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Pac-12 commissioner 'delighted' that his conference's teams are scheduling BYU

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  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    July 24, 2014 8:41 p.m.

    "As for Pac-12 expansion, Scott said there are no plans to do so at the moment, nor in the foreseeable future."

    Why is it that a Des News reporter just can't help but ask this question when Scott is available to speak with Utah press? Ok, Des News...here's your final answer:

    “And in our conference, we’re just delighted with 12.”

    Get it?

    Now you're heard from the SEC, ACC, Big 12, and Pac-12. They are not interested. Thank your lucky stars that the Pac-12 schools will throw the cougs a bone and schedule an average of 1.5 games per year with them. Be grateful for what an elite conference is willing to do for you and please stop whining. You chose the path you are on...live with it or call the AAC. That's one bridge byu hasn't burned...yet.

  • Common-Tator Saint Paul, MN
    July 24, 2014 8:56 p.m.

    Glad to see the conference commissioner make an unbiased statement concerning games with BYU. It seems at least a few folk aren't overly affected by the "me only" attitude that has been reflected by other sports figures throughout the nation.

  • DuckInSLC Sandy, UT
    July 24, 2014 8:59 p.m.

    Just so people know I changed my name from DuckOuttaWater (seemed too long and weird haha) to just DuckInSLC. Anyway, I want my Ducks to schedule some games with the Cougs. I can call my LDS friends over for jello and milkshakes while my Ducks pull out a narrow victory! Cmon Rob Mullens, schedule a home and home with BYU.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    July 24, 2014 9:03 p.m.

    Its like being in the conference, without the burden of conference money!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 24, 2014 9:03 p.m.

    I love my PAC 12 membership!

  • truth in all its forms henderson, NV
    July 24, 2014 9:35 p.m.

    "Pac-12 Commissioner Larry Scott said it “makes a lot of sense” for teams in his conference to schedule football games against independent BYU." of course it makes sense to play byu you get a quality win and exposure on ESPN. I hope bigger conferences routinely schedule byu in the future. It will boost there conferences by giving them a guaranteed win over a quality opponent.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 24, 2014 10:03 p.m.

    I'm not sure with SLC media hack walked into PAC-12 media day and asked about BYU, but they should have been escorted from the room. Silver lining is that only one more conference needs to look at BYU in the face and give a firm "No", and we'll have a perfect 5/5. Look out BIG 10, Dick Harmon and the Cougars are coming!

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 24, 2014 10:18 p.m.

    Dirk,

    Ask Mr. Harmon to ask Commissioner Scott if he too is "uncomfortable" with BYU because of the "cocktail" climate in Utah.

  • Back Talk Federal Way, WA
    July 24, 2014 10:27 p.m.

    Agreeing to a scheduling agreement with the Pac 12 at some time in the future is really what BYU needs. It also makes a lot of sense for the Pac 12 both in attendance and easier travel.

    Just like with all of the talk about super conferences a couple of years ago and now all of the legal challenges facing college sports, we will have to wait a few years to see what really happens.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    July 24, 2014 10:27 p.m.

    Well, I guess we've covered the "BYU angle" of every power conference's media day. As near as I can tell, there really isn't one. Is this going to be an annual tradition?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 24, 2014 10:39 p.m.

    With a weak team, the utes are not fitting in the Pac 12. They were less then average in the WAC, and MWC. This year will be minus a victory present win from BYU.

    Are the utes making the PAC 12 conference look stronger then they are?

  • Colorado is our rival Salt Lake, UT
    July 24, 2014 10:54 p.m.

    I wish we stopped playing byu. They need our conference in a bad way as they already have one of the worst schedules in the nation.

    If we stopped playing them we would push them so far into irrelevance their program would be over. With just a few games a year against the big boys, if we didnt give them PAC 12 games they would be in full panic mode.

    Lets not help them. In fact, lets do all we can to bury them. And to do that we just need to do nothinh(stop scheduling them)

  • BlueNtheFace Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    July 24, 2014 11:10 p.m.

    C'mon Ute fans, you can't be that insecure about a blurb or two about BYU that snuck into Scott's remarks. The journalist also asked a loaded question about expansion that was sure to satisfy the BYU haters.

    We're somewhat relevant in the discussion anyway. The Cougars already have plans to play 8 of the 12 teams, some multiple times. We are one of the closest quality non-P5 teams in terms of vicinity to other PAC-12 teams. We are circled (as opposed to other OOC teams or even PAC teams) on the Utes' schedule per Dres.

    Hey MyPerspective. Do you think our move to indy was ever meant to be permanent, no matter what happens to the college football landscape. You're naive if you do. P5 > Indy > MWC. We have to wait/earn our turn for inclusion if it ever comes. "No one is interested" is obvious - for now.

    Good luck with your season and getting some respect.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    July 24, 2014 11:26 p.m.

    Well, Ute fans, part of the reason Larry is so darned excited to have Utah and Colorado is because that allows them to have a conference championship game, it allows Utah to be content to be picked at #5 in the Southern Division, and it allows Utah and Colorado to be the bottom feeders in the conference, a big relief for Washington State and Arizona. It doesn't push Arizona any closer to the Rose Bowl, by the way, but at least they now aren't picked to be in the cellar every year.

    So MyPerspective and Chris B, enjoy your position because you aren't going bowling for a long time, and likely never to the Rose Bowl. Do enjoy...!!

  • I Still Can't Say It Holladay, UT
    July 24, 2014 11:31 p.m.

    I'm thinking Larry Scott rolls his eyes whenever somebody asks him about BYU. Sure, some PAC-12 teams are willing to schedule 2 home games for 1 in Provo with BYU but that's it. BYU will never be invited to join the PAC-12.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 25, 2014 12:43 a.m.

    So the latest angle is for Notre Dame of the West to align with PAC-12 annually for 5 games? Just like ACC and Notre Dame?

    Not going to happen, ACC has 8 conference games and must play one more with ND or a P5 team.

    We have 9 conference games, even if we changed to 8 games we would have to redefine BYU as a P5 team. Which won't happen considering SEC has spoken on that matter already.

  • tdlawton Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 25, 2014 1:24 a.m.

    "Dirk Facer covers University of Utah sports for the Deseret News."

    Well except when he covers Pac-12 media days for the DNews and (I hope it was orders) has to embarrass himself by asking more BYU questions that UofU questions.

    Between this and Vai Sikahema's butchering of the Harvey Langi story the DNews has had a pretty embarrassing month... It is always obvious and sad to see a "New" organization trying to drive PR rather than report the News...

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    July 25, 2014 1:39 a.m.

    @Colorado is our rival...

    That was probably the funniest comment I have read all night... The stats over the years are clear, BYU sports a much stronger athletic program than the U... Ask any Sports Editors east of the Mississippi and they will loudly tell you that BYU is far ahead of Utah in and sport with the exception of Gymnastics.

    The only reason that the utes are even in the conference is because 5 of 6 B12 schools turned the pac12 invites down... That left them with 11 and they needed one more for balance... the utes were the only ones available in the west... The Board of Regents weren't going to allow a Mormon Faith Based School into their conference, Boise State has a poor academic reputation and consequently couldn't be invited, So who else could they choose? No one... they were the last kid on the playground and the Conference needed a 12th team, so they took Utah... And Washington State, Arizona, California and Oregon State were glad they did... Otherwise WSU doesn't go to a Bowl last year (to break their bowl drought) and WSU's basketball team would have gone winless in Conference play.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    July 25, 2014 1:49 a.m.

    BYU vs. Utah, this needs to happen. Bummer...

  • Chris from Rose Park Hartford, CT
    July 25, 2014 1:56 a.m.

    @Colorado is our rival

    Why the animosity towards BYU? Why do you want to bury them? Seriously though, why? I can understand wanting to beat them, even rout them. It's fun. It's an in-state rivalry. It pits friends and family against each other. There's a lot of great things about two teams having it out for each other. But I don't understand the desire to bury their entire program. It's got to go deeper than football, otherwise it just doesn't make sense.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    July 25, 2014 4:14 a.m.

    Yet another conference to openly talk about BYU at their media days. Like it or not, the plan for exposure is working big time, especially when it is being talked about in nearly every conference media day coverage, and BYU doesn't even belong to any of those conferences!

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    July 25, 2014 6:41 a.m.

    I love BYU football and will do no matter who they play. I think 60+ K fans feel the same way along with hundreds of thousands of fans world wide. BYU is out recruiting other neighboring schools to the north right now and will continue to do so as long as the SLC school continues to get beaten. It is no fun to be in the PAC 12 and not have a winning program. Best of luck to you.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    July 25, 2014 6:55 a.m.

    Of course they love scheduling games with BYU. Its the only way they can get on world wide TV.

  • International Cougar Fan Tacoma, WA
    July 25, 2014 6:57 a.m.

    If the utes could learn how to win enough games during the season, then they might be able to go to bowl game. But if that is too hard then at least they can read and comment on BYU news articles for consolation.

  • umanami Draper, UT
    July 25, 2014 7:30 a.m.

    These are the types of mid major out of conference games you schedule as a P5 member to guarantee wins. Just ask Utah.

  • mufasta American Fork, UT
    July 25, 2014 7:31 a.m.

