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  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Aug. 6, 2014 9:57 p.m.

    I want to see a head coach who is more accountable, rather than blaming (and firing) the offensive coordinator every year! Coach Whit lost two very good assistants to USU, and is not even close to being a threat for a PAC 12 championship. True, he beat Stanford last year, but what happened the rest of the year? Oh ya, they did win their "bowl" game with that team down south (who actually went to a bowl game). I hate to say it, but Coach Whit may be over rated and failed to appreciate the talent of his assistant coaches. I really hope I am wrong, but unless things are different this year, I think it may be time for coach Whit to retire.

  • JoCo Ute Grants Pass, OR
    Aug. 6, 2014 10:37 p.m.

    Armchair coaches who offer Monday morning insight on coaches on the hot seat are clueless. Coach Whittingham remains one of the best coaches in the country. A head coach is the CEO of a multi-million $ organization and Whittingham does a great job. Coach Whit graduates his kids and runs a clean program. Make no mistake, without the wins from Coach Whittingham after Urban Meyer left, the Utes would be on the outside looking in at the major conferences. He's loyal, having turned down BYU and Tennessee. He's put together one of the top coaching staffs in the country w/ 2 former National Head Coaches of the year and the National Assistant coach of the year. The number of kids that have gone on to the NFL speaks for itself.

    Face facts and put egos aside, outside of WSU, Utah is the toughest place in the PAC-12 to recruit to. Coach Whittingham does more with less than any other coach in the Pac-12. The grass ain't always greener on the other side of the hill so be careful of what you wish for.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 6, 2014 10:39 p.m.

    I agree with Erickson - 100%.

  • UoU 1991 Park City, UT
    Aug. 6, 2014 11:03 p.m.

    It's nice that Coach Erickson has Coach Whittingham's back, but if Kyle wouldn't survive a 3-9 or 4-8 season, then, it's pointless to try to sugarcoat it, he's most definitely on the hot seat.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 12:27 a.m.

    @ water rocket

    BYU is not our bowl game. At best, it's the 10th most important game on Utah's schedule.

  • IRS Agent PROVO, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 1:48 a.m.

    @JoCo Ute

    Correction, Coach Witt does "less with less". You could claim he was doing more with less, if he were actually winning. His record is getting worse every year. Gary Anderson was the real driver behind the success at Utah. You just have to look at what he did at USU, and now where he is. Look at what Utah has done since he left. Witt may have assembled a staff of coaches with meaningless accolades, but what has that got them? Where are the results? The fact that the school is putting players in the NFL says a lot about the talent they are getting, but is an indictment of the coaching staff that they can't get wins with so much talent. In actuality, you could say that Witt is doing "less with more".

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 7, 2014 6:42 a.m.

    "The Champaign/Urbana News-Gazette ranks Whittingham the most likely coach in the conference to lose his job." -- Rock

    The who?

    Ute Nation ranks as one of the best coaches in our history. He's not going anywhere since we most likely will win 7 games this year. I think he has one more year, unless we only win 2-3 games.

  • BigRich Orem, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 7:00 a.m.

    Even though I'm a BYU fan, I think it would be a sad day for the U to lose Whittingham. Everyone knew going in what a difficult transition it would be going into the PAC 12. It took years for ASU and the UofA to become competitive. Why would it be different for the U? Give him at least 2or 3 more years. At least you're in one best conferences in the nation.

  • PMark Tomball, TX
    Aug. 7, 2014 7:59 a.m.

    JoCo Ute: "Coach Whittingham remains one of the best coaches in the country."

    Best at what, exactly? Certainly not at winning football games, which I thought was at the top of the list in his job description. I certainly applaud his ability to run a clean program and graduate players, but if he can't do job one, then maybe you need to hire someone who CAN do job one as well as jobs two and three.

    "A head coach is the CEO of a multi-million $ organization and Whittingham does a great job."

    But if that "multi-million $ organization" puts out a poor product that can't compete in the marketplace, by definition the CEO is NOT doing a "great job". The organization sooner or later has to begin looking for a CEO who CAN do a "great job".

    Coach KW is a nice guy, and I wish him all the best, but if he doesn't start showing improvement this year over last, I doubt he will be Head Coach much longer.

  • scott Alpine, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 8:03 a.m.

    Uteology

    "Ute Nation ranks as one of the best coaches in our history. He's not going anywhere since we most likely will win 7 games this year."

