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Silent protest in Salt Lake decries officer-involved deaths in Utah and Missouri

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  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Aug. 14, 2014 9:18 p.m.

    If the boy had obeyed police he would be alive today.

  • ExDixieIte Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 9:34 p.m.

    How do we know he didn't?

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Aug. 14, 2014 9:44 p.m.

    @Wayne Rout:
    How do you know which story is right? If you are a black parent and your son goes out for a walk around the neighborhood, you worry about what happens if he runs into the police. They shouldn't have to worry about that.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 10:17 p.m.

    that's interesting I didn't know that the investigation had concluded already??? Now I can 100% guarantee you had the kid been white there would have been zero press and zero involvement from Obama. Pretty disgusting.

  • Tumbleweed Centerville, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 10:21 p.m.

    Congratulations on the peaceful protest. It stands in stark contrast to those who use such tragedies to justify looting.

    Nevertheless, the whole event helps me recall the testimony or interview of Trayvon Martin's girlfriend who admitted Trayvon may have been attempted to conduct some "whoop_ss" on Mr. Zimmerman and that you don't shoot someone who is simply engaging in harmless "whoop_ss." Problem is, if the intended victim is armed, that person may reasonably interpret that act as an attempted aggravated assault or robbery giving him legal justification to use deadly force.

    Mental note to young toughs - whether you are simply attempting what is referred to above or playing the "knockout" game, more and more your intended victim may be armed. Whether the shooting is deemed justifiable or not will make no difference to you if you have been killed. Try doing homework instead; it's safer.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 11:24 p.m.

    Interesting that demonstrators are quick to show up and start protests, often with outright riots and looting in some big cities, even though they do not have the facts on what actually happened. Of course, Sharpton, Obama and Holder fan the flames of indignation without knowing the facts either.

    Of course, if the facts turn out that it was a legitimate use of deadly force, the "racist cop" story has already been accepted and cannot be undone.

    Wait for the facts before you demonstrate, peacefully or otherwise.

  • E.D.Bekkr West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 14, 2014 11:38 p.m.

    There are far too many highly effective, non-lethal methods of subduing an uncooperative suspect (especially an unarmed one) for the increasing numbers of these killings to happen. Its time to change how these armed "public servants" are trained, so that they can stop killing those whom they should be protecting... the public

    Lethal should be a last resort NOT the FIRST!!!

    Also there exists a clear need for investigations into each and every "death by cop" incident by an outside independent authority, instead of allowing the police to investigate themselves. Such practices go against the U.S. system of checks and balances originally intended by our founding fathers.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    Aug. 15, 2014 12:40 a.m.

    "If the boy had obeyed police he would be alive today." - Wayne Rout

    It's way too early in the investigation to make the assumption that he didn't obey the police.

    Over the years, there have been a number of incidents where police have killed someone who was simply doing something innocent like pulling up their pants, reaching for their glasses or grabbing a flashlight to see who was knocking down the wrong door.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 6:11 a.m.

    Why don't these people try protesting how these kids were raised? The man that was shot has a long history of armed robbery and threatening people. Who knows how many crimes he committed without being caught. The fact is, he was a dangerous criminal. That alone does not give police the right to shoot him. The police are well trained and I believe for the most part are not lookingto shoot and kill anyone.Claiming the police are looking to shoot people is the same as claiming this guy was looking to have police end his life.The investigation needs tobe completed before wecan draw aconclusion.

    Where was this man's parents growing up?Why did they allow him to get into a position where he is robbing places?I know parents can't stop their kids from doing everything.However,overall in society,if parents invested time with their kids.Helped them get an education and learn how to work.That would eliminate many of our social problems.The reality is many of these people live off of welfare,teach their kids to live on welfare,teach them that they are victims and only government can save them.

  • higv Dietrich, ID
    Aug. 15, 2014 7:09 a.m.

    What about all the police that lose there lives to protect the public? No police wants to take a life and many times it is them or the criminal or an innocent person.

  • TMR Los Angeles, CA
    Aug. 15, 2014 7:24 a.m.

