A black 'kid' in a largely black community was shot by a white cop on
an almost exclusively white police force. He died, unarmed, in Ferguson. I
cannot provide the details of the whole story which you seek. I wasn't
there. I don't know what happened. But I do know that seeking plausible
excuses for the cop looks bad. Keep digging. You'll find your way
out. That's what matters.
Sort of like, Stories of Israeli Police shooting unarmed Palestinian
All eyewitnesses report that the kid had his hands up when he was shot.
As their leader says: "Don't waste a crises" any excuse for some
looting and rioting.
Police did not choose the call. They were called there. None want to take a
human life that is there worse nightmare. It is them an innocent victim or the
criminal. What about all the police that lose there life to protect us? Do
people care about that.
Have you seen the surveillance video tapes of the boy committing a strong-arm
robbery of a convenience store not long before the shooting?Yet some
people, after seeing the tapes, are trying to tell us that releasing the tapes
amounts to "character assassination" of the poor kid.White,
black, pink or purple doesn't matter -- shouldn't matter.I'm a guy who marched in some very ugly civil rights marches in the South
many years ago. I'm a guy who always speaks up for the rights of ALL
Americans.But I'm also a guy who believes that criminal acts by
anyone are criminal acts.
So, what are we waiting for? When a police officer in Utah shoots someone,
start looting, start burning, start pretending that laws only apply to people of
one color.The actions of the people of Missouri are reprehensible.
They pretended that they live in some primitive society where they can do as
they please without social responsibility and without accountability.The facts are beginning to come in. Surveillance cameras have shown that a
crime had been committed. It is beginning to appear that the "eye
witness" to the shooting was involved in a robbery moments before the
shooting occurred. Is his "account" accurate? Are you sure?There are always those who are so quick to find a reason to incite hated.
They don't care what is right or wrong. All they care about is that they
can spew their hateful words, that they can condemn, that they can find fault.
Let try an honesty, integrity test..."We have been hearing a lot
about the 18-year-old JEW who was shot by a police officer in BERLIN. It seems
as if all the blame is being placed on the policeman. But whenever we have these
accounts either on the radio or in the newspaper, we usually do not get the
whole story. If the policeman did shoot the JEW without cause, he should be
prosecuted. However, it also seems that the JEWISH communities cannot accept the
idea that the kid may have been somewhat to blame himself. It would be nice to
learn the whole story."
Facts are beginning to emerge:1) The "boy" was a
6'4", 290 lb, very strong young man who had just committed a crime.2) The officer was a smaller man who received a bulletin of the crime and a
precise description.3) The officer, seeing that the "boy" was near
the crime scene and matched the description exactly, attempted to arrest him.4) The "boy" violently resisted arrest, injuring the officer in the
process, and struggled for the officer's gun.5) The officer gained
control of his gun, and shot the "boy" who was still resisting
arrest.That doesn't sound like racism, and it doesn't
sound like police brutality. If I resist arrest, I can expect to be shot, too.
No one condones rioting, however it was stated by the Ferguson police chief that
the alleged robbery had nothing to do with the shooting. Brown was pulled over
for jaywalking. The officer involved had no knowledge of the robbery. This was
from the chief himself. How do you justify someone being shot in a small
community that has better military style equipment than our fighting warriors in
the Middle East? How do you justify a police force in a community that is 60%
African American and only maybe 8% of peace officers are black? It's real
easy for all of you to judge this situation based on your own life experience
but until you walk in their shoes I suggest you wait until the dust settles to
make a judgment. Even here in God's Zion we have seen situations that
crossed the line and Utah's definition of diversity is whether your
ancestry is English or Scandinavian with a little Eastern European thrown in.
Let justice take it's course, assuming it can in that situation.
18 and 22 are adults. The media helped incite this riot, and should be held
Okay, Liberal, finish the story. Tell us how the Jews in Berlin sacked the
stores, burned the buildings, hauled off the Germans to concentration camps,
gassed them and told the world that they were going humanity a favor. Go on,
you started the Nazi story, now finish it.Look at the history of
violence in America. Look at the 1965 Watt's Riots. Look at the 1992 Los
Angeles riots after the Rodney King beating. Look up race riots on Google. See
what the Black community has done to America. Now look at all the
whites who have been killed by black police officers. Can anyone name ONE RIOT
that occurred? Look at all the whites who lost a scholarship opportunity
because of deferential treatment of Blacks. Where were the riots? Where were
the white "Al Sharptons or Jesse Jacksons" stirring up class hatred?
