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  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 6:42 a.m.

    Such a disappointing schedule for the Cougar fan base. UNLV, Middle Tennessee State, Cal (1-11 last year), Savannah State? Really? Anything less than 11-1 would be a disappointment with the quality of teams BYU is playing. Yet, if BYU manages to win more games than Utah (with Utah's brutal schedule of Oregon, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Arizona State, Michigan), all we'll be hearing about is how great the team in Provo is compared to the Utes.

    It's downright annoying.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2014 8:18 a.m.

    If Bronco doesn't go undefeated this year, he never will. This year's schedule is soft as 2011 (10-3) but he has a better QB and OC.

    The Coaches poll just came out, not a single team on BYU's schedule is ranked.

    Meanwhile Utah has the privilege to play:

    #4 Oregon
    #7 @UCLA
    #11 @Stanford
    #15 USC
    #18 @ASU

  • taylormade1 Springville, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 8:23 a.m.

    Can't wait to see how this "coaches poll" looks about 5 weeks into the season !

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 8:29 a.m.

    Correction utectomy

    Meanwhile Utah has the privilege to be embarrassed by:

    #4 Oregon
    #7 @UCLA
    #11 @Stanford
    #15 USC
    #18 @ASU

  • taylormade1 Springville, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 8:36 a.m.

    just put my own 2014 preseason football schedule out today. I actually have BYU ranked 15th in my preseason poll . Oh,wait a minute my mistake as i just remembered preseason polls mean absolutely nothing before a down of football is even played ! Just WIN baby and things will fall in place this year !

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2014 8:47 a.m.

    @Christine B. Hedgefog
    Salt Lake City, UT

    Correction utectomy

    Meanwhile Utah has the privilege to be embarrassed by:

    #4 Oregon
    #7 @UCLA
    #11 @Stanford
    #15 USC
    #18 @ASU

    ---------------

    Why? Like BYU could do better?

    FACT: BYU has not beat a ranked P5 team in 18 years.

    Speaking of being embarrassed: Virgina (2-10) 19 BYU 16
    Virginia's other win: Virgina Military Institution (D2 team)

    BYU was 2-5 vs P5 teams last year and 5-11 since going Indy.

    Correction to my earlier post, BYU does play Texas which is ranked #23.

    @taylormade1
    Most likely in 5 weeks Oregon, UCLA, and Stanford will still be ranked and maybe USC. The question is will Texas?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 8:48 a.m.

    pressure to be playing one of the worst schedules in the entire nation?

    LOL!

  • the world Woods Cross, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 8:52 a.m.

    Utes, whenever you make a comment about BYU's 2014 schedule, remember that your team refused to be part of it.

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 9:13 a.m.

    Let me see........What would I prefer; a) play a decent schedule and win games and go to a Bowl game, or b) be a door mat in a decent conference and watch my record keep getting worse each year and never go to a bowl game, let alone be the subject of any National Attention by any of the players for consideration for an individual award.

    After much consideration, I think I choose "A".

    Go Cougs and Go all the BYU players that have made all the "Watch Lists", from around the Nation!

  • ArgoFY Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2014 9:39 a.m.

    @ Eddie,

    "After much consideration, I think I choose "A"."

    byu's athletic administration couldn't agree more with you, which is exactly why byu will never come close to winning a National Championship in the Playoff era, or any era that proceeds it.

    The bright side to all of that is that byu fans will always have bragging rights to having annually played in the Beach Blanket Bowl.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    Aug. 1, 2014 9:45 a.m.

    Let's quit complaining about this schedule. It is a tough and gritty slate for a non-p5 squad and if you don't believe that, look at your Ball States, your Louisiana Lafayettes and your Troys. BYU's schedule matches up favorably with any of those other non P5's and is probably as challenging as a few actual P5 schools. I think that recruits who see themselves as not quite ready for a P5 conference challenge would look at that schedule and say, "If I'm not going to play big time college football, this is a good alternative. It's "almost" like being in a P5 conference program and I'll be able to say I played against the big boys two--maybe three times a season! That's something." Pat yourself on the back BYU. You're a scrappy little bunch and you've---ahhh---you've got a good looking campus.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Aug. 1, 2014 10:11 a.m.