    Chances of games won and temperature of Whittingham's coaching seat

    8 - zero - cool
    7 - slight - tepid
    6 - slim - warm
    5 - fair - hot
    4 - good - blazing hot
    3 - solid - screaming hot

    If the Utes don't make it to a bowl game this season, chances of Whittingham surviving are only 50/50? He'll at least need one solid win, ala Stanford last year, and some heart breaking losses showing that Utah was on the cusp of getting to a bowl.

  • Cali blue Coalinga, CA
    Aug. 7, 2014 8:45 a.m.

    Kyle will be fine as he is doing a very nice job at the u.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 7, 2014 8:50 a.m.

    I really like what Whittingham was done, and after the Sugar Bowl season I really thought the guy would be Utah's coach for as long as he wanted the position. I realize Utah has a brutal schedule this year; but anything short of a bowl game warrants looking for a new coach. I really hope it doesn't happen, but if the Utes have a horrible season; say

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 8:52 a.m.

    It don't matter if we lose because we care a whole bunch more about being prestegous and saying that we are big boys in a big boy conference now even though we don't go to bowl games anymore and that's whats really important to lots of us now.

    Go Utes!

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 8:53 a.m.

    Gosh, maybe we should go independent and schedule 10 wins most years and 8 wins on the others (so we can talk about our grueling schedule and how we are the best team in the state...even though we can't beat the other teams). Then we can smack our lips about going to a bowl game, woohoo we would be 'Downtown' and riding high! That would keep coach Wittingham secure. Nothing like a schedule that equates to a gov't job to keep the kids fed and braces on their teeth.

    If the Utes win 4+ games this season and Wittingham is fired, my wallet closes. I will always be a Ute fan but I will no longer give any moeny to the U.

    'Champaign/Urbana News-Gazette' seriously?

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 9:24 a.m.

    81Ute

    Utah fans used to brag about Utah's bowl winning streak when the Utes were nothing but a very mediocre 7-5 team beating up on another very mediocre 7-5 team, but now that the Utes aren't even good enough to qualify for a bowl, it's hilarious that you're forced to pretend that having a losing record versus a tough schedule is superior to actually playing in a bowl.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 7, 2014 9:25 a.m.

    @81Ute

    I hope it doesn't happen, but say Utah wins 4 games this year. How much longer to you give Whittingham? That would be 3 years with no bowl and sub .500 football. I hope it doesn't happen, but at some point you have to make a change.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 9:41 a.m.

    The team is moving in the right direction and the local media needs to find something else to write about. Hey, I know...how about an article exploring pitfalls of an emotional move to independence by the team down south and schedules high school teams to show how desperate they are to be part of an elite conference?

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 7, 2014 9:42 a.m.

    SI.com has Whittingham at #14 on the hot seat.
    ESPN has him as #2 in the PAC 12; only behind Sonny Dykes of Cal.

    If his seat isn't hot; it's certainly very warm. I really hope he turns it around this year.

    Go Utes!

    @Truth Machine

    What's more hilarious is that you brag about playing a weak schedule and ending up in the same old low tier bowl. No chance of achieving a better bowl. Nope, win 6, 8, or 11 games, and you end up in Miami playing the winner of the American Conference. The payout doesn't even cover the travel costs. Certainly nothing to beat on your chest about; and that's the Truth; and you know it! It's gotta be a tough pill to swallow.

  • AltaHawkFan Sandy, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 9:45 a.m.

    re: 81ute

    'If the Utes win 4+ games this season and Wittingham is fired, my wallet closes. I will always be a Ute fan but I will no longer give any moeny to the U.'

    I doubt they would care much. It won't be about what you think or do. It's the big boosters. They guys with names on athletic facilities that they care if their wallets close that matters. Obviously, Erickson thinks this talk is stupid since it directly affects his future employment. He's not biased at all.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 7, 2014 10:00 a.m.

    MyPerspective

    "The team is moving in the right direction and the local media needs to find something else to write about."

    Sure, bury your head in the sand and pretend that everything is rosy - 4-5, 3-6, 2-7 doesn't seem to be heading in the direction that most fans would consider the "right direction".

    Eventually, even you will get tired of having to justify losing, bowl less seasons, with the whiny excuse, "but we played a really tough schedule".

  • still_thinking Draper, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 10:04 a.m.

    @MyPerspective
    "The team is moving in the right direction and the local media needs to find something else to write about."