The Blacks have been used by Blacks. Listen to Bill Cosby. Listen
to his advice to Black youth. Unfortunately, his voice is shouted down by Obama
who tell Black youth that some "rich guy" owes them. Why? No "rich
guy" owes me anything, but I believe is personal responsibility.
@Roland Kayser: "All eyewitnesses report that the kid had his hands up when
he was shot."The eye witnesses were his friends...
African-American friends.According to news reports (you won't
find it in the DNews for some reason), the kid robbed a store. The cop might
have gotten the report on this radio, told the kid to put his hands behind his
back because he was being arrested. The kid refused and ran. The cop said stop
or I'll shoot. The kid didn't, so he got shot.That's
how I seen it, anyway. There's hundreds of opinions out there. Of
course, all the African-Americans are maintaining the kid was totally innocent
of all crimes and was murdered by a policeman.
Old man has spoken with wisdom and clarity. There is absolutely no place for
racism in a civilized society. All racists should be swiftly and severely
condemned.Old man is also correct that criminals must be punished,
regardless of race. We cannot survive as a nation if we are beset by lawless
hordes who roam at will.Police must be given the tools they need to
protect the public. Criticizing, belittling, and prosecuting police who protect
the public in the lawful discharge of their duty simply makes the police
tentative and hesitant. This puts the lives of people of all races in jeopardy.
To your point Russell, more of the "whole story". According to the
Missouri Attorney General, In 2013 in Ferguson 483 arrests involved blacks and
36 involved whites. Of those arrests 1 in 5 blacks possessed contraband and 1 in
3 whites possessed contraband. 92% of all searches and 86% of car searches
involved blacks. A national statistic for you, a black man is 8 times more
likely to spend time in jail for smoking MJ than a white. Most people who end up
being exonerated for crimes they served time for, but didn't commit, are
people of color. Most people who end up being exonerated for crimes they served
time for, but didn't commit, are people of color. Blacks routinely serve
longer sentences for the same crimes committed by whites. There are 53 police in
Ferguson which is in the 9th most segregated area in the U.S. Only 3 are black.
Yes, rioting is unacceptable, justice must run it's course, but when you
are confronted with militarized police when you protest something is amiss. I
suggest you wait until the jury has spoken before you lose sleep. Mike Brown was
confronted for jay walking not robbery. A reason to kill another kid? Think not.
Mike brown wasn't shot for jay walking. He was shot because he was
attacking an officer and tried to take the officer's gun. Police officers have a right to come home alive to their families too.Mike Brown lost that right when he attacked the officer. In a heated
battle for a gun where the victor survives and the loser most likely loses his
life, I'm glad the officer won. While I am saddened that a young man lost
his life I'm happy that an officer survived a vicious attack. Don't want to be shot by a police officer? Don't attack them and try
and steal their guns. It's that simple.
“There are those that are saying ‘peace,’ but they really just
mean ‘quiet.’ Because in order to establish peace you must have fair
justice for everyone. We want real peace. We don’t want to just be told to
shut up and suffer in silence. We must have answers.”Rev. Al
Sharpton, Ferguson, Mo.August 14, 2014 ======Once
again the Rev. Al Sharpton asserting himself into a situation where he knows
absolutely none of the facts. All he knows is that a white cop shot a black 18
year old. For Al, that’s more than enough to trump up bogus charges of
institutional racism. He has a history of creating racial tensions based on
lies.This is the same Reverend Sharpton who helped Tawana Brawley
trump up bogus charges that 6 white men raped her, some of whom she claimed were
police officers. He also supported Crystal Gail Mangum in her bogus allegations
that members of the Duke Lacrosse team raped her. Hey Al, was it
fair justice for the police officers and the Duke Lacrosse players you falsely
accused?Like these other cases, the real facts will are coming
Suppose for a moment that the situation was this: an unarmed white kid,
suspected of stealing beer from a convenience store, was confronted by a black
police officer, who first shot the white kid in the back while the kid was
attempting to run away and then when the wounded kid turned around, hands in the
air, yelling "don't shoot!" shot him again and killed him. And
after the shooting, no paramedics were called.Where would you be,
In the last paragraph of the article in DN, what The Educator says, is right
there. The police report is that the "victim" (large and strong) pushed
the police officer into the vehicle and tried to get his gun. We don't have
all the facts, I'm sure, but it seems illogical that a respected officer
who has a good clean record in his work would shoot someone who was trying to
run away with his hands in the air.
