Bingham will not be #1 in region 3 this year!
The top 4 teams in this Region would win any other region in the state, Herriman
may be able to compete in Region 3 but Davis couldn't, nor could AF or PG
or Lone Peak this year.Jordan has a bunch of linemen returning, we know
what they did last time they had an O line and I think they have the best shot
at knocking off the Miners. Brighton is going to be tough, although
they've lost most of their lineman. Bingham will be great, and Alta will be
much better than people are saying. Alta has a chance to show how they'd
do in Region 4 as the open with PG and play Lone Peak week three so it will be
clear by then that I'm right.
Ply x ply : To say that anyone of the top 4 in region3 would win any other
region is reaching, last year East crushed Jordan, and both Timpview, and East
beat Alta by larger margins than Bingham beat Alta, and I personally believe
that both of those schools could have matched up well against Bingham, possibly
even beating Bingham, they had just as much size, speed, and athleticism as
Bingham. I think East had even more size on their line than Bingham, and
Timpview had the best Defense in the state last year in all classifications. All
three have great Coaches, and Programs! Good luck to all teams.
HAHA Here comes Jordan fan again. Until Jordan can prove they can keep a team
under 40 points, I don't see it happening. And we're already hearing
again about how Timpview or East could have beat Bingham last year. Stats are
what I rely on. 14-0 playing in the toughest region in the state. That's
the best team in the state last year.
Gunner,Who was tough besides Brighton? Jordan? Jordan gave up 60 points
against East. Jordan was 7-6 last year. Alta had a losing record. Nah, region 3
is tough, but lets not act like all four playoff teams were great teams. Jordan
was not a very good team. Defensively they were just bad. Last year Timpview and
East would've given Bingham all it could handle no doubt. This year however
I would say Bingham would beat both
How many region 3 teams were in the final 4 last year?
I guess you're right Gunner. If Jordan was a top 3 or 4 team in 5a than
East and Timpview would've easily won the 5a title. East put 59 on Jordan.
What could Timpview have done. 60? 70? Bingham only had 48. It appears t-birds
to win was right.
T birds, I wasn't including the two 4A regions, Alta struggled against both
East and Timpview. Now this year we'll get to see Alta at Timpview again
so we'll have a good idea about how they'd stack up in Region 4 and
Timpviews region.The 3 best teams in 5A last year were Bingham, Brighton,
Jordan, with LP and Alta right there as well. To say Jordan wasn't very
good is wrong...they weren't as good as the year before but they were
pretty good and played on the turf.
Utah has a lot of good Football programs that continue to do well year after
year, even when they loose a lot of players to graduation, this year there will
be a lot of great games, both in state, and out of state,Bingham playing Bishop
Gorman, Alta playing Bellevue, East playing Valor Christian,Timpview playing
Mission Hills,etc. Out of all schedules I've seen this year I have to give
respect to Alta, I think they have the toughest schedule this year.They
definately play Anyone, Anywhere, Anytime. Bellevue is the team that beat De La
Salle, when they were undefeated for twelve years, De La Salle holds the
national record for most consecutive wins at 151 and Bellevue stopped their
winning streak. I am looking forward to another great season this year, and hope
that all Utah Schools win their out of state games. Good Luck TO All Teams!
Tenn12: The fact you're using scores to compare how good a team is or was
shows a lot about how much you know about the game.
Tenn12 Besides beating Brighton twice, Jordan, Lone Peak, well and everyone
else, they beat the Colorado State champs Valor Christian, who had one of the
best running backs in the nation. Valor Christian had only lost to one team in
two years. Who? Yea, Bingham. They crushed everyone else in Colorado. Also,
Coach Peck has never been a coach to run up the score. In so many of those
games you mention, Bingham starters didn't even come close to playing the
full game. Comparing scores is pretty ridiculous.
Gunner, "Stats are what I rely on." Stats? Scores ARE stats.
Let's be honest, stats AND scores, scores being stats, aren't reliable
to determine outcomes. We don't need to resort to childish posts about who
has more football knowledge. Let's just agree to disagree. I saw Bingham,
East, and Timpview play multiple times last year and it is my opinion that last
year those two teams would've matched up very well against them. Not this
year though. I like Bingham against anyone.
