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  • Cougar_Trojan_Spurs_Fan San Diego, CA
    July 31, 2014 4:17 p.m.

    Ute fans - I'm surprised by this. Seeing how you are in the mighty PAC-12, you should have demanded a 2-for-1, with game 1 of the series slated for RES in 2017, but instead, you travel to their place first? Haven't you criticized BYU in the past for making similar arrangements?

    Pot meet kettle.

  • PAC 10.2 Doormat Springville, UT
    July 31, 2014 4:24 p.m.

    After reading some 70+ comments, most of which were from faithful Ute "fans" trying to 'disassociate' themselves from BYU, I'm sure this news is welcomed and appreciated.

    With #3 bowl-less season looming ahead this is a great news!

    Go Utes!

  • hamrdown OREM, UT
    July 31, 2014 4:30 p.m.

    Oh, I can't wait to see the comments on this from both the red and blue fans. This is going to be fun.

  • Respect the 12(Pac) Salt Lake, UT
    July 31, 2014 4:40 p.m.

    Is it true we have 3 mid majors scheduled for out of conference that year? byu, Northern Illinois, and Weber.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2014 4:47 p.m.

    Way to go utes. This will certainly impress the voters. I can't wait for the spin from CB and Ekute and the rest of the utsies.

  • The Anti Chris Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2014 4:54 p.m.

    Please refer to Chris B's comments when it was announced that BYU will play Northern Ill.

    BYU fans:

    "Why don't you guys just schedule home and homes with 8-9 power conference teams every year?

    You want to be considered a big boy right?

    100% of the big boys schedule 8-9 games against power conference teams.

    Why doesn't byU?
    Chris B

    So Chris. Ready to eat some crow? I guess you consider yourself outside of the big boy crowd? LOL

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    July 31, 2014 4:59 p.m.

    Cougar_Trojan_Spurs_Fan:

    "you should have demanded a 2-for-1"

    We have that already with the mid-major from down south - 2016 & 2018 at RES, 2017 at LES.

    Go Utes!!

  • Kaladin Northern, CO
    July 31, 2014 5:02 p.m.

    Apparently talking about the fact that Ute fans ridiculed BYU days ago for scheduling 1-1 with NIU is censorable. Let's see if this gets through. I just have to chuckle about this one. NIU has been a great team of late.

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2014 5:44 p.m.

    VegasUte

    "We have that already [a 2-1 with BYU]"

    Gotta laugh at your desperate attempt to "manufacture" a 2-1 with BYU.

    Let's see:

    2001 at BYU
    2002 at Utah
    2003 at BYU
    2004 at Utah
    2005 at BYU
    2006 at Utah
    2007 at BYU
    2008 at Utah
    2009 at BYU
    2010 at Utah
    2011 at BYU
    2012 at Utah
    2013 at BYU
    2016 at Utah
    2017 at BYU
    2018 at Utah

    By your delusional method of calculating, BYU demanded a 2-1 from Utah when the Utes joined the PAC.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    July 31, 2014 6:13 p.m.

    Hilarious.

    NIU is a great pick-up for the Utes. Its just funny that BYU had the same announcement.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2014 6:19 p.m.

    Northern Illinois is a more worthy opponent than BYU or Weber. Those two are way too easy to beat.

  • Jefe-Ute Richmond, VA
    July 31, 2014 6:21 p.m.

    Here is one Ute fan that will not try to rationalize or give excuses for this. When I saw the news I was shocked and pretty upset. I understand it will be good from a recruiting stand point to reach out to other parts of the nation, but I was laughing to myself that the best BYU could do was schedule NIU and ISU. Now Utah? I would rather schedule teams in the bottom half of the SEC, Big 10 or Big 12 than NIU.

  • Taysom4Heisman Heber City, UT
    July 31, 2014 6:29 p.m.

    Wait, Chris B, I thought Pac 12 teams are too good for a team like NIU. And if they do happen to schedule them, I thought they were supposed to demand a 2-for-1. And if it turned out to be a home and home, I thought the first game was supposed to be at the bigger school. Please clear this up for me because everything you have said about scheduling appears to be wrong.

    Chris B on BYU scheduling NIU:

    "We'd rather disassociate ourselves from you (BYU) as you are a mid major and we've moved onto bigger and better things."

    Funny how right after he says that utah schedules a mid-major. Looks like you haven't moved on to bigger and better things.

    Brave Sir Robin on BYU scheduling NIU:

    "NIU is a great example of how scheduling down is a great way to artificially inflate your ranking."

    Well, Brave Sir Robin, looks like the utes are guilty of scheduling down to artificially inflate their ranking as well. Don't even try to argue against that, as those are your very own words shooting down the utes.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2014 6:33 p.m.

    2018 - 2019 Chris Hill: 3 mid-majors 9 P5 opponents

    2018 - 2019 Tom Holmoe: 10 mid-majors 2 P5 opponents

    Yep, sounds about right.

    I don't understand why P5 continue to schedule mid-major teams. There's no benefit whatsoever. I like the model put forward by Nick Saban...P5 programs schedule 12 P5 teams. End of discussion. P5 programs need their own division. Cut the chord and get it done.

    Go P5s!!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2014 6:57 p.m.

    anti,

    What are you talking about?