    GoRed
    WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Such a disappointing schedule for the Cougar fan base. UNLV, Middle Tennessee State, Cal (1-11 last year), Savannah State? Really? Anything less than 11-1 would be a disappointment with the quality of teams BYU is playing. Yet, if BYU manages to win more games than Utah (with Utah's brutal schedule of Oregon, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Arizona State, Michigan), all we'll be hearing about is how great the team in Provo is compared to the Utes.

    It's downright annoying.

    ____________

    The team in is great both in and outside of Provo. It's the team of BYU fans that dwells on making up excuses why they deserve to be in a P5 conference, and demand respect rather than earn it.

  • Utefan4Lyf West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 10:15 a.m.

    @Eddie: Of course I would choose option B with a chance to improve each year. And I wouldn't call it a "decent schedule." There are no real powerhouse teams on the slate, except maybe Texas.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Aug. 1, 2014 10:16 a.m.

    Christine B. Hedgefog
    Salt Lake City, UT
    Correction utectomy

    Meanwhile Utah has the privilege to be embarrassed by:

    #4 Oregon
    #7 @UCLA
    #11 @Stanford
    #15 USC
    #18 @ASU

    ______

    Yeah BYU knows what its like to set the standard of losing to ranked teams on ESPN.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2014 10:18 a.m.

    Uteology

    "The Coaches poll just came out, not a single team on BYU's schedule is ranked.

    Meanwhile Utah has the privilege to play:..."

    It's sad that Utah fans have been reduced to trumpeting Utah's schedule and conference, instead of Utah's team.

    Bottom line:

    The Coaches poll just came out and BYU is among the teams receiving votes; while Utah is no where to be seen. Even NIU received more votes than the Utes.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Aug. 1, 2014 10:20 a.m.

    taylormade1
    Springville, UT
    just put my own 2014 preseason football schedule out today. I actually have BYU ranked 15th in my preseason poll . Oh,wait a minute my mistake as i just remembered preseason polls mean absolutely nothing before a down of football is even played ! Just WIN baby and things will fall in place this year !

    ________

    Why win?
    BYU can go 1-11 and will play in the Miami Beach Bowl this year. Nothing like a prearranged bowl to keep the fans motivated! Does not matter if they are in the polls or not, their fans will say how great the season was anyway.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 10:24 a.m.

    "BYU doesn't have to go 12-0 and bust into the new College Football Playoff for 2014 to be a success."

    BYU has already been eliminated from the College Football Playoff by this year's schedule.

    That isn't hating on BYU - it is recognition that the P5's are in charge of the playoffs. If you think it is as simple as "Finish the season ranked in the top 4 in the AP poll", you are wrong. Way wrong. Selection is done by the playoff committee, not by sportswriters and broadcasters. The committee will look at the schedule that was played.

    Especially in the inaugural season of the playoffs, the committee is not going to pick an undefeated mid-major team over a one-loss conference champion (or even a two-loss SEC team). It took several years for a mid-major to break into the BCS. It will take several years for a mid-major to break into the playoffs. It probably won't happen until the playoffs expand to 8.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 1, 2014 10:27 a.m.

    ArgoFY

    Remind us the last time the Utes won a national championship, played in 10 straight bowls, or had a player win a national individual award.

    It's quite amazing the a fan of another program would be ragging on a program that has already accomplished significant achievements that of his own program can only dream of accomplishing.

    National Championships
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    10-game bowl streaks
    BYU 1 (and on the verge of a 2nd)
    Utah 0

    National Individual Awards
    BYU 15
    Utah 0

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Aug. 1, 2014 10:35 a.m.

    Hey Ute fans,

    It's so great to see the constant concern you have for what BYU does. But I thought you guys had all "Moved On".

    I suggest you guys just worry about your own schedule...

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 1, 2014 10:37 a.m.

    Uteology

    "BYU was 2-5 vs P5 teams last year..."

    And Utah was 2-7.