    Des news, thank you for asking the question. It is important for BYU fans to know where they stand relative to the power 5 conferences. I am not sure why the UTE fans are so vitriolic in their response to anything BYU. We can have our favorite teams but we should be cheering for ALL the teams in the state. The better all of our teams do, the higher profile we have as a state. Everyone benefits. Yes as it looks in the pre-season, Utah has a tougher schedule and BYU will get more wins..blah..blah...blah. Let's just enjoy the season and cheer for all of our teams. Good Luck, UTAH, BYU, UTAH STATE, and WEBER STATE!

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 25, 2014 7:44 a.m.

    The PAC12 now becomes the latest p5 conference to express its disinterest in BYU as a conference member/partner.

    Not sure how BYU (and its media contingent) thinks that crashing the PAC12 media day enhances their standing with the conference.

    Scott is a gracious man, but did you hear what he said BYU?

    In the nicest way possible he said, while they may schedule some games, the conference is not interested in BYU.

    As for scheduling agreements... Why should any of the p5 conferences need a scheduling agreement with BYU? BYU needs the games more than the conferences and when needed BYU will always be available.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    July 25, 2014 7:46 a.m.

    I like the rivalry with BYU and I like that they play other Pac 12 teams regularly. I agree with Larry Scott that it makes sense. I wish the Ute's move to the Pac 12 hadn't caused an interruption in the annual rivalry game. Colorado isn't our rival and likely won't ever be, no matter how much the Pac 12 would like that to happen. BYU is our rival and always will be as long as we are playing them in sports. Keep in mind, we play them in many other sports besides football. Football is just the highest profile contest in the rivalry.

    What I don't like is the hatred and animosity expressed by so many fans on both sides. We can be rivals and still be civil. We don't have to wish for the total demise of the other program.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    July 25, 2014 8:07 a.m.

    "If we stopped playing them we would push them so far into irrelevance their program would be over."

    Yeah, and Utah fans have to come to BYU articles to have their voices heard. I know this isn't necessarily just a BYU article, but we all know (although many Ute fans are in denial) that much of BYU football articles are full of Ute "fans" whose only purpose is to trash talk BYU. Sounds like relevance to me. Utah articles have some trash talk from BYU fans, but not as much and Ute fans are usually the first to mention BYU.

    @I Still Can't Say It

    "Sure, some PAC-12 teams are willing to schedule 2 home games for 1 in Provo with BYU but that's it."

    To which PAC-12 teams are you referring? Of all of BYU's future PAC games, the only 2-1 I'm seeing is USC. Arizona has a 1-1-1, but everybody else has a 1-1 series scheduled.

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2014 8:14 a.m.

    Sanguine observation Commissioner Scott. BYU is a great opponent with a loyal following. Collegiate sports is benefitting from your enlightened perspective.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    July 25, 2014 8:17 a.m.

    The constant talk of BYU scheduling has grown old, but the constant obsession by Utah fans with BYU is still priceless.

  • Trouble Vancouver, WA
    July 25, 2014 8:23 a.m.

    In the few years that I've lived in the northwest, BYU has played Washington, WSU and Oregon St. twice. And while living in the state of Washington and working in the state of Oregon, I've never heard such negativity toward BYU or their fans. It looks like Ute fans are isolated in their weird perspective of an otherwise respected opponent.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    July 25, 2014 8:24 a.m.

    @ Two for and Chris B.

    Here is your reality...Deal with it!

    From the Arizona Daily Star...

    "I have no complaints about Dish. The Nov. 22 BYU vs. Savannah State game is available to me. There will be more people at that BYU game than at the Nov. 29 Utah vs. Colorado “rivalry game” in the Pac-12. This is the fourth year Utah and CU have been in the Pac-12. I’m still struggling to learn what exactly they did to merit inclusion to the league and what, if anything, they’ve added".

    From USA Today...

    "Utah hasn't ceded control of the division to Arizona State, USC and UCLA; the Utes never owned it, nor made even a halfhearted run at the Rose Bowl during the program's three seasons in the Pac-12. The Utes simply came, saw and were conquered, quickly becoming to the South Division's elite what California and Washington State have been to the North".

    BYU is a Legacy School with a National Brand, which plays on the Major Networks.....
    U...are not!

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    July 25, 2014 8:29 a.m.

    Wow, 12 of the first 18 posts are Utah fans talking smack. I'm sorry, but conclusion is, Utah just can't live without BYU. Utah must have BYU something in order to live. The only thing Utah can hang it's hat on is Utah getting up for their bowl game against BYU and add one random fluke win (Stanford). With all bragging, Utah still doesn't get to a bowl game. I'd be more embarrassed about that than losing to Utah for four years. Most every team trips and stumbles. Stanford last year, ASU, Oregon, they all do it. Great teams regroup and still make it to a bowl game. Others just have their fans post on their rival's (although some are in denial) news articles.

    This is why Utah will never do well in the PAC-12. They just can't get over BYU.

  • AFCoug Colorado Springs, CO
    July 25, 2014 8:40 a.m.

    I still thing a scheduling agreement could be reached with both the PAC 12 and Big 12. Personnaly I would rather see that then BYU joining a conferance. It does not have to be 5 games like ND has with the ACC. If it was only 3 with each conferance and then another 3 with the AAC BYU would have 9 games lined up. Play 1 PAC 12, Big 12, and AAC school in Novemeber, 1 each in September (end Aug), and 1 each in Oct. That gives BYU 9 games. Play Boise St, USU, and one other Big 5 school and BYU would have a schedule that looks as good as any P5 school every year.

    If the PAC 12 and Big 12 each only gave BYU 2 games a year it could still work very well. Work with the AAC to play 4-5 schools each year, and BYU would be at 8-9 games. Add BSU and USU and they are at 10-11 games already. Add 1-2 more P5 teams from another conferance or 1 P5 team and another MWC/CUSA team and they still have a respectable schedule. Indy is not so bad.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    July 25, 2014 9:08 a.m.

    Duke thinks the ACC schedule is brutal. Kansas also thinks the B12 schedule is brutal, and guess what, Vandy thinks the SEC schedule is brutal too. See the pattern?

    The doormats of the respective conferences think their conference schedule is brutal just like the U fan. Thats the elitist mentality at its finest and it's in full force on the hill.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    July 25, 2014 9:19 a.m.

    As long as the Cougars remain independent there will continue to be many stories about scheduling and conference alignments.

    As long as the Utes remain in the PAC 12 there will continue to be stories about new coaching staff, a new emphasis for speeding up the offense and the plan to make a bowl game to end the current drought.

  • esodije ALBUQUERQUE, NM
    July 25, 2014 9:25 a.m.

    Have to agree with the Ute fans on this one. It's ridiculous to try to make conference media days about BYU; it's simply not the right time or place for it. What I disagree on, however, is that it's any better to be a perennial P5 doormat than "one of the better mid majors." Every P5 conference has at least one or two football programs that aren't as good as BYU's even in a down year. Everyone with a shred of intellectual honesty knows that it isn't the quality of football, or BYU's not being a "top tier" research university, that impedes its chances of getting in a P5 conference. It's the fact that BYU is a church university that actually tries to enforce a student code of conduct. It's also the biggest reason for Ute fans' animosity.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    July 25, 2014 9:28 a.m.

    Hey Bluto, thanks for the articles. Found and read them both! Here's another one from the USA Today article that I think is telling of the Utah football team.

    "But there were wins left on the field: Oregon State, a 51-48 overtime loss despite 539 yards of total offense, the program's top mark against a Football Bowl Subdivision foe since 2010; UCLA, a 34-27 loss given away with six turnovers; Arizona State, a 19-7 lead turned 20-19 defeat thanks to a hideous fourth quarter; and even Washington State, a game Utah entered knowing the result would determine its postseason hopes. Good teams pull these out – Utah used to pull these out."

    Good teams pull these out (i.e. ASU), Utah used to pull these out...meaning Utah USED to be a good team.

  • WhoRtheUtes??? Elko, NV
    July 25, 2014 9:49 a.m.

    Finally an article about the Ute's conference. Too bad not too much talk about the Utes. Everyone is talking about the Cougs from Coast to Coast.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    July 25, 2014 9:52 a.m.

    Riverton Coug

    I did a "Utes" search and this article came up. Go figure.

    Worf

    Funny you quote the Arizona article. Really does not put byU in a glowing light either. The fact that they are playing Savannah State, I don't think I would want that mentioned at all if I were a byU "fan". The funny thing is, Utah is 20-17-2 against UA all-time. I would ask the same question back to this writer regarding AU.

    Oh well, let me just look at my tickets to the Oregon game at RES one more time.

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    July 25, 2014 10:06 a.m.

    @Striker

    They ploy that Bronco Mendenhall used to jump that poor reporter from Texas is why BYU is being brought up. The tactic was an embarassment to BYU as well and the Church and every member therof, myself included. Begging and groveling for inclusion in a conference hardly suggests relevence nor does it suggest recognition of the positive kind. BYU is fast becoming an after thought, even if it is through no fault of there own.

    I have said it before and again now, I truly fell sorry for college football fans that cheer for BYU (not the same as BYU fans). We all know what is coming and if BYU doesn't get included soon, well...sorry.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 25, 2014 10:12 a.m.