    We DO have 9 games against the big boys that year!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 31, 2014 7:13 p.m.

    Cougar_Trojan_Spurs_Fan:

    "...you should have demanded a 2-for-1,...Haven't you criticized BYU in the past for making similar arrangements?"

    We have. But NIU isn't a 2-for-1.

    It's interesting reading the comments on these threads about the scheduling of NIU. Cougar fans were excited to find them on THEIR future schedules. Ute fans...not so much. I'd say that's a pretty telling phenomenon as to how each team feels about scheduling MAC teams.

    The Anti Chris:

    Why would Chris B have to eat any crow? With Weber St, NIU, and our southern little brother on our 2018 schedule, that leaves Utah with a minimum of 9 games scheduled vs. Power 5 teams. There's also a minimum of 9 on our 2019 season as well. So what was your point?

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 31, 2014 7:31 p.m.

    Padding that schedule I see.

    Frantic and emotional back-pedaling too!

    Priceless

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    July 31, 2014 7:31 p.m.

    MyPerspective

    The real test is how many P5 teams has Utah actually "scheduled," not counting teams that the conference schedules for you.

    There's nothing noteworthy about others doing the hard work for you; just as there's nothing noteworthy about clinging to the coat tails of P5 programs that have actually accomplished something.

    Slap another PAC 12 sticker on something if it helps you feel special about yourself.

  • TanMan_101 West Jordan, UT
    July 31, 2014 7:50 p.m.

    There's a big difference from playing teams like this or worse twice a season than playing them 11 or 12 times a season

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    July 31, 2014 8:07 p.m.

    Can't understand why Utah went for a home-and-home with NIU.

    Not sure if we have the scheduling power we thought. That or we have a weak negotiator.

  • Utah Alum Orem, UT
    July 31, 2014 9:18 p.m.

    So the Utes are playing Southern Utah, North Dakota, and Weber State instead of playing Utah State?

    Sorry Dr. Hill, but there's no defending the arrogance and cowardice of that decision.

  • Chamberlain Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2014 9:36 p.m.

    "Not sure if we have the scheduling power we thought."

    We don't.

    Michigan was an aberration.

    Utah State won't even schedule us anymore unless it's a home and home.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 31, 2014 9:41 p.m.

    @tomahawk red

    What would have made you think utah had any scheduling power at all? The crackerbox stadium assuring low payouts for visitors? The guaranty of being on the little seen pac12 network in the worst possible time slot? The "honor" of playing one of the worst teams in the pac12?

    lol

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 31, 2014 10:18 p.m.

    This leaves one game left to schedule in 2019. I hope it is with a team from the Texas, Florida, or Louisiana states.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    July 31, 2014 10:39 p.m.

    Why would Utah ever play BYU or USU again?

    When Utah wins head-to-head against BYU and USU, they still claim to be better (even if they lost to Utah by 44)

  • Riley Mendenhall Provo, UT
    July 31, 2014 10:43 p.m.

    Re:

    Let's see: No playoff for U

    2001 at BYU
    2002 at Utah
    2003 at BYU
    2004 at Utah
    2005 at BYU
    2006 at Utah
    2007 at BYU
    2008 at Utah
    2009 at BYU
    2010 at Utah
    2011 at BYU
    2012 at Utah
    2013 at BYU
    2016 at Utah
    2017 at BYU
    2018 at Utah

    It doesn't matter where it is played:

    Year Winner
    2001 BYU
    2002 Utah
    2003 Utah
    2004 Utah
    2005 Utah
    2006 BYU
    2007 BYU
    2008 Utah
    2009 BYU
    2010 Utah
    2011 Utah
    2012 Utah
    2013 Utah
    2016 Utah
    2017 Utah
    2018 Utah

  • Chamberlain Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2014 10:47 p.m.

    "I hope it is with a team from the Texas, Florida, or Louisiana states."

    If it is, it'll be a team like Prairie View A&M, Jacksonville, or Southeastern Louisiana.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2014 10:49 p.m.

    I don't like this. Playing USU would be more interesting. NIU does nothing for Utah.

    File this in Dr. Hill's 'mistake' folder.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 31, 2014 11:27 p.m.

    SMU/Rice/Houston makes more sense than adding NIU as far as recruiting goes. I don't think we have a player on the roster from Illinois.

    Lets hop the 2019 spot is held for BYU, for a chance at EIGHT-PEAT.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 31, 2014 11:32 p.m.

    @sammyg
    Springville, UT

    Padding that schedule I see.

    ---------

    I don't think you want to compare BYU's BCS Resume to NIU.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 31, 2014 11:39 p.m.

    @Y's little brother

    The real test is how many P5 teams has Utah actually "scheduled," not counting teams that the conference schedules for you.

    -----------

    So you agree that BYU, scheduled 2016-19, is not a P5 team? Has reality finally sunk in down south?

    FYI: Oregon 2012: Arkansas State, Fresno, and Tennessee Tech

  • JSwaggDaddy Heber City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 12:06 a.m.

    @TanMan_101

    "There's a big difference from playing teams like this or worse twice a season than playing them 11 or 12 times a season"

    That is a very exaggerated comment. utah doesn't play NIU caliber teams only twice a season. This year, Idaho State, Fresno State, Colorado, Washington State, and maybe even Arizona are at or below Northern Illinois.