    "Now I can 100% guarantee you had the kid been white there would have been zero press and zero involvement from Obama. Pretty disgusting." - Patriot

    What is disgusting is the escalating militarization of police in this country and the number of blacks (especially children) who are on the receiving end. Furthermore, you are wrong - if the child had been white, there would have been press involvement. The attention may not have been as intense, but there is a reason for this dynamic. Perhaps a trip out of Cedar Hills may help illuminate . . . .

  • hockeymom Highland, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 7:30 a.m.

    E.D.Bekkr

    And who is checking and balancing the current US government system? While I think the riots are completely wrong, as are the lootings, so is it completely wrong that the government is leaning so, so far to the left!

  • md Cache, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 7:31 a.m.

    It seems easy for a lot of people to protest, riot and essentially convict the policeman as a a racist murderer without the facts.

    In Chicago, since this boy was shot, there have been multiple black people shot, mostly by black people. Where is the outrage?

  • Johnnyoh! ,
    Aug. 15, 2014 7:48 a.m.

    "If nobody's right, then everybody's wrong"...Buffalo Springfield
    Why were they arresting this young man?
    Why did the young man resist arrest?
    From there the facts have not been released, so who knows?
    It is unfortunate but like the other riots, looting, and burning, it seems that the black community always plays the victim card, it has gotten worse over the last six years.
    "A house divided, cannot stand"....... Abraham Lincoln

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    Aug. 15, 2014 7:58 a.m.

    Wouldn't it be nice to have just such a response for the deaths of Cory Wride and Derek Johnson who fell in the line of duty?

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 8:07 a.m.

    There are bigger issues at play.The left wing preached if barack was elected, then all racism would cease, flowers will sprout spontaneously beneath his feet,the economy would come back, the world will respect us,wars will cease,crime will disappear,everyone will get everything for free....soonandsoforth.

    We have seen under left wing ideology,that none of this has come about.None of their promises have come.Instead the left wing is more powerful,richer and have military strength to back up their ideology.The whole time blaming Bush white people and slavery for our current problems.

    That's not leadership.That's tyranny.Bush was right on many things,as it turns out most of the country was wrong to blame him for everything.The voters were wrong to elect and then re-elect barack.Mitt Romney was right about the economy,Iraq,the middle East, ebt,healthcare so on and so forth.An honest person will see through all of the lies.Some people it's taking longer than usual.

    Hopefully come November,the voters put adults intooffice

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Aug. 15, 2014 8:21 a.m.

    @md

    "In Chicago, since this boy was shot, there have been multiple black people shot, mostly by black people. Where is the outrage?"

    There's no outrage because none of those Chicagoans were shot by police. Pretty clear difference between run-of-the-mill street violence and murder by cop.

    That said, there seems to be a significant & misguided portion of the community who thinks a protest is nothing more than a good opportunity to loot. Who says "hey, I'm going to go to a protest for this dead kid so I can steal a Tivo"?

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 8:29 a.m.

    TMR said: "Now I can 100% guarantee you had the kid been white there would have been zero press and zero involvement from Obama. Pretty disgusting." - Patriot. What is disgusting is the escalating militarization of police in this country and the number of blacks (especially children) who are on the receiving end. "

    Absolutely, since 911 we've treated the police, who's 1st responsibility, is Serve and Protect, not intimidate, kill, and lord over us. The reporter who was jailed there because he couldn't gather his stuff quick enough while a SWAT team counted down for him to leave a McDonalds in 10 9 8 7 6... this is not what we expect from public servants.

    Those who are white middle aged males with no military background, and no interaction with other races except the 2% at your church, will never understand being of color in a southern town, even though there is no racism, in your mind.

    There are good guys out there, my brothers a state trooper, he feels the same way.

  • Feliz Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 8:55 a.m.

    I'm so glad we have democrats that protest when the rights of criminals and child molesters are being infringed upon. Someone has to look out for the rights of the little guy.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 9:07 a.m.

