"Why is the West not doing more for Middle-Eastern Christians?"The militant extremist group ISIS has issued an ultimatum to Christians in
Iraq: "Convert to Islam, leave, or die," ========= Gee, Let's look in the mirror -- "Why is the Middle
East not doing more for Western Muslims?" Radical extremist
groups issue ultimatums to Muslim Americans: "Convert to Christianity,
leave, or die,"...Radical extremist groups issue ultimatums to
Hispanic Immigrant Americans: "Enter legally, leave, or die,"...Radical extremist groups issue ultimatums to Black Americans: "Stay
in you 'hood, leave, or die,"...Old proverb says:Smell-ar's the Fell-ar!
Article quote - “The oppression of Christians abroad could be a
much-needed reality check for those complaining about the War on
Christmas,” he wrote. “It could remind them of what religious
liberty is: not the freedom to discriminate, but freedom from discrimination,
violence, and worse.”Couldn’t have said it better
myself. Many American Christians have nursed for too long on the
milk of outrage and victimhood that they seem incapable of distinguishing
between a bruised ego (or not getting everything you want) and real oppression.
Article quote - “conservative evangelicals speaking out
against Obama for his inaction.”Yes, it’s all
Obama’s fault. Conservative Christians make a bad country far worse and
then blame others for failing to clean up their mess. I guess we can add
“inability to take responsibility” to their vices.And
can anyone imagine what our world would look like if it was populated entirely
by Muslim jihadists and Christian conservatives? In short order it would be a
post-apocalyptic nightmare, at least until their favorite celestial super-hero
showed up to save the day. God save us from your followers…
The United States is often criticized abroad for not doing enough.The United States is often criticized abroad for being too meddlesome.
"Convert or die!" said the Catholic Queen Isabella to the Moros of
Spain, Edward I to the Jews of England, Godfrey de Bouillon to the Muslims of
Palestine, Philip Augustus to the Cathars of France, Orthodox Vladimir to the
pagans of Russia, Olaf to the pagans of Norway, etc. etc. .... "Convert or die" is an old Christian tradition. One of the oldest.
LDSL Do you understand the concept behind blood libel? Because so many times you
attempt it in posts. Show me the examples of the government taking such
positions as ISIS is doing. Trying to paint the neighbors you loath with such
broad strokes does not address the question of why western countries are
ignoring the plight of Christians in Iraq.Why has our administration
attempted to curtail these actions, yet we continue to provide money to the
Syrian rebels, PLO, Egypt, and other Muslim countries. Why has our President
been on such good terms with the Muslim Brotherhood, whose goal is a world wide
The Middle East is transfixed by the West. Can they simultaneous denounce the
West for the ‘modernism’ Islamic fundamentalists revile and still
look to the West to fix its problems?Apparently, some can. Quite
easily, as a matter of fact.
We've given up over $5 trillion dollars and 7,000 American lives.How much is enough?
@ Irony Guy:You should keep in mind that we are discussing a
current, real-world situation and not intended as a discussion in ancient
history.I truly believe that with any other administration in
office, our official response would be different. Obama grew up being
indoctrinated on the rantings of the "reverend" Jeremiah Wright, who
usually condemns both traditional America and traditional Christianity. Hence,
Obama's lack of support for these traditional Christians in that part of
the world. After all, he concedes the Muslim prayer-song is "the most
beautiful sound" he's ever heard.
The West needs to do more to help the Christians in these countries. Their
persecution is real and their suffering is heartbreaking. I'm hopeful with
the increased attention to the problem recently that the Western countries will
...because we have a president that cares more about Muslims than the Christians
that they are murdering. If I am a middle east Christian I would expect NO help
or support from the US. But forgive me I forgot Barack is a "devout
Christian"...that could care less about protecting Christians. Go figure.
@jsf, Brio, Wonder, & patriotAnd just what do you propose we do?
First my_two_cents_worth, cut any economic funding to Syrian Rebels, Muslim
Brotherhood associated groups, the PLO. admit lack of foreign policies by
current administration and problems of past administration. Provide refugee
status for the groups being forced out. Adopt a policy of destruction for
ISIS.Hiding our heads in the sand and continue funding them will not
Why is the West not doing more for Middle-Eastern Christians?’...feeding children in South America?’...vaccinating people in
Africa?’...liberating oppressed in Ukraine?'...protecting
work-class in America?’I suppose it has more to do with
PROFITS and the almighty $dollar, than it has to do with humanitarian
@jsf,"cut any economic funding to Syrian Rebels, Muslim
Brotherhood "Now wait a minute. Obama did not want to providing
funding and assistance to Syrian rebels and was criticized to no end by Senate
Republicans and Democrats alike and we have cut back funding to Egypt as well.
You can't have it both ways.
Hey Patriot -" Barack is a "devout Christian"...that
could care less about protecting Christians."So what do you
suggest?Re-launch the crusades? That was a Dark-Ages thing,
wasn't it?And if let "Conservative" Republicans have
their way, we will most likely have another world-wide Dark Age.The
lesson to learn here? NEVER let Republicans have their way.
