John Boehner may say that he is not going to pursue impeachment, but it should
be painfully obvious by now that he has no control whatsoever over his caucus.
How many times now has he had to withdraw a bill because his own people
won't vote for it?
"If carried through [an impeachment] to a successful conclusion, it would
negate the will of the people as expressed in an election."Well
said. If the Republicans were to impeach Obama it would strain the unity of
this country. And an impeachment and conviction would lead to rebellion in the
streets. We socialists hope we are ready.
Let us show our weakness to our enemies by fighting amongst ourselves. China and
Russia are loving our civil unrest. They are waiting for the slightest hit of a
collapse. Why would we fail ourselves by impeaching our own President?House Speaker John Boehner should be tried for treason for attacking one of
our own soldiers who was held captive for five years. Now this impeachment grand
standing is another fine act of his. He is trying to create civil unrest and
doing his best to destroy this country. I am sure he picks up his government
check every two weeks and enjoys the best healthcare WE can pay for. Why
doesn't he just do his job and clean up the mess that he helped create?
What it should be but won't is fact!
"To bandy about impeachment threats today as a political ploy is an insult
to that history and a disservice to the electorate."Surely to
follow will be the discussion of "well, your side did it also"Question to those on the right.Do you believe Obama should be
The Democrats may be using talk of impeachment to fund raise, but they
didn't start the discussion. Here is very partial list of Republicans
discussing Obama's impeachment.Mike Huckabee, Jim Tracy, Steve
King, Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Steve Scalise, Jason Chaffetz, Ted Yoho, Lou
Barletta, Steve Stockman, Kerry Bentivolio, James Inhofe, Blacke Farenthold,
Louie Gohmert and many of the AM conservative talk radio hosts.The
delusional wing of the extreme right has gotten so upset that the more rational
members of the GOP have had to sue the President, in an attempt to placate the
How do you hold a lawless president accountable? Can't impeach him,
can't sue him, congress can't stop him, even the SCOTUS can't
desuade him! Obama is totally unaccountable! Perfect definition of a monarchy!
This has happened in other countries and the result have ALWAYS been disastrous!
It's unfortunate that the proposed basis for impeachment has degenerated
from "high crimes and misdemeanors" as envisaged by the Founding Fathers
into "not doing things the way our party wants him to do them." None of
the impeachment proponents have played the movie all the way to the end of the
last reel, considering what full-blown impeachment proceedings would do to the
country and our economy. Impeachment is really a nuclear-option to be reserved
for a president who tries to be a dictator in the literal sense of the word, not
something we drag out every time he issues an executive order we don't like
in order to get around an obstructionist congress that's determined to
bring ruin to the country in order to keep a president they don't like from
having a successful presidency. Too many extremists would follow a
scorched-earth policy, blocking everything Obama does no matter what the cost,
and then want to cry "impeach him" when they fail.
What do the citizens expect Congress to do with a President who openly violates
his oath to protect and defend the Constitution? What do the citizens expect
Congress to do with a President who refuses to enact the laws passed by
Congress? What do the citizens expect Congress to do with a President who signs
into law legislation that was passed illegally by the Democrats in Congress?We have laws that govern government. One of those laws is that the
President "shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction
of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." (Article II,
Section 4).We have a police force in every town in America whose job
it is to collect facts about anyone who is suspected of committing a crime. We
have courts that give a trial to anyone arrested. We have juries whose duty it
is to decide whether the State presented sufficient evidence that a crime has
been committed.Why should the President be excluded from the system
if there is evidence that he misused the powers of his office?
The only reason the D-News is lamenting the talk about impeachment is because
Democrats are deriving an advantage in fundraising via the energizing effect
this subject has on the Democratic base. Otherwise, the D-News and
Republicans would quietly let the discussion pull Obama down, would look the
other way.Where was the D-News, where were reasonable Republicans,
when the ridiculous "controversy" about Obama's birth certificate
was the topic? It wasn't enough that the State of Hawaii repeatedly
declared Obama was born in Honolulu. It took Obama releasing his actual hand
written birth certificate, which of course was insufficient for the extreme
conspiracy theorists, but it effectively ended the entirely out-of-hand faux
controversy designed to de-legitimize the President.Why should
anyone think Republicans and the D-News are now high-minded idealists? Please...