    CougarsSunDevil and Bluto,

    Pandering for opinions and desperately fishing for compliments.
    Do you realize that all of the mid-major conference champions will go to a better bowl than your prearranged beach bowl? And with Utah's SOS, if they qualify, they will likely get a better bowl than most of the mid-major conference champions. Go Utes!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2014 10:23 a.m.

    @ Bluto

    Arizona St. didn't qualify for a bowl for three straight seasons spanning from 2008-2010. Washington missed a bowl game every single year between 2002 and 2010. Those programs rebounded nicely, and are doing quite well right now. Utah has narrowly missed a bowl game in each of the past two seasons, but it is in no way a sign that Utah football will be down forever. It's also equally ridiculous to expect that Utah should have made a run at a Rose Bowl in only three years before it had a chance to build depth or upgrade facilities. There is an ebb and flow to college football, and Utah will eventually get back to its winning ways.

    But your reality is that Utah is IN, while BYU is on the outside literally begging for a seat at the table. Also, I will concede that BYU plays on major networks. That part you forget to mention is that many of those games are during the week. The MAC and C-USA use the same strategy to get their teams some TV time.

  • FelisConcolor North Salt Lake, UT
    July 25, 2014 10:31 a.m.

    For you Ute fans who believe that BYU is becoming irrelevant, I would refer you to a recent article on CBS Sports' website. They ranked the athletic programs of all 125 FBS schools based on the relative strengths of their football, men and women's basketball, and baseball programs, with an additional program in which the school excelled thrown in as a "wild card".

    The results? BYU was ranked #42 overall. Not bad for a "mid-major" program. Certainly better than fellow "mid-majors" Boise State (#63) and Utah State (#70), and better than many "power conference" programs.

    And where were the Mighty PAC-12 Utes ranked? If BYU was ranked #42, then Utah was ranked at least as high if not higher, right? Nope, they were ranked significantly lower.

    Well, they certainly would be ranked higher than Boise State or the Aggies, correct? Nope. They were lower than both. By a good margin.

    According to analysis by CBS Sports, Utah's "Conference of Champions!!" athletic program was ranked a lofty 84 overall. But cheer up Ute fans: Washington State and Colorado were ranked even lower, so you're not the most pathetic in the PAC-12. Yet.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    July 25, 2014 10:31 a.m.

    I'll bet that BYU wins more games this year than Utah does.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2014 10:47 a.m.

    The PAC is not going to enter an extra special scheduling arrangement with BYU like the ACC has with Notre Dame. Remember, Notre Dame's football deal is tied with joining the conference in all other sports.

  • tinplater scottsdale, AZ
    July 25, 2014 10:48 a.m.

    A thought on rivalry...it develops over time, and not in just a few years. USU BYU and Utah have been playing each other fairly regularly for about 100 years. It will take decades for Colorado to become a Ute Rival...it will happen more quickly if they are competing for something meaningful (like a trip to the Rose Bowl). But just routine scheduled games for the next 10 years will not a rivalry make.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2014 10:53 a.m.

    Utah has played roughly 1/3 of their conference games in the PAC with a healthy day 1 starting QB. Despite that these three years they've been one win away from a PAC-12 championship game (albeit due to USC sanctions) and one game away from a bowl the most recent two years. The assertion that they'll never make the Rose Bowl and are a long way from any bowl seems premature.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    July 25, 2014 10:55 a.m.

    @ Two For Flicnhing

    I know ASU, ASU is a friend of mine, ASU has a rich tradition, believe me Two-Fur....
    U are no ASU.

    In the modern era of College Football, Utah has had 6 good years and took 50 years to win a Conference Championship outright, in a Conference with teams, you now besmirch..

    Where will Utah win a Conference Championship, in any sport, in the next 10 years?
    The U is an embarrassment.

    BYU is begging for nothing. Their Brand sustains them. They don't need to ride others coattails to survive.

    Your "you play games during the week" is a non-starter. As now, even the Pac and the NFL clamor for those Thursday and Friday night games. The fact is, Utah can't get scheduled on the Major Networks, any day of the week.

    Belonging to a Conference does not make one elite. Being Elite makes one Elite and every Conference is filled with mid-majors and bottom-feeders i.e. Utah.

    For 40 years, BYU has and will continue to be a top 35 program in football, while Utah, along with Duke, Indiana, Vanderbilt, Washington State etc... will not.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    July 25, 2014 10:55 a.m.

    "Riverton Coug

    I did a "Utes" search and this article came up. Go figure."

    @utahcountyute

    I mentioned in my comment that I know this isn't necessarily just a BYU article, which was my way of saying it was listed on the Ute articles as well. However, it is true that BYU articles are filled with Ute fan comments.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    July 25, 2014 11:09 a.m.

    Bluto

    Keep the dream alive. Bronco disagrees with you, Tom Holmoe disagrees with you and every byU "fan" that is not drinking the blue stuff that some byU fans drink, disagrees with you.

    If Utah is an "embarrassment" in college football, what is byU? Consider that when you think of 9 of the last 12, 4 in a row and 54-10. OUCH!

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2014 11:35 a.m.

    Striker "Yet another conference to openly talk about BYU at their media days."
    The topic of BYU comes up at conference media days, because someone is planted in the audience to ask a question about BYU.

    Kind of like at MWC media days where the audience plant asked about the tradition of playing BYU. The commissioner answered "yes there is a tradition of MWC teams playing BYU, much like there is very great tradition of Utah State playing Utah in one of the nation's oldest rivalries.

    I didn't hear BYU come up in the Big Ten media days.
    Did the audience plant not get there in time?

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2014 12:01 p.m.

    @Bluto
    "Where will Utah win a Conference Championship, in any sport, in the next 10 years? "

    They won a PAC-12 championship in gymnastics just a couple months ago.

  • 311ute Reno, NV
    July 25, 2014 12:04 p.m.

    This article and the comments that follow are great examples of why the 2 year break from the rivalry is a good thing. To the SLC media and the fans, it's as if the two schools are joined at the hip. I am reminded of parent telling one child not to exclude the other child. Heaven forbid that the SLC media go the PAC12 media days and not ask about BYU. Is the Denver media asking about Colorado St? No, of course not. I know BYU is not Colorado State but give me a break. The SLC media is embarrassing both programs by bring up a school that does not belong to the conference. Give it up already!

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    July 25, 2014 12:19 p.m.

    I Still Can't Say It
    Holladay, UT
    I'm thinking Larry Scott rolls his eyes whenever somebody asks him about BYU. Sure, some PAC-12 teams are willing to schedule 2 home games for 1 in Provo with BYU but that's it. BYU will never be invited to join the PAC-12.

    >>>

    I think there is an extremely remote chance they could become a football only member in the BIG 12. On local sports radio up here, I listened to parts of PAC 12 media day. Every coach (not all were interviewed at the time) including Coach Kyle said the writing is on the wall. The 65 will break away and do what they want with football. What this means for BYU is anyones guess at this point. I think after this season we will know a lot more about the direction the P5 schools will go.

    I poke fun at BYU. But I also don't like how the corporate world, ESPN included, is influencing college football. The P5 want to get away from the lesser D1 schools. Fine, perhaps the P5 schools don't need federal funding anymore. After all, they can generate a lot of revenue to replace it thru football.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 25, 2014 12:28 p.m.

    FelisConcolor
    North Salt Lake, UT
    For you Ute fans who believe that BYU is becoming irrelevant, I would refer you to a recent article on CBS Sports' website. They ranked the athletic programs of all 125 FBS schools based on the relative strengths of their football, men and women's basketball, and baseball programs, with an additional program in which the school excelled thrown in as a "wild card".

    The results? BYU was ranked #42 overall. Not bad for a "mid-major" program. Certainly better than fellow "mid-majors" Boise State (#63) and Utah State (#70), and better than many "power conference" programs.

    And where were the Mighty PAC-12 Utes ranked? If BYU was ranked #42, then Utah was ranked at least as high if not higher, right? Nope, they were ranked significantly lower.

    _________

    Who cares. No stat, football title, heisman or other awards have made a difference. BYU is still on the outside looking in. After 40+ years they have never ever received an official conference invite.

  • wynn Columbus, OH
    July 25, 2014 12:38 p.m.

    Amazing how many Ute fans feel the need to claim BYU irrelevance. You come off as being threatened by the Cougars. The image you are portraying is that you have to keep telling yourselves this to reassure yourselves, to convince yourselves again and again. But if BYU was truly irrelevant, then you'd pay them no mind. You wouldn't wait each hour for a new article to appear that mentions BYU and pounce on it. I guess it shouldn't be surprising. Utah has gained its identify and relevance thanks to BYU and needs BYU in order to maintain it. I guess it would be threatening given how big and widespread a brand the Cougars are nationally and beyond as compared to the Utes. One evidence of this is the contract ESPN has with the Cougars.

  • eric2002x Miami, FL
    July 25, 2014 12:39 p.m.

