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BYU football history: Could Cougar fans really root for Goliath?

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  • FatMan86 West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 10:22 a.m.

    BYU the dominant fat cat? Umm, yeah. That won't be happening anytime soon.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 10:40 a.m.

    Interesting article on ESPN today. All big boy coaches were polled and almost 50% favor ONLY playing games against other big boys - and 15% were still undecided.

    That would be the END of byu football, since you case you you guys forgot, you are definitely NOT a big boy.

    They day is close that byu will play ZERO big boys on their entire schedule. And byu football will be gone!

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 11:07 a.m.

    "It really wasn't that long ago that Western Athletic Conference foes saw BYU as a dominant, all-pervasive force."

    Not that long ago? All-pervasive force?...that's a little over the top, don't you think?

    30 years ago byu dominated the WAC...a pathetic excuse of a conference. 30 years is a very long time ago, especially in the sports world, yet byu fans still believe byu dominates. In an era where byu has no conference, didn't dominate the last conference they were in, and currently begs for any table scraps the power conference teams are willing to throw their way.

    Welcome to the new reality, coug fans.

  • Levin Reno, NV
    Aug. 7, 2014 12:12 p.m.

    Chris B: FYI, your coach was undecided, and Gary Andersen was strongly opposed to B5-only scheds. IMO, this poll is locker room bulletin board material for any non-B5 team that plays any of those teams. None more than Sark and Chris Petersen for BYU fans.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 12:26 p.m.

    Despite your fantasy christy, BYU continues to schedule teams like USC, UCLA, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Nebraska far into the future.

    The truth is, most P5 schools still consider BYU a bigger opponent than Utah.

    Utah got a little lucky when Michigan jumped the gun on the pending PAC 12 / B1G scheduling agreement and agreed to a home-and-home with Utah, but that's the only elite team that's ever agreed to visit RES aside from USC now being forced to visit SLC because of Utah's PAC 12 affiliation.

    Call us the next time Ohio State, Wisconsin, Texas, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Florida State, Miami, or any team from the SEC agrees to visit tiny RES.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 12:44 p.m.

    True blue.

    I think you missed what is happening.

    The big boys may start only playing big boys.

    Every single big boy conference recently individually reiterated that byu is a mid major like Wyoming.

    Lol! Your program is over!

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    Aug. 7, 2014 12:48 p.m.

    TrueBlue

    I don't see Notre Dame ever wanting to play the Utes in SLC.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Aug. 7, 2014 1:17 p.m.

    Thanks Chris B., for bringing the ESPN poll to my attention. It is indeed an interesting poll. 30 in favor of only P5 scheduling, 23 against, and 15 undecided. Those coaches against include: FSU (Fisher), GTech (Johnson), Ohio State (Meyer), Wiscy (Anderson), Texas (Strong), TCU (Patterson), Notre Dame (Kelly), AZ (Rodriquez), AK (Bielema, Georgia (Richt), SC (Spurrier).

    If you look closely you'll see that nearly half of those against P5 exclusivity have recently played BYU. Throw in coaches from the undecided category (with BC, Virginia, Cal, Utah, WSU) and it looks like a lot of coaches agree with AZ's Rodriquez that "some of those [Group of Five teams] are better than the so-called 'haves' [Power Five teams]."

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 1:24 p.m.

    @ TrueBlue

    "The truth is, most P5 schools still consider BYU a bigger opponent than Utah."

    Are you sure. The ACC and SEC consider BYU a mid-major, and the PAC-12 actually invited Utah to become a member. That's more than half of the P5 teams right there.

    I don't know why BYU fans buy into the idea that Utah can't attract quality teams to RES. When Utah was in the MWC it hosted Pitt, UNC, Oregon St., UCLA, Arizona (twice), Cal, Oregon, Washington St (during its Rose Bowl season), and Texas A&M.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 1:34 p.m.

    Christy

    What you don't seem to understand is that if the P5s decide only to schedule P5s, the chances of Utah ever finishing another season with a winning record becomes almost nil.