    Which seems to suggest that the only "advantage" Utah has in playing more P5 teams, is the chance to lose more games to P5 opponents.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 10:38 a.m.

    Without the Utes to worry about, this could be a great season for the Cougars. They have some tough road games to deal with, but a few lucky breaks on the road could translate into 11 wins or even undefeated. I agree with Coach Mendenhall that 10 wins are more is what is expected.

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 10:44 a.m.

    Argosy,

    I think u need to look at the names of the bows again and pick the right one. Also while u are looking at the list, u may want to try to find the bowl that u will be playing in again. In case u need help, let me help u. There is none listed, because u do not qualify! U have to win a minimum amount of games and the u has not even come close, in fact they have been going down hill (pun intended) every year for the past three years.

    Also I noticed that u just picked what u wanted from my comments. U didn't even address the number of BYU players on watch lists vs the number from the u. .......Jealous much?

    LOL

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 10:44 a.m.

    Christine B. Hedgefog,

    3 losses by byu will be embarrassing.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 10:53 a.m.

    Comments from Ute fans: 9
    Comments from BYU fans: 3

    I never really understood this inferiority complex.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2014 11:05 a.m.

    Uteology

    "FACT: BYU has not beat a ranked P5 team in 18 years."

    But, BYU did beat #16/#17 ranked Utah State in 2012 and #18/#18 ranked Utah in 2009.

    It's hilarious how you have to slice and dice statistics in order to feel good about yourself.

    Try this "fact" on for size:

    FACT: Utah has not won a road game against a PAC team with a winning record since Utah was a member of the WAC.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2014 11:16 a.m.

    SoonerUte

    All speculation.

    You couldn't possibly know the exact criteria that the selection committee will use, if fact, the members probably won't even know until they sit down behind closed doors and start evaluating the strengths and weaknesses of each legitimate contender.

    Would an undefeated BYU be selected?

    Probably not.

    But, at the very least, an undefeated BYU would be in the discussion this season, which could pave the way for serious consideration in 2015, just as BYU's 7th ranked 1983 season paved the way for BYU's 1984 national championship season.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Aug. 1, 2014 11:21 a.m.

    For BYU, it is just win Baby. Just win.

    As for our Utah brothers who dominate this board, just win applies to U, too. U gets no respect for being a member of the PAC-12. Seriously, does WSU get more respect than BYU?

    Answer: no. LA Times recently mentioned that UCLA has upgraded their schedule by adding BYU. They used the word upgraded. Sounds like respect to me. 25% of the PAC12 coaches graduated from BYU, including UU.

    Utah will get respect only if they win. They don't have it now.

  • borox23 Payson, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 11:32 a.m.

    Utah may be part of the "P5" however I wonder how many of the fellow P5s take Utah as seriously as they take themselves. BYU alum, but I'm from Seattle, a Washington fan, and I never once saw any stickers, flags, or any fans bragging about being a part of the old Pac-10...being UW was enough. Husky Fever, not Pac-10 fever. Utah may be a part of the "P5" but rest assured they are part of the P5 that include caliber of teams like Cal, WSU, Colorado, Virginia, Wake Forest, Duke, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Illinois, Indiana... you guys are a real powerhouse, all puffed up about your conference and your P5 status, not much going on otherwise. That being said BYU would trade spots with Utah in a heartbeat. For now enjoy being the doormats while BYU will have a mildly successful season against mediocre teams like they usually do, never satisfying but not nearly as painful in my opinion. Never once when Washington has sucked have I said, "Well, at least we're in this great conference and a P5 school." Lame. College football around this state, Utah included, has a long way to go.

  • Utefan4Lyf West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 11:39 a.m.

    PAC Man:
    Actually, Utah has won two national championships. And they are both as relevant now as BYU's National Championship from 1984. I would probably not start bragging about 10 win seasons this year. If you do not have a ten win season I think BYU would need to begin thinking about a move down to D2 football.

  • taylormade1 Springville, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 12:00 p.m.

    non of the Pac 12 schools really take the U seriously. case in point at the PAC 12 media days recently. a Stanford player was asked what in the world happened at the U game ? He simply stated " we took the day off ! " Now thats what i call respect .