Good thing the tea party has ran its course.
How many impeachable offenses has he done and not been. Belief is only what you
can count on or depend on.
RE: Mainly Me "Obama is a criminal ..."Talk like this is
driving permanent wedges into American society. Dangerous to the system? You
Make sure Jason "impeachment is on the table" Chaffetz get the memo.
It's already a proven track record for the GOP -- When you
can't win on merits, Can't win in elections or re-elections, Can't win public opinion, Can't win by shutting down the
Government, Then why not throw out the nuclear option and just trump up
something - anything - and try impeachment.And
don't any of you think they won't, They already have a proven
track record, it is exactly what they did with Bill Clinton.
It would work great!President serves three years, and everybody
else two.Too many decisions are based on re-elections. A big waste!
Give others the chance to serve their country.Political office is
@mountainman: Bush enjoyed his rein of terror and you cheered him on. Every time
anyone spoke out against Bush and his actions it was like a scene form a old
fascist move where storm troopers would smash them to the ground and drag them
away. How do you like Homeland Security and the Patriot Act? The GOP praised
Bush for these two direct hits to our constitution. Now you are awake and
screaming foul at Obama?? Was you asleep during the glorious years of GW? Was
you at the coliseum while Roam burned?
One Vote"Good thing the tea party has ran its course."You wish. It's only going to get stronger.
Nothing is uniting democrats more and re-energizing their base while
demoralizing the GOP's than this impeachment talk nonsense. I
have a feeling that the midterms aren't going to be very pretty for the
repubs. Repubs have ticked off the wrong base. Time to vote out all
republicans and try the tea party for treason!
To all of you shouting "he's a tyrant!": you are aware that
that's nonsense, right? He's a politician whose policies you disagree
with. That's it. That's all. Ratchet down the rhetoric, if you really
are a patriot.
As already quoted, the conditions for impeachment are: "shall be removed
from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other
high Crimes and Misdemeanors." (Article II, Section 4).The
lowest level of cause for impeachment is a misdemeanor. This POTUS has done
much worse than that by his lying and unilaterally changing a law that has been
passed by Congress. The problem is that we have come to feel that removal of a
POTUS will be bad for the country. It won't. What is bad is to let any
POTUS get away with these reasons for impeachment and removal from office.
Unfortunately, that is what has happened in the past 50+ years. The current
POTUS knows history and isn't afraid of any possibility of being removed
from office. We are in a sad place right now and it won't change until we
get some elected officials in Washington that are true patriots who care more
about country than party affiliation.
I read the headline and was surprised to see something so truthful come from
this paper's editors, but then I started reading the body of the opinion
and my low expectations were met. Only the News could turn this around and blame
it on the Democrats, completely ignoring the impeachment talk comes from the
right. All one must do is look at the comments on this thread from conservatives
to see origins of the idea of impeachment. The one thing that this opinion got
right is impeachment should not be a political ploy, but it's the
Republicans and Tea Party who are the culprits.
“To bandy about impeachment threats today as a political ploy is an insult
to that history and a disservice to the electorate.”EXACTLY.And it is Republican Politicos who, almost ROUTINELY, have
bandied about the impeachment threat. It excites their base of support.The list of Republican incumbents who have discussed impeaching
President Obama is a long one, and it includes Utah’s own Republican
Congressman Jason ChaffetzBut now it’s very apparent that all
this impeachment talk on the part of Republican demagogic geniuses is
solidifying the Democratic base too. In essence, Representative
Chaffetz and his vocal Republicans colleagues are doing a wonderful service for
Democrats, by raising multiple millions in campaign money for Democratic
Candidates.Thank you Representative Chaffetz for doing so much good
for the Democratic Party.We’ve raised millions in campaign
funds, and we could not have done it without YOU.