    Why do so many news outlets keep referring to this shooting victim as being unarmed? He wasn't. He had his fists which he was using to punch the officer in the head and face. Here in Utah recently two referees have died from being punched in the head.

    The officer also says the shooting victim was trying to grab his gun which had he let him take it would have been a serious threat to the officers life.

  • SummitHigh Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 9:45 a.m.

    Sadly, most of the comments here fall into the same old trap that makes this whole mess what it is: negative stereotyping and distrusting individuals with a different perceived background than ourselves.

    Some assume the black boy was violent and committing a crime (few of us know the facts yet). Some assume the officer was out-of-bounds, excessively violent, and falsely committed racial profiling of an innocent child (we don't know that either). Some assume an individual that lives in a small, religious town in Utah has no idea what the world is like beyond their own "bubble" (how do you know this?). Too many see those from a perceived situation different their own as, well, somewhat crazy.

    The reality is, none of us knows every little bit about everyone else around us, and often that "difference" scares, threatens, or frustrates us. We all need to choose to think, speak, and act differently. Until we do, this combative situation (from LA to Chicago, St Louis to Washington DC and small-town everywhere) will not improve. We need to chose to overlook differences, care about and seek to understand each other, and get over our own misconceptions.

  • TOO Sanpete, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 10:03 a.m.

    You mean the teenager who was shot in MO after security cameras show him bullying and robbing a store? The one who has pictures of himself flashing gang signs?

    Yeah, he really looked innocent before the cop "targeted" him.

    Nobody decries white people being shot. Obama doesn't give a shout out to every shooting--just the ones that he or his cronies could get points for. Racism is alive and well today, but it's not the way it used to be.

  • Navigator13 Pleasant Grove, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 10:03 a.m.

    We know a few things about Dillon Taylor from the Deseret News article 2 days ago...

    We know police were responding to a report of "a man waving a gun around." We're told Dillon Taylor refused to show his hands, while the two others with him were compliant. We know he wrote on Facebook a week before he'd "die before I go do a lot of time."

    Does further investigation need to be done to find out what really happened? Certainly! But is it right to make the police force into a monster and a potentially illegally armed man into a martyr? Probably not until we know what really happened. As with similar cases this year, should we really expect our officers to wait for violence and a potential death before they take any action? Why wouldn't you show your hands when asked???

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 10:13 a.m.

    Why is it that in this article it does not give the ethnicity of the two men shot in SLC, but it says the man in St. Louis is African-American?

    Stirring the pot I guess

    It blows my mind that some side with the criminal before they will the police. In SLC, the man shot in the courtroom, jumped the railing and went after a witness. Police shot and killed to protect the witness. I would say this was justified.

    In the 7-11 parking lot, the man was being belligerent to the police, reported and suspected of having a gun. This is the info police have while rolling to the scene. The man makes a gesture to his waistband, shots fired. More to be determined here. But if the man complies with the police he is still alive. So the fault lies on the man.

    Officers have less than a second to make a snap decision to try to make sure "they" and everyone around stays safe. Others have days to pass judgement.

    The man in St. Louis, comply and your still alive. And if was supposedly leaving, how come he wasn't shot in the back?

  • RedWings CLEARFIELD, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 10:17 a.m.

    As the father of a police officer, I find it interesting how quick the protests and negative comments come when an officer uses his or her weapon, yet no one cares to protest when an offier is killed. What about fund-raising for better body armor for police, etc.?

    We have all ran into the occasional officer who is on a power trip. However, having met many of my child's co-workers, I find them all to be dedicated people who care and want to keep people safe. They deal with the lowest element of society on a regular basis to protect us all. And they do it for not a lot of money.

    Our police officers deserve our thanks and support, not outlandish accusations and generalizations that often come when a shooting occurs.

    One last point: Would Al Sharpton have some to St. Louis if a black officer shot an unarmed, white kid? Would there even be protests?

  • riverofsun St.George, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 10:26 a.m.