  • ArgoFY Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2014 12:06 p.m.

    PAC man:

    And remind me the last time BYU did anything of substance in the BCS era?

    BCS bowls: Utah: 2
    byu: 0

    Win over rival in last 4 years: Utah: 4
    byu: 0

    P5 Conference invite: Utah: 1
    byu: 0

    Enjoy those memories of past glory, because that's all byu fans will have going forward.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 1, 2014 12:12 p.m.

    Utefan4Lyf

    "Utah has won two national championships."

    Only in your crimson-colored dreams.

    If you want to count some minor "poll" of a single individual as a "national championship", knock yourself out, but there's not a single major poll or major national organization that's ever recognized Utah as a major college football NC.

    btw, remind us how many 11+ win seasons the Utes have had, ever?

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 12:36 p.m.

    Uteanymous "an undefeated BYU would be in the discussion this season, which could pave the way for serious consideration in 2015, just as BYU's 7th ranked 1983 season paved the way for BYU's 1984 national championship season."
    This article was about the chance for a special season this year because the schedule is weak. If 2014 gets BYU in the discussion, they could quickly fall out with a tougher 2015 schedule.

    We agree that a mid-major will have to make noise to break the P5 playoff club. Boise State might be a good candidate with a special season AND a conference championship game win. If you think not having a CCG hurts the Big 12, it most certainly hurts BYU too.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2014 12:46 p.m.

    ArgoFY

    "And remind me the last time BYU did anything of substance in the BCS era?"

    BYU has three 11+ win, Top 15 finishes since 2006, which is more 11+ win, Top 15 finishes in the last 8 seasons, than Utah has in its entire history.

  • Jared from CT SOUTHBURY, CT
    Aug. 1, 2014 1:29 p.m.

    Until there is a REAL college football playoff, the ENTIRE FBS season and so-called post-season is MEANINGLESS.

    16 teams: The conference winner from each of the 13 (I believe) FBS conferences, and 3 at-large teams (which could possibly include an undefeated BYU team). 4 weeks of games for the winner. VERY, VERY doable, and the ONLY way to crown a true champion.

  • utesgoingdownthehill Salt Lake City , UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 1:35 p.m.

    It's great to see that Utah fans have disassociated themselves from BYU. Oh the irony. I am going to gloat about my conference's foes ranking and tough schedule that was handed to me by virtue of being part of the conference. I don't have single positive thing to say about my team but I am going to bash every single mid majors. Go potato chips bowl!

  • ArgoFY Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2014 1:53 p.m.

    phantomblade:

    All of those 'accomplishments' and no BCS games. Cool.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2014 1:52 p.m.

    Uteanymous
    Salt Lake City, Utah

    Uteology

    "FACT: BYU has not beat a ranked P5 team in 18 years."

    But, BYU did beat #16/#17 ranked Utah State in 2012 and #18/#18 ranked Utah in 2009.

    It's hilarious how you have to slice and dice statistics in order to feel good about yourself.

    ---------------

    Excuse me? Was I the one that said Utah will be "embarrassed" by "ranked PAC-12 teams" this year? If you don't like the response turned back on you then you might not want to make the statement in the first place.

    I could have said when was the last time BYU beat a ranked PAC-12 team, which would have been more valid. Instead I asked the question about P5 teams. We know BYU has beaten 3 ranked teams in 18 years, all three were MWC teams.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 2:21 p.m.

    RE: the world

    Utes, whenever you make a comment about BYU's 2014 schedule, remember that your team refused to be part of it.

    Why would Utah play BYU? Utah doen't need BYU. ESPN rated Utah as having the toughest schedule of 2014.

    Why would Utah play BYU? Even when Utah wins, BYU still claims to be better.

  • Alpiner Alpine, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 2:27 p.m.

    In the late 70's when I was attending BYU, Utah was horrible. They bragged about playing Nebraska and similar teams while BYU was playing Weber State and some other weak teams for their non conference schedule. Our response was great for you Utah, you play Nebraska and get beat by 50 points.

