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  • Sports Nutz Smithfield, UT
    July 31, 2014 8:24 p.m.

    No

  • Colorado is our rival Salt Lake, UT
    July 31, 2014 8:53 p.m.

    Nope!

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    July 31, 2014 8:54 p.m.

    Absolutely!

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    July 31, 2014 9:08 p.m.

    It's all about the O line. If they are solid, it will be a great year, and just as important, it will set the Cougars up for excellent years to come. Here's hoping that the time Bronco has spent with the offensive players will translate into some of that defensive "nasty" transplanted into the big guys up front.

    Go Cougars!

  • Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
    July 31, 2014 9:13 p.m.

    "Can BYU put together a special season?"

    Any team can put together a special season, what BYU fans want is for a "special season" to happen more often than not!

    We are happy that BYU has been a good team for years now we want BYU to make that transition to a consistently great team!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2014 9:30 p.m.

    Sure looks like Holmoe and byu set up this schedule for the sole purpose of getting as many gimme wins as possible. With one of the worst schedules in the entire nation, if they cant have a "special season" with this schedule, when WOULD they?

    LOL!

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    July 31, 2014 9:38 p.m.

    I really wish the local news media would stop over-hyping the BYU season.. Yes, I'm a BYU fan as most know. It's getting ridiculous and just makes karma all the more likely. Just stop! If this does have any chance of being a great season it will be because they stay humble and work their tails off playing with a chip on their should to prove themselves to the P5 teams.

  • TheHobbit Bountiful, UT
    July 31, 2014 9:41 p.m.

    Absolutely not!!

  • mindgames Aurora, CO
    July 31, 2014 9:46 p.m.

    Still don't understand why the negative comments. This will be a special season with impressive wins over nationally recognized programs like Texas and Boise State and up-and-comers like Central Florida and Utah State.

    With the bowl win I'm seeing a 12-1 season and a set up for a run at the FIELD OF FOUR in 2015.

    Wahoo!

    Goooooooooooo Cougars

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    July 31, 2014 9:52 p.m.

    They can maybe hang with anyone, but they can't beat anyone. Win at Texas and Boise and they can really be something special.

  • Y Ask Y Provo, UT
    July 31, 2014 10:33 p.m.

    A special season would require a much stronger schedule.

    And everyone knows it.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    July 31, 2014 10:38 p.m.

    I hope it is all true, but after ten years we can see that there will never be a great or creative offense under Bronco. Deep down they are still the team that could not score a touchdown against Boise.

  • ex patria cougar Australia, 00
    July 31, 2014 11:07 p.m.

    I'm a huge BYU football fan, but I couldn't stand to read this article. Every year, BYU talks as if it is going to have a "special season." I cannot remember one single year, ever, when at least some BYU footballer isn't quoted as mentioning the possibility of a national championship.

    To me, this spells failure on at least 2 levels. First, it is a failure of reasonable expectation management. Why is this important? Because talk like this sets the expectation that nothing less that an undefeated season is a successful season, and that is nonsense. (2) Premature (and frankly, unjustifiable) talk of a national championship from a sports psychology perspective is harmful. Players perform better when they go in to a game with something to prove (for example, BYU playing Texas last year after the embarassment in Virginia).

    My advice to BYU players? Shut up and go out and win. You have done nothing in the past 4 years to suggest the team belongs anywhere near the national championship conversation, so shut up about it. Just go out and play with something to prove. Stop congratulating yourselves on how awesome you think you're going to be.

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2014 11:58 p.m.

    Regardless of how special the season is, they will end the season ranked substantially higher than the team up north and they will go to a bowl game unlike the team up north who will once again be making a coaching change and spouting about how wonderful it is to be the basement dweller of the PAC-12.

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 1:02 a.m.

    Wayne-- Might want to check the scores on the last 2 times Utah played BSU-- if you are a Utah fan, that is. Otherwise, BYU managed to score plenty of TD's against BSU last year.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2014 5:33 a.m.

    Yes. They no longer have their guarantee lose against Utah on their schedule.

    They are already 8-0, they just need 4 more wins over @Texas, @UCF, @Boise State, and Utah State. If they beat Texas, the go 12-0, else 10-2.

  • cougar76 Raleigh, NC
    Aug. 1, 2014 8:10 a.m.

    Jeff,
    This article has been written several times this summer. The troll comments are more of the same, too.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 8:16 a.m.

    A better question is "Should Tom Holmoe schedule more special seasons?"

    BYU is faced with a choice of trying to be a P5 independent, or being the best of the non-P5's. Playing like a P5 is a great challenge that can quickly ruin a "special season" and cost bowl eligibility.

    Playing to be "best of the rest" would be much more fun for fans. Loaded for wins, blowouts against lesser teams, and a sprinkling of victories over the "mighty" P5s... that has great appeal.