First some Republicans (like Palin) were calling for impeachment. Then some
(like McCain) realized that it could backfire on them politically in the
upcoming elections. Then they claimed Democrats were actually hoping for a move
to impeach and covertly encouraging it. They next speculated that Obama himself
would take some executive actions to initiate the impeachment process. Now the
very conservative Deseret News is saying that this is all trivializing
impeachment, which should not be used for political purposes. What a fantastic
speculative drama is unfolding over what was likely not a serious, realistic or
constitutionally valid issue in the very beginning.
Impeachment talk was first floated by Republicans purely as red meat to keep
their far-right base's wallets open. Now that they have realized that the
only thing it does is energize Democrats while making themselves look ridiculous
to the majority of Americans, and so they're disingenuously whining that it
wasn't their idea in the first place. Pathetic.
It'd be nice if some people realized that Presidenting while Democrat is
not an impeachable offense...
I'll agree that Obama should be impeached when the right agrees that
Cheney, Bush, Rice, and Rove can be tried for war crimes by a middle-east
Theatrics at it's most deplorable. By all accounts, when compared to our
past Presidents, Obama is center-right in terms of policy and yet conservatives
can't seem to come close to wrapping their heads around that fact. I am not a Democrat and I don't like that they are raising millions
upon millions of dollars off of this - which will only help them solidify the
duopoly that exists in Washington. However, it is hilarious to note that the
DesNews has printed this article, it seems even they are realizing that
conservatives are literally pushing themselves off a cliff. This has nothing to
do with the DesNews' respect for the office of the President, etc...,
rather it is their weak attempt to help the GOP avoid self-destruction.
As I pointed out in another article, the House of Representatives convicts a
President when it impeaches him. By itself, this has little meaning. Only the
Senate has the power to inflict the corresponding punishment of removal from
office.For Pres. Obama at this time, it is a very remote
possibility. I'm glad his supporters are willing to fork over the dough in
face of this minuscule threat.
"Why should the President be excluded from the system if there is evidence
that he misused the powers of his office?"He shouldn't and
isn't excluded.If there's grounds for impeachment, then
bring on impeachment. Otherwise, all this GOP chest-puffing is nothing more
than the federal equivalent of police harassment.
It would seem that any move to take the extreme step of overturning the election
of a President should be bipartisan to say the least.
Obama will only be president for a couple more years. It would take longer
than that to either win a lawsuit or impeach him, even if such action may be
justified. Don't waste the taxpayer money with either of these actions,
A very common sense editorial. Thank you.We must have a governable
nation. If each side seeks to simply destroy the other through any means
possible, there won't be a nation left for "our side" to govern.No matter our politics, we should surely see that the survival of the
nation trumps the ascendancy of our particular ideals.I beg all to
read Washington's Farewell Address. Forgive please my religious tone but I
see his views of America's opportunities and trials to be almost prophetic.
His insights into the destructive nature of partisanship are still highly
Frankly put, the GOP's threats of impeachment are shameful, plain and
simple. They mock our system of government, the Constitution, and the rule of
If you really want Joe Biden to be president you should have just voted for him.
The GOP is just showing that it can do nothing helpful in this country. I'm
ashamed of their antics and the Deseret News need to start giving better
coverage to both sides.
@aniti bush Obama So remind us again how the tea party has been doing
Let us all not forget that right wing radio was calling for the removal of the
President only weeks after his first election. There has been an ongoing and
concerted effort by Republicans to negate two elections by calling into question
the President's citizenship, his ethnicity, his religious predilections,
his loyalties, and indeed his politics.How that man gets up in the
AM each day and does good for the country is a wonder to me. Any of the rest of
us facing such unrelenting hatred and lies would have chucked it a long time
ago. I believe that years from now that Obama will be seen as some
sort of martyr for the country, if only because of the withering unwarranted
criticism dealt to him. And the right wing movements that have
demonized the President will be remembered as the unwanted step child of Joseph
McCarthy. There is a legacy I will celebrate.