    Yes, and for 30 years the PAC10 only "needed" 10 members, and would have answered the same thing in every media day...until suddenly in 2010 there was an "earthquake", they chased most of the Big12 (the big prizes were Texas & Oklahoma) and were left with Colorado & Utah. Good for them, Utah was at the "right place, at the right time" given their impressive 2004 & 2008 seasons.

    If there is anything true, is that nothing stays the same forever. It used to be the PAC8, then PAC10 now PAC12. The Big10 now has 14 members. The SEC has 14 members. The ACC has 14 members. The trend is obvious - you have to get to at least 14 (and 16 has been discussed) - so that leaves 2 spots in the PAC and 4 spots in Big 12 (with only 10 members). Big12 is likeliest expansion since they don't hide behind the "research" veneer. Expansion will happen sooner rather than later, BYU just has to be ready with quality wins on their resume. P5 inclusion is a matter of geography and timing more than anything - as many Conference USA and Big East teams can attest - one day you are not P5, the other day you are & vice-versa.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2014 12:51 p.m.

    @ Bluto

    ASU has a rich tradition of what? They have less conf. title, less overall wins, worse bowl record, less BCS bowl appearances/wins than Utah does. Yet somehow the Sun Devils have found a way to succeed in the PAC-12. I'm confident Utah can, and will, do the same. Also, it's weird that you consider a school to be your friend.

    Utah already won a conf. this last Spring in Gymnastics.

    BYU is begging. We all read about Bronco's interview with the Austin Statesman. That is the definition of begging.

    It's not uncommon for teams to be showcased on Thursday once or twice in a season. It is uncommon to play as many weekday games as BYU does.

    Utah > BYU. Play our schedule and your team would crumble. Have fun hiding behind those big wins over the directional schools like MTSU.

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    July 25, 2014 12:55 p.m.

    MyPerspective
    Salt Lake City, UT
    "As for Pac-12 expansion, Scott said there are no plans to do so at the moment, nor in the foreseeable future."

    Why is it that a Des News reporter just can't help but ask this question when Scott is available to speak with Utah press?

    ----------

    No kidding.

    I'll bet Scott rolls his eyes everytime a reporter from Utah asks that question. It's nice to be wanted, but after a while it's like "come on, give it up."

    It's also embarrassing for BYU and its fans.

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    July 25, 2014 1:02 p.m.

    BlueNtheFace
    Rancho Cucamonga, CA

    We are circled (as opposed to other OOC teams or even PAC teams) on the Utes' schedule per Dres.

    ---------

    Some fans are so clueless.

    Like this guy, who has the audacity to pretend that Utah is just another game for BYU. Acting like his players don't get giddy with excitement every time they play us. Like they don't act like it's the "super bowl" or something.

    Nope. It's "just another game" for them, while it's the most "important game of the year" for us.

    Listen to me, loud and clear.

    What. A. Joke.

    Maybe if BYU did act like the Utah game meant something you'd actually be able to pull out a victory for once. Instead, now you're starting to get full recruiting cycles that don't even know what it feels like to beat Utah.

    Four in a row.
    9 of 12
    54-10
    Ownage

    LOL

  • Alpine Blue Alpine, UT
    July 25, 2014 1:10 p.m.

    RE: Trouble

    "And while living in the state of Washington and working in the state of Oregon, I've never heard such negativity toward BYU or their fans. It looks like Ute fans are isolated in their weird perspective of an otherwise respected opponent."

    I've struggled to understand this as well and have concluded that for the great majority of our most beloved anti-BYU trolls (I won't mention any names-but all know who they are), it is somehow or another related to the predominate religion in the region.

  • GoodGuyGary Houston, TX
    July 25, 2014 1:20 p.m.

    All BYU can do is winning games. Winning alot of games.

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    July 25, 2014 1:27 p.m.

    Riverton Cougar
    Riverton, UT

    Stanford is a 2-for 2, extremely likely to turn into a 2-for-1 or a 2-and-done.

    2020 @ Stanford
    2022 @ Stanford
    2023 @ BYU
    2025 @ BYU

    You've got to ask the question... why does Stanford insist on having their home portion right up front? If they had the full intention of going to Provo twice, why not do it the traditional way... @Stanford @BYU @Stanford @BYU... or @BYU @Stan @Stan @BYU?

    Only answer is, Stanford may not intend to play the entire series. Why would Holmoe accept this arrangement?

    Arizona also gets their two home games first... in 2016, 2018... before finally going to Provo in 2020.

    ASU gets their home game first (20). Cal gets their home game first (14). We'll see if they go to Provo three years later.

    Guess where the first UCLA game (15) will be?

    Wazzu moved their 2013 game w/BYU waaaay down the line (19).

    Notre Dame has given you two road games, still owes you two home games... but isn't anywhere on the sched.

    It's nice that you're scheduling these teams, but is no one looking at these odd arrangements?

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    July 25, 2014 1:29 p.m.

    65TossPowerTrap
    Salmon, ID
    The constant talk of BYU scheduling has grown old, but the constant obsession by Utah fans with BYU is still priceless.

    --------

    So is your regular gratitude for not being in a P5... because you're afraid of being chopped to bits by real opponents every week.

    LOL!!!

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    July 25, 2014 1:31 p.m.

    Trouble
    Vancouver, WA

    I've never heard such negativity toward BYU or their fans. It looks like Ute fans are isolated in their weird perspective of an otherwise respected opponent.

    ----------

    Or it could be that you're just ignorant. What do ya think?

    Let's go ask how much Michigan fans love the Buckeyes... or Auburn fans love the Tide... or USC fans love the Bruins.

    Your attempt to speak for all of college football is laughable.

    But your narrow minded view of the game is hardly a surprise.

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    July 25, 2014 1:33 p.m.

    Bluto
    Sandy, UT

    Ha ha ha!

    That was not a quote from the Arizona Daily Star.

    And BYU can't even sell out games versus Texas and Boise State. What makes you think ANYONE will show up for Savannah State?

    LOL

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    July 25, 2014 1:43 p.m.

    Article title: "Pac-12 commissioner 'delighted' that his conference's teams are scheduling BYU"

    Oops.

    Better not let Utah's fans know this.

    They mistakenly think BYU couldn't beat half the junior high teams in the valley.

    Go Cougars!

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    July 25, 2014 1:49 p.m.

    FelisConcolor
    North Salt Lake, UT
    According to analysis by CBS Sports, Utah's "Conference of Champions!!" athletic program was ranked a lofty 84 overall. But cheer up Ute fans: Washington State and Colorado were ranked even lower, so you're not the most pathetic in the PAC-12. Yet.

    ---------

    Not sure why this is such a surprise to you. The rankings are based on the current state of the programs.

    Yes, right now Utah State is better.

    Yes, right now Boise State is better.

    So you're surprised... why?

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    July 25, 2014 1:52 p.m.

    "Consider that when you think of 9 of the last 12, 4 in a row and 54-10. OUCH!"

    This is the only argument Utah fans have. It's a broken record and looks desperate when Ute fans are boasting their wins over a team they say is irrelevant in the next breath.

    ekute

    "Pandering for opinions and desperately fishing for compliments."

    I didn't know USA Today would be considered 'desperately fishing' since it's a national newspaper.

    2 fer

    "Arizona St. didn't qualify for a bowl for three straight seasons spanning from 2008-2010."

    Yeah, Erickson was running the show then. Got rid of him and then what happened? Where is Erickson now and how is that team doing?

    "ASU has a rich tradition of what? They have less conf. title, less overall wins, worse bowl record, less BCS bowl appearances/wins than Utah does."

    Yeah, cause ASU was playing PAC-10 teams since 1978. We won a rose bowl game playing powers like USC, UCLA, and Washington (at the time). Utah made it to a BCS game playing Wyoming, UNLV, and other weak opponents that Utah fans now deride.

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    July 25, 2014 1:52 p.m.

    Bluto
    Sandy, UT

    You are the very definition of denial and delusion.

    "Where will Utah win a Conference Championship, in any sport, in the next 10 years?
    The U is an embarrassment."

    Gymnastics 2014.

    "BYU is begging for nothing. Their Brand sustains them. They don't need to ride others coattails to survive."

    Tell that to your head football coach, who is publicly begging to get into the Big 12 in the Texas press.

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!

    Pathetic.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    July 25, 2014 1:55 p.m.

    "Glad to see the conference commissioner make an unbiased statement concerning games with BYU"

    LOL. Couple of thoughts:

    1.What else could he say? I hate it but we had no other choice? He knew he was talking to the DNews/byu/mormon media

    2. I'm sure he was only asked this question by the Dnews so it's not like it was a talking point in his opening address.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2014 1:55 p.m.

    "And while living in the state of Washington and working in the state of Oregon, I've never heard such negativity toward BYU or their fans. It looks like Ute fans are isolated in their weird perspective of an otherwise respected opponent."

    What do Oregon and Oregon State think of each other? Why would you expect a different rivalry to function differently?

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    July 25, 2014 1:55 p.m.

    wynn
    Columbus, OH
    Utah has gained its identify and relevance thanks to BYU and needs BYU in order to maintain it.

    --------

    Right. BYU was the reason we won those two BCS trophies.

    LOL!

    The arrogance is clinical. And supremely pathetic.

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    July 25, 2014 2:20 p.m.