    North Dakota State could be a good model for BYU football. NDSU has been the FCS national champion for 3 years in a row. They're fans love having special seasons. They've found a place where they can dominate. Winning is fun, so they don't worry about moving up to the next level.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 8:19 a.m.

    With the cake schedule they gave themselves and an guaranteed bowl, they would have to be absolutely ridiculous to make an "appearance" of perfection.

    This might be the year to bring back their "Quest for Perfection" t-shirts.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 8:24 a.m.

    The so called basement dwellers of the PAC-12 make more money than if they had stayed in the top of the Mountain West, beating the team down south over and over and over and over again.

    The games are much more interesting. If you want a high school game, you go out Friday nights or to a team down south game. If you want a high level college game, then you go the Rice Eccles Stadium and see the top teams in the nation compete.

    The team down south and her fan base just doesn't get it. Most of those fans are just closet Utah fans, that go home and watch the real games after their team takes a 40 point lead over a rural high school team in the third quarter.....

  • dww722 North Salt Lake, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 8:57 a.m.

    @Ex Patria Cougar

    I agree 100%. Talk is cheap. If you're good nothing needs to be said.

  • Simpe Spectator St.George, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 9:13 a.m.

    When you play teams who's winning average in total is 41 percent its a very very special season. I remember when kids in elementary school were told they were special I remember thinking to myself "that's not a good thing", I was like 7 at the time. Does BYU have potential for a "special" season. Yep, they sure do! While they're at it, they should try and go for "most unique" at preference.

  • dww722 North Salt Lake, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 9:57 a.m.

    This years BYU schedule is at least as good as Utah's 2008 schedule that pushed the undefeated Utes into the top 5 in the final poll that year. Alabama and Oregon St. were the only good "power 5" teams on the schedule that year and TCU was good but not great. The rest (including BYU) were mediocre at best and terrible at worst. So with Utah's stellar model to emulate I'd say that if the Cougs run the table in 2014 they should finish top 5 with possible shot at a major bowl game. If any Utah fan disagrees with that they must be saying 2008 was a fluke. In any case, it beats the bottom of the PAC12 South division

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 10:02 a.m.

    Ted, the problem with your suggestion is that there are never two top teams in the nation playing in RES on the same day. Let us know when that happens but you might want to have one of your grand kids carry out that request because anyone alive today will not be alive when and if that were to ever happen.

  • 311ute Reno, NV
    Aug. 1, 2014 10:09 a.m.

    I love the annual preseason "This Is Our Year" hype that comes from Provo. Honestly, can you blame them? It's all or nothing for them down there. They have to talk about going undefeated because once that first loss comes, the outcome of the season is predetermined. The entire season is based on 4 games, lose one and it's all over. That's why being in a P5 conference is so awesome, the season isn't over with one loss. The Utes will play most of the season with at least a chance to win the division. Is it likely? No, but at least there is something to play for. BYU's something to play for is over once that first loss comes in September. Enjoy that awesome November schedule, I am sure it will be exciting.

  • the world Woods Cross, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 10:25 a.m.

    Hypocrisy: Utah fans using the *exact* arguments they opposed in 2004 and 2008.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    Aug. 1, 2014 10:33 a.m.

    For BYU to have a special season they have to win every game. If they do, they will be in a New Year's bowl game. For the u to have a special season, they must at least get 3 wins in conference play. They still won't have a bowl game. The u is in over their heads and everybody knows it.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 10:35 a.m.

    While BYU does have a few challenging road games on their schedule, I think they can certainly win 10 or 11 games and could go undefeated with some lucky breaks on the road. Especially since they don't have to face the Utes!

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    Aug. 1, 2014 10:49 a.m.

    Dww722 "This years BYU schedule is at least as good as Utah's 2008 schedule that pushed the undefeated Utes into the top 5 in the final poll that year. "

    Yes,compared to current schedules the Utes had an easier schedule then. What they did with it was go undefeated just as they did several years prior. Come talk to us after BYU goes undefeated with their easy schedule. It's very easy to predict "special" seasons in August. However, come December the predictions will be over and you're left with what you did on the field.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 10:49 a.m.

    @Y ask Y - I completely agree. When the article itself says BYU is set up with a softer than usual schedule...how does it become special when it's softer than usual? 1996 was a special season. 1984 was a special season. 1990 was a special season. I seriously doubt this one can be special, even winning out. I'd love to see it but doubt it. Now, a strong 2015 season could be a special one.

  • taylormade1 Springville, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 11:03 a.m.

    If any non "P5 CONFERENCE SCHOOL" (especially BYU) runs the table and goes undefeated this year they WILL be playing in a major bowl game this year. You can mark it down and count on it right now !

