Family says victim was not armed when officer shot him
Before this turns into a Trayvon Martin/Mike Brown discussion, let's be
clear. If you waive a gun at police in a public area and actually fire a the
gun, you are going to be shot by the police. Is that idea so difficult to
understand. In fact, let's teach that to our kids. It's simple:
Shoot a gun at police and you will be shot by police. Now, repeat it three
times.Thank you law enforcement for protecting and serving our
First, to USAlover, there is no indication in this article that this man had a
gun. In fact the only information provided is that of his friends who said he
did not have a gun. While belligerence is not the best way to talk
to a cop, it still falls within 'we the people's' 1st Amendment
rights. While we should be polite, there is no law that I am aware of that says
we can't be belligerent to a cop. That is clearly not grounds to shoot, or
even arrest, someone.There is a lot more to this story, which will,
hopefully, eventually come out. Whether or not his the whole truth is a
different issue, we must remember that the proverbial 'blue wall"
Fitz; while I believe you are correct about the 'blue wall' clouding
the truth, I feel that sometimes the media will sensationalize the story for the
sake of sales. also, it's hard to be impartial in the amount of space they
are allowed. so media may corrupt the story either intentionally or
unintentionally and do as much damage as the 'blue wall'.
@ FitzYou're right, people do have their 1st Amendment rights.
However, lets understand what that is. It is not just freedom to say whatever
you want. The 1st Amendment rights are actually not to have your freedom of
speech abridged/shortened. When the police say you will be given a chance to
share your side, you will be. But don't be belligerent. To say the victim
in this case was belligerent to a cop. We are required to follow and respect
the law. The Police is the law. When an officer arrives at a scene or
incident, they becomes the law. So yes, there is a law that says we cannot be
belligerent to a cop. It just depends on how far the police officer is going to
allow you to push it. This law is called obstruction of justice. Being
belligerent falls under this law.
With regards to the situation. Do we have police officers who abuse their
power. Yes we do! However, if a police officer ask you to stop and talk with
him, there is no reason to get all huffy puffy/belligerent. Just go talk to the
cop. If you have nothing to hide, why become a chump. If you have nothing to
hide, it is going to take a few minutes and then you are on your way. We ask
these men in uniform to go out and keep our streets safe. So the best way to
make them feel safe themselves, where they may no have to pull a gun, is to
respect them and their authority. If all is good in the hood, everyone goes
home unharmed. We don't know the full story of this, was the police
officer unjustified in his actions. Maybe, Maybe Not? But if the guy who is
dead now would have not been so belligerent, we would probably be commenting on
an arrest or just an incident where everyone went home safely today. My
opinion, not the cops fault, this is the person who wanted to be above the laws
Fitz,Did you even read the first line of the article?"Officers who shot and killed a man Monday night were responding to a call
of a man "waving a gun around," investigators said Tuesday"That indicates there may have been a gun. Proof? No, just as its not proof
when his friends say he didn't have a gun.But seriously, did
you not read the first line of the article?Want to try again?
What is difference with the community response between St Louis and South Salt
Lake. Did not both of them involve police shooting of unarmed young men?Why the big delay in announcing if he was armed or not. If he was armed
and he was shot and killed shouldn't the gun be there beside his body?
Sounds like the kid was out of control and got what he was expecting. There
should be no surprises here.
By the comments on his facebook page. . he was looking to die. Did he reach for
his waistband knowing the police might think he was going for a gun and would
shoot him. He said he wanted to die and he knew a warrant was out for him.