    How sad to read the lack of compassion and understanding in the forums of DN articles.
    Why is is so difficult to understand that the lives that those who are not as fortunate as many of us, are becoming a living hell? Little children are growing up embroiled in battle here in America.
    It is just as though many DN posters want "these people" gone, and prefer not to hear about their plight.
    Started reading and contributing to the DN forum about 7 years ago.
    The tone has changed considerably.
    Fear, the "we are better than you and it will never happen to us" attitude abounds. Lack of any tolerance or understanding is so prevalent.
    Our society appears to be out to get each other. Live and let live is gone. Help thy neighbor is heading south.
    Something as got to change, people. A terrorist attack won't be what destroys America.
    Looks like it will end up being neighbor against neighbor.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 10:48 a.m.

    Red Wings -- I agree that officers deserve our thanks and support. I appreciate what they do very much. Contrary to what you say, I think every time an officer has been killed that I'm aware of, the community came together to mourn. People leave flowers and candles, etc. at spontaneously set up monuments, etc. People do express appreciation and honor for police officers killed in the line of duty all the time. However, in incidents where police officers shoot citizens, it is not unreasonable to expect that those shootings be investigated. We can't assume every officer is perfect. And some police departments need better training. We can't pretend that isn't so just because we respect the work officers do. Thanks to your son for his service. (And by the way, if your son doesn't have adequate body armor, perhaps his city needs to raise some taxes to pay for it as opposed to having a bake sale to raise the money.)

  • Naked Truth Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 15, 2014 10:57 a.m.

    The media is fueling this thing, as they usually do. What about the white man in Detroit in his car that hit a kid darting into the street who was then dragged from his vehicle and beaten almost to death resulting in permanent brain damage? The perpetrators (who are black) subsequently got off pretty easy with essentially slaps on the wrist. Where's the outrage? Where's the white Al Sharpton to stand in protest with the victim and his family? What if the respective race of the participants in this were reversed? How different would it be if the perpetrators were white and had gotten off easy, after nearly beating to death a black man? It's the media that decides how much attention we're supposed to pay to this sort of thing. And Al Sharpton is simply an opportunist looking to throw gasoline on the bonfire.

  • sthomaslewis Corvallis, OR
    Aug. 15, 2014 11:09 a.m.

    Recent reports indicate that Michael Brown reaches for the officer's weapon. That action could result in the officer shooting him.

  • RedWings CLEARFIELD, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 11:16 a.m.

    @ Wonder:

    Agreed. There is a large outpouring from the community when an officer is shot. I over-generalized in my last post.

    I guess my frustration stems from the comments some make, and how quickly the "police brutality" label is thrown around.

    I am amazed at the constant level of awareness and self-protection officers have to be trained to have, especially while in uniform. One neighbor I used to have was involved in arresting a bike gang leader, and was specifically threatened by the gang. He installed video surveillance all around his house on his own dime. And he made $45,000 a year!!

    Self-protection is the top priority for officers. Someone not obeying commands runs a risk, armed or not. Police can't usually tell. Not sure what happened in these recent cases, but I am grateful for the training officers receive that gets them home to their families at night....

  • Midvaliean MIDVALE, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 11:34 a.m.

    Militarized Police, coming to a demonstration near you. Maybe it will be the demonstration/protest that you cared about. The problem here is the police can tear gas journalists and basically run the town. That is wrong, on so many levels.

  • John Locke Ivins, , UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 11:49 a.m.

    There is now a video that apparently shows a 6' 4" young man that fits the description of the one who was shot by police, located in a small grocery store, which robbery occurred a few minutes before the fatal shooting. He was a apparently not armed, but used his 6' 4" height and 290 lbs body to strong arm a small grocery clerk out of a $50 box of cigars. He didn't need a gun; just intimidation.

    This shows why we need to wait for all of the facts to come in. If, indeed, this is the same young man, then the police were arresting someone who had just robbed a store. Changes the facts from, "He just shot the young man dead for no reason," to, "the police were responding to a robbery; the young man fit the description provided by the store clerk, he resisted arrest (if he did) and he was shot."