  • lixircat Indianapolis, IN
    Aug. 1, 2014 11:04 a.m.

    BYU's schedule is weak, no doubt about that. According to Phil Steele, our schedule ranks 97th out of 128 teams.
    Utah's is 11th. Good luck with that.
    But with Alabama is at 95 and Oklahoma is at 93, is 97 really worth complaining about?

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    Aug. 1, 2014 11:20 a.m.

    I mostly want to see BYU embarrass teams from the ACC and SEC.
    They don't think BYU is a power team. That will change when they can't lick the Cougars.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 1:13 p.m.

    @311ute

    Boy it sure would be something to put up a "pac12 south division champions" banner. Kinda like putting up a '2nd place secondary divison' banner or else a 'thanks for participating' banner. Just the pride in putting up a banner like that cannot be described, it would cause such euphoria on the hill, I mean just think about it how presitigious it would be to be the winner of one half of a conference? It would be almost as good as the banner they currently have hanging on res that say's "ranked 2nd" I mean "we're #2" is what most programs should aspire to and when you are #2 you should definitely hang up a banner.

    It will really impress everyone to see that "south division champions" banner when it finally does happen one day.

    lol

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2014 1:34 p.m.

    @Y Ask Y
    Provo, UT

    A special season would require a much stronger schedule.

    And everyone knows it.

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    What? No it does not, see 1984.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 1:49 p.m.

    It's pretty much done every years.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 1, 2014 1:56 p.m.

    "This years BYU schedule is at least as good as Utah's 2008 schedule that pushed the undefeated Utes into the top 5 in the final poll that year. Alabama and Oregon St. were the only good 'power 5' teams on the schedule that year and TCU was good but not great."

    We beat four teams finishing ranked, including two in the top-10, one of which spent a large chunk of the season at #1 [Alabama]. Tcu was the other team finishing in the top-10. Also, we went undefeated and placed a bunch of kids off of that team into The Nfl. '14 byu will never produce such talent at the next level, will play against a significantly weaker schedule and won't go undefeated. This comparison is utterly insane.

  • ClarkeinAK Anchorage, AK
    Aug. 1, 2014 2:10 p.m.

    How do we 'make some noise nationally' if 1) BYU is not in the SEC, 2) Bronco and his inability to get his team prepared for big games and any game after a week off is still the coach, 3) Robert Anae is still the OC (let's surprise them with a run up the middle on first down), and 4) they become un-BYU like and do not let up if/when we get a big lead (the more points, the more you're noticed).

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 2:15 p.m.

    "Every year, BYU talks as if it is going to have a "special season."
    . . .
    To me, this spells failure . . . of reasonable expectation management."

    ex patria cougar:

    Finally, a clear-eyed assessment from a real Cougar fan. Many--even some Utah fans--sympathize with your viewpoint.

    However, two huge problems regarding managing Y fan expectations are independence and the pre-arranged lower-tier bowl tie-in. Coupled with a schedule that all but guarantees bowl qualification, this leaves the only goals the program can aspire to is a top tier bowl game and/or a national championship. No division titles or conference titles to shoot for, and no steady diet of strong teams to truly measure against. So, when the first loss sets in, whenever it happens, top-tier bowl possibilities are virtually gone. Fan interest will wane, team morale may suffer, and everyone goes through the motions of playing out the season without hope for more. And even if BYU were to run the table, without the cachet of a P5 conference or a strong schedule an undefeated season is no guarantee of a top-tier bowl or playoff spot.

    That would be tough for any fan base.

  • yabuts Springville, utah
    Aug. 1, 2014 2:20 p.m.

    Sounds good to me.

    The hype is refreshing...running the table, any table, will be great. Hope you all can go, fly, or drive to the homecoming game. Not to worry, I'm sure ESPN will be all over that one if you can't make the trip.

  • Alpiner Alpine, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 2:22 p.m.

    I'm a huge BYU fan but my immediate reaction to the comment that the team can hang with anyone was a memory of the beat downs by the Utes on us in the last few years. BYU certainly didn't hang with them in those two lopsided games.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 4:55 p.m.

    @Rufus Firefly
    "I hardly think BYU will have a "special season" playing the weak schedule they're playing. I read yesterday that BYU ranks 97th in college football in terms of strength of schedule. There were only 100 teams listed on the rankings. On the other hand, the Utes have been ranked 11th on the list, so their competition is much stronger. And people like "Pipes" who post about the Utes being basement dwellers in the Pac-12, that's just ridiculous...To suggest that BYU would fare better than the Utes if given the same strength of schedule is a PIPE dream"

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    Gee...don't be bitter Rufus. Great on you for the #11 SOS, we'll give you a "Thanks for Participating" trophy at the end of the season picnic after you lose to Colorado, get your HC fired, and are the doormat again in the Pac12.