    Eventually Utah started winning those games and started beating BYU. It will be interesting to see if they can rise to a higher level again. Right now, BYU can't beat Utah and it seems that Bronco has only a mild concern about this.

  • Riley Mendenhall Provo, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 2:27 p.m.

    BYU only plays 1 P5 team that had a winning record last year (or even won a P5 conference game).

    Texas. That is it.

    And Texas is coming in with a new coach and just suspended their 6th player this offseason.

    This year's slogan:

    The Quest for Cupcakes!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2014 2:27 p.m.

    @Uteanymous

    Try this "fact" on for size:

    FACT: Utah has not won a road game against a PAC team with a winning record since Utah was a member of the WAC

    ------------

    True, but that also applies to BYU. So I don't know what your point was.

    In the last 20 years Utah has TWO such wins, BYU just ONE.

    BYU's second PAC road win? In 1983 with Steve Young, over 31 years ago:

    9/20/2007 @Arizona State (9-3) 10 BYU 13
    10/1/1983 @UCLA (7-4-1)35 BYU 37

    9/7/1996 @Stanford (7-5) 10 Utah 17
    9/17/1994 @Oregon (9-4) 16 Utah 34

  • Black&Blue St George, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2014 2:28 p.m.

    Uteology.

    "FACT: BYU has not beat a ranked P5 team in 18 years."

    Fact?
    Texas was ranked #15 when BYU beat them last year. Texas clobbered #6 OU and Ended the regular season ranked #23/#24/#25.
    BYU beat #2 ranked Oklahoma in 2009. They finished 8-5 Unranked, but lost their Heisman trophy winning QB Sam Bradford in the first half vs. BYU, or would have finished much higher.

    I agree that BYU struggles vs P5 opponents, abut your claim that we haven't beaten a ranked P5 opponent in 17 years is certainly not a fact.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2014 2:39 p.m.

    According to ESPN:

    Starting Oct. 28, the 13-member panel given the task of picking the schools for the new four-team playoff will release weekly rankings.

    Voting for the newest college football poll will be done using the same procedure and recusal policy used by the committee that chooses the 68-team field for NCAA men's basketball tournament. The voting will be broken down into tiers, with the panel first grouping teams and then coming to a consensus on how they should be ordered with numerous votes.

    ---------------

    If BYU accomplishes its "special season" it will be lucky enough to be ranked in the top 10. Teams will be passing BYU left and right in October and November.

    If BYU goes 23-0, BYU will be lucky to get ranked #5, see Boise State who never got higher than #6.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2014 2:59 p.m.

    @Black&Blue

    I agree that BYU struggles vs P5 opponents, abut your claim that we haven't beaten a ranked P5 opponent in 17 years is certainly not a fact.

    -------------

    Only thing that matters is what you are ranked at the end of the season (aka final rankings).

    Please provide me with a list of P5 teams that were ranked in the AP poll that BYU beat.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2014 3:16 p.m.

    @Riddles in the Dark

    Bottom line:

    The Coaches poll just came out and BYU is among the teams receiving votes; while Utah is no where to be seen. Even NIU received more votes than the Utes.

    --------

    NIU received 1 more vote and BYU 18. Congrats!

    I am willing to bet Utah beats both teams on the field.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 3:30 p.m.

    "Why would Utah play BYU? Even when Utah wins, BYU still claims to be better."

    And, as per the polls, most of the time the nation thinks that BYU is better, too. This last year Utah was ranked higher than BYU by a single spot in a single poll (gaining just .6 points more). Congrats on finally outranking the Cougars for the first time in about 4 years.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 1, 2014 3:54 p.m.

    Uteology

    It's laughable how you mix actual procedures with your own biased, BYU-hating opinion and then pretend that everything you write is "fact".

    The truth is, BYU has a slim, but better, chance of making the playoffs in 2014 than Utah.

    At least BYU has a chance of winning 11 or 12 games.

    Utah will be lucky to win 6.

    With 11 or 12 wins, BYU would at least be in the discussion, even with a weaker schedule.

    With 6 wins, Utah wouldn't even be an after thought.

