something isn't working you don't keep doing it making the absurd judgement that it is better than nothing. Sometimes you have first STOP doing the bad policies and then reverse and insert new thinking into the problem.

    Now let's look at why the Democrats do what they do. You suggest it is out of concern and care. I completely disagree with that. It is actually out of a lust for power for themselves and making people dependent is the key. What black people need is freedom from government dependence and the power to achieve that. Show me one policy from your party that acheives that!

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 19, 2014 2:41 p.m.

    My wife is African American, from nearby the trouble in Ferguson, Missouri.

    The Civil Rights Act, Affirmative Action and many liberal programs indeed have had a very, very beneficial effect for many African Americans, who we now see among us, out of the ghetto, welcome parts of our middle class, integral parts of the wonderful mosaic of America.

    Unfortunately, there are too many people who have not benefitted from equal rights and social programs, and I don't think anyone has ready answers on how they might be helped, or better yet, motivated to reach up and achieve.

    We have too many people - regardless of race - who have concluded they're not going to win (or even be respectable) in the the race to prosperity, and instead they seek to survive by bypassing our regular economy.

    The racism of yesteryear has become the "class-ism" of 21st century Capitalism, and if able-bodied, college educated, hard-working, loyal employees are easily discarded as "uncompetitive" via globalization, it's hard to see how the even less fortunate will succeed.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Aug. 19, 2014 2:49 p.m.

    "Over the past 50 years every stat I sited has gotten much worse and the reason is due completely to the failed liberal policies that the Democrat party use"

    Patriot. It should be obvious, but maybe you are missing it.

    If it has happened over the last 50 years, maybe, just maybe, it is not just the Democrats using these "failed liberal policies".

    You do know that in the last 50 years, the GOP has been in power quite often. Sorry to break it to you, but they have not historically operated significantly different from the Democrats.

    And vice versa.

    Sad that so many can not see this very apparent fact.

  • Light and Liberty St. George/Washington, UT
    Aug. 19, 2014 2:54 p.m.

    One old Man. If you can defend whether something is Constitutional,I am more than happy to support your cause. Progressives, however,view the Constitution as an impediment to their "do-gooder" ideas. The endless tit and tat of ideas can cease if that question can get answered. It doesn't matter whether the poor man is poor or the rich man is rich. The progressives are still under the delusion that they have some program to fix poverty or any other number of challenges in this country. I don't want a Utopian society. I want human beings that have to live life without somebody trying to live it for them, which progressives are doing all they can to do. Since when was this country founded under the principle that everyone had to have a certain level of income to be happy, or educational attainment, or Health care? I don't want government taking care of me! Progressives are under the delusion that people need their help to be happy. That doesn't stop them, however. Rand Paul doesn't like compulsion, something that progressives know is a threat to what they can't live without, power!

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Aug. 19, 2014 4:13 p.m.

    Hmmmm . . . So we have Gerson, a former GW Bush acolyte . . . And he's dissing Rand Paul.

    We've seen how completely DESTRUCTIVE to this nation Republicans can be.

    “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president . . . ”

    Mitch McConnel's infamous dictum and the consequent sabotage of all useful legislation favored by the President showed the Republicans' willingness to harm America if it can help achieve a questionable political objective.

    And now Republicans are showing how destructive to their own party they can be. Apparently silly bickering takes precedence over party solidarity.

    Let's just stand back and let this take its course.

    Republican continually show their propensity and inclination to destroy. If they direct their animus toward one another, that could be a good thing, couldn't it?

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Aug. 19, 2014 7:26 p.m.

    In my eyes, the act that is most revealing of the heart of the Republican Party today is its effort to restrict access to the polls. IMO, this says loud and clear, "We aren't trying to win hearts and minds. We have in our tent who we want and now we have to figure out a way to win with what we recognize is a minority."

    It both sickens and saddens me to see the party in this state. I used to respect it.

  • Kiyo Washougal, Washington
    Aug. 19, 2014 8:31 p.m.

    ...Ronald Reagan was only elected after public turned against Jimmy Carter after he cancelled Olympics, nationwide 55 mile per hour speed limit, debacle in Iranian desert etc. The things Rand Paul has to say are usually not met with a lot of applause from any sector, but minority voices are always welcome, are they not?

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 19, 2014 10:54 p.m.

    When I was teaching economics I was generally interpreted (correctly) of being pretty left-wing. But I always told my students how much I admired and liked Jack Kemp. More than anything he was SINCERE in wanting to make amends racially. It wasn't just politics to him. Kemp couldn't be a Republican today.

  • Svenn Morgan, UT
    Aug. 19, 2014 10:58 p.m.

    10CC said:

    "The Civil Rights Act, Affirmative Action and many liberal programs indeed have had a very, very beneficial effect for many African Americans, who we now see among us, out of the ghetto, welcome parts of our middle class, integral parts of the wonderful mosaic of America."