    As for BYU faring better in the Pac12, Bronco is 9-6 vs the Pac12 (excluding Utah) and Kyle is 13-21 and vs common teams Bronco has gone 9-6 and Kyle 10-14.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 5:10 p.m.

    @SoonerUte

    BYU is faced with a choice of trying to be a P5 independent, or being the best of the non-P5's. Playing like a P5 is a great challenge that can quickly ruin a "special season" and cost bowl eligibility.

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    It worked out well last year for Holmoe. He scheduled 4 teams that began the season ranked in the top 25 (Boise, Texas, ND and Wisc) but not all were ranked by the time BYU played them. Still, BYU finished with the #38 SOS, ahead of Alabama, nearly the entire ACC, most of the Big12 and B1G and several PAC/SEC teams.

    That was a perfect mix of good to decent teams. The only crappy teams (non-bowl teams) on the schedule were Utah, Idaho St, Virginia and Nevada, the rest all went bowling.

    I think TH has it figured out, next year ('15) looks better than '13 with BYU opening the season @ Nebraska, Boise St, @ UCLA and @ Michigan.

    The only thing you really need from your schedule is for it to be respectable. It's not very bright to over-schedule, lose most of the games and get your Head Coach fired. There is no SOS trophy.

  • JD Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 1, 2014 5:14 p.m.

    A special season, hmm. Not sure how a season can be special when there are so many cupcakes on the schedule. Oh Provo fans will be delusional, due to high stats, and great record. But the truth is to be special, it has to be satisfying, and having amazing stats and record are already predicted. Special means you did something nobody thought you could do. Injuries are huge in college football, Taysom is one play away from handing the reigns over to whom? Nobody is experienced. Since Hill struggles to throw, he has to run, and he does that fairly well, but hit after hit, he is lucky he didn't go down last year. Two years in a row? The percentages are not in his favor.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 5:19 p.m.

    @Uteology
    Yes. They no longer have their guarantee lose against Utah on their schedule.

    They are already 8-0, they just need 4 more wins over @Texas, @UCF, @Boise State, and Utah State. If they beat Texas, the go 12-0, else 10-2.

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    I agree with you. Turns out that Kyle's ducking and running from the rivalry will benefit BYU this year. Utah usually does a great job playing the spoiler role and could've helped ruin BYU's chance for a special season. They blew their opportunity to have at least one game on the schedule they had a chance to feel good about.

    As for the game being a guaranteed loss, Kyle does seem to have Bronco's number. But I think the unintended consequence of his dominating the rivalry has been at the expense of conference games.

    A new head coach will change that culture but shifting the focus off of BYU and onto conference games will come at the expense of the "absolutely HAVE to win or else" attitude advantage Utah possesses in the BYU game every year. The game will cease to be a guarantee after Kyle is gone.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 5:29 p.m.

    Can BYU have a special season? It's certainly set up to be. BYU has resolved depth and talent issues & added elite speed across the board. BYU also has an experienced QB with elite NFL athleticism who has made major leaps in his passing skills.

    The reason I don't think they will is because with all of these changes, improvements and upgrades there's one important area that we haven't heard if there's been any change or improvmeent and that's the philosophy of the coaching staff.

    It's still Bronco at HC who is slow to prepare his teams and has started 5 of his 9 seasons going 1-2 (very easily could've been 7 of 9).

    It's still Bronco who has a bad habit of punting from his opponents 30 yd line.

    It's still Bronco who has a bad habit of letting up in games, losing the momentum and taking his foot off the gas in the 3rd quarter.

    It's still Bronco who eases up on his team and cancels practices so the team can go to the waterpark and play instead of using that time to prepare for a big game.

    That hasn't changed.

  • taylormade1 Springville, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 5:39 p.m.

    Alpiner, Which byu-utah games have you been watching lately ? In the last 5 years there was 1 lopsided win. The other 4 years , 23-21 byu , 17-16 utah , 24-21 utah , 20-13 utah . Yes, of course the U has had the upper hand but saying lbeat downs . I think not !

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 5:40 p.m.

    Cheering for BYU, I sometimes have to stop and think which sport we are talking about after reading the title like that above. Just stop and think about how special the many sports teams we have. I am sure glad that we do not go to OSU ( One Sport U). To have to look forward to just one sport each and every year would be depressing. Volleyball, Football, Basketball, Rugby, etc, etc, etc and to have all of them being talked about Nationally is just wonderful.

    It is a wonderful life and time to be a Cougar fan. So many sports to be Nationally ranked in along with so many individual accolades to look to.

    Go Cougars !

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 5:42 p.m.