    I keep hearing this but I don't understand what it means. The same with "Onward and Upward".

    The last 3 years overall (since we don't care about the MWC): 8-5, 5-7, 5-7
    The last 3 years in conference: 4-5, 3-6, 2-7

    How is this the right direction? How is this upward?

    The only thing getting better is the competition in the PAC 12.

  • KYUte Louisville, KY
    Aug. 7, 2014 10:13 a.m.

    @ Scott

    "He'll at least need one solid win, ala Stanford last year, and some heart breaking losses showing that Utah was on the cusp of getting to a bowl."

    That is exactly what happened last year. We beat #5 Stanford, had heartbreaking losses to Oregon State, UCLA and Arizona State. We were on the cusp of a bowl game but the injury bug threw the team into a tailspin.
    This year we go 7-5 and win our bowl game!

    GO UTES!!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 10:27 a.m.

    @81ute

    I highly doubt they care about your $20 per year donation. lol

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 7, 2014 10:32 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    It's laughable that you try to equate bowl tier with performance, when you know perfectly well that bowl tier is largely just a function of conference affiliation, and has very little to do with how good a team was.

    Bottom line:

    BYU is accomplishing more as an Independent than Utah is accomplishing as a P5.

    As an Independent, BYU has extended it's bowl streak from 6 to 9.

    As a P5, Utah is on a two-season bowl less streak, and looking to make it three.

    And don't give us your whiny "weak schedule" excuse.

    BYU qualified for a bowl in 2013 after playing the 38th toughest schedule, which was tougher than any schedule Utah had ever played prior to 2013.

    Let that sink in a little before you respond.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 7, 2014 10:40 a.m.

    cott
    Alpine, UT

    Uteology

    "Ute Nation ranks as one of the best coaches in our history. He's not going anywhere since we most likely will win 7 games this year."

    Chances of games won and temperature of Whittingham's coaching seat

    8 - zero - cool
    7 - slight - tepid
    6 - slim - warm
    5 - fair - hot
    4 - good - blazing hot
    3 - solid - screaming hot

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    Nope! Utah has good chance to win 7 games assuming we don't suffer any major injuries. Most pundits have us around 5-7 games.

    If he wins 8 with this schedule, I am going to dance "in the streets", "hug perfect strangers", "light off fireworks", in general, celebrate and celebrate and celebrate just like you did when your team went 1-0 in 2009.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Aug. 7, 2014 11:00 a.m.

    Sports writers don't put coaches on the "hot seat," Athletic Directors do. Winning against real competition takes patience and perseverance. If all you're interested in is a winning record, go Independent and put schedule a lot meaningless games.

  • dgdrummin Ogden, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 11:05 a.m.

    When season tickets are at a 98% renewal rate, the "hot seat" is pretty comfortable.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Aug. 7, 2014 11:10 a.m.

    yeah not going to a bowl game in 2 seasons in college football means nothing to why a coach should be on the hot seat, especially when you tout yourself as some Pac powerhouse

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Aug. 7, 2014 11:13 a.m.

    Love how Ute fans talk about a losing record and not going to bowl games in 2 seasons as a coach doing a very nice job , I guess Kansas's coach should be named coach of the year every year using Utes logic LOL

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 7, 2014 11:16 a.m.

    KYUte

    "This year we go 7-5 and win our bowl game!"

    Based on what, your wishful thinking?

    Utah may have improved, slightly, but according Utah fans, Utah's schedule has improved a lot.

    So, unless Utah has improved a lot, 5-7 seems far more likely than 7-5.

    btw, the Stanford game could have just as easily been another heart-breaking loss.

    The reality is, Utah is breaking in a new OC, is installing a new offense, and still hasn't decided whether they'll be installing a new QB, or not.

    And you honestly think that's a recipe for improvement.

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    Aug. 7, 2014 11:26 a.m.

    Duckhunter
    Highland, UT
    @81ute

    "I highly doubt they care about your $20 per year donation. lol"

    Please don't equate your knowledge of what individuals donate to a college to that of Utah fans. There's no coupons for this sort of thing.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 7, 2014 11:27 a.m.

    Uteology

    Reality check.

    Name the seven teams Utah as a "good" chance of beating in 2014.

    After all of the grief Utah fans have given BYU fans for their optimism, it's interesting seeing Utah fans boldly predicting that every 50-50 ball is going to go Utah's way this year.