    Sorry, but the 1964 Civil Rights Act had more Republican/Conservative support than Democrat support. In fact, it was only because the GOP voted in such a large majority that it even passed. Democrat support was 61%; Republican support was 80%. Interestingly, former Democrat Senator Robert K Byrd (former Exalted Cyclops in the KKK) filibustered the 1964 Civil Rights Act, as did Democrat Al Gore Sr.

    You said:

    "We have too many people - regardless of race - who have concluded they're not going to win (or even be respectable) in the the race to prosperity, and instead they seek to survive by bypassing our regular economy."

    Most of these folks are Democrat voters who've been conditioned to subsist off of the Government, and have been fed the destructive Liberal narrative of class warfare. Liberal Democrats have all but destroyed the Black family.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 19, 2014 11:20 p.m.

    Let's also mention than Jack Kemp was the best defender of the supply-side gospel (I never bought it).

    Kemp died relatively young at age 73 in 2009. I wish he could have been part of the current Republican mess, as a moderating agent. Sad.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Aug. 20, 2014 7:47 a.m.

    Whether purposeful or not the Republicans spread an enormous lie. That is equal opportunity and social welfare policies are meant to guarantee the success of the underprivileged.

    Equal Opportunity means just that. The individual still has to seize the opportunity and do the work to take advantage of it. 10CC points out very well that millions of African Americans and others have done just that. The fact that large numbers of others haven't doesn't discredit the policy or those who have.

    Social Welfare again is not designed to end poverty. It's designed as a humanitarian effort to keep poor people alive. That's all.

    Social Welfare programs have been instrumental in helping both those who have taken advantage of opportunities and those who haven't. The first to succeed and the later to exist.

    The problem is not a program that allows someone to exist but in why some don't want to succeed (support themselves and their families using talents and work).

    I'm not sure this is a problem solved by government but rather by community. Just a point that this is the very community work the President was doing at one time.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 7:55 a.m.

    Outreach to the black community would be very easy for a conservative. All he/she would need to do is point out that the black community is little or no better off than it was 40 years ago when the Democrats started the Great Society. Since then the Democrats have had the White House for about 25 years. (the Republicans 28). Also the Democrats have controlled Congress the majority of that time. At times, the Democrats had the House, Senate, and White House. (Under Carter, Clinton, and Obama). So the big question becomes, If Democrats are so good for minorities, then why haven't their lives improved very much when the Democrats have been in power? All that support given to Democrats by the black community, and they have little to show for it. Answer of course is that the blacks are taken for granted by Democrats. The Democrats do little for them, and still get their vote. Republicans need to point this out and say give us a chance to change things. Try something new with support for new people or your lives will continue to be like Fergerson Mo. or worse Chicago Ill.

  • Light and Liberty St. George/Washington, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 7:57 a.m.

    Whether you believe in extermination of races and people (marxism), or are a Rand Paul fan (Libertarian), or follow the Tea Party (Constitution and Liberty), they do have a following for whatever reason. There is nothing that will change America, whether Capitalism, Socialism, or Communism, except a return to moral principles and virtuous living. It is futile to think that our current leaders or future leaders, be they Communist, Marxist, Socialist, or Libertarians, that will change anything for the better unless it is based on values that reflect integrity, honesty, and virtue. Bottom line, government programs, be they Republican, Democratic, or otherwise, will only make things worse! In the meantime, one can support a return to those principles with a smile on your face and lightness in your heart. The chatter back and forth about this policy and that policy are just that. There is nothing that can be done. The writing is on the wall. The realistic optimist I am! As far as economic systems, however, Capitalism is at the top of the list as the best possible system to help mankind. The others mean death of millions either by attrition (Socialism) or concentration camps (Communism).

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 10:03 a.m.

    It is entertaining to hear conservatives revel in the fact that Republicans were against slavery during the Civil War and voted for the Civil Rights Act. Yay for you! Now vote for the current civil rights issues like same sex marriage. Don't want to? Then odds are if you had lived during the 1860's and 1960's you probably would have felt the same antipathy to "progressive" causes and would have been a Democrat! But it's great that now it has become socially unacceptable to hold those old regressive positions. Get on the right side of history and continue the progressive tradition you so proudly proclaim!

  • Svenn Morgan, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 10:46 a.m.

    Wonder said:

    "It is entertaining to hear conservatives revel in the fact that Republicans were against slavery during the Civil War and voted for the Civil Rights Act. Yay for you!"

    Do you have any idea how insulting what you just wrote is to Black Americans?