    @John in SLC
    No division titles or conference titles to shoot for

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    The only reason teams care about winning a division title or conference title isn't for the title itself, rather it's the opportunity that is tied to it, an upper tier bowl game. utah was eliminated from a division title very early in their conference schedule after losing to UCLA etc. With certain losses like ASU, USC, Oregon, AZ etc still on the schedule (and an improved Wash St) most experts were writing off even a bowl game for Utah

    For BYU their conference title is going undefeated or being a one loss team to a very good opponent early in the season and having quality opponents on the schedule like Boise St, Notre Dame, Wisconsin etc gives fans a lot to get up for throughout the season.

    Even though BYU only went 8-5 last year there was tons of fan interest in those games late into the season and then also gearing up for a bowl game and a quality opponent in that game.

    I highly doubt there's any fan interest for ute fans gearing up for their annual Couch Potato Bowl.

  • RealisticOpinion Clearfield, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 6:01 p.m.

    I read these comments and they are all ridiculous. Let's be honest for a minute. I am a BYU fan. If BYU doesn't win at least 10 games this season is a major disappointment. Now with that said BYU has no chance whatsoever of going to the new playoff system nor winning a national championship. Utah on the other hand will be lucky to go to a bowl game. They do not have the talent at the skill positions to compete in the Pac12. BYU would probably be no better than Utah in the Pac12. Neither BYU or Utah are very good when compared to the top talent in the country. This year I would give the Cougs a leg up on the Utes solely because Taysom and Jamall will win games and BYU has an easier schedule. Either way BYU fans let's be realistic and Utah fans being in the Pac12 only goes so far. You have to win some games for that to be relevant. Start winning some games and be relevant then we can talk, but until then you are no more relevant than BYU.

  • taylormade1 Springville, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 6:10 p.m.

    Come on U trolls, let just stop the SOS talk now . I do realize that this is all you are going to be able to hang your hat on at seasons end but it really means absolutely nothing ! Here's the Y,s company at 97. Oklahoma @ 93 and Alabama @ 95. These teams ranked 2 and 3 in the national preseason polls ! Florida st. Won a national championship with a 65 preseason SOS . No trophy,s or bowl games are given out for the toughest SOS . The simple equation is just WIN games or sit home!

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 6:11 p.m.

    BYU has the best chance of being a 10 win ranked team at seasons end than they have had in quite some time. If they somehow manage to win all their games it would be even better.

    As for the schedule, this is a top-notch schedule much better than what the Cougars had prior to independence. They have five highly meaningful opponents/games and seven bowl teams on the docket. In the past they were lucky to have two or three. Houston, Texas, Boise State, UCF, USU are all going to be great. MTS should be once again near the top of their conference. Nevada and UNLV are likely flip-flopping on who will be bowl eligible.

    The bad games are Cal, VA and UConn. However I am excited to see all three. I expect they will improve in the win column by a win or two.

  • RealisticOpinion Clearfield, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 6:17 p.m.

    Let's be honest for a minute. I am a BYU fan. I never post on articles, but I cannot take it anymore. BYU has a cakewalk schedule this year. If they don't go at least 10-2 it is a disappointing season. They have no chance to win a national championship or to even make it to the playoffs. Utah on the other hand does not have the talent at the skill positions to compete in the Pac12. They might one day, but the certainly do not yet. BYU would probably do not better in the Pac12 and I am willing to admit that. However, Utah fans always talk about how irrelevant BYU is. Well let's be realistic Utah fans. Utah is not relevant. Until they can win some games in the Pac12 they are not relevant either. Do you really suppose that Oregon or USC views Utah as any stronger of an opponent than BYU? If you do you are delusional. Now this year I would give BYU a slight leg up on Utah because Taysom and Jamall will win games for BYU, but we won't get to find out.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 6:18 p.m.

    BigCougar "It worked out well last year for Holmoe. BYU finished with the #38 SOS".
    And yet, #38 SOS didn't earn P5 recognition for BYU. Why not?

    Because SOS can't be predicted. It depends on your opponents being good that year. One year, BYU would be considered "major" because of SOS, and the next year they would be "mid-major" because of SOS.

    The conferences want something consistent. They declared that members must play 9 games against other P5 schools. They can't risk scheduling BYU as a P5 only to later find out that BYU's SOS wasn't so great that year.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 6:58 p.m.

    @ dww722

    "TCU was good but not great."

    TCU finished in the top 10. If that's not great, I'm not sure what is

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 7:02 p.m.

    @ yabuts

    "The hype is refreshing"

    Really? This happens every single year. BYU wins the pre-season national championship, and then they get crushed in September.

    It's a tradition....

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 7:21 p.m.

    @ BigCougar

    "The only crappy teams (non-bowl teams) on the schedule were Utah, Idaho St, Virginia and Nevada,"

    How did BYU do against those crappy teams?