    Replacing Weber State, Fresno State, and Northern Illinois with Michigan, Oklahoma State, and Georgia Tech effectively guarantees that the Utes will never finish better than 5-7 and bowl less.

    If you think that the Huntsman Center looked empty during the last few seasons, wait'll you see what RES is going to look like when an endless string of 3 and 4 win seasons is all you have to look forward to.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 1:39 p.m.

    TrueBlue
    Orem, UT

    You sound desperate and emotional, TrueBlue.

    "BYU continues to schedule teams like USC, UCLA, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Nebraska far into the future."

    Far into the future is correct. However, byu is a somewhat respectable win for USC and UCLA within Pac-12 footprint (low travel cost). It's smart for the Pac-12 to use byu. Is Michigan and Nebraska visiting LES? Your comment implies there are multiple games with them.

    "The truth is, most P5 schools still consider BYU a bigger opponent than Utah."

    Really? Is that the truth, TrueBlue? If you can't support it you made it up.

    Utah...away and home with the Wolverines. Spin how you want...Michigan will be in SLC next year. Who is byu playing that day?

    "USC now being forced to visit SLC because of Utah's PAC 12 affiliation."

    LOL! Clearly, USC agreed to expand the conference and will be in SLC this year. Who is byu playing that day? Oregon will be at RES on Nov 8. Who is byu playing that day?

  • Sports Are Great Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 1:40 p.m.

    Two for Flinching - when did the the ACC and SEC say anything about Utah? Your sound logic isn't so sound my friend. I'm not bashing on Utah, just the lack of simple reasoning in your comment.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 1:49 p.m.

    Solomon - And what will LES look like when P5 only play P5?

    It will be the new rugby stadium. LOL!

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Aug. 7, 2014 2:03 p.m.

    RE: MyPerspective

    "The truth is, most P5 schools still consider BYU a bigger opponent than Utah." (TrueBlue)
    Really? Is that the truth, TrueBlue? If you can't support it you made it up."

    I agree with TrueBlue so I'll gladly provide some evidence. Your (MP) spin was that regard comes from who is willing to schedule you, especially for away games. That makes little sense as P5 schools are padding their schedules all the time with cupcakes, even occasionally on the road.

    I think a better metric would be preseason rankings. Those show how good you're expected to be and have little correlation with the actual quality of a program. It stands to reason that the "bigger opponent" would be ranked higher more often. I haven't looked this up yet so I'm not sure if BYU or Utah usually ranks higher. I'll check into it right now and gladly eat crow if I'm wrong and Utah is the "bigger opponent."

  • Rose Bowl call yet? Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 2:16 p.m.

    MyPerspective

    The big boys of the PAC 12 were happy to schedule Utah as an annual punching bag to help them pad their conference record. Being forced to play in RES every other year was simply the price they were willing to pay to hold a CCG.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 2:25 p.m.

    USA Today 2014 Pre-Season Poll
    Utah - 66
    USU - 46
    BYU - 34
    Enough said about relevance. Coach Rodriquez was absolutely correct in his assessment; and could he have been taking about Utah and BYU.

  • BYUJDMBA San Diego, CA
    Aug. 7, 2014 2:28 p.m.

    BYU and Utah are still basically playing at the same level, making Utah a Pac-12 punching bag and BYU a winner due to a slightly weaker schedule. The only thing Utah can brag about is its recent (aberrant, and now, irrelevant) win streak against the Cougars. It's clear that if BYU is a mid-major it's one of the best, while many of the P-5 schools are only in those conferences due to historical accident, including Utah (does Utah get a full cut of Pac-12 profits yet?). For now, I'm enjoying independence much more than my Utah buds are enjoying the Pac-12, and if BYU continues to beat the teams in front of it, it will out-recruit and outperform the Utes in the long run (winning begets winning). BYU's risk is the P-5 circles the wagons, but it's still too convenient for the Pac-12 to schedule the Y, the independents and the better mid-majors want us, and the Big XII may still decide it wants championship money. We'll be fine. Will U?

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 2:32 p.m.

    MyPerspective

    You sound like you're trying to ignore the reality that doesn't fit your fantasy.