    As for BYU, saying we play a team worse than NIU 11 or 12 times a season suggests that they would be the biggest game of the season for us. That is far from the truth.

    We scheduled them in 2018 and 2020. Let's look at who BYU is playing so far.

    2018- Arizona, Wisconsin, Utah State, Boise State, NIU, Hawaii, utah
    2020- Arizona, Arizona State, Boise State, NIU, Stanford, Virginia

    I know that by 2018 some of these teams will be better and some will be worse. But going off of where these programs are at right now, NIU is better than Hawaii, Virginia, utah, and maybe Arizona. That's it. They are one of the worst opponents so far in our 2018 and 2020 schedules, not one of the best.

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 1:00 a.m.

    I find it absolutely hilarious to see Utah fans try to explain why it's their "choice" to play NIU but it's "desperate" for BYU even though it's the exact same team starting the exact same year. NIU has been a very respectable team lately, even playing in a BCS bowl & having a Heisman finalist. Thought there would have been a lesson learned with dissing on having ISU on the schedule. Gotta love Karma!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2014 7:41 a.m.

    Utah could end up playing 3 top 10 teams this year.

    Oregon #4
    @UCLA #7
    @Stanford #11
    USC #15
    @ASU #18

    And BYU fans wonder why we're padding our future schedules with NIU.

  • Stockton Lansing, MI
    Aug. 1, 2014 8:27 a.m.

    Speaking of upcoming out of conference schedules here is what the athletic director of michigan had to say about a drop in next years student season ticket sales when Utah goes to visit.

    "Our home schedule, we don't have any of our big rivalry games (this year), that could have an impact. Coming off a 7-6 season, that could have an impact.

    "Next year, we've got BYU coming and Ohio (State) coming back, Michigan State's finally coming back to Michigan Stadium. I think you have to look at these things a little bit longer than a one-year situation."

    Then quotes from the reporter about next years schedule

    As of now, one student season ticket to all seven 2014 home games comes with a $295 price tag. Those games feature the following opponents: Appalachian State, Miami (Ohio), Utah, Minnesota, Penn State, Indiana and Maryland.

    Despite that weak slate, the student price is, by a decent margin, the highest of any football program in the Big Ten at the moment.

    It looks like Utah is not that attractive of an opponent.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 8:51 a.m.

    Of course we're filling up our schedule without Utah State.

    We're also filling it up without Wyoming and Tennessee Community college.

    So? Those are all mid majors that ya once every few years if we want to play them, we'll play them

    We've beaten them 15 out of the last 16 times we've played.

    They're nothing more than a little brother who is jealous of how high the utes have gotten the past decade and jealous of the future of our program.

    Ya, they want to play Utah every year?

    Who cares? Not us!

  • ExecutorIoh West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 9:02 a.m.

    There is way too much hate between the two fan bases on this. It is ridiculous. Utah and BYU are on opposite sides of the world when it comes to filling out a game schedule. Trying to compare is like arguing which vegetable tastes better. If you take a step back and look at this argument here, it is laughably juvenile. Come on everybody, let's keep it civil.

  • utefever kaysville, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 9:14 a.m.

    @ Y's little Brother

    It is not a point of being able to "schedule" P5 teams, it is a point of how many P5 teams you play each year. Utah has 9 this year and shouldn't have scheduled any P5 teams outside the conference as it decreases the chance for a bowl game. Having Michigan on our schedule this year is crazy with the Pac 12 schedule that we have. I would have preferred UNLV, New Mexico, or BYU so we could assure ourselves of an additional win.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Aug. 1, 2014 9:28 a.m.

    The difference between Utah and BYU scheduling NIU:

    Utah did it to give their schedule a breather.
    BYU did it to give their schedule some "teeth".

    Oh and you're kidding yourself if you think this is a true 1-and-1...Utah is already talking about buying out the return game. It's a one-and-done "body bag" game.

  • Waylon77 Logan, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 9:34 a.m.

    As an Aggie fan I am extremely disappointed in this news. The USU v Utah football game is one of my favorites every year. I think that the Ute fans generally like the game as well. Even when its played in Logan there are always plenty of seats for Ute fans and the tickets are a little cheaper, its almost like getting an extra home game. I have really enjoyed going to watch my Aggies play in Rice Eccles as well, always have a good time there. Just wish they could make this work.

  • hamrdown OREM, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 9:36 a.m.

    @Brave Sir, you better check your statement. The first game is at NIU. So, if Utah is buying out the return game, are you saying they will go to NIU and play and then cancel the game in SLC?

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 9:48 a.m.

    Let's see Riley M.

    It doesn't matter the outcome of the head-to-head, Utah just isn't good enough to have truly successful seasons very often.

    AP Top 25

    Lifetime
    BYU 17
    Utah 5

    Bronco/Kyle era
    Bronco 4
    Kyle 2

    11+ win seasons

    Lifetime
    BYU 11
    Utah 2

    Bronco/Kyle era
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    Ranked/Conference Championship Seasons

    Lifetime
    BYU 14
    Utah 3

    Bronco/Kyle era
    Bronco 2
    Kyle 1

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 9:54 a.m.

    timid sparrow

    "Oh and you're kidding yourself if you think this is a true 1-and-1...Utah is already talking about buying out the return game."

