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John Florez: Elect leaders who can lead, give hope and unite

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  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 2, 2014 1:47 a.m.

    From the piece: "It seems a little hypocritical, if not disingenuous, for Utah politicians to rail against accepting federal money when 40 percent ($6 billion) of Utah’s budget comes from the federal government. “Past studies have shown that Utah receives more federal money than it sends to the nation's capital in taxes...” (“Utah too dependent on federal dollars, state auditor warns,” December 3, 2013)."

    If you look at all the states and see how much they pay in taxes to the federal government versus how much they get back in federal spending you will find that, on average, liberal states pay more in taxes than they get back, while conservative states get more in benefits than they pay in taxes. There are a few exceptions, but they rule holds pretty well.

    So liberal states are the makers, conservative states are the takers. The states that complain the most about federal spending are the ones who receive that spending. If we passed a law that said that no state can get back more than they pay in, states like New York, Delaware, and California would be much better off. States like Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolian would be much worse off.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Aug. 2, 2014 5:42 a.m.

    "40 percent ($6 billion) of Utah’s budget comes from the federal government."

    It is pretty hypocritical to shout "self-sufficiency", "personal responsibility", and "smaller government" when the reddest of the red states is so completely dependent on those Federal Dollars that it constantly decries.

    Reminds me of the guy who said "keep your government hands off my medicare"

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Aug. 2, 2014 7:13 a.m.

    "Unless we elect leaders who can lead, give us hope and unite us instead of divide us, we will continue to become a second-class state. Anything less is a recipe for failure."

    Yep, that applies doubly for our entire nation as well! We have an opportunity to begin our course correction in November. Let's not squander the opportunity to put America back on the path it used to be! Do it for our children and grandchildren!

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Aug. 2, 2014 8:16 a.m.

    This is the MOST EXCELLENT editorial I've read in DN for a long, long time.

    It should be required reading for every citizen of Utah.

    As the man from the mountain points out above, we have an opportunity to begin a course correction in November. Let's not squander it by returning Rob Bishop and other incumbents to office.

    Replace them with people of high quality and good sense.

    People like Donna McAleer and Doug Owens.

    Let's clean house in the Utah legislature.

    Indeed, let's not squander the chance to put America back on the path it used be. I'll be trying to do exactly that for my children and grandchildren.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Aug. 2, 2014 8:18 a.m.

    "Let's not squander the opportunity to put America back on the path it used to be"

    Let me guess. That means voting Republican?
    Or the "path it used to be" was when we were losing 750,000 jobs per month?

    Newsflash, The increase in deficit under Obama is made up overwhelmingly on 2 issues.

    Increase mandatory spending and reduced tax revenue (both recession related) Both would have been similar under Romney (or McCain for that matter.) Even the Heritage Foundation website confirms this information.

    One can certainly make an argument that the country is going in the wrong direction. But the "wrong direction" was occurring long before Obama took office.

    History has not shown that electing Republicans is a cure.

    I am not one to defend the Democrats, but I DO point out that the country runs pretty similarly whether we pull the D or the R lever.

  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    Aug. 2, 2014 8:37 a.m.

    "Whenever the vicious portion of the population shall be permitted to gather in bands of hundreds and thousands, and burn churches, ravage and rob provision stores, throw printing presses into rivers, shoot editors, and hang and burn obnoxious persons at pleasure, and with impunity; depend on it, this government cannot last."
    --Abraham Lincoln

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 2, 2014 8:59 a.m.

    leaders who lead, give hope, and unite - that definitely excludes BO.

    But getting to Florez's comment about how much of our state budget come from the feds (state auditor says we are too dependent) and whether we get more from or pay more to the feds - those are two different things. It is a weak and tired argument the lefties like to trot out every time they want to criticize one of the best run states in the nation.

    two things
    JoeBlow - you can pay attention to this, too - Utah is in the BOTTOM FIVE states in relation to how much we receive in federal dollars per capita. That means 45 OTHER states get MORE per capita from the feds than we do.

    Also the federal government runs a big deficit - not as massive as when the dems had the house, but still a big deficit - that means just about every state, if not all, receive more from the feds than they send in.

    stop with the Utah is a drag on the federal budget garbage, because that is just what it is - garbage!

  • intervention slc, UT
    Aug. 2, 2014 9:39 a.m.

    @mountaiman

    You are right it is time to get rid of the takers, republicans officials, and replace them with givers "liberal" officials" that will put more money in then they take out.

  • Understands Math Lacey, WA
    Aug. 2, 2014 9:49 a.m.

    "Elect leaders who can lead, give hope and unite"

    That is an incredibly banal point. Should said leaders also be honest, trustworthy, loyal, kind, etc.?

    Well, maybe Utah voters should stick to trustworthy. Anything beyond that is tough to Swallow.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Aug. 2, 2014 10:36 a.m.

    "Unless we elect leaders who can lead, give us hope and unite us instead of divide us, we will continue to become a second-class state. Anything less is a recipe for failure." That is exactly right.