    Of course, we all know that the kids on the hill have a treasure trove of whiny excuses waiting to dip into when the 50-50 balls don't go Utah's way.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 11:37 a.m.

    Coach Whitt didn't suddenly become a bad coach when the Utes entered the Pac 12. The competition did become much better and the Utes haven't had the talent or the depth to compete as well as even Coach Whitt would like. He has taken full responsibility for everything and will continue to. I think the team has hit bottom the last couple of seasons and will start to rise up the next several. I don't think he will be fired after this season or any in the near future. I hope to see him retire from Utah.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 7, 2014 11:40 a.m.

    Spokane Ute:

    There are two flaws in your argument - byU will not be facing the winner of the AAC, they will be facing the sixth place finisher of the AAC. And, even if byU goes undefeated, they will still end up in the same game because the playoff committee will never put byU in the playoff with a SOS hovering at 100, regardless of the record.

    Go Utes!! Can't wait wait to play in a bowl game that we earn with the toughest schedule in the game!

    I feel sorry for the byU seniors this year - Savannah State on Senior Day? Will the parents even show up?

  • DonO Draper, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 12:37 p.m.

    I sincerely hope the Utes improve this year. If they don't, Whittingham likely is gone. It hasn't been, and won't be, all Whit's fault. But the head coach is the ultimate lightning rod and Utah has too much at stake, including its reputation, to stay with him.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Aug. 7, 2014 12:37 p.m.

    @vegasute
    they don't have the toughest schedule in the game, boy hyping up the Utes schedule like they play NFl teams every week to setup the excuse train early I see.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 7, 2014 12:42 p.m.

    Riddes in the Dark

    No need to let anything "settle in" when responding to you; it's elementry. Of course Bowl tier is associated with conference affiliation. BYU is on the outside looking in, I've never said otherwise. What exactly has BYU accopmlished as an independent? Lost 3 straight to their rival. Beat SDSU, Tulsa and lost to Washington in bowl games. So they played a decent schedule in 2013, then got pounded by Washington. BYU went 5-11 vs. P5 schools during that time frame. Impressive? well, not really. If being locked into the Beach Ball bowl, before the season even starts is considered satisfying or impressive, then so be it. Win 6, 8, or 11 games, and the Beach Bowl ball is your reward. How depressing. I hope you don't find my response "whinney", just telling it like it is. You may want to flip on the light switch prior to responding. You seem to be wandering aimlessly in the dark. Utah hasn't accoplished much in the last 3 years, I can admit to that; but neither has BYU, don't kid your self.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 7, 2014 12:45 p.m.

    VegasUte

    I beleive your response is at some one else. Also, BYU will play the winner of the American Conference in the Beach Ball Bowl, certainly not a team for a P5 conference (ACC). They are on the outside looking in.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 1:07 p.m.

    Willingham is in the hot seat, and rightfully so in today's environment. It's only going to get worse. The problem is that I don't see Utah climbing out of the PAC-12 cellar or mid-rankings anytime soon. Colorado and Utah are both in the same boat. Maybe Willingham can lead a team somewhere to stellar seasons, but it won't happen at Utah in the PAC-12.

    (By the way, this has nothing to do with BYU, folks, so can you leave them out of it? Why can't we discuss U of U topics without the BYU v. Utah stuff always coming up?)

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 1:47 p.m.

    @ jarka-rus

    Utah finished last year with the 3rd ranked SOS, and ESPN has Utah's SOS at #1 going into this season.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 1:49 p.m.

    Utah AD Chris Hill, who is closing in on retirement, is not going to go searching for a new head football coach. Nothing will be decided on KW, good or bad, until after Chris Hill retires and a new AD is hired which probably won't be until after the new b-ball facilities are completed.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 2:03 p.m.

    "I highly doubt they care about your $20 per year donation. lol"

    Which is still worth 1,000 times more than the 2 cents offered by all the y "fans". lol

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 2:51 p.m.

    Hey, what does ESPN and SI know about sports anyway. We should trust the experts on the hill and completely ignore the national experts. If I was utah I would not be giving long term extensions to a coaching contract.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 2:57 p.m.

    Utelogy,
    WHo are these pundits. The ones on the hill don't count. The PAC pundits certainly do't give them 7 wins and have picked them 10th of 12 teams. Nice try though.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 7, 2014 3:05 p.m.