    The aftermath of store looting, robbery and property destruction that followed finds no excuse in the young man's death. Those who can be found, should be arrested and charged, just like any white or brown man who did the same.

  • illuminated St George, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 12:30 p.m.

    So let me get this straight with what we know so far: A large black male that matches the description of Michael Brown robs a store, stealing a box of cigars, fighting off the store owner who is half his size. Police are called, and an officer shows up who ends up with injuries to his face and leaves the Michael Brown dead.

    Hundreds go out robbing stores and destroying property and the police are called to try to keep the peace. Reporters come in and use a McDonalds as a base of operations. They are asked to leave by the restaurant and they refuse. Police are called to have them forcibly removed.

    Yet, the moral of the story is that the police are monsters? What, for getting called in to keep people from stealing, looting, and trespassing? Am I living on Mars?

  • sjames AMERICAN FORK, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 1:10 p.m.

    @TMR

    He's right that, had the victim been white, there would have been little to no press.
    I could send you dozens of brutal cases of black on white crime. Most of the involve, beating, rape, murder and extreme racism. Another thing common with most of them is that they never made national news.

    You admit that the attention given to white victims is not as in-depth, what is the dynamic causing this?

    I would argue that the dynamics include: race-baiters, overly enthusiastic rioters, and people who are way to quick to judge.

    Let's face it, you can't sensationalize a black on white crime without looking like a racist, even if the crime is severely horrendous.

    I think that we can all agree that local police have too much power, inadequate oversight and are way too militirized. Race is irrelevant to all except those who try to make it relevant.

  • RedWings CLEARFIELD, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 2:15 p.m.

    The police are only "militarized" because of what they have to face from criminals.

    Davis County Sheriffs have an armored vehicle. Why? Because it is very easy to purchase a .50 caliber rifle, which will easily pierce a traditional police vehicle and standard body armor.

    I think all of us would agree that police officers deserve to be safe on the job while they are protecting us. Some can try to make this into communist Russia, but that just is not the case.

  • Kora Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 3:22 p.m.

    I have lived all around this country, including the St Louis area. The truth that many don't know about St Louis is that it is one of the most dangerous cities in the USA. When I lived in the area, it was ranked #1, just ahead of Detroit. It is a more dangerous city than DC or Chicago.

    The young man who was shot had just robbed a convenience store a few minutes before the shooting. The revealing of this fact has upset his family and protesters in the community, calling it "character assassination". So they want the info on the officer, but don't want the truth out about him. Why?

    There was a recent shooting in Jersey City where a black man stole a gun from a security guard at Walgreens and waited for police to arrive so he could shoot a cop. He shot and killed an officer, and was subsequently shot and killed by other officers. The memorial at the scene to the cop killer was bigger than for the killed officer, and the killer's wife stated that her husband should have killed more police. This is the attitude cops face.

  • Owl Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 4:06 p.m.

    That is the proper way to demonstrate. Rioting and looting only reinforce stereotypes that responsible leaders have been trying to change. All of the facts are not available and some comments only reflect the bias of the author.

  • environmental idiot Sanpete, UT
    Aug. 16, 2014 1:21 a.m.

    Michael Brown is nothing more than a common thief. The survey lance video shows him robbing a convenience store. He was caught and resisted to stay out of jail. Paint him for what he is.

  • Serenity Manti, UT
    Aug. 16, 2014 4:49 p.m.

    There are so many facets to this story that no one really knows what happened. The black boy, who is turning out to be rather huge man instead of a boy, would know if he were alive. The white cop knows, but his words are of very little value against a crowd of people who already have him convicted of murder. The news media tells all sorts of stories but all they concentrate on are the riots and people yelling about police brutality. No one really concentrates on how the policeman was driving in his patrol car and he saw two young men walking in the middle of the street. All he did was tell them to get off the middle of the road. Instead of listening to a lawful order, the two started to attack the white cop, punching him in the face and trying to take his gun. He had two big men attacking him and he must have been fearful for his life. But the crowds already have him convicted of murder because he was a white cop. Racism? I wonder who this racism is going to convict?