    When will we get rid of the dividers? The Boehners and McConnells, the Ryans and Cruzes, the Lees and the Chafetzes and their GOP cohorts.

    And I agree wholeheartedly with the following statement:

    "Yep, that applies doubly for our entire nation as well! We have an opportunity to begin our course correction in November. Let's not squander the opportunity to put America back on the path it used to be! Do it for our children and grandchildren!"

    Exactly. In November, we will have a chance to elect some quality people to replace Rob Bishop, Chris Stewart, Jason Chafetz, and find a good replacement for Jim Matheson. Let's not squander the opportunity. While we're at it, let's clean a bunch of incumbents out of the Utah legislature.

  • FreedomFighter41 Provo, UT
    Aug. 2, 2014 10:46 a.m.

    @ MM

    I agree, think of our children and grandchildren this November. Our country cannot survive another round of tea party radicals who place party above country.

  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    Aug. 2, 2014 11:10 a.m.

    "Whenever the vicious portion of the population shall be permitted to gather in bands of hundreds and thousands, and burn churches, ravage and rob provision stores, throw printing presses into rivers, shoot editors, and hang and burn obnoxious persons at pleasure, and with impunity; depend on it, this government cannot last."
    --Abraham Lincoln

    This is the exact principle at issue here.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Aug. 2, 2014 12:01 p.m.

    Excellent essay Mr. Florez. What you have perfectly illustrated is how politics has been the main factor in most of the touble experienced by Americans over the past 3 decades. We need to have a healthy relationship between local, state and federal governments and the people that are elected to control those governments need to think of the people that elected them before they think of the power brokers that they mistakenly believe will ensure their re-election.

    Mountanman is right when he says "let's not squander the opportunity to put America back on the path it used to be", which is a nation of people working together for the good of everyone, not a group of individuals who are only interested in their own self interests. We are a great nation, the greatest, not because we have great individuals but because we (meaning our citizens from the past) have worked together in concert for the benefit of all. Only when we turn our attention to selfish interests does our great nation suffer. Remember, don't squander the chance come November.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 2, 2014 12:16 p.m.

    To lost in D.C.: Many states pay much more in federal taxes than they get back. Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, New Jersey, and Connecticut are near the top of the list.

    I can't post links here, but the Economist magazine did a piece on it fairly recently. Plus I have seen the info posted on several other sources.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 2, 2014 1:15 p.m.

    JoeBlow,
    "I am not one to defend the democrats"

    Yes, that is about ALL you do.

    you talk about jobs - have we yet to reach the number of jobs created during the height of the bush years - fall of 2007? If BO and those you say you are not defending (but ALWAYS do) are doing such a wonderful job, why has it take so loooooooonnnnngggggggg to recover? BO and his ill-advised policies, that is why, Obamacare and his unrestrained, out-of-control EPA and his open borders policy in particular.

    we were still bleeding jobs when BO took over, and it was only when TARP started to take hold that the slide stopped.

    old man,
    you would have us vote for nancy pelosi? that WOULD be a squandered vote. I thought you were for retiring incumbents.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Aug. 2, 2014 2:31 p.m.

    "Whenever the vicious portion of the population shall be permitted to gather in bands of hundreds and thousands, and burn churches, ravage and rob provision stores, throw printing presses into rivers, shoot editors, and hang and burn obnoxious persons at pleasure, and with impunity; depend on it, this government cannot last."
    --Abraham Lincoln

    Let's see, that refers to the Tea Party, doesn't it?

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 2, 2014 3:01 p.m.

    Effective leadership has more to do with the tools of leadership than the imaginary notion of how he looks, acts or talks.

    Early on, the only thing a leader had to have was size. The advent of weapons from the original club to Atomic bombs worked for a while. Today's world might be referred to as the leadership age of mass media and the leaders are those who control it. The are not necessarily the ones we elect.

    I think President Obama's leadership would have been good had he not been stripped of the tools of leadership by being outgunned in the media.

    For Utah? Since we don't have any chance of leadership for people and only for business, we would be better served if our state leaders were not so bold and anxious to lead.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Aug. 2, 2014 4:40 p.m.

    You demos are sure optimistic about the mid-term elections! What are you going to run on, Obamacare disasters, doubling the national debt, the weakest economic recovery in 5 decades, the decline of the middle class, foreign policy meltdowns, the immigration debacle, what? I'm not too optimistic that blaming GWB is going to win for you anymore!

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Aug. 2, 2014 4:41 p.m.

    lost in DC --Do you live in California? If not, you're not going to vote for Nancy Pelosi. But good boogey man for the far right, so keep on trotting out her name.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Aug. 2, 2014 5:14 p.m.

    Lost in DC - According the Bureau of Labor Statistics the numbers go like this:

    In the 8 years prior to the GW Bush presidency, in other words, during the Clinton Adminstration, there were 22,740,000 jobs created.