    @midpacmajor

    Good chance of beating 5 teams: Idaho State, @Colorado, Fresno, Washington, Arizona.

    Then they'll need to pull off 2 wins from the following: @Oregon State, USC, or @Michagon

    Most likely 6, but a chance at 7 wins. Like I said, I feel KW gets fired if he's around the 4 win mark.

    I agree with the following pundits:

    Bill Connelly: 6 or 7 wins overall

    "This is a top-30 (or so) team on paper, one that should be able to start 3-1, finish 2-0, and find at least one win in between...there are enough experienced play-makers to take another, more noticeable step forward in 2014."

    Steven Lassan: 4-5 (6-6 overall)

    "The Utes could rebound back into the postseason in 2014. Sure, the schedule is tough....As usual, Utah will be solid on defense. It may require an upset, but the Utes have a good shot to get back into the postseason in 2014"

    Paul Myerberg: 6-6 overall

    "Though I question whether Utah can notch eight or more wins during the regular season, I can't really envision a scenario where this squad doesn't make a charge into bowl play after a two-year absence."

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 7, 2014 3:13 p.m.

    @Mormon Ute

    While I agree with most of your post, I don't agree that KW has taken responsibility. In particular, the issues with the offense over the last 6 years. Hiring 6 OC in six years, that is just ridonculous.

    His decision to hire an inexperienced, 25 year-old OC set the program back a few years.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 7, 2014 3:22 p.m.

    Down under
    Salt Lake City, UT

    Utelogy,
    WHo are these pundits. The ones on the hill don't count. The PAC pundits certainly do't give them 7 wins and have picked them 10th of 12 teams. Nice try though.

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    They picked them on par with Washington State which won 6 games last year. I could not find number of win predictions:

    2014 PAC-12 Media Rankings:

    #1 Oregon 232
    #2 UCLA 231 ...
    #9 Washington State 87
    #10 Utah 82
    #11 Colorado 43
    #12 California 41

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 7, 2014 3:37 p.m.

    Uteology

    Wishful thinking on your part.

    The Utes have absolutely no chance of beating USC or Michigan.

    They'll lose at least one, probably two, to Colorado, Washington, and Arizona.

    6 wins would be the high water mark, but 5 or fewer is more realistic.

  • cougarsrock Springville, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 3:37 p.m.

    Who cares what Dennis Erickson thinks ! Just look at his resume and what he has done for college football.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 3:39 p.m.

    @JoCo Ute
    "Whittingham does a great job. Coach Whit graduates his kids and runs a clean program."

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    That's nice and great goals for a MWC school. Problem is, Whitt and the Utes are no longer in the MWC. The stakes are significantly higher and so are the expectations. He's finished 4-5, 3-6 and 2-7 (bad trend) and since joining the Pac12 has repeatedly mis-handled his QB position (not keeping sufficient depth or bringing in the necessary talent) and repeatedly mis-handled his all-important Offensive Coordinator posiition (what is it now....I've lost count...7 OC's in the past 6 seasons?)

    After reading Dres Anderson's comments about the annual need and focus the team puts on beating BYU at the expense of conference games maybe fans need to finally decide once and for all:

    Now that your team is in the Pac12, what's more important to you, keeping BYU as the most important game on the schedule or maybe winning conference games and getting to a bowl game?"

    ...because it's become clear, you can take the school out of the MWC but you can't take the MWC out of the school (or the Head Coach)

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 4:08 p.m.

    @uteology
    we most likely will win 7 games this year. I think he has one more year, unless we only win 2-3 games.

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    FYI - Winning fall scrimmages don't count as wins. Vegas has the over/under for Kyle and the Utes at 4.5 wins. Utah has a stretch of 8 games starting with Michigan at Ann Arbor (don't mistake this Michigan team for that terrible one you beat in 2008. It was the worst Michigan team in over 100 yrs that also lost at home to an FCS school and you needed OT to beat them) and finishing with a revenge-minded Stanford in Palo Alto. All 8 schools have QB's who will play on Sunday and several will be Heisman contenders for more of the season. Hundley, Mariota and Mannion will likely be 1st round NFL picks.

    Utah could very well suffer an 8 game losing streak just with that stretch. I'd say winning 2-3 games is a more likely scenario. Thank heavens you scheduled some cupcakes.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 4:36 p.m.