    @Bluto

    Poor man, the internet makes research and invalid claims easy to refute, Utah had shared conference championships in 1912 and 1919. First outright championship 1922. That is a very long history indeed. Utah State 1921. BYU....wait for it....1965, so you are correct about the 50 years comment it was the wrong school though.

    There was an article a few years ago that had a ranking of football teams for college over the last 100 years, BYU 80-something. Google it.

    Good luck to you sir.

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    July 25, 2014 2:23 p.m.

    @utahcountyute "...think of 9 of the last 12..."

    Why do you find the need to start your tally only in the last 12 games? We all know why, which makes us chuckle whilst U guys attempt to smother BYU's continued relevance. As if you really could.

    Why not step your W/L stats into the common era? Why? Because, within the common era there are those embarrassing, huge voids of time where U lost to BYU for almost an entire decade before winning a fluke here and there. And that doesn't mesh well with the myth you are trying to sell does it?

  • yabuts Springville, utah
    July 25, 2014 2:23 p.m.

    GougarSunDevil:

    Will you be able to watch the homecoming "game" where you live or are you coming to Provo?

  • Hegdehog Bountiful, UT
    July 25, 2014 2:37 p.m.

    @MormonUte
    "What I don't like is the hatred and animosity expressed by so many fans on both sides. We can be rivals and still be civil. We don't have to wish for the total demise of the other program."

    Well said Mormon Ute

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2014 2:52 p.m.

    @ CougarSunDevil

    "Yeah, cause ASU was playing PAC-10 teams since 1978. We won a rose bowl game playing powers like USC, UCLA, and Washington (at the time). "

    Hold on. Are you admitting that playing a full schedule in the PAC-12 is considerably more difficult than playing a schedule full of mid-majors? Because if you are, I agree with you 100%, and will add that ASU's Rose Bowl season was indeed very impressive.

    @ Surf is Up

    The "common era" dates back to Biblical time. There were indeed very long droughts in the rivalry in that time, but as it stands the record in the time frame you selected is 57-34-4 in favor of Utah. If you were trying to include the 70s and 80s, perhaps you can explain what makes games played 35 years ago relevant to the rivalry today?

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2014 2:56 p.m.

    @ CougarSunDevil

    "Yeah, cause ASU was playing PAC-10 teams since 1978. We won a rose bowl game playing powers like USC, UCLA, and Washington (at the time). "

    Hold on. Are you admitting that playing a full schedule in the PAC is considerably more difficult than playing a schedule full of mid-majors? Because if you are, I agree with you 100%, and will add that ASU's Rose Bowl season was indeed very impressive.

    @ Surf is Up

    The "common era" dates back to Biblical time. There were indeed very long droughts in the rivalry in that time, but as it stands the record in the time frame you selected is 57-34-4 in favor of Utah. If you were trying to include the 70s and 80s, perhaps you can explain what makes games played 35 years ago relevant to the rivalry today?

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    July 25, 2014 3:04 p.m.

    @Colorado is our rival
    They need our conference in a bad way as they already have one of the worst schedules in the nation.

    If we stopped playing them we would push them so far into irrelevance their program would be over.

    Lets not help them. In fact, lets do all we can to bury them. And to do that we just need to do nothinh(stop scheduling them)

    ----------------------

    You say "we" like you speak for the Pac12 conference or something. Lol! A little dose of reality would do you a lot of good. Here's a little dose of reality:

    annual conference cellar dwellers don't speak for the conference. ever

    Here's another dose of reality:

    BYU had the 38th toughest SOS last season (Sagarin). They finished ahead of several SEC teams including Alabama and ahead of most of the ACC, Big 10 and Big 12 conference teams. Last year Utah's SOS was top 10 (great for you! Did you win the SOS championship and get a trophy?). Reality is, last year's utah schedule was the exception not the norm. Previous 2 yrs in the Pac12 Utah's SOS was in the 40's.

    What a joke! Lol!

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    July 25, 2014 3:05 p.m.

    @Colorado is our rival
    They need our conference in a bad way as they already have one of the worst schedules in the nation.

    If we stopped playing them we would push them so far into irrelevance their program would be over.

    Lets not help them. In fact, lets do all we can to bury them. And to do that we just need to do nothinh(stop scheduling them)

    ----------------------

    You say "we" like you speak for the Pac12 conference or something. Lol! A little dose of reality would do you a lot of good. Here's a little dose of reality:

    annual conference cellar dwellers don't speak for the conference. ever

    Here's another dose of reality:

    BYU had the 38th toughest SOS last season (Sagarin). They finished ahead of several SEC teams including Alabama and ahead of most of the ACC, Big 10 and Big 12 conference teams. Last year Utah's SOS was top 10 (great for you! Did you win the SOS championship and get a trophy?). Reality is, last year's utah schedule was the exception not the norm. Previous 2 yrs in the Pac12 Utah's SOS was in the 40's.

    What a joke! Lol!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 25, 2014 4:03 p.m.

    MyPerspective:

    "...live with it or call the AAC. That's one bridge byu hasn't burned...yet."

    You are mistaken. The Y DID burn that bridge. Reread the DNews article "Cougars won't be joining Big East" by Jeff Call (Nov. 22, 2011):

    "One source told CBSSportsline, "I doubt BYU (going to the Big East) will happen. They are being extremely unreasonable all of a sudden. This is one reason why they did not get into the Big 12...[The Big East was] willing to make sure BYU gets as much per game or more than they do now. The BYU lawyers are unwilling to move much. The Big East keeps working to get a deal done. BYU has a problem from the members...they are growing tired of doing all they can to support BYU...but it seems it is starting to be too much."

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    July 25, 2014 4:05 p.m.

    "Stanford is a 2-for 2, extremely likely to turn into a 2-for-1 or a 2-and-done."

    So Stanford is a 2-for-2, but "likely" to turn into a 2-1 and that counts as a 2-1 in your mind. BYU is "likely" to be in a P5 conference in the next few years, does that count in your mind as well?

    "Arizona also gets their two home games first... in 2016, 2018... before finally going to Provo in 2020."

    Last I checked, Arizona has only one home game. Just because one of the games is in Arizona doesn't mean that it is a home game for Arizona. If BYU and Utah had a basketball game at ESA, would you consider that a home game for Utah?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 25, 2014 4:05 p.m.

    MyPerspective (cont.):

    "One Big East school rep told me, 'BYU does know that (Boise State) is the real prize here, right?' Being part of a conference is working together as one team. For the first time since BYU and the Big East started this process, member schools are wondering why BYU is being so difficult.'...there are some very proud members like Georgetown, Notre Dame and the others are willing to help BYU join their club, but that support is being tested and they are prepared to offer San Diego State..."

    See? That bridge was burned too. So once the Y decides to join a conference, they're down to C-USA, the MAC, and the Sun Belt. Or at least until they burn those bridges too.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 25, 2014 4:13 p.m.

    worf:

    "They were less then average in the WAC, and MWC. This year will be minus a victory present win from BYU....Are the utes making the PAC 12 conference look stronger then they are?"

    What a frantic and emotional thing to say. By the time the Utes left the WAC, we were most certainly not "less than average". We were one of that leagues consistent leaders (along with CSU and the Y). And while in the MWC, the 2-time BCS bowl busting Utes and Frogs were that league's top dogs.

    And of course, with our current 9-1 OOC record, Utah IS making the Pac-12 conference look stronger.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    July 25, 2014 4:17 p.m.

    2 Fer

    "Hold on. Are you admitting that playing a full schedule in the PAC-12 is considerably more difficult than playing a schedule full of mid-majors? Because if you are, I agree with you 100%, and will add that ASU's Rose Bowl season was indeed very impressive."

    I've never said otherwise. I'm just tired of Utah fans to deride BYU's schedule and ASU's lack of conference championships and bowl appearances while touting Utah's two BCS wins. Utah had some quality wins during 04 and 08, but ultimately would not have made it to a BCS game if they were playing in the PAC 12 that year. I don't think anyone is arguing that BYU's schedule is a Power 5 dream come true, but it is better than in the MWC. Utah fans keep knocking BYU's schedule when Utah played lesser quality of teams than BYU is currently scheduling a fair and objectionable fan can see that. When Utah wins the PAC-12, then I'll be impressed. Until then, Utah really doesn't have a whole lot over BYU especially if Utah doesn't win this year.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 25, 2014 4:26 p.m.

    Striker:

    "Yet another conference to openly talk about BYU at their media days. Like it or not, the plan for exposure is working big time, especially when it is being talked about in nearly every conference media day coverage, and BYU doesn't even belong to any of those conferences!"

    Yes, but it seems like what is being openly discussed about the Y by Power 5 leagues is -- and you even said it yourself -- that they don't even belong.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    July 25, 2014 4:39 p.m.

    Larry Scott obviously hasn't been keeping up with the talking points of our jealous little brothers and considers PAC 12 teams playing BYU as a win-win situation. Certainly for schools like USC and UCLA it's a much bigger deal from a national perspective when they play BYU.

  • nananana batman saint george, UT
    July 25, 2014 4:39 p.m.

    I really wish the season would start. It feels like Groundhog day with the same articles being recycled. If its not Big 12 mumbo jumbo its Pac-12. Write an article when something finally does happen.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 25, 2014 4:41 p.m.