    In the 8 years of the GW Bush Administration there were 1,216,000 jobs created

    In the 6 years since the start of the Obama Administration there have been 5,182,000 jobs created.

    You can look it up.

  • T. Party Pleasant Grove, UT
    Aug. 2, 2014 7:08 p.m.

    @one old man "Let's see, that refers to the Tea Party, doesn't it?"

    It does, if you can cite one instance in which the Tea Party burnt churches, robbed stores, threw printing presses into rivers, shot editors, or hanged and burnt obnoxious persons.

    Just one.

    Post it right here.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Aug. 3, 2014 5:33 a.m.

    "I am not one to defend the democrats"

    Yes, that is about ALL you do.
    _ _ _ _

    If pointing out hypocrisy is "defending" then I am guilty.

    Let me say it again.

    Todays dems, given complete control, will ruin this country.
    The same can be said about the GOP.

    Things are not much different under Bush vs Obama. But listening to people like you, you would think Obama is the second coming of Hitler.

    I am amazed, and I point it out daily, that so many think the solution is to elect Republicans.
    Their track record is no better than the dems.

    THat constitutes "defending"?

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 9:14 a.m.

    T. Party.

    Just because they didn't always go by the name Tea Party, doesn't mean that they were active throughout history. Nor did they always use the same tactics.

    Nazi Germany is probably the best example. When a group puts themselves above the rights and freedoms of their society and the world, they exhibit the philosophy of the Tea Party person.

    Bundy is another prime example of putting personal considerations above other people. As an American he became rich and powerful, then turned on the nation and its government, influencing others to do the same.

    In the southern part of America, it is likely that all the things you mentioned we done by Tea Party type persons. Then they chose to wear white robes where as now they choose to wear the American flag.

  • Bob K Davis, CA
    Aug. 3, 2014 5:35 p.m.

    John Charity Spring
    Back Home in Davis County, UT
    "Whenever the vicious portion of the population shall be permitted to gather in bands of hundreds and thousands, and burn churches, ravage and rob provision stores, throw printing presses into rivers, shoot editors, and hang and burn obnoxious persons at pleasure, and with impunity; depend on it, this government cannot last."
    --Abraham Lincoln

    Well those of us who have imaginations thought of what the Tea P folks did in Wisconsin, the Sequester and shutting down the government, idiotic pronouncements by Palin, Ryan, et al. I find that metaphor seems to pass over heads here.

    However, everybody knows you mean the Romney-cited 47%, particularly the Black and Brown folks that you like to say this President is giving your money to. Most of us also know that the wool is over your eyes, because he deficit comes from oil wars and historically low taxes for the rich.

    Utah and other States used to elect better people. When the criterion are doing the bidding of the rich, or pleasing a church or doing the best at trashing people we don't like
    Then you get what you have got.

  • Calpete SLC, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 8:09 p.m.

    If leading the country in so many economic, health, and other quality of life categories means Utah is rushing toward becoming a second class state then I say pedal to the metal and let's try for Mr Flores' version of third class. All it takes to be part of it is to work hard for a generation, keep your family together, emphasize self reliance and education. Not easy - but worth it. Wish California could come close to Utah in ANY category. Utah leaders are doing a fantastic job.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Aug. 4, 2014 7:13 a.m.

    To "unite", a leader would need to compromise. Compromising has become the symbol of weakness to many, and is a completely intolerable concept by many. In today's political environment, I don't think a leader who espouses any of these characteristics would have a chance of being elected.

  • T. Party Pleasant Grove, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 11:49 a.m.

    @Bob K "Well those of us who have imaginations thought of what the Tea P folks did in Wisconsin, the Sequester and shutting down the government, idiotic pronouncements..."

    Your imagination notwithstanding, Wisconsin is now producing budget surpluses.

    On the government shutdown: both sides refused to compromise, not just one. During the shutdown, the Obama administration created unnecessary pain by barricading open-air monuments, barricading national cemeteries such as the D-Day memorial in Normandy, placing cones along highway viewing areas of national attractions, closing privately-maintained parks that require no federal money, forcing people out of their homes because they sit on federal land, disallowing furloughed chaplains from working for free, turning off websites (including Amber Alert), and deeming cancer treatments at the NIH to be non-essential. Some uniter.

    Obama's stance toward budget negotiation was "we will not compromise." This came at a time when it was apparent to everyone except Obama that there were going to be problems with Obamacare.

    And someone in the same party with Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Sheila Jackson Lee, and Debbie Wasserman Schultz should never bring up "idiotic pronouncements."

  • RFLASH Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 8, 2014 3:38 p.m.

    The republican party always exaggerates and over does it on everything! The way they scream about the government and they themselves are a part of that big government! Maybe they should be cu? This state is so bad that they were not going to accept Ryan White funding, which helps people with aids! That was truly disgusting! It says a lot about people, doesn't it! When people are too self righteous, things get warped! They do make sure that they get all of their benefits, don't they!