    The Democrat Party History of racism:

    * Jim Crow segregation laws were enacted by Democrats

    * The 1924 Democrat National Convention was host to one of the largest Klan gatherings in American history

    * The 1964 Civil Rights Act: Democrat support 61%; Republican support 80%. Interestingly, former Democrat Senator Robert K Byrd (former Exalted Cyclops in the KKK) filibustered the 1964 Civil Rights Act, as did Democrat Al Gore Sr.

    * Democrat President Franklin Roosevelt gave us the disgraceful Japanese Internment Camps

    * Democrat Senator Ernest Hollings and his history of racial slurs towards blacks


    * Margaret Sanger, Liberal Icon and founder of Planned Parenthood, in her 1939 "Negro Project" had as her goal, the desire to greatly reduce the Black population, or as she referred to them, "human weeds." Ever wonder why so many Planned Parenthood Centers are in the inner-city? 13 million black babies aborted since 1973.

    And the only answer the Left has is: "Yeah, well the Republicans don't support Same Sex Marriages!"

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    Aug. 20, 2014 11:04 a.m.

    I hope Rand Paul runs and wins the GOP nomination.

    Because --
    a vote for Rand Paul, is just a vote for Hillary Clinton.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 11:34 a.m.

    Funny, Svenn, most Black Americans don't seem to be too insulted by the current Democratic Party. Only ones who think they should be are the far right Republicans who think they would have been champions of the Civil Rights Act if they had been of voting age during the 60's. You seem to be the one who insults them by thinking they are unaware of the history of the Democratic and Republican Parties. Believe me, anyone with even a grain of knowledge of recent history is aware that Southern Democrats were anti-Civil Rights laws. It's no big revelation to me or to any Black person. Yet you righties think you've discovered the big reveal that no one knew.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 11:36 a.m.

    And, I might add, the Republican candidate for President in 1964 was against the Civil Rights Act. So how does that fit your narrative?

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Aug. 20, 2014 11:55 a.m.

    Although Rand Paul is much better then his father, I would agree that the GOP has little to offer in candidates at this point. Unless Dr Carson, Ted Cruz, Jim Demint, Herman Cain or maybe even Sarah Palin commit to the race, nothing of interest. Nobody has committed yet! How embarrassing that the only thing the dems have to offer is Clinton. That certainly appeals to the mindless throngs who let the news media make their decisions for themselves, or the awb branch of the dem party (which is huge), but offers nothing to the rest of the country, who is getting more and more full of sympathy politics everyday.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 11:58 a.m.

    Svenn

    Thanks for pointing out better than I could all the skeletons that the Democrat Party has in their closet. I can only add that Bill Clinton made racial allegations after Obama had won the South Carolina primary. Funny how liberals can get away with stuff like that while Republicans are destroyed. Does anyone really believe the Republican Party could have as one of its standard bearers an ex KKK member? Or have a Supreme Court nomination like Hugo Black get through. He was KKK too, and appointed by Roosevelt.

  • Svenn Morgan, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 11:07 p.m.

    SCfan said:

    "Funny how liberals can get away with stuff like that while Republicans are destroyed."

    Exactly! But let's remember, they couldn't do it without a compliant media.

    BTW, I had forgot about Bill Clinton's racist remarks about Barack Obama. Hmmm, now let's see, what did Clinton say? Oh yes, now I remember:

    “A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags.” -Bill Clinton

    Being a Liberal means never having to say you're sorry. :-D

  • Anti Bush-Obama Chihuahua, 00
    Aug. 21, 2014 11:07 a.m.

    Airnaut/LDS Liberal/Openminded Mormon/ Samuel the Liberalite/LDS Treehugger

    "I hope Rand Paul runs and wins the GOP nomination.

    Because --
    a vote for Rand Paul, is just a vote for Hillary Clinton."

    That would only be applicable if Rand Paul was running 3rd party.

    Do you really want a person who voted to attack Iraq and favors drone strikes on innocent civilians?

    If Bush was a Liberal (which he was because he tripled the size of government) I bet you would like him too because there is no real difference between the two of them at all other than party affiliation. They are all the same tyrant when they get out of campaign mode and into the whitehouse anyway regardless of party their policies are totally the same.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    Aug. 21, 2014 11:39 a.m.

    Anti Bush-Obama
    Chihuahua, 00
    Airnaut/LDS Liberal/Openminded Mormon/ Samuel the Liberalite/LDS Treehugger

    =======

    FYI --
    I've been Libertarian since 1971, but have voted for other parties through the years,

    I voted for Jon M. Huntsman Jr. (R) last election.
    2008 Bob Barr (L)
    2004 Michael Badnarik (L)
    2000 Harry Browne (L)
    Ross Perot in 1992 & 1996
    and Rand's father RON Paul as the Libertarian candidate in 1988

    Like Mitt Romney NOT being a younger George W. Romney,
    Rand Paul is NOT a little Ron Paul either.