    "the worst Michigan team in over 100 yrs that also lost at home to an FCS school and you needed OT to beat them"

    BigCougar:

    Your take might be more credible if you had your facts right. The 2008 Michigan team was pre-season ranked #25 and they did not lose at home to an FCS school that year. It was the 2007 team that lost at home to Appalachian State. But at least Utah beat them. What's Roscoe's excuse losing last year to UVa? Their only other win in 2013 was against 2-10 VMI, a team that lost at home to a DII school.

    Seems to me you should spend more time worrying about UVa this year than Whitt's job.

  • 2020 Herriman, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 4:43 p.m.

    I love BYU fan that tries to convince themselves and everybody else that their team has been better than Utah the last several years. It's speculation, but I have no doubt Utah would have won just as many games as BYU has, playing that exact same schedule. What is not speculation is Utah beat BYU each of the last four seasons. Therefore, Utah would likely have one more win than BYU, in each season since joining the PAC 12. BYU fan can try, but you can't convince me that you would have done any better in the PAC 12 than Utah has. You can't even beat Utah. Don't forget, there is a reason Bronco was BYU's second choice.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 4:59 p.m.

    "Whittingham the second-least secure coach in the conference"

    If the U has a another losing season this year Whittingham will be looking for work....probably as defensive coach somewhere. He makes a lot of money and the more you make the hotter the seat is.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 5:04 p.m.

    I think Kyle was a good defensive coach but he road the coat tails of Meyer and then Anderson as his offensive corrdinator and I think his head coaching ability is suspect as seen by his record over the past few years. I doubt Kyle will last much longer as a head coach - probably better suited as a defensive coordinator somewhere.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 5:16 p.m.

    @ BigCougar

    This Michigan team is better than the team in 2008, but they are FAR from unbeatable. Also, the Michigan team that lost to Appalachian St. was 2007, not 2008. Further, Utah beat Michigan in regulation. There was no OT.

    Utah has a very tough schedule again, but I'm wondering which "cupcakes" (plural) Utah scheduled?

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 7, 2014 5:16 p.m.

    People rarely surprise me. We all breath in some sort of craziness. But I honestly am perplexed by so many BYU fans, that for so long, keep putting stock into BYU making a bowl game and Utah not. Okay, it's trash talk and it washes for a little while. But the obsession with it as something valid is wacky. Look, here is the bottom line on this issue; if the programs schedules were reversed then Utah goes bowling and BYU does not. It's all relative and minor bowls are not much to be excited about anyway are they?. Playing UTEP or San Diego State in a bowl does what for you BYU fan? Utah and Whittingham was one small game better record wise than BYU (even teams) for the first 6 years of Whit and Bronco's tenure. They had the same conference and similar schedules at that time. Then the PAC called and BYU went independent. The schedules and records between Utah and BYU are not comparable anymore except that Utah has beaten BYU head to head each time since. Keeping it real, that is all we have to go by.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 7, 2014 5:18 p.m.

    @John in SLC

    Another interesting fact regarding Michigan. Bo Schembelcher only coached one team that did not have a winning record.....the 1984 team! Remember that team?

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    Aug. 7, 2014 5:33 p.m.

    Riddles in the Dark
    Olympus Cove, Utah

    BYU is accomplishing more as an Independent than Utah is accomplishing as a P5.

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    That's like saying Northern Illinois is accomplishing more in the MAC than Florida is in the SEC.

    Ha ha ha ha!

    Of course BYU is accomplishing more. The same way it's easier to be elected as your 5th grade class president than it is to be elected president of the US.

    BYU isn't even in the same universe as Utah is in terms of competition.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 7, 2014 5:37 p.m.

    At IRS Agent

    Gary Anderson had a strong influence on the Utes when he was there. But saying "he was the driving force" isn't true. Utah's recent struggles have been offensively. Coach Anderson had nothing to do with the offense as a defensive coordinator at Utah. Plus Whittingham's defenses when he was defensive coordinator and since he has been a head coach at Utah have been consistently good (before Anderson came, during Anderson's stay, and after Anderson's departure).

    Anderson is a really solid coach and I would be confident if he was Utah's head coach. That said, Whittingham is NOT a worse coach because of it. I think Whittingham is a solid coach who has had his blunders (costly ones lately). But I also think Bronco is a really good coach at BYU. I say that even though he went with Riley Nelson at QB and sabotaged a promising season or two for BYU. But he still is the quality coach that he is. Very few coaches are great all the time. And many of those are rewarded with head coaching jobs at schools were the cupboard is never bare (Saban/Alabama).