Talk radio is ripe with this, so is conservative TV, but who runs the GOP?? They
actually have to have a real charge against the President, not just a great
dislike of the man.
Didn't the Democrats try to impeach Bush?
The GOP is never got over Nixon. They try this with Clint, now they are trying
it with Obama. Sometime shortly after November 11, 2016 they will be trying it
with another Clinton.The rhetoric against Obama always includes
overt or subtle attitudes about race. The presidents primary crime is
"… while black." As in "walking while black," "driving
while black," or "presiding while black." Racial profiling is common
in many parts of the country, especially the south and in the GOP.
"Didn't the Democrats try to impeach Bush?"No.
There is only one word adequate to describe the action of the GOP in all
this.That word is S-T-U-P-I-D
GOP: We don't have time for meaningless symbolic gestures. We have
serious problems. The president won't be removed. Deal with this reality
and do something actually useful like working with the Dems to help our country
prelax: There was some talk, nothing this serious. I know Rocky Anderson gave
a speech. It was as stupid then as it is as stupid now. I hope this isn't
the new course for our government. A president gets elected and the Congress,
which may be controlled by the opposition party threatens impeachment. This
will not be good for our country.
Of course Barack Hussein Obama (is he Osama's brother) needs to be
impeached. But will he? No.And the reason for impeachment is that
he goes off and does things on his own. The way our system of governance works
is... if the president wants something done he goes to the US Congress and asks
them to consider it and if they approve, pass a law, including the appropriation
of funding. Then the president carries out the law passed. He doesn't
make things up out of whole cloth. He doesn't go off on his own hook with
his 'pen and phone' in hand. His job, per the US Constitution, is to
see that the laws (as passed by the US Congress) be faithfully executed.
That's it. Nothing else.
During the presidency of George W. Bush, several American politicians sought to
either investigate Bush for allegedly impeachable offenses, or to bring actual
impeachment charges on the floor of the United States House of Representatives
Judiciary Committee. The most significant of these efforts occurred on June 10,
2008, when Congressman Dennis Kucinich, along with co-sponsor Robert Wexler,
introduced 35 articles of impeachment against Bush to the U.S. House of
Representatives. The House voted 251 to 166 to refer the impeachment resolution
to the Judiciary Committee on June 11, where no further action was taken on
it.source:WikipediaThe correct answer is yes.
Lou Montana: Two wrongs dont make a right. Actually, we have to get the
government under control sooner or later, why not now? Obama is every bit as
crooked as Bush was. It doesnt matter to me what party they're from; if
they're trying to take our rights away & give them to other countries,
they need to go. But then, there's the question, who in our political
world has the integrity to lead the way we need our government to be led?
Rather disheartening, IMO.
The funny thing is that there are twice as many Democrats talking about
impeachment than Republicans. Most of the Republicans that are talking about
impeachment say that there are no plans for impeachment.The liberals
are using this as a political distraction and rally point. Republicans have no
intention to impeach Obama.
impeachment of Barack Obama is 100% valid but sadly has zero chance of success
with the Senate being the blocker. The man is lawless and arrogant and corrupt
but the only way forward to impeach would be to have the results of IRS
investigation showing the clear link to the White House (which there most likely
is). This investigation is dead in the water until Harry Reid is out as the
leader of the senate...the man will simply road block anything and everything.
So set impeachment aside for now....
Didn't the Democrats talk about impeaching Bush?Answer:
Yes.Talk is talk. Get over the partisanship. Opposition is
opposition. Let it all play out.
I attended a Chris Steward town hall last year, a young man stood up and told
the congressman that he is a member of the ROTC, then proceeded to ask when was
the congress going to start impeachment against the President?? For what??
Because you don't like him?? I asked that question in the town hall and you
could of heard a pin drop. Unless my memory fails me the President has not
committed any actual crimes.