  • Robyuuki Lewisburg, PA
    Aug. 1, 2014 3:58 p.m.

    It is all squarly on our football team's shoulders to rise and shine. And this is the year of no excuses. If we cannot do it this year with the talent onboard, then.......

    So let's do ittttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt.

    Go Cougs.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 1, 2014 4:04 p.m.

    The thing that our little friend from the hill is desperately trying to ignore is that beating a ranked P5 is NOT a criteria for anything; it's simply something he made up.

    Overall records, beating any ranked team, beating any quality team, avoiding ugly losses, and, to a degree, SOS, all are factored into the final rankings which are infinitely more important than whether you beat a "ranked P5" or not.

    Utah proved that last season, beating a Top 15 "ranked P5", but not even qualifying for bowl.

    Meanwhile, BYU didn't beat a "ranked P5", but did qualify for a bowl.

    btw, remind us which "ranked P5" Utah beat to qualify for their first BCS game.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 1, 2014 4:17 p.m.

    "As BYU opens its fall football camp, two things are clear: The pressure is on, and BYU is embracing it." -- Lafe Peavler

    If the cougars think "the pressure is on" with THIS schedule, they'd totally wilt and wet themselves should they ever have to face the sort of pressure that comes with playing a P5 schedule.

    It's a good thing they'll be facing Savannah St. on Rivalry Weekend. No pressure there.

    And Lafe, let's not call this schedule "solid but not overly difficult". Let's call it what it is: "midmajorey weak SOS". Ten wins as the bare minimum sounds about right to me.

  • Black&Blue St George, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2014 4:19 p.m.

    Uteology,

    "Only thing that matters is what you are ranked at the end of the season (aka final rankings)."

    Then why are you trashing BYU's 2014 based on Pre-season rankings? Your very first comment on this article included a statement that BYU does not face a single opponent ranked in the pre-season coaches poll (Also false). But if the only thing that matters is final rankings, than why did you use the pre-season rankings to support your argument?
    It's funny how Ute fans logic can change so conveniently...

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 1, 2014 5:02 p.m.

    Uteology

    Shockingly, Utah 2004 didn't beat a single "ranked P5" to qualify for the Fiesta Bowl, and Utah 2008 only beat one "ranked P5", #18/#19 Oregon State, to qualify for the Sugar Bowl.

    Who Utah beat in their bowl game is irrelevant, because by today's "playoff standards", post season results won't even be a factor in determining who is invited to the playoffs.

    Bottom line, by your own "ranked P5" standard, the best team in Utah history wouldn't have been invited to the playoffs.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2014 5:25 p.m.

    @TroyTown

    Uteology

    It's laughable how you mix actual procedures with your own biased, BYU-hating opinion and then pretend that everything you write is "fact".

    The truth is, BYU has a slim, but better, chance of making the playoffs in 2014 than Utah.

    At least BYU has a chance of winning 11 or 12 games.

    Utah will be lucky to win 6.

    With 11 or 12 wins, BYU would at least be in the discussion, even with a weaker schedule.

    With 6 wins, Utah wouldn't even be an after thought.

    --------------

    A 2014 11 win BYU team has the same chance as making a playoff as 6 win Utah team, none. If history is any indication a 12 win 2014 BYU playing such a weak SOS will be in discussions just like your 2001 team:

    "Officials from the [BCS] didn't even wait long enough to see if [12-0] BYU could finish the regular-season with an undefeated record to decide the Cougars' BCS fate. Access denied." -- Deseret News

    However, I would agree with you that a 11/12 win BYU team playing your 2013 SOS has a "slim" chance to beat out an equal P5 team.

    That's just reality, if you refuse to accept it's on you.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Aug. 1, 2014 5:31 p.m.

    PAC man
    Anaheim, CA
    ArgoFY

    Remind us the last time the Utes won a national championship, played in 10 straight bowls, or had a player win a national individual award.

    It's quite amazing the a fan of another program would be ragging on a program that has already accomplished significant achievements that of his own program can only dream of accomplishing.