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 6:04 p.m.

    @2fer
    Utah finished last year with the 3rd ranked SOS, and ESPN has Utah's SOS at #1 going into this season.

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    you can go to the SOS Bowl and compete for the SOS Championship. I'll send you a trophy for participating, I think my kid has an extra one for participating in his youth soccer league that he doesn't care about and won't miss. Congrats for almost being the SOS Champs!

    Keep trying to convince yourself that being a doormat is something special.

    As for which 2 opponents are cupcakes, one is obvious and the other (Fresno St) qualifies based on every negative comment i read from ute fans about the MWC/WAC.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 8:55 p.m.

    @ BigCougar

    Nobody asked for an SOS trophy. I simply corrected a misstatement made earlier in this thread. The fact that Utah plays a big boy schedule seems to bother you for some reason though...

    Nice try, but Fresno is not a cupcake. They were the MWC champs and are a very respectable opponent. Quite taking what one hater says and applying it to the entire fan base.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 11:32 p.m.

    I think KW is a quality coach. And therein lies the dilemma.

    The U has a good coach coaching fair talent playing teams with good or great coaches coaching better talent. The results are predictable.

    Truth is the U has a coach who's in the middle third of coaches in the conference coaching players in the bottom third.

    Logic dictates that the teams performance can't improve much regardless of the quality of the coach if you can't improve the quality of your players as compared to the rest of the conference.

    And the inherent challenges of recruiting to SLC as compared to CA, AZ, Eugene and Seattle don't bode well for future UT recruiting classes being superior to those from schools in those locales.

  • high school fan Huntington, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 11:46 p.m.

    It is really simple for Utah to put an end to all this talk, win some games like 12 or more, but that ain't going to happen because Utah and Colorado were not invited in to win, they were invited for the number of TVs in their states. And as a P5 school, life will only get worse.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 8, 2014 12:22 a.m.

    BigCougar
    Bountiful, UT

    @uteology
    we most likely will win 7 games this year. I think he has one more year, unless we only win 2-3 games.

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    FYI - Winning fall scrimmages don't count as wins.

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    FYI - Nice try, but we don't play BYU this year.

  • CA. reader Rocklin, CA
    Aug. 9, 2014 9:23 a.m.

    I'd give the man at least two more years. Belonging to the PAC12 doesn't automatically make you equal to your competition. Utah leveraged two great seasons into an invite to play with the big boys but if ASU and AZ are examples, it takes a while to become viable with recruits especially. I do think Whittingham has done more with less, just like his mentor did for 29 years at BYU but U management and the rest of the 12 will get tired of shoring Utah up. I think the spinning wheel at Washington State is evidence of that. I do think if he gets fired Whittigham will resurface as a DC and eventually work his way back to a head coach's job some place. He is still young. He's much more the coach than the former USC guy and he keeps getting good jobs. I think my Cougars would struggle in the Big 12 for a few years too, all things being equal.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Aug. 9, 2014 8:54 p.m.

    Luckily for U fans you have those 4 wins over BYU. i believe someone listed Washington as a likely win. UW in Seattle is not a likely win for anybody any year (except Oregon).

    My concern with Utah and BYU is the new rules. Paying athletes for their "brand", is going to be interesting. Competing with USC, Notre Dame, Texas, Oregon, Alabama, et al. Is another matter. They will simply outbid Utah on every player they care about. There are about 60 teams in the P5 who are going to have a tough time competing for recruits. Minnesota over USC? I don't think so.

    What will eventually happen, IMO, is that antitrust suits will break up the P5, and the NCAA will be on a hot seat. This deal smells too much like a monopoly to me. And maybe the suit won't be eventually. There is already talk. For Utah, WSU, AZ etc., I certainly hope it comes sooner. I don't watch the NCAA Championship now, certainly won't watch Alabama vs Georgia.

  • BlameItOnTheOfficials Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 10, 2014 9:59 a.m.

    I'm hoping for a good year but if Kyle's relying on a lucky win against any of the upper teams in the PAC12 he's definitely in the hot seat. At best we win 4 this season and he should be worried.

    If we win 5 or more he'll get another year or two. We are, in fact, a mediocre team in a strong conference. If we want to improve in the conference we need higher caliber players and coaches. I don't expect to see Kyle around for more than a couple more years.