This young man was shot at least 6 times--twice in the head. Regardless of
whether the police officer believed the young man's crime was jay walking
or robbery, discharge of the police officer's weapon 6 times is excessive.
In fact, zero bullets are necessary to stop anyone after one bullet hits the
head. Even if the police officer feared for his life (which I doubt), surely
the police officer had no reason to be fearful after the first bullet hit this
young man's head.
OneWifeOnly - It wouldn't hurt you to do some research on ballistics, and
how the body reacts to being shot; as in it's Very Well documented that
some people continue to fight even after being hit in the head, or after being
shot multiple times. Also, how do know the first bullet was a head shot? Could
it have been his last shot? And if you shoot someone 5 times and they keep
coming after you, wouldn't you fear for your life?? Wouldn't you keep
shooting until they stopped being a threat? Cops are still human. They get
scared like everyone else. So please don't down play being in 'fear
for your life' until you've experienced it first hand.
Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, UtahSo Mike, Do you still
think Ferguson MO would be a much safer place if everyone had a gun?
Re: "All eyewitnesses report that the kid had his hands up when he was
shot."Yeah, all except the report of the guy that was actually
there, and actually saw what happened.He reports that the
18-year-old youngster [who was 6'4" and 300 pounds, and had just
cavalierly committed a thuggish strong-arm robbery at a nearby store] was
leaning into the police cruiser, at some point took off running, then turned and
charged the much smaller police officer.Which is exactly what was
originally reported, likely from the officer's statement.Notwithstanding liberals' intent to stir up unwarranted outrage, as the
facts come out, this cynical political theater will likely prove as groundless
as the Trayvon Martin fiasco. Unfortunately though, another decent, innocent
real American will be judicially lynched to appease vicious
victimization-industry gods -- whose shrill cries for "justice"
demonstrate no real comprehension of the concept -- and their shameless
Re: "Let try an honesty, integrity test..."I can't
believe anyone could honestly compare the situation in Ferguson, MO to
Kristallnacht.That says a lot more about the writer than about the
Re: ". . . discharge of the police officer's weapon 6 times is
excessive."Such sentiments reflect only the callow, untrained,
uncurious background of the writer, not any recognizable version of reality.Anyone trained in proper use of force understands that you only apply
force in response to a threat, and then, you apply it only until the threat is
neutralized. Experience tells us, it may take a number of shots from the
low-power handguns used by the military and most police forces to neutralize the
threat of a 6'4", 300 lb. person, desperately intent on avoiding the
consequences of his actions, regardless of where the rounds may strike his body.
Re: "Where would you be, attitude-wise?"Assuming your
"facts" to be true, I'd be outraged. I'd be concerned for, and
reaching out to the "kid's" family. I'd be wanting to know
whatever other facts might bear on the issue.I would not be looting
and vandalizing my own neighborhood. I wouldn't be calling for
identification of the police officer being investigated, for no discernible
reason other than to enable those wanting to figuratively and physically lynch
him, before all the facts are known. I wouldn't be, at least this early in
the proceedings, preparing cynical, vexatious litigation in my own pecuniary
interest.And, it should also be noted that the stated
"facts" are not supported by any credible evidence, and will likely be
refuted by an impartial investigation.Not that the innocence of a
decent, hard-working public servant is of the slightest import to liberals
intent on forcing their templated result to this templated, though factually
unsupported, racial incident.
Mike Richards -- please tell us where and when Obama ever said that a "rich
guy" "owes" anyone anything.A real quote please.Not some garbled garbage from a hate website.Your hatred is
on full display in your posts today.
Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, UtahOkay, Liberal, finish the story. Tell
us how the Jews in Berlin sacked the stores, burned the buildings, hauled off
the Germans to concentration camps, gassed them and told the world that they
were going humanity a favor. Go on, you started the Nazi story, now finish
it.====== Janowska, The Lwów/Lemberg Ghetto
massacre of June 1941BTW -- You keep getting history backwards
-- The uber-far-Right-wing ultra-Nationalists, called
themselves a "pure" race, chosen by God, and better than
others, wrote laws banning and restricting; Jews, Gays, Liberals,
immigrants, Communists, acedemia, abortions, ect. And THEY we the
ones ultimetly "deported" and fed to the death camps/chambers.I will not let that happen here in America.