    National Championships
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    10-game bowl streaks
    BYU 1 (and on the verge of a 2nd)
    Utah 0

    National Individual Awards
    BYU 15
    Utah 0

    _____________

    Member of a P5 Conference
    Utah - PAC 12
    BYU - 40+ years of a WAC legacy, and still now conference invite

  • Black&Blue St George, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2014 5:35 p.m.

    It's funny how now that Utah is in a P5 conference (and not doing well) SOS means absolutely everything. But when they were undefeated as MWC members and SOS arguments were being used against them, SOS meant very little.

    The fact is SOS is pretty far down on the pecking order when it comes to rankings.

    #1 FSU - #62 SOS

    #3 MSU - #51 SOS

    #8 Clemson - #54 SOS

    #10 UCF - #79 SOS

    That's 4 top 10 teams...

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2014 5:53 p.m.

    @Black&Blue

    BYU has a WEAK schedule, there's no way to get around it. It's so weak that your OWN coach said BYU needs to go 23-0 in order be in playoff "discussions".

    @talkinsports: "btw, remind us which "ranked P5" Utah beat to qualify for their first BCS game."

    I never claimed BYU wouldn't make a BCS bowl game going 11-1 or 12-0, they most likely will as long as they are ranked #12 or above. What I said was ANY TEAM playing a #90 SOS will NEVER earn top 4 ranking thus a playoff spot.

    For example, TCU finished #7 and #6 back-to-back in 2008 and 2009 yet at 12-0 in 2010 the highest they were ranked was BCS #4. So that team would have made the playoffs, so BYU does have a slim chance. But please tell me when was the last time BYU was ranked in the top 10 three straight years, including under the great Edwards/Chow era?

  • taylormade1 Springville, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 6:22 p.m.

    No doubt Chris b , the Y,s company at 97 - Oklahoma @93 and alabama @95 . The 2nd and 3rd ranked teams in the nation . So much for your silly SOS talk ! LOL !

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 7:46 p.m.

    @ Black&Blue

    I think you might have been looking at pre-season rankings. Texas finished unranked in 2013.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Aug. 2, 2014 12:08 a.m.

    Uteology

    The thing you fail to account for in all of your predictions based on previous results is that every season is different.

    A record that might not be good enough to qualify for a BCS game or the playoffs in one season, might be more than good enough in another season.

    It's laughable that you're constantly using TCU as your gold medal standard.

    In 2013, BYU curb stomped Texas 40-21, yet TCU was curb-stomped by Texas 7-30.

    When was the last time Utah had back-to-back Top 15 finishes, let alone Top 10 finishes?

    When was the last time Utah had back-to-back 11+ win seasons?

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 2, 2014 10:21 a.m.

    I get really tired of BYU fans making such a big deal about Ute fans commenting on articles dealing primarily with BYU. There are a lot of valid reasons for Ute fans to comment on these articles. The DNews is not running a BYU fan forum. These comment boards are free for anybody to comment on. Also, lots of us Ute fans are also LDS and therefore have an interest in BYU due to our Church membership. We may not be fans of their sports programs, but we pay attention to what is going on at BYU none the less. BYU is also our chief rival no matter what some Ute fans claim. So let that point go. It proves nothing. Many BYU fans claim and interest in the U of U, because it is a public university and they are taxpayers and they also recognize the rivalry. So let's accept the fact that we follow each other's programs and not make that a point of contention.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 2, 2014 12:58 p.m.

    Black&Blue:

    "Texas was ranked #15 when BYU beat them last year."

    So what? They finished 8-5 and unranked. So that's the sort of team they were. In September, they were clearly overrated. There weren't REALLY the 15th best team in the country last year, were they? So no, you don't get credit for beating a "ranked" Texas team. You get credit for beating an "unranked" one.

    "Texas clobbered #6 OU and Ended the regular season ranked #23/#24/#25."

    No they didn't. They finished "unranked", and received only 4 votes in the Coaches poll. They received no votes in the AP, and the Harris doesn't count anyone below #25.

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    Aug. 2, 2014 7:57 p.m.