    I also get a chuckle from BYU fans who think that Utah prepares for the BYU game, at the expense of preparing for conf. games. I can assure you that is not the case. I understand that many BYU fans are desperately trying to explain why Utah has been so dominant in the rivalry lately. The simple answer is that Utah has been the better team.

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 7:59 p.m.

    Could be a great year. As to strength of schedule, is this year tougher than 1984 or the Cotton Bowl team? Those were "special years."

    This year is more difficult than those.

    Pittsburgh and Baylor, then Tulsa, and the WAC with Hawaii, SDSU, UNM, UTEP, WYO, Utah, AFA, CSU, and Utah State... that was a weaker schedule but look at the impact -- amazing.

  • Dnquixote Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 1, 2014 8:40 p.m.

    If a special season is 10 wins vs one of the weakest schedules in the country... then yes.
    The real question is how long Bronco can go before he talks about a NC, going undefeated, or being among the NCAAs elite. You know it's coming.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Aug. 2, 2014 2:44 p.m.

    2fer

    "I also get a chuckle from BYU fans who think that Utah prepares for the BYU game, at the expense of preparing for conf. games. "

    I get a chuckle out of Utah fans who live in denial that Ute nation is totally obsessed with beating BYU.

    As is abundantly evident from how often Utah fans cite Utah's record versus BYU, the Utes would rather beat BYU, than go to a bowl.

    If Oklahoma @ 93 and Alabama @ 95, are capable of having a special season with their schedule, there's no reason BYU @ 97 couldn't have a special season as well.

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    btw, despite the erroneous claims by the kids on the hill, Utah hasn't been "dominant" in the series lately. 14 of the last 17 games (2004, 2008 and 2011 were outliers) were decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes or in overtime, including 3 of the 4 games during Utah's current mini winning streak. The fact that Utah has only won a slight majority of those close games, 8 of 14, proves that the series has been extremely competitive. Average score in those close games, BYU 20.1, Utah 21.0.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    Aug. 2, 2014 3:40 p.m.

    @ Scores

    "For BYU to have a special season they have to win every game. If they do, they will be in a New Year's bowl game"

    That's actually incorrect! It doesn't work that way. BYU as an independent must make contracts with bowl games in order for them to go to the post season. BYU does NOT have any contracts with any of the New Year's 6 bowls. That means if BYU were to be highly ranked, they will still be going to their mediocre bowl game. Notre Dame on the other hand has an agreement with the Orange Bowl. I'm sorry, but BYU is NOT Notre Dame and never will be. The best BYU will ever do is their mediocre bowl games with the AAC.

    Although the MWC and the other group of mid major conferences have an agreement with the Fiesta Bowl. The agreement is the highest ranked conference champion will get the automatic bid. BYU does not qualify because they are not in a conference. They need to make arrangements themselves. If BYU wants to play in January they need to swallow their pride and get back in a conference.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 2, 2014 6:41 p.m.

    Bleed Crimson

    Instead of just spouting off, I'd suggest you go back and do a little research about the conditions under which BYU could be invited to the playoffs or a major bowl.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 9:04 a.m.

    Duckhunter,

    It's called one step at a time. Every motivational speaker in the world will tell you it's best to set intermediate goals on the way to your ultimate goal. So the first goal the Ute's must have is to win the Division, because that's how we get the opportunity to win the conference.

    Maybe what you are really saying is 'I'm a frustrated BYU fan who is stuck cheering for a team with no intermediate goals, since the national title is the only thing my team has to shoot for.'

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 9:14 a.m.

    Big Cougar,

    LOL. You talk like Coach Whitt has sacrificed preparing for conference games in order to focus on BYU which indicates you somehow believe BYU is at the same level or better than our conference opponents. Well here's a news flash for you. The dominance started under Coach Mac, continued with Coach Meyer, and is still there under Coach Whitt and was there long before the Pac 12. You are having a hard time accepting that Utah left BYU behind in level of play and that the Ute's struggles in the Pac 12 are a clear sign of how hard it will be for BYU to make it in a similar situation.

  • Pendergast Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 4:42 p.m.

    What exactly is meant by special? Its one of the cultural buzzwords here in Zion that confuse me.

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    Aug. 3, 2014 5:18 p.m.

    souptwins
    Lindon, UT
    I really wish the local news media would stop over-hyping the BYU season

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    Tell that to Jeff Call, Lafe Peavler and the rest of the DNews' army of kool-aid drinkers... who are such homers that just about nothing they write ever smacks of even the smallest objectivity.

    LOL

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Aug. 4, 2014 7:59 a.m.

    @woanellie...."Ted, the problem with your suggestion is that there are never two top teams in the nation playing in RES on the same day. Let us know when that happens but you might want to have one of your grand kids carry out that request because anyone alive today will not be alive when and if that were to ever happen."