    Since the "return game" is in RES, I guess what you're really saying is NIU scheduled a one and done money game with the Utes; not exactly something most fans would be beating their chests about.

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2014 10:00 a.m.

    Figures...
    I guess its the same reason that the utes bought out the USU game for 2014... SCARED.

    In the past they would always count it as a win... but not anymore...

    With 5 total win seasons, the utes don't want another likely loss to USU on their record.

    It doesn't do much for USU either... beating a pac11.u doormat doesn't help our ranking either.

    LOL

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 10:09 a.m.

    Waylon77

    The reason the Utah/Utah State rivalry is dying is because after what happened in Romney Stadium the last time they visited, the Utes are too scared to travel to Logan anymore.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2014 10:24 a.m.

    @JSwaggDaddy

    I know that by 2018 some of these teams will be better and some will be worse. But going off of where these programs are at right now, NIU is better than Hawaii, Virginia, utah, and maybe Arizona. That's it. They are one of the worst opponents so far in our 2018 and 2020 schedules, not one of the best.

    -------------

    NIU is better than Hawaii, Virginia, Utah, and maybe Arizona?

    Sagarin Rankings 2013:

    #24 Arizona
    #33 Utah
    #34 BYU
    #59 NIU
    #106 Virginia
    #127 Hawaii

  • 311ute Reno, NV
    Aug. 1, 2014 10:43 a.m.

    Everyone calm down. Although NIU is a bit of a disappointment, Dr. Hill has been very clear regarding his scheduling strategy. Every year outside of conference play, there are three games to be played, 2 at RES and 1 away. An "A" team, a "B" team, and a "C" team is preferred to fill those spots. This year and next year, the "A" opponent is Michigan instead of BYU. 2016 and beyond BYU will fill that A slot. Yes, I just called BYU an A team. With Utah State being super competitive the last few years, it's a lot to ask of the U to have two instate rivalry games and a 9 game conference schedule.

    This scheduling strategy is a luxury. Utah fans are guaranteed 7-8 homes games a year (conference play rotates 5-4, and 4-5 home vs away). Look at BYU, they had to work really hard just to put 6 home games on the schedule next year and the home schedule features Boise State. Awesome, have fun with that. Your home schedule next year is as weak as it gets.

    Regarding the U fans that gave BYU a hard time for scheduling NIU, time to eat some crow.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 10:54 a.m.

    All the naysayers need to stop whining. For the second year in a row we have nearly the toughest schedule in the nation. Mostly due to our conference schedule. With that fact in mind it makes perfect sense to avoid overloading the non-conference schedule and avoid too many intense rivalry games each year.

    Duckhunter,

    RES has been rated as one of the top venues in the Pac 12 ever since we joined and is also rated as one of the most difficult stadiums for visiting teams to play in. Several Ute games on the Pac 12 Network drew larger TV audiences that BYU games on ESPNU and BYUtv last season as reported by the Nielsen Ratings. Also, that aweful Pac 12 team trounced your Cougars on their home turf. So what do you have to crow about?

  • tinplater scottsdale, AZ
    Aug. 1, 2014 11:10 a.m.

    Utah will be well served to just manage to beat NIU twice.

  • redthunder Ogden, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 11:12 a.m.

    I am perfectly fine with this scheduling agreement with NIU. They're a decent mid major in a fertile recruiting location. I would rather see a matchup with Illinois or Northwestern, but like I said, NIU isn't bad. The Utes need to focus on also landing games in Texas and Florida even if its UTSA or FIU. Just get the team there for the recruits.

    Lately, I really enjoy the game against Utah State and am going to miss it. However, games against Utah State or BYU do the Utes no good; they need to be replaced with teams from states that are rich in recruits.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 1, 2014 11:21 a.m.

    Losing in the PAC 12, and to BYU is one thing, but to Utah State would be unbearable.

  • Clinton Ute Clinton , UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 11:22 a.m.

    @ExectorIoh

    Amen brotha! It's crazy how many posts some of these articles get. I have been a diehard Ute for over 30 years and love everything Utah, especially where the program is going but I can't believe how much time some people put into arguing on these posts. Especially when 110% of what is said is just how they see things way out on the outer edge of either side of the spectrum. You can always justify anything with the right outlook. Good luck to all the Utah programs this year!

    Back on topic though, it is sad to see that we won't have USU on the schedule for awhile I have always enjoyed going to those games in Logan and at RES so hopefully they can get things ironed out in the future.

    Can't wait for the season to start! Go UTES!

  • Uncle Rico Sandy, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 11:26 a.m.

    Too bad for Utah State, thats 3 easy wins they could have had against the doormat of the PAC 10.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 11:42 a.m.

    @mormon ute

    This has beena hard and bitter week for you. lol

    As for your assertions, so what? BYU played one game on BYUtv last year, idaho state, so I'm sure outside of BYU fans, and idaho st fans, it wasn't all that highly rated. Nor would it have been highly rated if it was utah playing idaho st (you'll see the truth of that in a couple of weeks). That doesn't change the fact that the pac12 network is little seen and little cared about and very few people watch games on it so it is a selling point to exactly no one to think they'll being playing a losing pac12 program like utah on the pac12 network.