    Remind us that last time Utah scheduled an OOC game against any elite team, besides Michigan, in RES.

    Teams like Penn St, Miami, Texas, Florida St, and Notre Dame have been visiting LES for decades.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Aug. 7, 2014 2:46 p.m.

    MyPerspective

    I’m not saying preseason ranking is a great measure of who the “more relevant” team is, but it is some evidence, which is more than you have provided. Other decent measures would include end-of-season rankings, attendance, “hatability” (relevant teams are more hated than irrelevant ones). Go ahead and show how Utah outranks BYU in any of those categories.

    Preseason rankings
    2014 ESPN Power Index - BYU 31, Utah 40
    2014 USA today (coaches poll) – BYU 38, Utah NR
    2014 Phil Steele – BYU 38, Utah NR
    2014 Mike DeSimone – BYU 57, Utah 77
    2013 Deadspin - BYU 48, Utah 83
    2013 Bleacher Report – BYU 38, Utah 81
    2011 Bleacher report – BYU 39, Utah 41

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 7, 2014 2:46 p.m.

    christina

    "And what will LES look like when P5 only play P5?"

    What's the point of arguing a hypothetical that will never happen?

    We realize that the demise of BYU athletics is a fantasy of yours, but the truth is, BYU is in a much better position to weather this latest storm than Utah.

    If the P5s try to push this too far, there are things like congressional investigations and anti-trust lawsuits that even the NCAA is not immune to.

    If you think that's an idle threat, you're only fooling yourself.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 2:52 p.m.

    @ Sports Are Great

    What would they say? Utah is a full member of the PAC-12, and is therefor a P5 team which would fulfill ACC and SEC scheduling requirements.

  • CBPapa Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 3:03 p.m.

    @Two For Flinching
    "What would they say? Utah is a full member of the PAC-12, and is therefor a P5 team which would fulfill ACC and SEC scheduling requirements."

    You forgot to complete the sentence: "...which would fulfill ACC and SEC scheduling requirements and guarantee another win on their schedules."

  • Levin Reno, NV
    Aug. 7, 2014 4:05 p.m.

    It's cute to see these coaches talk tough about how "We'd love to play only B5 teams". In the 14 team SEC, only 11 of 36 non-conference games this year are with B5 teams. Four teams will play none. I think, for fairness, you throw in the games against some top-tier Group of 5 teams (Boise, UCF, East Carolina).

    Among them, only Georgia has a truly solid non-conf with Clemson, Georgia Tech, and Troy. Coach Mark Richt voted "no" to exclusivity. Good for him.

    But still, the SEC is full of a lot of bluster for a bunch of teams that would miss their tune-up games and late season "byes" against Florida Atlantic and Furman.

  • Jeff29 Draper, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 4:10 p.m.

    The poll that Chris B cited is quite interesting. I have to say that the most glaring vote was that of Chris Petersen. If this P5 playing P5 rule had been in place over the past several years, he would still be at Boise State living in irrelevance. Classic example of banging on the door to the big boys club and as soon as you get in wanting to lock the door behind you so no one else can do what you just did (sound familiar Utah fans?).

    I lost a great deal of respect for Chris Petersen today.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 4:52 p.m.

    @ CBPapa

    Is that so? Utah is a much better team then you're giving them credit for. Also, Utah has done pretty well against the ACC and SEC in the past decade or so.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 7, 2014 4:57 p.m.

    "What would they say? Utah is a full member of the PAC-12, and is therefor a P5 team which would fulfill ACC and SEC scheduling requirements."

    Yes, and Utah will be one of the most sought after teams by the ACC and SEC to play because Utah fulfills the P5 requirement, and the ACC and SEC can notch an easy win.

  • COS Littleton, CO
    Aug. 7, 2014 5:00 p.m.

    Pac-12 Commissioner Larry Scott said during the Pac-12 media days concerning BYU, "I'd consider it a high-quality matchup when our teams play against them." "I'm delighted that our schools are playing them. They're a good quality team. It enhances our strength of schedule, which I've been all about. So it's been good for our conference nationally."

    Christy, this seems to conflict with your comments.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 7, 2014 5:04 p.m.