    Bluto:

    "BYU is begging for nothing. Their Brand sustains them. They don't need to ride others coattails to survive."

    No so Bluto. The Y IS begging. They're begging for Power 5 status when they're not too busy begging for a Big 12 invitation. And that's because their brand is NOT sustaining them. And furthermore, they DO need others coattails to ride in order to survive. But unfortunately for you, Utah's coattails weren't long enough to drag you any further than we'd already had while we were in the MWC. There's a big difference between "not needing" anyone's coattails to ride, from "not having" anyone's coattails to ride.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 25, 2014 5:04 p.m.

    Riverton Cougar:

    "Just because one of the games is in Arizona doesn't mean that it is a home game for Arizona."

    Yes it does. If it's ~2 hrs from Tucson, but 10+ hrs from Provo, it's a Home game for Arizona. And for what it's worth, yes, a basketball game between the U and the Y at ESA would be like a Home game for Utah.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2014 5:37 p.m.

    wynn
    Columbus, OH
    "Utah has gained its identify and relevance thanks to BYU and needs BYU in order to maintain it."

    Provide this board a list of specific examples to support your claim. Frankly, I can't think of a single thing byu has done for the U of U.

    Conversely, byu received $2M from Utah's BCS appearances. So, the next time you look at byu's grass football field salute the U of U...that's where byu got it. Also, there are many research partnerships that the U has reached down (way down) to include byu.

    Ok, your turn...byu has done what for the U of U??

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2014 5:51 p.m.

    Naval Vet
    Philadelphia, PA

    MyPerspective:

    "The Y DID burn that bridge. Reread the DNews article "Cougars won't be joining Big East" by Jeff Call (Nov. 22, 2011)..."

    I stand corrected. Excellent work, Naval Vet. byu burns bridges everywhere they go. My hope is that the decision makers in all of the conferences have long memories.

  • wyoming cougar Green River, WY
    July 25, 2014 5:56 p.m.

    re: naval vet- Not so fast. utah had a good run in the MWC but not so much in the WAC. In fact, BYU had more victories than any other team in the history of the WAC, and in a distant second is Wyoming. utah is not even close in WAC history victories.

    and, re: my perspective- If you want to discuss revenue sharing from bowl games then don't forget about a few decades where you never went bowling but shared in the pie from all of BYU's bowl games. Even Wyoming went to more and brought more to the table over the history of the WAC than u did.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 25, 2014 6:11 p.m.

    @CougarSunDevil

    "I don't think anyone is arguing that BYU's schedule is a Power 5 dream come true, but it is better than in the MWC."

    Not in 2011 and not in 2014, it is significantly weaker, more like their 1984 SOS.

    "When Utah wins the PAC-12, then I'll be impressed. Until then, Utah really doesn't have a whole lot over BYU especially if Utah doesn't win this year."

    * BYU was 2-5 vs P5 teams last year (5-11 since going Indy)

    * BYU is 2-5 vs PAC-12 teams, only wins over 3-9 Oregon State and Washington State.

    What has BYU done to impress you over the last 14 years, the BCS era? BYU better go 3-0 vs P5 teams this year, because Virgina and Cal have only won 3 games (2 over D2 teams and BYU).

  • Cosmo's Cousin Holladay, UT
    July 25, 2014 6:11 p.m.

    BYU has more tradition and history than 95% of the teams in the P5 conferences, especially little old Utah. Heismans, national championships, Top 25 finishes, an international fan base, BYU TV, an HD truck, and various other awards.

    The only reason BYU doesn't get an invite into a P5 conference is because it would make all the schools in those conferences jealous and feel threatened. BYU is as good as it gets in college football and everyone knows it.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 25, 2014 6:13 p.m.

    @MyPerspective

    Ok, your turn...byu has done what for the U of U??

    -----------

    They were gracious enough to roll over and play dead as Utah made history, TWICE!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2014 6:15 p.m.

    @ CougarSunDevil

    I've seen the schedule mocking, and BYU probably doesn't deserve as much friction on the subject as they do. Especially last year; BYU put together a quality schedule. However, as a Ute fan it becomes frustrating having to defend against jeers of Utah going bowl-less, without any recognition that Utah is playing great teams week after week. With the rotating door that has become the OC position at the U, and our inability to keep QB's healthy, there are a couple explanations for why Utah has stumbled. But one of the most valid explanations for why Utah has missed bowls two years in a row is due to the huge jump in SOS. Utah improved as a team from 2012 to 2013, but that wasn't represented in the W/L column because the conference as a whole also took a big step forward.

    Anyway, good luck to the Cougars. They have a chance to do something special this season. Not as much luck to the Sun Devils; here's to hoping Utah ends it's drought against ASU.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2014 6:20 p.m.

    @ CougarSunDevil

    I've seen the schedule mocking, and BYU probably doesn't deserve as much friction on the subject as they do. Especially last year; BYU put together a quality schedule. However, as a Ute fan it becomes frustrating having to defend against jeers of Utah going bowl-less, without any recognition that Utah is playing great teams week after week. With the rotating door that has become the OC position at the U, and our inability to keep QB's healthy, there are a couple explanations for why Utah has stumbled. But one of the most valid explanations for why Utah has missed bowls two years in a row is due to the huge jump in SOS. Utah improved as a team from 2012 to 2013, but that wasn't represented in the W/L column because the conference as a whole also took a big step forward.

    Anyway, good luck to the Cougars. They have a chance to do something special this season. Not as much luck to the Sun Devils; here's to hoping Utah ends it's drought against ASU.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    July 25, 2014 6:23 p.m.

    @TwoFur

    ASU has been to two Rose Bowls...something "U" will never achieve.
    As for Top 25 finishes, College Hall of Famers, Consensus All-Americans, they (ASU), like BYU, Trump "U" by multiples of factors.

    And as we have told you shortsighted Ute fans before.......
    Tradition, Legacy and National Brands are attained over "Generations" and not with only 6 good years in 50. And certainly not by being your Conference Doormat..

    One man appropriately positioning his team, is another mans begging.
    What bothers "U", is that BYU got more press at the Pac-12 meetings than did "U".
    Why? Because BYU is more interesting.
    Hilarious!

    Major Networks know full well that BYU and ASU are National Brands...not "U"!
    Check your local listings...

    BYU has been awarded every major piece of hardware which College Football has to offer.....Utah ??...crickets!

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    July 25, 2014 6:40 p.m.

    @TommyHawk

    Your obsession with minutia is hilarious.
    You guys all said that the Pac would never play BYU, let alone in November.

    Now, your Commissioner shows BYU the respect they've earned over generations and "U" fans are melting down?

    Face it... Your Mask of False Bravado has been lifted and even your peers within your Conference would rather play and beat BYU than U, as it would boost their SOS more than a win over the doormat Utes.

    @ Two-Fur

    NO...The Modern Era of College Football is considered by all experts to have begun in 1950, when 2 polls determined the "Mythical National Championship". So therefore, your wins against Kearns Rotary, The National Guard, High School Teams and the like, in 8 game seasons, are not given much weight.

    Are "U" now admitting that all of Utah's glory years were done against so called "mid-majors" which you love to besmirch?

    Utah is at the bottom of the barrel of the phony caste system called the P-5. Even now there are at least 10 teams outside the P-5 rated higher than U. Among the 60+ P-5 teams rated higher than "U".

    76 teams played in Bowl Games the last 2 years. And U?

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2014 8:16 p.m.

    @ Bluto

    Never? Careful with such definite statements. It wasn't too long ago that BYU fans would have said Utah would "never" join the PAC, especially before BYU did.

    Only mid-majors count "top 25" finishes. You think tOSU or Texas fans keep track of things like that? Also, ASU has 18 consensus All-Americans, and Utah has 16. Clearly the two programs aren't worlds apart.

    BYU did not get more press than Utah at PAC-12 media day. The only media agency on the planet that even mentioned BYU after PAC-12 media day was the DNews.

    Keep pounding your chest about BYU being a national brand; you're outside looking in

    Army has every award too, so what? They're still independent and irrelevant too.

    The modern era is not 1950. The game has changed significantly since then. Also, the modern era doesn't pre-date the NFL. Also, the time in question was the "common era"

    I like mid-majors, and yes Utah's glory years came while they were a mid-majors. Hopefully the program keeps growing.

    It's not a phony caste system. It is a very real caste system, and BYU is on the very bottom.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 25, 2014 8:31 p.m.

    Naval Vet
    Philadelphia, PA
    Bluto:

    "BYU is begging for nothing. Their Brand sustains them. They don't need to ride others coattails to survive."

    No so Bluto. The Y IS begging. They're begging for Power 5 status when they're not too busy begging for a Big 12 invitation. And that's because their brand is NOT sustaining them. And furthermore, they DO need others coattails to ride in order to survive. But unfortunately for you, Utah's coattails weren't long enough to drag you any further than we'd already had while we were in the MWC. There's a big difference between "not needing" anyone's coattails to ride, from "not having" anyone's coattails to ride.

    _______

    Bluto's post is an insult to Idaho St., Idaho, New Mexico St, and the rest. BYU has to ride their coattails to fill out it's schedule.