    Also what does "difficult" have to do with my assertion that utah's stadium is a crackerbox with little financial incentive to play in? If it is truly "difficult" and the payout is peanuts then I'm correct, why bother playing there?

    The points stand, teams have no real incentive to play utah because it does so little for them. I'm sure you'll enjoy being the "return" in the NIU matchup. lol

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 1, 2014 12:00 p.m.

    Uteology

    "NIU is better than Hawaii, Virginia, Utah, and maybe Arizona?"

    Sagarin Rankings 2013:

    #24 Arizona
    #33 Utah
    #34 BYU
    #59 NIU
    #106 Virginia
    #127 Hawaii

    Nice try, that was 2013, this is 2014:

    Coaches Pre-Season 2014 Rankings

    #38 BYU
    #51(tied) Arizona, Northern Illinois
    unranked Utah, Virginia, Hawaii

  • still_thinking Draper, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 12:19 p.m.

    I don't get how this is about BYU and Utah. Almost every comment is to argue the superiority of BYU over Utah, or Utah over BYU. Stick to the point. Utah is not playing Utah State. That's what the article is about, and that's what I think stinks. I love the rivalry within football and that I think is the biggest crime of the BCS. Schools abandon 100 year old rivalries, that the fans love and look forward to, so they can be included in the national championship picture. Mack Brown made the same comment at Texas. It's sad to see tradition and fan desire abandoned to chase money. I'm not suggesting Utah should not have gone to the PAC 12, I'm just sad that all over the country the big rivalry games are getting lost because of the BCS.

  • RSL* Why, AZ
    Aug. 1, 2014 12:28 p.m.

    I think they should require UoU/BYU/USU schedule each other every year. It makes the season a lot more exciting and fun. If any fan really believes that any of these three teams will make it to the playoffs in the next 10-20 years needs to go get a head scan.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 12:34 p.m.

    @ scenic view

    Pre-season polls mean nothing. It is interesting to see NIU move up a little bit from where they finished last year. They lost Jordan Lynch, so it's anyone's guess what that program will do now.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 1, 2014 12:55 p.m.

    2fer

    "Pre-season polls mean nothing."

    They mean more than last season's rankings.

    While you're talking about Jordan Lynch's replacement, you should also be considering Utah's QB options, considering Travis Wilson could be lost for the season with the first hard hit he takes from a blitzing linebacker, and his likely replacement is an untested transfer who completed 4 of 13 passes last season.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 1, 2014 1:39 p.m.

    I'd rather see the Utes play USU than NIU. Neither opponent would aid in our recruiting efforts, but one of them is less than a 2-hr drive, whereas the other would be an expensive flight in an advanced time zone. Everything about USU > NIU. USU is in the better league: MWC > MAC. USU has the larger stadium: 25.5K to 24.0K. Utah-USU has more history than Utah-NIU: 109 games to 0.

    I "get" not wanting to play USU every year. We'd be better off looking at schools in traditionally fertile recruiting areas of CA, TX, FL, GA, and LA. However, I do NOT get looking past USU in favor of NIU. Poor choice Dr. Hill. Fresno St. and San Jose St. are fine, but let's also look at SDSU, Tx Tech, SMU, Houston, La Tech, Ga Tech, USF, or Miami. Las Vegas and island recruits have been good to us, so I wouldn't complain to find UNLV or Hawai'i on our schedules either. And why not Colorado St?

    Please do better next time.

  • Jeremy234 SLC, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 2:05 p.m.

    @Waylon77

    I agree, I always liked driving up to Logan and watching my Utes play, while watching the sunset over Cache Valley. Sometimes my buddy and I would get seats in the USU student section and make a big ruckus.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 3:01 p.m.

    Hmmm. Maybe Chris Hill knows that when the Big-12 expands in the next couple of years, they'll take NIU.

  • Hey Baby Franklin, IN
    Aug. 1, 2014 3:20 p.m.

    That's it for me. My alumni money will go to my sons school, Uof Washington until Dr Hill starts acting like a D1 AD...

    If he wants to do some D-2 or 1-AA stuff by all means apply to those schools. We need an AD that has more vision

    Disgusted

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 5:22 p.m.

    The solution is easy, drop BYU and schedule those awesome Aggies home and home. Throw USU a bone (they are family right?) considering both schools, by far, are each others oldest and longest running rival. Then there is a very simple task of two other games per year. BYU chose the independence path and their games (or lack thereof) are not a problem for the Utes.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 6:49 p.m.

    @ mussingaround

    No, both polls mean nothing. There hasn't been a down of football played this season, so nobody really knows how things will shake out.

    I wasn't talking about Utah, so I'm not sure why think I should be considering anything. I just thought it was interesting to see NIU move up in the polls after losing their best player. Typically that doesn't happen. Also this: "considering Travis Wilson could be lost for the season with the first hard hit he takes from a blitzing linebacker" is true for every single team in the country. Utah has no reason to be more worried than anybody else does.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2014 8:12 p.m.