    2fer

    "Is that so? Utah is a much better team then you're giving them credit for. Also, Utah has done pretty well against the ACC and SEC in the past decade or so."

    And how many times has Utah played them in the last 3 years? 1 Bowl game against a Georgia Tech team that Utah fans say is bad (because BYU beat them too). Sorry, no one cares what happened in 2004, 2008 (or 1984 for that matter). Only thing is what teams are doing today. I see Utah is picked to be 10 or 11 this year in the PAC. I don't see Utah being that relevant team Utah fans like to believe they are. The PAC-12 membership has gone to too many Ute heads.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 7, 2014 5:15 p.m.

    It will never get to the point where the P5 schools agree to only schedule P5 teams. If it ever gets to that point, there will be more expansion and BYU will be absorbed somewhere as a P5 school.

    My humble opinion, and I'm sticking to it. That doesn't mean that I like or will ever like BYU, I just am looking forward to resuming the Holy War and Utah's continuing dominance over little bro from down yonder. Utah can't do that if non-P5 teams are not allowed on the schedule.

    Go Utes!

    PS - I love how the BYU faithful come on to the Utah stories with their stats and polls before a game is even played to prove their superiority, yet ignore the fact that where it counts - on the field - BYU is so inept!

    Three weeks!

  • JDL Magna, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 5:34 p.m.

    Ok Let's talk recruiting.

    Assuming BYU lands a spot in the BIG 12 and utah stays in the PAC 12.

    Head to head recruiting the local kids first then the rest of the country, who lands the most high star (4-5) power recruits year in / year out?

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    Aug. 7, 2014 5:50 p.m.

    TrueBlue
    Orem, UT
    MyPerspective

    You sound like you're trying to ignore the reality that doesn't fit your fantasy.

    Remind us that last time Utah scheduled an OOC game against any elite team, besides Michigan, in RES.

    Teams like Penn St, Miami, Texas, Florida St, and Notre Dame have been visiting LES for decades.

    ----------

    Pointing to achievements from over 25 years ago... the classic MO of kitty fans.

    And we all understand why. You've got NOTHING from the last 25.

    LOL!

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    Aug. 7, 2014 5:53 p.m.

    TroyTown
    Anaheim, CA
    christina

    "And what will LES look like when P5 only play P5?"

    What's the point of arguing a hypothetical that will never happen?

    We realize that the demise of BYU athletics is a fantasy of yours, but the truth is, BYU is in a much better position to weather this latest storm than Utah.

    ----------

    Aww... do tell Troy. How'd ya come up with that gem of a claim?

    If a mandate came forcing P5s to play only P5s... and Utah is P5, and BYU is not... uh, yyyyyyyeeeeeeaaaaaaah, I can totally see why BYU is in a better position.

    Ha ha ha!

    Is this guy serious???

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    Aug. 7, 2014 5:55 p.m.

    taylormade1
    Springville, UT
    Chrissy B ,
    You are missing the real point here. When the dust clears in the future , the teams in the lower half of these P5 schools conferences will be eliminated and just go away. Lets see now where does that put your school up north ?

    -----------

    Another frantic and emotional claim fueled by panic.

    Can anyone come up with any kind of logic that could possibly make this guy look even halfway knowledgeable?

    P5s get autonomy. Utah is P5. Now, how exactly do you figure that Utah is gonna be in bad shape again?

    LOL

  • esodije ALBUQUERQUE, NM
    Aug. 7, 2014 7:00 p.m.

    If the "P5" decide members must only play each other, the best such an association could expect would be an antitrust lawsuit--one it would lose, by the way--and the worst would be intervention by Congress. If you liked the government take-over of healthcare, just wait 'til there's a Ministry of College Sports.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 7:21 p.m.

    Wiscougarfan
    River Falls, WI

    Rose Bowl call yet?
    Salt Lake City, UT

    TrueBlue
    Orem, UT

    -Preseason rankings
    -Remind us that last time Utah scheduled an OOC game against any elite team, besides Michigan, in RES.
    -Being forced to play in RES every other year was simply the price they were willing to pay to hold a CCG.