My thoughts and prayers are with the law enforcement officer who is serving and
protecting all of society. He cannot be happy about these events. Sim Gill
will do a thorough investigation, and has no hesitation to charge cops if there
is the slightest hint of wrongdoing.However, the dead man himself
wrote "...ill die before I go do a lot of time in a cell,"so he
got what he expected, and certainly was in a frame of mind to know that he was
likely to encounter cops and had ample time to plan his strategy on how to deal
with the situation. Given his past record of crimes, convictions, and threats
of cold blooded violence against others he was no innocent child. Troubled,
yes.I'll stand with the cops, and the dead man's family on
The police are in a difficult situation here.They have a report of a
man waving a gun around...so when they show up what information are they
operating under? An armed man. They try to give the guy instructions and he is
argumentative and potentially ignoring their commands and then reaches toward
his waistband.So, should the cops wait for him to pull the gun and
start firing potentially injuring the police or innocent bystanders?Then we are 2nd guessing the police for not acting sooner.This guy
admitted on his own Facebook page he was essentially never going to jail which
translated means he was not surrendering to police.Unfortunate
someone died here but lets be reasonable before we blame police. That being
said there are police that make incorrect decisions but if you are facing a
potential gunman and you want to go home to your family that night...it might be
easy to make an impulsive decision.It is also interesting that when
a white young man is shot (potentially unarmed) that SLC did not use it as an
excuse to loot the town.Fascinating isn't it?
We need to know all the facts. For instance, who called in about a man, that
fits description of the person who was gunned down by police, and said that he
was waving around a gun?This looks bad for police right now.I mean, let's say theoretically that you are a rival of someone
that wants you killed,All they have to do is call police and say
description of you and maybe falsely claim that they you were brandishing a
firearm and the police will do the rest? .... not good.
Issuing ultimatums can backfire if you are not careful.
"While I'm disturbed by the use of deadly force while other non-lethal
tools are available to law enforcement, it's difficult for anyone to judge
the actions taken by police in a split-second, life-or-death situation. I hope
everyone will withhold judgment about Dillon and the police officers'
actions until a full investigation is completed."Excellent
advice from a family member of Dillon Taylor.
Yes, we should withhold judgment until the district attorney investigates this
and if and when it gets to court. The best witnesses will be the two men who
accompanied the victim.By the way, "belligerent" is a broad
term used by law enforcement that creates the feeling of a suspect being
aggressive toward police when in reality the suspect may simply have exercised a
free speech right to voice his opinion about officers and their parentage.I think the headline to this story was very slanted against the victim.
Here we go again, all the authorities of how police should have done this or
that differently. Somehow the concept that this isn't like you see on TV
escapes them. TV shows are not reality, folks. This is a very preliminary
report, trying to fill pages and not really giving an idea of what evidence is
available in the case. It isn't TV, so it doesn't get solved in a n
hour. Let the proper investigation proceed before you light the torches and
sharpen your pitchforks.
I agree with the statements that express that we should wait for evidence and
not jump to conclusions on either side of this issue. I often wonder, though,
how bad and how safe are our jails when people would rather die than be
I worked for the police, sheriffs in California, I was able to go on a lot of
"ride-a-longs" Most people who have nothing better to do than criticize
police I think need to go on one. The world has changed so drastically that you
have no idea the danger police are put in. I am amazed when family cries for
justice for their loved one, however tend to forget that their loved one was
robbing a convenience store or person, running from the police, non-compliant
with police orders.... Really? Aren't we forgetting something? They are
committing a crime!!! He had headphones on... ok you can't see the several
police cars with lights going off and men in a uniform surrounding you? Ummm how
about putting your hands up first? I am willing to bet a year's pay that
you will be so happy to see them when it is you or your loved ones are in
trouble and need those same officers!
I have lived all over the country, including ten years in Utah. I've had
encounters with the police for various traffic infractions. Each and every
interaction was professional, courteous, and over in a few minutes. Why? Because
I chose to comply with the officers request. Show my license, registration and
proof of insurance? Sure, here you go officer. There hasn't been a time
that I was pulled over for something that I was innocent. I got caught, and the
job of the police officer is to enforce the law People with an over-inflated
sense of entitlement don't get this simple concept and choose to curse,
berate, yell, scream, or otherwise verbally abuse the police officer who is
empowered to do whatever it takes to make you comply with his commands. Up to
and including deadly force. So it's really in your best interest to comply,
politely and it will all be over in minutes. If you think the police officer was
abusive or unprofessional, there are channels to lodge a complaint...after the
fact. It's not that hard.
Robbing stores and threatening to shoot people? Live by the sword, die by the