    Kind of like there will never even be one great team playing at LES in our liftime lets us know if it happens but you're probably going to have to have your great great great grandchild carry that request out.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Aug. 4, 2014 8:03 a.m.

    @big cougie...."As for BYU faring better in the Pac12, Bronco is 9-6 vs the Pac12 (excluding Utah) and Kyle is 13-21 and vs common teams Bronco has gone 9-6 and Kyle 10-14."

    Now this is probably the most hillarious comment I've ever seen a cougie put down....Trying to compare Y to the U yet to make a point you exclude games the Y played Utah because they have lost so many...lol!

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Aug. 4, 2014 8:16 a.m.

    @bigcougie...."A new head coach will change that culture but shifting the focus off of BYU and onto conference games will come at the expense of the "absolutely HAVE to win or else" attitude advantage Utah possesses in the BYU game every year. The game will cease to be a guarantee after Kyle is gone."

    Yes it was Utah that had players foregoing the NFL draft possible top 10 pick because they want to come back to play their quote un-quote "superbowl". It was also Utah's coach that said last pre-season that the Utah BYU game was the most important game on the schedule and it wasn't close.

    Oh wait it was Kyle Vanoy, Cody Hoffman and Donco Mendenhall that said that....LOL!! I love how cougie fans love to grasp at straws to try and explain why utah dominates the cougies though

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 4, 2014 9:20 a.m.

    Big Cougar,

    If BYU does get into a Big 5 conference, hopefully you will realize that a decent win loss record over many years of playing occasional Big 5 opponents doesn't translate into success in playing them every week. I don't see BYU will faring any better than Utah and TCU. For me, the sooner BYU gets into a Big 5 conference the better. Nothing like a dose of reality to wake up the fans.

  • idaho cougar fan Twin Falls, ID
    Aug. 4, 2014 4:56 p.m.

    Both teams have gotten what they signed up for 3 years ago. Utah now can call themselves a P5 conference member and get it handed to them every year. BYU gets to make their own schedule, have crappy home games in November and go to a bowl game which gives the church more exposure. It is a win-win for both teams. That is what is important to Ute fans (look at comments about P5 status and SOS.)I don't see many Ute fans wanting more than that. BYU fans are unrealistic, but at least we aim high!! Good luck as cellar dwellers Utah. I hope that you continue to enjoy that P5 status and SOS.

    PS. I'm sure Kyle will find a job after this season. A good coach who was put into a bad situation.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2014 5:10 p.m.

    @ deductive reasoning

    Utah fans bring up their record against BYU, because almost every interaction they have on these boards in regards to football is with BYU fans. If CSU fans were here acting the way BYU fans do, than Ute fans would respond by citing Utah's record against the Rams. It's not hard to understand.

    Conf. games > The Holy War. I don't think you will find many (if any) Ute fans who disagree with that.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 4, 2014 8:11 p.m.

    @MormonUte
    "If BYU does get into a Big 5 conference, hopefully you will realize that a decent win loss record over many years of playing occasional Big 5 opponents doesn't translate into success in playing them every week. I don't see BYU will faring any better than Utah and TCU. For me, the sooner BYU gets into a Big 5 conference the better. Nothing like a dose of reality to wake up the fans."

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    Lol! That's awesome coming from a ute fan! Nice. That's what BYU fans were posting to ute fans just prior to the 2011 season when ute fans were talking about taking the Pac12 by storm, dominating the weak (at the time) South Division and playing for the CCG and getting into the Rose Bowl in year 1. (we also posted that well into the 2012 season as ute fans continued believing they'd bounce back and dominate the South Division and enjoy Rose Bowl glory).

    I almost snorted milk out of my nostrils when I read your post. It made me guffaw!

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 4, 2014 8:27 p.m.

    @SoonerUte
    Because SOS can't be predicted. It depends on your opponents being good that year...The conferences want something consistent. They declared that members must play 9 games against other P5 schools. They can't risk scheduling BYU as a P5 only to later find out that BYU's SOS wasn't so great that year.

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    And I have no problem with that, same as most Cougar fans. The point I'm making is that ute fans act like they've been playing top 10 SOS's for years when it's been one lone single solitary season and their previous seasons in the Pac12 they had SOS's up in the 40's, higher than BYU's SOS last year.

    The flaw is not all p5 schools have great SOS's. Last year most of the ACC, B1G and Big12 finished well behind BYU's SOS and even several SEC schools like Alabama. Schedules are put together years out and you have no control over how teams end up when you finally play them. It's always a crap shoot. The Pac12 wasn't this good 3 yrs ago.

    FYI......They don't give out trophies for SOS Championships.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 4, 2014 8:43 p.m.