Tenn12,Your argument does not hold water. The Theory of Comparative
Scores never proves anything. Besides, you only want to use the points that
East and Bingham scored against Jordan to make your point. You don't
consider defense. Jordan put 36 on East but could only put 27 on Bingham. How
many would Jordan have put on Timpview?East beat Jordan by 23,
Bingham beat Jordan by 21. Pretty negligible difference there.So
let's go ahead and use scores as you propose:Let's use
these "stats"; instead: 4A Championship Game to give Timpview the nod
over East (33-28). In week 2, PG beat Timpview 21-19, so nod to PG. In week 6,
Riverton beat PG 38-7, nod to Riverton. Yet in the 5A quarter-finals, Bingham
beat Riverton 43-10. So if I use THESE "stats", Bingham is 73 points
better than Timpview and 78 better than East.East and Timpview were
very good last year. They may have even been better than Bingham (pretty hard
to argue against 14-0 though). But picking the score against 1 common opponent
to make the point doesn't work, even if you consider scores to be
Looks like my math was off by 2. The only way to really know who
was better between East, Timpview and Bingham would be to have them play. But
that only proves who was better that day. I think that East and Timpview were
pretty even last year but Timpview was better on that afternoon in late
November.Everyone has their opinions as to who was better, and
that's what makes this fun. In reality, they'd need to play 10 or so
times to get a handle on who was truly better and that cannot happen.And Bingham does not play down, or at least they have not for 25 years, so an
East-Bingham or Bingham-Timpview game likely will not happen until the USHAA
tags East or Timpview with the 15% success penalty and moves them up to 5A.
Parry,If you would read my post directly above yours you would see there
was no need to make your long post about comparing scores. Here, I'll quote
it:"Let's be honest, stats AND scores, scores being stats, aren't
reliable to determine outcomes." So how does my argument not hold water? My
argument is that you can't compare scores! You and I AGREE! To fully
understand this thread you'd have to read all the previous posts because my
one about comparing scores was to make a point. Some that commented earlier
seemed to believe that because Bingham had the best "stats" or overall
record, that nobody including East and Timpview would have or could have beat
them. My point was we can't use stats.Ps. I do believe the UHSAA has
made up their mind and I'd imagine Timpview will be forced to move up. So
they might play. Bad timing for them because they're best days are behind
Tenn12: I guess my question is then, why in your earlier post did you declare
Jordan as not being good because East put up 59 points on them? Then you
followed that up by saying "How many would Timpview have put up on
them?" If you're claiming points aren't what you are comparing,
why bring the points up at all? Regardless, I wasn't trying to be childish
in my comment about football knowledge. So sorry if that's how it came
across. The only stat I go by is wins and losses. And based on Bingham going
14-0, I'll take them as the best team in the state last year.
Ditto on what Gunner just said.
That's a good question. At the time I made that comment because a good 5a
team should never give up that many points; for any reason. I do not believe
Jordan was that great of a football team last year because as you pointed out,
their defense was awful. That being said, they outscored most of their opponents
and somehow ended up in the 5a semifinals despite their defense. After all that
has been said, the point I was trying to make is that people shouldn't
dismiss East and Timpview last year because I think they would've matched
up well with Bingham. That's pretty rare though, usually Bingham will have
an edge. I did get sidetracked from my original point.
Parry, you are right that Pleasant Grove beat Timpview in week two last year,
and Skyview almost did in week one, but no one has since Britton Covey has been
playing Quarterback, and East is the only team to give them a close game since
then. Timpview also played Skyview in the Quarter Finals and it wasn't even
close. They are a different team with Covey playing Quarterback.
No need to spout about scores and all other nonsense. Timpview is a great team,
a dynasty in 4A, Coach VanOrden made them into what Peck has made Bingham, a
powerhouse. I would love to see them play each other. But no matter, Bingham
walks the walk on the field. Barely losing to the #1 team in the nation this
season and smokin everyone else. Hands down they are the team to beat. They have
the #1 defense in the state, until someone in Utah proves otherwise. Jordan
won't prove otherwise tonight I guarantee that. Last year we all heard
about how Kafentsiz was going to throw all over Bingham's weak secondary
and all he did was go out and throw 4 INT's. Bingham's secondary is
lights out this year. This game won't be close.
Here's a telling stat! Bingham's defense has allowed Osa Masina the #1
RB recruit in the state to just 226 yds on the ground in 3 games. That's 75
yds a game. So no, East would not have beat Bingham last year.