    And my personal favorite...

    -You sound like you're trying to ignore the reality that doesn't fit your fantasy.

    byu is nothing more than a legend in your own minds. If byu is such a big name in the college sports world, how is it that the every one of the P5 conferences have expanded and byu is still without a dance partner? I'm not the one who is not dealing with reality.

    After the NCAA vote to grant autonomy, I listened to a couple of analysts on ESPN who believe that the P5 will be playing an exclusive P5 schedule in 3 years. They also noted that the Pac-12 is the conference most interested in seeing that change because they already play 9 game P5 schedule.

    If / when the scheduling change occurs, where will it leave your "big name" cougs?

  • wyoming cougar Green River, WY
    Aug. 7, 2014 7:29 p.m.

    RE: vegasute
    "PS - I love how the BYU faithful come on to the Utah stories with their stats and polls before a game is even played to prove their superiority, yet ignore the fact that where it counts - on the field - BYU is so inept!"

    How ironic that a u fan is calling BYU fans out for posting on utah stories and yet this article is 100% BYU with no mention of the utes. In fact, the utes were brought into the discussion by chrisb, and you feel the need to fill the comment boards with more insults and classlessness towards another university.

    And yes, BYU has had many national big-time programs play in Provo- it's laughable that the best you can list, outside of pac teams, is Pittsburgh.

    As for this article, 1984 was an awesome season (following a tremendous 1983). The goliath of the WAC came through every game. The sad thing is that u fans on here slam the WAC as being a worthless league and yet they couldn't even win in it- Wyoming has the second most wins in WAC history. And being at the Holiday Bowl that year as a young fan was truly awesome-

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 7:58 p.m.

    "After the NCAA vote to grant autonomy, I listened to a couple of analysts on ESPN who believe that the P5 will be playing an exclusive P5 schedule in 3 years. They also noted that the Pac-12 is the conference most interested in seeing that change because they already play 9 game P5 schedule.

    If / when the scheduling change occurs, where will it leave your "big name" cougs?"

    You mean the same conference whose commissioner said that BYU was a good opponent that raised SOS and was glad his teams schedule BYU? If changes occur, I'm sure some will find a way to include BYU. To suggest that BYU is not one of the best 65 teams in the country is laughable (especially to say that Utah is and BYU is not, when Utah has been ranked higher than BYU only once, in a single poll by one point, in the last 4 or 5 years).

    To those saying Utah fills the P5 requirement by the ACC and SEC, that does not necessarily mean that Utah is a better opponent. I bet almost every one of those schools will agree that Boise State is a better opponent than Utah.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 7, 2014 11:30 p.m.

    The main reason a complete P5 vs P5 schedule will never happen:

    Too many of the big name teams count on being able to schedule 7 home games.

    With no FCS or mid-majors available for one-and-dones and two-for-ones, there simply wouldn't be any teams available to schedule an unbalanced 7 home and 5 away games every year, unless, of course lower-level P5s like Utah were willing to fill that bill.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Aug. 8, 2014 8:22 a.m.

    RE: JDL

    "Ok Let's talk recruiting. Assuming BYU lands a spot in the BIG 12 and utah stays in the PAC 12. Head to head recruiting the local kids first then the rest of the country, who lands the most high star (4-5) power recruits year in / year out?"

    Interesting question. If it was simply a matter of conference affiliation I would say that Utah would be in a much better situation (meaning the PAC12 footprint covers more quality recruits than the B12, especially given Texas dominance in the TX market). However, there is definitely more at play than conference affiliation. I think even great mid-major teams like Boise State or UCF have the recruiting edge over nearby P5 cellar dwellers (i.e. WSU, Indiana, Vandy) because of history and tradition. That gives the edge back to BYU. At the end of the day I don't think much would change--neither BYU or Utah has much commanding power for those top recruits and still won't as member of P5 conference.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Aug. 8, 2014 8:27 a.m.

    RE: MyPerspective

    "byu is nothing more than a legend in your own minds. If byu is such a big name in the college sports world, how is it that the every one of the P5 conferences have expanded and byu is still without a dance partner? I'm not the one who is not dealing with reality."