    @SoonerUte
    "The conferences want something consistent. They declared that members must play 9 games against other P5 schools. They can't risk scheduling BYU as a P5 only to later find out that BYU's SOS wasn't so great that year."

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    SOS's in p5 conferences can't be predicted either. It varies a lot from year to year and team to team.

    The original intent was to prevent teams from scheduling a bunch of cupcakes like FCS schools with their non-conference schedules.

    Any team you schedule runs you the risk of having a lousy SOS the year you play them. The SOS avg for the ACC and B1G were just a few points higher than the avg SOS for the MWC and the American Athletic Conf last season and yet the ACC and B1g were p5 conferences.

    Utah's first 2 yrs in the Pac12 they had a SOS up into the mid 40's which is above average. It's only been one year that they've had an SOS like last year which was in the top 10 yet they act like it's every year and then whine about it and make excuses for getting pounded.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 4, 2014 10:12 p.m.

    @MormonUte
    You talk like Coach Whitt has sacrificed preparing for conference games in order to focus on BYU which indicates you somehow believe BYU is at the same level or better than our conference opponents.

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    Proof is in the pudding Mo. As for BYU being better than your conference opponents I wouldn't go that far, they're better than some and not as good as the upper echelon teams. Bronco has gone 9-6 against the rest of your conference opponents as HC. Kyle has gone 13-21.

    And if you're going to try that old ute line that utah doesn't get any breaks in their schedule and so its' not the same, it's pretty hypocritical to say that now but diss that back when BYU fans pointed that out when Utah fans were proclaiming immediate Pac12 domination when they joined their new conference because they had selectively performed well against a few Pac12 schools while in the MWC.

    You can't have it both ways. Unless you're a hypocrite.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 5, 2014 1:54 p.m.

    Rufus T. Firefly

    It's laughable that Utah fans have to define every comparison so that it places Utah in exactly the best light.

    Why not compare records versus the PAC 12 during the entire Bronco/Kyle era?

    Bronco 9-9
    Kyle 13-21

    Or why not compare records versus P5s for 2013?

    BYU 2-5
    Utah 2-7

    Or how about AP Top 25 finishes?

    Bronco 4
    Kyle 2

    Or 11+ win seasons?

    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    Bottom line for Utah fans is Kyle is 9-18 versus the PAC 12 since the Utes joined the conference, well below .500, and not even close to living up to the bold prediction of Utah fans after 2008 that the Utes could compete with anybody.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 6, 2014 9:39 a.m.

    Big Cougar,

    Just because some of my fellow Ute fans were unrealistic back when we started in the Pac 12 doesn't make me a hypocrite. I wasn't one of those believing we would immediately contend for the conference title. I did hope for a better result than we have seen and that is my point with you. You are trying to claim that playing an occasional Pac 12 team somehow equates to having success against them week in and week out. It isn't the same and both Utah and TCU have discovered that. I'm asking for it both ways. I'm using my experience as a Ute fan to warn you and other BYU fans about the pitfalls of making the leap into a Big 5 conference.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 6, 2014 12:58 p.m.

    @MormonUte

    You are trying to claim that playing an occasional Pac 12 team somehow equates to having success against them week in and week out. It isn't the same and both Utah and TCU have discovered that. I'm asking for it both ways.

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    That's very fair and in reality I don't think playing a p5 school occasionally is the same as playing a conference schedule full of them. I bring it up to remind many Ute fans (not you) of what they said and thought going into the Pac12 and have conveniently seem to have forgotten now.

    I think BYU would struggle in similar fashion like TCU and Utah with not having the requisite depth of talent and need time to build that up.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 6, 2014 1:14 p.m.

    @Rufus T Midgefly

    Utah vs. BYU in the "Kyle/Bronco" era has Utah defeating BYU 4 out of 4, and 9 out of 12. And good luck with this season being ranked 97th in college football in terms of strength of schedule...You bring up the Utes' 2008 season....how about the constant reference to 1984's supposed "National Championship" that you guys hang on to?

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    Typical ute fan, don't let accuracy or facts get in the way of your need to attack BYU. That's a reliable way to sniff out which fans are really Ute fans and which are just bandwagon ute fans and actually BYU haters in disguise.

    Bronco and Kyle haven't been Head Coaches 12 yrs so their head to head record vs each other couldn't be 9 of 12 in Kyle's favor. It's 6-3 in Kyle's favor.

    As for whining about BYU's National Championship....while you're at it whine about their Heisman Trophy (also 7 other top 5 finishes), their Doak Walker award, their 2 Outland trophies, their 4 Davey O'Brien awards (most of any other school) and 7 Sammy Baugh awards, 13 consensus 1st team All-Americans, 51 All-Americans, etc, etc....