    Uteology
    East Salt Lake City, Utah

    "The Coaches poll just came out, not a single team on BYU's schedule is ranked."

    Well, uh, er, ah...isn't Texas #24 in the same poll? Or must we go with your fact-less fiction?

    And just how many wins will utes have vs. those ranked teams you cite?

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    Aug. 2, 2014 8:14 p.m.

    WACPadding

    "It's the team of BYU fans that dwells on making up excuses why they deserve to be in a P5 conference, and demand respect rather than earn it."

    As a Bruin I find it laughable that one of the doormats of the PAC-10+2 thinks they have earned our respect. You are in our conference because we wanted a championship game and needed sufficient cannon fodder to fill up the PAC-10's dance card.

    Some day the U may win 6 or even seven games and get into a PAC-10+2 second tier bowl; but they will NEVER play in the Rose Bowl on New Year's day. And it then logically follows that the U will NEVER win a National Championship.

    So I'd be a bit more humble about the "prestige" you've "earned" by merely being invited into our conference.

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    Aug. 3, 2014 5:35 p.m.

    Eddie
    Syracuse, UT
    Let me see........What would I prefer; a) play a decent schedule and win games and go to a Bowl game, or b) be a door mat in a decent conference and watch my record keep getting worse each year and never go to a bowl game, let alone be the subject of any National Attention by any of the players for consideration for an individual award.

    After much consideration, I think I choose "A".

    ----------

    You're not alone. Many BYU fans would rather play a dog schedule and pretend to be a national power... rather than ever try to be a real national power by playing the type of schedules played by the big boys.

    Kind of like how some people love to be tough guys on the internet... but would turn tail and run if challenged to a real fight for fear of getting trounced when it counts.

    Nice attitude.

    LOL

  • Jeremy234 SLC, UT
    Aug. 4, 2014 10:34 a.m.

    BYU loses to: UCONN, Texas, Houston, Utah State, Boise State, and Cal there might be one more as well.

  • Jeremy234 SLC, UT
    Aug. 4, 2014 10:40 a.m.

    Oh, how did I forget? They will also lose to UCF!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2014 1:17 a.m.

    @ Jeremy234

    I could see losses to UCONN, Texas, Utah St., and UCF. Although I don't think BYU will lose all of those. Boise St. is a paper tiger and BYU beats them by two scores.

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    Sept. 25, 2014 5:29 p.m.

    @ Mormon Ute

    "I get really tired of BYU fans making such a big deal about Ute fans commenting on articles dealing primarily with BYU."

    Nobody's saying you can't comment on stories that have nothing to do with your team, and have to do with a team that you all swear you've long since moved past. But you all obviously don't realize how ridiculous you come off when you spout off.

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    Sept. 25, 2014 5:36 p.m.

    @ Old But Not Stupid
    "I find it laughable that one of the doormats of the PAC-10+2 thinks they have earned our respect. You are in our conference because we wanted a championship game and needed sufficient cannon fodder to fill up the PAC-10's dance card."

    Hear, hear! I can tell you, USC fans feel the same way, as do the UW fans I know.

    Actually, the attitude of the fans from the top half of the PAC reminds me of an exchange from Casablanca: Ugarte: "You despise me, don't you?" Rick: "If I gave you any thought I probably would."

  • 71-39 Alpine, UT
    Oct. 3, 2014 1:28 p.m.

    It's been fun to go back and read the comments from the Ute fans who dominated most of the earliest comments to this article. Chris B proving once again while both Ute and BYU fans consider him irrelevant. His ultra-biased comments somehow were allowed while it's possible this one won't be... even though I'm being nothing but totally honest about the situation.

    Ute fans making fun of a BYU schedule that was and is equivalent in strength to the 2004 and 2008 seasons Utah went to BCS bowl games. It's nothing if not hypocritical.

    And since this article came out, BYU has gone undefeated and is now nationally ranked in the Top-20 of the country, while Utah still seeks it's first conference victory of the season, just like it always has going into October since joining the PAC12.

    BYU is doing better than expected while Utah just suffered a big conference game upset.
    As the old saying goes, He who laughs last... well, you know the rest.