    I don't think any of us ever said (or even insinuated) that BYU is a "big name in the college sports world." I can't speak for the others but my original posts were in response to YOUR claim that Utah is a bigger fish than BYU (in the college sports world). I presented plenty of evidence showing BYU's national footprint was larger than Utah's (preseason rankings i.e. national perception, attendance, actual rankings, hatability) and you had no counter response (because you were wrong) so you changed the subject. How does the crow taste?

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Aug. 8, 2014 8:34 a.m.

    I don't understand why anti-BYU posters are still making the claim that BYU has no national respect just because they haven't been invited to a P5 conference (aside from the Big East, which was a BCS conference when they extended the invite).

    1. There are some great non-P5 teams that definitely have national respect. Think Boise State, UCF, Notre Dame. Notre Dame has so much respect that they are considered P5 even though they aren't part of a conference.

    2. Utah was invited to the PAC12 because they were the best fit for the PAC12 at a time. That doesn't mean they have/had more respect than BYU, it means they were a better fit for ONE conference. They were never invited to the Big East, Big 12, or any other P5 conference but were considered a top non-BCS team just like BYU.

    3. Nobody is currently getting invites from P5 conferences. Who is to say that BYU isn't at the top of every P5 expansion list (which they aren't, the only conference that makes sense is the B12).

  • JDL Magna, UT
    Aug. 8, 2014 8:45 a.m.

    Wiscougarfan,

    With the number of talented LDS kids that sign with P5 teams, I have to think that many of them would sign with BYU if they were in a P5 conference thus moving BYU more than slightly ahead of utah.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 10:25 p.m.

    Wiscougarfan
    River Falls, WI

    "I presented plenty of evidence showing BYU's national footprint was larger than Utah's (preseason rankings i.e. national perception, attendance, actual rankings, hatability) and you had no counter response (because you were wrong) so you changed the subject. How does the crow taste?"

    You presented no "evidence" of any kind. All you have here cherry picked accomplishments that no one cares about. How do I know that no one cares? If byu is, in fact, everything you and those of your ilk claim, byu would be a member of the P5. End of story.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 10:31 p.m.

    Wiscougarfan
    River Falls, WI

    "Utah was invited to the PAC12 because they were the best fit for the PAC12 at a time. That doesn't mean they have/had more respect than BYU, it means they were a better fit for ONE conference."

    3. "...the only conference that makes sense [for byu]is the B12)."

    Lol! Not only do you sound desperate and emotional, you sound depressed. Let it go, sport, there's nothing you can do about it.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 10, 2014 11:58 a.m.

    "You presented no "evidence" of any kind. All you have here cherry picked accomplishments that no one cares about. How do I know that no one cares? If byu is, in fact, everything you and those of your ilk claim, byu would be a member of the P5. End of story."

    @MyPerspective,

    Do you really think that Utah's footprint is larger than BYU's simply because of P5 membership? Do you really honestly believe that BYU not being in a P5 conference proves BYU is irrelevant and Utah isn't?

    If so, then answer this: Why did an ESPN poll find that 74% were in favor of BYU joining the Big 12?

    According to you, BYU doesn't have a big footprint, so it couldn't have been countless BYU fans going on to vote (especially considering that Texas and Oklahoma have HUGE fanbases).

    Also, if ESPN had done a similar poll asking if the PAC-10 should invite Utah, what percentage would say yes?

    For that evidence you seek (but will not hear or read), look at the comments made on the ESPN website about the autonomy news and see what people say about BYU and Utah.

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    Aug. 10, 2014 7:44 p.m.

    Jeff29
    Draper, UT

    "I have to say that the most glaring vote was that of Chris Petersen. If this P5 playing P5 rule had been in place over the past several years, he would still be at Boise State living in irrelevance."

    "I lost a great deal of respect for Chris Petersen today."

    Don't you think that the beating Chris took last year from the Cougars may have generated some long term bitterness? But I agree, I thought he was classier than he turns out to be...so I hope my UCLA Bruins administer a serious posterior kickin' every time they play.