    @scenic view

    Nice try, that was 2013, this is 2014:

    Coaches Pre-Season 2014 Rankings

    #38 BYU
    #51(tied) Arizona, Northern Illinois
    unranked Utah, Virginia, Hawaii

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    Northern Illionis has ONE more vote than Utah. BYU has 18 more votes. Both teams would lose to Utah.

    BYU might even get a win over Virgina this year. That is if it doesn't rain, otherwise I'll take Virgina.

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 9:01 p.m.

    Schedule USU for heaven's sake. The Aggies are a good team and they need a full stadium once in a while.

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 9:12 p.m.

    I wouldn't play Utah state either if I had a chance of losing to them.

  • Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
    Aug. 1, 2014 10:46 p.m.

    With only three open slots I can see how it would be difficult for Utah to schedule both Utah State and BYU every year. As Hill said too many emotional games do take a toll on the team as evidenced by the Ute's history of not playing very well in the game after playing BYU.

    Still, it would be nice to play both BYU and USU every year, go Utes!

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 2, 2014 2:59 a.m.

    Any schedule needs at least one tune up game. But NIU might still be formidable. Utah has no shame in scheduling this team as their schedule is brutal each year (one of the toughest schedules in the nation last year and this year coming up).

    As for the 'rivalry' squabble over lighter opponents, there is a difference having one or two smaller schools on your schedule in comparison to 8 out of 12. Yet we hear how the blue has a manageable lighter schedule that is solid nonetheless. That is an insult to those who know the landscape and make up of teams around the country. BYU's schedule is soft period. Houston might have some firepower but they are weak. Sure they started the season nice last year with their own soft schedule. And although they could have beaten BYU, if you watched that game, BYU outplayed them. Boise is the 'Old Grey Mare that ain't what she used to be' despite their record the last two years. Their schedule is as bad as that of BYU. USU is a tough game but it's in Provo. Texas is the one big boy, but their program is rebuilding.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Aug. 2, 2014 8:26 a.m.

    Uteology

    "Both teams would lose to Utah."

    You seriously think you're such a soothsayer that you could absolutely guarantee the results of two games 3 or 4 years in the future?

    The hubris of your statement is laughable.

    btw, 18 votes > no votes, regardless of how you spin it

    At least BYU is in the nationally ranked discussion to start the season.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Aug. 2, 2014 9:29 a.m.

    Kralon

    Without BYU and USU, the Utes don't have any "emotional" games on their schedule.

    No Utah fan can honestly say that Colorado is an "emotional" game, and while USC, UCLA, Oregon, Stanford, and the like may be difficult games, they're no more "emotional" than BYU playing USC, UCLA, Oregon, Stanford, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Nebraska or Michigan.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Aug. 2, 2014 9:36 a.m.

    gdog3finally

    The spin from the hill about the "difference" between BYU and Utah playing the exact same opponent is laughable, especially when the crimson glasses wearers are so dismissive of the difficulty of playing a completely different mixture of teams in completely different venues every season.

    At least the Utes are familiar with the the strengths and weaknesses of the majority of their opponents and are familiar with the venues and the normal routine of playing in those venues.

  • Me, Myself and I The Promised Land, UT
    Aug. 2, 2014 10:19 a.m.

    Utah State is a better team than NIU, N. Dakota, San Jose, S. Utah, Weber and Idaho State. If a game with USU couldn't be scheduled on any of the 9 dates Utah plays these teams it must be because USU's schedule couldn't fit it in either. Love how stories like this try to make it look like one side is at fault when both teams schedules have to have an opening the same week. Personally I wished Utah would play USU and BYU every year, I love watching these games. Even though in the grand scheme of things I understand conference games are more "important" I'd rather watch a Utah/BYU or a Utah/USU game than a Utah/Pac12 game in most cases.

  • eric2002x Miami, FL
    Aug. 2, 2014 3:43 p.m.

    I am rolling on the floor in laughter at Utah scheduling a 1-1 series with NIU!! The usual ute fans were posting away talking smack about BYU a few days ago...and then the big announcement from Utah is they do the same!! And run away from a surging Utah St program.... Can't believe it, running away from all the in-state rivals.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Aug. 2, 2014 3:50 p.m.

    The spin now, from fans of the "Doormat Ute Football Program" who are continually begging for relevance, is Absolutely Priceless!

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Aug. 2, 2014 7:50 p.m.

    I swear I read that the PAC was focusing on games with the Big Ten each year. What happened to that? This is a SEC coward schedule. I respect teams like LSU who usually schedule two good OOC teams, not these schedules.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 12:43 a.m.

    @ Striker

    You just mocked SEC scheduling in the same breath that you complimented an SEC on their scheduling.... Also, 6 of the top 7 SOS's last season belonged to teams in the PAC. Utah's schedule is more than adequate, even with NIU.

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    Aug. 3, 2014 3:22 p.m.

    Utah Alum
    Orem, UT
    So the Utes are playing Southern Utah, North Dakota, and Weber State instead of playing Utah State?

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    Those teams are NOT the same caliber as Utah State.

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    Aug. 3, 2014 3:32 p.m.

    Brave Sir Robin
    San Diego, CA

    Oh and you're kidding yourself if you think this is a true 1-and-1...Utah is already talking about buying out the return game. It's a one-and-done "body bag" game.