Re: "Why is the West not doing more for Middle-Eastern Christians?"The simple answer is -- because there's nothing in it politically
for American liberals.If there were, we'd be wading in -- a la
Bill Clinton -- and solving the problem. But, since liberals cynically believe
their best chance in upcoming elections is to be anti-war, that's where
Because too many American Christians believe that persecution is the "war
on Christmas" and gays getting married and wealthy reality TV stars being
booted off shows. They think fighting persecution includes buying tacky camo
religious gear at Wally-world and demanding local stores us "Christmas"
in their advertising. Oh and Obama. Him, simply being in office, is
persecution. Their answer to the very real horrors in this article?
Blame Obama and demand more war with vague goals.
The ironical thing is Iraq under a tyrant dictator had religious freedom.
Without that heavy hand, deep seeded prejudices and greed surfaced unchecked.
We opened that can.... now we don't like what we have found. The only
option that would have kept this simmering pot of century old resentment from
boiling over would have been an endless occupation by our troops at the cost of
not just billions of dollars - but thousands of American lives. I am puzzled by
those who are upset we pulled out - are they saying we needed to have an endless
occupation? It is the most unrealistic of propositions.As
mentioned, the ultimate solution is to decrease the worlds dependence on the
resources these groups are fighting over. Finding alternatives to middle east
oil - regardless of form - will liberate the decision making process on how to
deal with these types of situations. Christian's liberties are being sold
off for cheap oil... and the only way to fix the problem is to change that
Our intervention in the Middle East, from overthrowing a democratic government
in Iran in 1953, to Bush's destruction of Iraq in 2003 and forward, did
more to harm Christians than you can imagine.
LDS Liberal"Radical extremist groups issue ultimatums to Muslim
Americans: "Convert to Christianity, leave, or die,"...I
would like to hear one true instance of that happening. But somehow you put
everything in absolutes. If they are not liberal authoritarians, they are evil.
But if someone who doesn't identify as a liberal is good in your mind they
are automatically evil. Sounds like facism to me.
“Why is the West not doing more for Middle-Eastern Christians?" Is there a mdoern precedent for that? That’s
right, there is . . . Reagan sent several hundred Marines in to Lebanon as part
of a multinational force to deal with the Lebanese civil war where Christians
were being oppressed and killed.What was the result of that? . . .
Oh Now I remember. Over 200 US Marines were murdered in their sleep when their
barracks was bombed.But it was worth it, wasn’t it? . . .
Because Christians are no longer being oppressed and killed in the Middle East
. . . Right?
What are the words for "Cannot Police the world" in the language of
why has the west (NOT just the US and BO) done more?because the west
has abandoned its christian heritage and has embraced hedonism and self
gratification over all elseGaryOyou talk of a failure and how
we should have done something else - so why did you vote for BO a second time?
Hey Lost -". . . you talk of a failure and how we should have
done something else . . . "Right. When Republicans gain power
they leave us with a lot of failures to talk about.The solution?Don't let Republicans have power.
Some of the previous comments are astounding in their callousness. Would any
civil person or society rationalize the persecution of Middle East Christians
(or any other group of innocents) because of any event, contemporary or
historical? Definitely not. The US may have limited options, but a strong UN
protest that raises the level of awareness is the least that should be done and
sanctions that are more punitive should also be considered.
"because the west has abandoned its christian heritage and has embraced
hedonism and self gratification over all else"Just maybe because
the west has grown tired of wars based on religion. For well over 1,000 years,
Europe had been ravaged by wars based on defending religious beliefs. It may be
that the "west" has just grown up, and figured out that killing people
is not the best way to salvation... and that the middle east needs to grow up
too.This Christians vs Muslims thing has been going of for far too
long. The US is a shinning example of how you can be of different beliefs, and
still live and prosper together. I am not sure going back and reigniting the
crusades is the solution to this problem.It surely hasn't
worked for Israel, and they vastly out power their enemy.
Wouldn't this be in violation os our Constitution on 2 counts.Picking and choosing a certain "religion".Do what? Troops on the
ground? Another "war"? A Christian Jihad? Middle Aged Crusade?
@UtahBlueDevil: "Just maybe because the west has grown tired of wars based
on religion."We in the west no longer fight over religion. Now we fight for oil company profits, for arms dealer profits, and to
install central banks in countries that don't have one.
This has a familiar ring to it. Wasn't it President Van Buren who said
"Your cause is just, but I can do nothing for you"? It would seem that
the cost of interference in this persecution is more than we can afford. Our
armed forces are exhausted and our will to fight is depleted. During
America's early history, we had to watch on the margins while suffering and
grave atrocities were committed against the innocent. Even in recent history,
there is limited action we could take in Bosnia, Ruwanda, etc. This time, the
violence was largely initiated because of our meddling. Now that we've
surrendered in the Middle East, we will just have to live with the consciousness
of our inadequacy in face of these horrors.
Why should we address this as a religious issue? Are we just jihadists of a
different flavour? People are being persecuted, tortured and killed in a war
zone. Whatever response we implement to these atrocities can and should be a
matter of record of our humanity. We don't need to cloud the situation with
more religious nonsense.
It's extremely simple if you Know Jesus and his holy word. Amos 3.3 Can two
walk together, except they be agreed?The truth is that the
antichrists rule AmeriKa and there's very little TRUE Bible Following
Christians left, a true remnant of a remnant of a remnant et al, left.Darkness has clothed her putrid self in the cloak of light to deceive the
world, it's time to take a moment of pure reflection on truth in your
personal thinking yeah decision process.Do you really love truth?Can you really judge rightly?Are you guilty of not considering the WHOLE
TRUTH as you've uncovered in any research & reflection?