    I have also heard how the MWC road on BYUs coattails from fans here. Anyone aware of any MWC school asking BYU to come back? Nope.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 25, 2014 8:53 p.m.

    wyoming cougar:

    "If you want to discuss revenue sharing from bowl games then don't forget about a few decades where you never went bowling but shared in the pie from all of BYU's bowl games."

    Yes the Y brought some money to the WAC with their bowl games...

    ...but overall, throughout the entire history of the U and Y being members of the same league, Utah brought more with ours.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 25, 2014 9:03 p.m.

    "Just because one of the games is in Arizona doesn't mean that it is a home game for Arizona."

    I was born and raised in Phoenix and Phoenix Metro and the fact of the matter is ua receives the vast majority of their students from Phoenix Metro and the vast majority of these students return to Phoenix Metro, once they're done w/their schooling. They don't remain in tucson. ua's alumni base is enormous in Phoenix Metro and ua fans in tucson have merely a short drive up the I-10 to Glendale for this game.

    Make no mistake about it, this is unequivocally in fact merely another home game for ua. Furthermore, not all Lds in Phoenix Metro are byu fans and the number of those that are and will actually attend this game won't even remotely touch ua's number. This is irrefutable fact.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2014 11:15 p.m.

    Cosmo's Cousin
    Holladay, UT

    "BYU has more tradition and history than 95% of the teams in the P5 conferences, especially little old Utah. Heismans, national championships, Top 25 finishes, an international fan base, BYU TV, an HD truck, and various other awards.

    The only reason BYU doesn't get an invite into a P5 conference is because it would make all the schools in those conferences jealous and feel threatened. BYU is as good as it gets in college football and everyone knows it."

    Yeah, that's it...you nailed it. That's why byu can't get into a conference...all those schools in those big bad conferences are jealous. LOL!!!!!!!!!!

  • JD Las Vegas, NV
    July 25, 2014 11:55 p.m.

    BYU fans will read this article and think sugar plums are dancing in their heads with positivity because Commissioner Scott smiled and spoke positively when he discussed BYU. But read each word carefully, things were clearly stated. BYU will not be invited to be part of a power five conference. Power conferences are not going to expand. Plans are already made for the future and a new division of athletics. Provo is Uninvited, cue Alanis Morrisette song. Sure the PAC-12 will play BYU here and there, it's an opponent that is beatable. BYU only has itself to blame. The pompous thumping of chests over a very twisted never to be allowed to occur again accomplishment over 30 years ago has elapsed on the impressive scale. It's time for Provo to take a hard look at itself, step out of the box, and see how BYU is viewed. It's not pretty. Relationships with former teams from the WAC and MWC are horrible and well known. The no-play on Sunday rule and the discriminating stances on social issues are very damaging. Rise and shout, your about to be permanently left out, couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 26, 2014 12:50 a.m.

    @CougarSunDevil

    Yeah, cause ASU was playing PAC-10 teams since 1978. We won a rose bowl game playing powers like USC, UCLA, and Washington (at the time). Utah made it to a BCS game playing Wyoming, UNLV, and other weak opponents that Utah fans now deride.

    ----------

    Nope!.

    1986 #4 ASU (10-1-1 Rose Bowl) beat #8 MI, #14 UCLA, and #16 Washington. They tied (3-7-1) Washington State at home and lost to #11 Arizona on the road.

    2008 #2 Utah (13-0 Sugar Bowl) beat EVERYONE including #6 Alabama, #7 TCU, #18 Oregon State, #25 BYU.

  • LadyMoon Crestucky, FL
    July 26, 2014 7:27 a.m.

    My Perspective clarified rsther nicely how BYU can not expect an invitation to join any conference anytime soon. That's why it is imperative we soundly thrash each one of them on the field of play, everytime we get the chance! Blow outs comes first to mind!

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    July 26, 2014 7:33 a.m.

    I don't care what BYU is doing. Scheduling them is fun as it gets most PAC 12 teams a win.

    My wish for BYU is that the Big 12 gives them a shot. The reason I want them to get a shot is so they can be humbled with 3 to 4 wins per year.

  • DrUte Woods Cross, UT
    July 26, 2014 8:22 a.m.

    Wouldn't waste too much time on those folks living in The Blue Bubble.

    Who did what even last year is history. History doesn't get you to post season.

    Question is: What's happening today.

    Personally I'm looking forward to see the results of the roster & coaching changes at the U, as Coach Whitt expressed during the recent media days.

    BYU? Good luck with independence. You wanted it, you got it. Now live with it.

    From what the various P5 conferences are saying, there are no current plans to add anyone anywhere, and if they did it would be a nationwide competition for those one or two schools who might come on board somewhere.

    Nation wide.

    So no need to try to "convert" the Blue Bubble to the U. Let them revel in their Independence, the I Wannabe Notre Dame thing.

    Blue Folks: No need to worry about the U. We're doing just fine, enjoying P5 dollars, P5 opportunities, and working our side of the street against a level of competition BYU may never experience in this millennium.

    Red Folks: It's time for football. Time to Get Your Red On!!

    Go Utes!!!!

  • Mark321 Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 26, 2014 8:27 a.m.

    107 comments already all towards BYU. That's awesome!

  • wynn Columbus, OH
    July 26, 2014 8:41 a.m.

    @ My Perspective and others:

    As far as the Utes gaining and maintaining their identity through the Cougars, I meant their sports identity. In the 70s and 80s, BYU owned the Utes. In the 90s and up until a bit ago, it has been more balanced. Lately, the Utes have owned the Cougars. And in the very early years, the Utes completely dominated. BYU and Utah really have each other to thank, at least in a great part, for the success and national attention they get. It is a fun, fun rivalry. I apologize for putting the Utes down. I guess I was a little annoyed with some of the comments being flung around.

    I am a die-hard Cougar fan but I think that Utah is a good school with strengths where BYU is weak (and vice versa). Utah has done great things on the national stage and I hope they prosper in the PAC-12. That way, when BYU beats them (hopefully within the next 10 years), the victory will be that much better! All the best.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 26, 2014 9:47 a.m.

    @Bluto

    Greg Hansen's (Utah State alum) from the Arizona Daily Star is clearly still bitter about BYU not getting an invite.

    "The Pac-10 can use a bump in glamour, and especially one at the bank, but I don't see how Colorado or Utah can help either. I'm aware of the negative variables and politics about adding BYU, but the Cougars have a history, a brand and a presence that neither Utah nor Colorado can touch." -- Greg Hansen: Colorado, possibly Utah won't help Pac-10 much

    His spin is only important to BYU fans:

    "Opinion by Greg Hansen : Cats should thank BYU for exposure"

    "Opinion by Greg Hansen: Hatred of BYU stings for native of Beehive State"

    "Greg Hansen column: Game day at BYU is a unique experience."

    "Greg Hansen column: Gooch keeps going and going for BYU."

    "Greg Hansen column: There's no question: Tuitama better than counterpart at QB-factory BYU."

    "Greg Hansen column: BYU always competes with the big boys."

  • DuckInSLC Sandy, UT
    July 26, 2014 9:59 a.m.

    I just have to say that, while entertaining, it's sad that this rivalry seems so hate-filled and personal. It doesn't have to be that way, and it isn't that way in other rivalries (at least it isn't with Oregon & OSU). To both fanbases: It's football, not life. Neither one of you have been relevant or shown any real success in the last few years. Seeing some Ute fans' comments makes me wish Utah wasn't in the PAC12 (and I never said or thought that before). Seeing some BYU fans' comments makes me understand why no one wants to invite you.

    Dial it down people, it's embarrassing. Entertaining, but embarrassing. To all commentators, no one cares what you did a half century ago or even 5 years ago. Ever heard the phrase, "what have you done for me lately"? Both fanbases here need to familiarize themselves with that phrase because the answer in your cases is nothing. And I've never read so much hatred and vitriol about nothing in my life. I loved this rivalry growing up as a kid here. It's sad what it has been reduced to.

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    July 26, 2014 12:11 p.m.

    DuckinSLC

    It's hilarious that you think you speak for the whole pac 12

  • Blue Cougar Oak Harbor, WA
    July 26, 2014 2:04 p.m.

    Personally, I'm happy to see a break from the Utah-BYU rivalry; too many people take it waaaay too seriously. It's a GAME! It's supposed to be FUN! When it stops being fun it should no longer be played.

  • DuckInSLC Sandy, UT
    July 26, 2014 3:18 p.m.

    sportsfanforlife: "It's hilarious that you think you speak for the whole pac 12".

    Please explain anywhere in my comments where I suggested that's what I think. Was it this: "Seeing some Ute fans' comments makes ME wish Utah wasn't in the PAC12" (capitals added, for obvious reasons). If it isn't obvious let me explain. The above quote is MY opinion, not suggestive that I think anyone else in the PAC12 feels that way.

    Or was it this: "BYU fans' comments makes ME understand why no one wants to invite you". Has BYU been invited or welcomed with open arms and I haven't seen or read about it? So that quote is MY opinion about a veritable fact. Again where was this projecting my voice on, or as being that of the PAC12?

    Wow! Like I said....