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    Sorry but not so.

    The first game is AT NIU. If it's gonna be a 1-0, NIU's gonna get the home game.

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    Aug. 3, 2014 3:40 p.m.

    mussingaround
    Palo Alto, CA
    2fer

    "Pre-season polls mean nothing."

    They mean more than last season's rankings.

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    No they don't.

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    Aug. 3, 2014 3:56 p.m.

    eric2002x
    Miami, FL
    I am rolling on the floor in laughter at Utah scheduling a 1-1 series with NIU!! The usual ute fans were posting away talking smack about BYU a few days ago...and then the big announcement from Utah is they do the same!!

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    Nope. Most Utah fans are well aware that this is a ridiculous scheduling agreement. Utah shouldn't even entertain the thought of a 1-1 with NIU, let alone enter negotiations and then sign the deal.

    We expect BYU to do things like this. For Utah to do it is ridiculous as it makes them look like BYU... a piddly mid major.

  • BigB Pleasantville, NJ
    Aug. 3, 2014 8:52 p.m.

    I like the NIU scheduling. A trip east is fine with me. Now schedule someone from the East Coast.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2014 12:16 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter

    Compared to NIU, Rice Eccles isn't "puny". Also, I'm willing to bet that neither program wanted a 2-1 agreement. I'm not sure how many conf. games they play in the MAC, but Utah only has three non-conf. games and doesn't want to get locked down playing a bunch of those games against only a couple different teams.

  • John S. Harvey Sandy, UT
    Aug. 4, 2014 1:40 p.m.

    It's really a piece of cake Chris, just alternate USU and BYU each year on a home and home basis. Problem solved, no biggie.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 4, 2014 1:45 p.m.

    Duckhunter,

    Quite the contrary, last week was a great week for me as a Ute fan. My season tickets arrived in the mail and I'm excited for the season to get started. As Ute games continue to draw better TV audiences than BYU games (which is where the real money comes from) I will be happy that my basic cable package gives me every game. You didn't address the BYU games last year that ESPN chose to relegate to ESPNU. How many BYU fans were caught off guard by that one and didn't realize until game time that ESPNU isn't in their basic package? Maybe that's why they had such a paltry audience. Of course that would only explain the first game. What about the other three? There were 4 games last year including Virginia, Georgia Tech and Houston that didn't even come close to the national audience BYU fans love to claim.

    As for the stadium, atmosphere is the key in college football and RES is highly rated for it's atmosphere.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 4, 2014 1:49 p.m.

    Duckhunter,

    You have no basis for your argument that the Utes have nothing to offer. How did we get a home and home with Michigan?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 4, 2014 3:50 p.m.

    @2fer

    It doesn't have anything to do with whether or not utah's stadium is "puny" in comparison to NIU's, it is that it is puny period. It does not generate enough revenue to guaranty a school like NIU a big enough payout to go there twice.

    Now you may very well be correct that neither school wanted a 2-1, that makes perfect sense to me, but the point is that utah is not a team with the clout, prestige, or budget, to make that deal with a team like NIU which is actually a pretty good team. In fact there probably aren't any teams utah could get a 2-1 with outside of the 1-aa teams and they aren't going to do a 2-1 with them it would just be a one and done at res.

    It is just the delusion of some of the utah "fans" on here that makes this fun, thinking utah somehow is in a position to make those kinds of demands on other teams when there is absolutely no basis for it. In fact I'd like to challenge them to show us just one 2-1 they have with any team at all?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 4, 2014 4:36 p.m.

    @mormon ute tomahawk red

    Please tell me then what it is about utah that is deserving of a 2-1 with anyone? What is it that makes them worth that to another school?

    There isn't anything, nothing at all. The other schools aren't going to give utah a 2-1 because of "atmosphere". They aren't going to give them one for the payout. They aren't going to give them one for the tv coverage, or really the lack thereof. They aren't going to give them a 2-1 just because of the pac12 stickers. There is simply no reason at all to give them one.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 4, 2014 9:55 p.m.

    @Duckhunter
    It doesn't have anything to do with whether or not utah's stadium is "puny" in comparison to NIU's, it is that it is puny period. It does not generate enough revenue to guaranty a school like NIU a big enough payout to go there twice.

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    Maybe they can up the ante if they throw in some free Pac12 stickers.

    @MormonUte
    "You have no basis for your argument that the Utes have nothing to offer. How did we get a home and home with Michigan?"

    - Isn't Utah in the middle of a 2 for 1 with Michigan? With this game in 2014 they will have played 2 straight road games at Ann Arbor before getting a return game next season.

    "How many BYU fans were caught off guard by that one and didn't realize until game time that ESPNU isn't in their basic package? "

    - I haven't met one yet that was. Also, All the ESPN channels are on my basic Cable package. So is BYUtv. You know what isn't? The Pac12 Network.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2014 10:42 p.m.

    @ BigCougar

    The contract signed with Michigan is a home-home deal. The game in 2008 was completely independent of the upcoming series.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Aug. 5, 2014 3:17 a.m.

    @uteology...

    It doesn't matter what the teams are ranked... Experience shows that you lose 2 out of 3 no matter what.... 9-18 in conference in 3 years... ouch,

    Tell us what was WSU ranked last year? Or Arizona? Let's look at 2011 (Utah's best big bad pac12 year... What was the might buffaloes of Colorado ranked? lol.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Aug. 5, 2014 3:23 a.m.

    @mormonute... Your comment simply isn't accurate... Please share with us which ute game drew a bigger TV audience on pac12 tv than a BYU game on ESPNU?

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Aug. 5, 2014 3:31 a.m.

    @mormonute...

    FYI... Contrary to your comment the big bad pac 12 attendance was down in 2013 compared 2012... Utah was down .3% and had better average attendance per game than only 2 other teams in the conference... Washington State and Colorado (who didn't even average 30,000 per game...

    BYU almost gets that many out for a scrimmage at LES.

    Oh, and BYU will have more in attendance this year at the Savanna State Game than Utah will have at the USC game...

  • dartstock1 Dayton, NV
    Aug. 5, 2014 5:49 a.m.

    Too bad the Wolf Pack isn't on the schedule this season. Maybe they'll meet in the league championship!

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Aug. 5, 2014 8:50 a.m.

    Let's be honest - it's one thing to get beat by N. Illinois, and it's entirely different to get beat by Utah State. If Utah gets beat by Utah State - that's devastating.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Aug. 5, 2014 10:39 a.m.

    In Utah's arrogance, they actually think that they have scheduled 3 patsies, just as every Southeast Conference team does every year...
    In reality, outside of Weber St. and Idaho St, they could easily be swept by all of them.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Aug. 5, 2014 10:45 a.m.

    @2fur

    you said...

    "The contract signed with Michigan is a home-home deal. The game in 2008 was completely independent of the upcoming series".

    Correct...Just as BYU has done with Wisconsin and Texas.

    Be consistent, now.

  • Hailstorm is a coming Riverdale, UT
    Aug. 5, 2014 2:06 p.m.

    Could the three schools play every other year ?
    Imagine perhaps a schedule that could last such as ,
    Alternating sights every other year.
    ( without fact For example only ).
    U.Of U. vs. Utah State in Logan, 2018
    BYU at U.of U 2019 in S.L.C 2019
    Utah State vs BYU in Provo 2020
    Great publicity and advertising build up round robin through out part of the decade to determine overall bucket list winner.
    Should be a University Sports Directories dream-- same for the schedulers of the TV broadcasts, and ,in my opinion , a substantial financial gain throughout three different Television affiliated stations. 3 X the exposure.
    The A.D.'s of the Universities now only have to schedule one game per year , home and away, every four years, one game every / two years /per school.Now you have most every sports fan the inter mountain west intrigue , because the outcomes are not decide in one season. As a result now the," Oquirrh Bucket " is played for higher stakes.
    As a result now the," Oquirrh Bucket " is played for higher stakes.
    ore suspense over the years and terrific publicity ,coupled with scheduling issues resolved for the three schools involved.

  • Hailstorm is a coming Riverdale, UT
    Aug. 5, 2014 9:36 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter
    Still on Tulsa Time ?

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 6, 2014 12:35 p.m.

    @65tosspowersweep

    If Utah gets beat by Utah State - that's devastating.

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    Nah, not really. Utah lost pretty handily to them 2 yrs ago and got dominated early last year and needed a torrid comeback effort late to eek out the narrow come-from-behind victory at home in cozy little Rice-Chex Stadium last year (good thing it wasn't on the road). Chuckie has owned the Utes and last year had nearly 400 yds total offense.

    Utah is very fortunate they didn't schedule USU this year, it would be another loss.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 6, 2014 12:42 p.m.

    Two For Flinching
    Salt Lake City, UT
    @ Duckhunter

    Compared to NIU, Rice Eccles isn't "puny".

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    I think Duckhunter got Rice-Chex Stadium confused with a similar little stadium up north in Logan, Romney Stadium. While Romney Stadium is puny, Rice-Chex is definitely in the "quaint and cozy little stadium" category.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 6, 2014 12:46 p.m.

    @poyman

    Oh, and BYU will have more in attendance this year at the Savanna State Game than Utah will have at the USC game...

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    Ouch! Don't hurt them poyman!

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 6, 2014 1:28 p.m.

    Big Cougar,

    Nope. The last time the Utes played Michigan was in 2008 and that game was a one shot deal having nothing to do with the games this year and next.

    That's called DirecTV satellite and you better check again about ESPNU. There were all kinds of complaints on the internet last year when the first of those 4 BYU games on ESPNU happened and a bunch of BYU fans didn't realize it wasn't included in basic cable or basic satellite. You have to have a premium package or a sports pack add on to get it. Turns out ESPNU is in the same number of homes as the Pac 12 Network nationwide, but gets fewer viewers. That was reported by the SLTrib TV reporter.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 6, 2014 1:38 p.m.

    poyman,

    That would have been October 12, 2013 when the Utes played Stanford and BYU played Georgia Tech.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 6, 2014 1:42 p.m.

    poyman,

    When did I say anything about the Ute's attendance being up? Season ticket renewals have been at 98% for 4 years straight. I don't recall saying anything about attendance being up. Sorry to burst your bubble. I guess you're just desperate to prove me wrong on something.