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    July 26, 2014 4:20 p.m.

    @bigbadpac12fan...

    "BYU is a probable "W" for pac12 teams?"... LOL... News flash... The Cougs have a better record against pac12 teams over the past 40 years than Utah... BYU is 29-32 (with a National Championship) which is a winning percentage of 47.5%... Utah is 28-53 for a winning percentage of 34.6%...

    In other words, BYU's winning percentage against pac12 teams is about 13% better than the utes... And what really has to be embarrassing for the utes is the fact that BYU still has more total wins against pac12 teams than Utah does despite the fact that Utah has been in the conference for 3 years and they have 20 more games against pac12 opponents than BYU does... ouch.

    Another interesting fact, when comparing BYU against the big bad pac12, BYU and USC are the only two programs that can boast a unanimous poll Championship (which means they didn't share the championship with another school)... BYU in 1984 and USC in 2004... In all fairness though, USC has 3 Co-Championships in this period in 1974, 1978, and 2003... while Washington has a Co-Championship in 1991 and Colorado has a Co-Championship in 1990.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 26, 2014 6:20 p.m.

    "In other words, BYU's winning percentage against pac12 teams is about 13% better than the utes."

    Get back to us when byu plays Pac-12 teams in a back to back weekly grind. They've only ever played against them at random, spanning years. To date byu is 2-5 against The Pac-12, including 2 wins against bottom feeders, getting destroyed at home twice, getting destroyed on a neutral field and going 0-3 against The U, all of which occurred at random and not in a back to back weekly grind. byu would be battling Cal for the basement playing against a full 9 game Pac-12 schedule, make no mistake about it.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    July 26, 2014 7:49 p.m.

    Did you even read my post azutie?

    The utes have been in the conference 3 years, played 20 more games against pac12 opponents over the past 40 years, and STILL don't have as many wins as BYU against those opponents.

    You want to talk about the last 3 years? Okay... BYU is 2-2 against the same pac12 opponents that Utah plays in that time period (a 50% win ratio)... They split with OSU, beat WSU and lost to UW (a team that BYU is 4-4 against over the past 40 years and a team that the ute's have never beaten in that same time period... 0-3).

    On the other hand Utah is 9-18 over the last 3 years against pac12 opponents (a 33% win ratio)...

    So that's a 17% win ratio advantage for the Cougs... ouch.

    It's true that the utes have beaten the Cougs the last four years... big wow... However, in the last 40 years BYU has a 9, 6, and a 4 game win streak... Get back to us if the utes can win 5 more in a row... LOL.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    July 26, 2014 7:54 p.m.

    azute1

    You call playing Washington State and Colorado back-to-back as weekly grind?

    LOL!

    Bottom line:

    Bronco is 9-9 versus PAC 12 teams (50%).
    Kyle is 13-21 versus PAC 12 teams (38%).

    When are Utah fans going to stop with the whiny excuses for losing?

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    July 26, 2014 9:13 p.m.

    I like this new Duck in SLC. I love it that BYU gets to play teams from all over the country with a couple of games each yr. from PAC 12 schools. This makes a lot of sense and cents(better put, dollars from all the BYU fans on the west coast filling the PAC 12 stadiums) to schedule these quality regional teams. Two of my favorite PAC 12-BYU games were the 59-0 game against UCLA a few yrs. ago and the BYU-Oregon Bowl game 7-8 yrs. ago.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 26, 2014 10:23 p.m.

    SportsFan
    Orem, UT
    azute1

    You call playing Washington State and Colorado back-to-back as weekly grind?

    LOL!

    Bottom line:

    Bronco is 9-9 versus PAC 12 teams (50%).
    Kyle is 13-21 versus PAC 12 teams (38%).

    When are Utah fans going to stop with the whiny excuses for losing?

    _______

    Look no further than big brother BYU as the example.

    When are BYU fans going to stop with the whiny excuses for losing to ranked teams?
    And especially on ESPNs dime. Oh Boy! They are getting their money's worth alright.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 26, 2014 11:10 p.m.

    wacpaddled

    BYU played five ranked teams in 2012, yet still managed to go to bowl.

    Utah played two ranked teams in 2012, yet spent the holidays on the couch.

    In 2013, BYU played a tougher schedule than any schedule Utah had ever played, prior to 2013, yet BYU still managed to go to a bowl.

    It's seems that the only whiny excuse makers are the ones living under that crimson bubble on the hill.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    July 26, 2014 11:54 p.m.

    Uteology

    "Nope!.

    1986 #4 ASU (10-1-1 Rose Bowl) beat #8 MI, #14 UCLA, and #16 Washington. They tied (3-7-1) Washington State at home and lost to #11 Arizona on the road.

    2008 #2 Utah (13-0 Sugar Bowl) beat EVERYONE including #6 Alabama, #7 TCU, #18 Oregon State, #25 BYU."

    Wow, Amazing how you didn't tell the whole story. ASU played 6 teams in the top 20 that year. Every team that was ranked was from a Power Conference. Utah's 2008 season only sported 2 teams ranked from Power Conferences. ASU's only loss was to the rival and while they were ranked #14. Interesting to note, ASU beat Utah that year 52 to 7. Keep grasping at straws Uteology. As long as fans from Utah belittle others, you're not going to get much respect from those of us who have been there, done that. See you in November for ASU's guaranteed win since 1978.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 27, 2014 1:39 a.m.

    @ poyman

    "The Cougs have a better record against pac12 teams over the past 40 years than Utah"

    Can you please explain how BYU's 10-6 victory over a 3-win Oregon St. team in 1978 has any impact on whether or not BYU is a "probable win" for PAC-12 teams in 2014?

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    July 27, 2014 9:14 a.m.

    @81Ute

    Nobody takes games played prior to the Modern Era (1950) seriously.
    8 game seasons with games against High Schools and Kearns Rotary are nothing to build your resume on.

    Try again.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    July 27, 2014 12:01 p.m.

    @2fer

    I'm not the one who suggested that BYU was an easy win for big bad pac12 foes... That was offered up by one of the ute faithful... Such a statement implies that history shows BYU to be an easy target for the pac12... The 1978 10-6 victory over the Beavers was just one of 32 examples where the "BYU is an easy Victory for pac12 teams" didn't quite workout...

    Incidentally, also in 1978, BYU beat Oregon 17-16 (another victory included in the 32 that I spoke of and a year where the Ducks struggled 3-8). But then there is 2006 when BYU beat Oregon 30-8 in a year that they went 7-4, and 2009 when the Cougs beat the OSU Beavers 44-20 in a year they went 8-5, and who can forget one of my favorite games in 2008 where the Cougs eeked out a 59-0 victory over a 4-8 UCLA team.

    In short, it appears that BYU might not be that easy win for big bad pac12 teams that the ute fans like to claim... In other words, BYU is no Utah.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 27, 2014 12:08 p.m.

    @ Bluto

    Nobody takes games played longer than 5-10 years ago seriously.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    July 27, 2014 9:37 p.m.

    @2fer

    "Nobody takes games played longer than 5-10 years ago seriously."

    Really???

    So does that mean the ute's 2004 Fiesta Bowl win and their 2008 Sugar Bowl win over Alabama is meaningless?

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 27, 2014 10:29 p.m.

    @ poyman

    Meaningless is the wrong word. They were special seasons, and they helped build the program. But are they relevant to the upcoming season, or will they somehow help Utah win? No.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    July 28, 2014 10:18 a.m.

    2fer

    "Nobody takes games played longer than 5-10 years ago seriously."

    So Utah's game versus Kentucky in the 1998 NCAA final can't be taken "seriously"?

    It's laughable how Utah fans apply one standard of "relevance" when talking about Utah, but use a completely different standard of "relevance" when talking about BYU.

    btw, can you explain how any game in any preceding season will have any impact on any future season?

    It seems from the following example, that even one year is too long for a preceding game to be taken "seriously":

    Utah pulled off a narrow 23-22 upset of BYU in 1978; in 1979, BYU shut the Utes out 27-0, then destroyed Utah 56-6 the following year.

  • Jeremy234 SLC, UT
    July 28, 2014 11:06 a.m.

    As a Utah fan, I'd like to see annual games between the Cougs and us, Zona, and ASU. The Cougs have a tough time scheduling in November, finishing off the year with ASU, UA, Boise, Utah, and USU would get you some respect. I think that it would be fun to see those rivalries renewed. To be honest, I'd also like for those three teams to beat up on each other a little bit earlier in the season as well. Lol.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 28, 2014 11:25 a.m.

    SportsFan:

    "You call playing Washington State and Colorado back-to-back as weekly grind?"

    You DON'T call playing #21 Arizona St, #9 Oregon, WSU, and Colorado a weekly grind? What about #16 UCLA, #11 Stanford, Arizona, and #19 USC? Would THAT be a "weekly grind"?

    For what it's worth, we don't consider USU, Weber St, Ore St, and our midmajorey little brother as a "weekly grind". That's why we went 3-1 vs. THAT stretch, as opposed to 1-3 in the other two.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 28, 2014 11:49 a.m.

    @ Y's little brother

    Like I said, Utah's 1998 season was special and it was a lot of fun. However, that season has done nothing to help Utah win in the PAC, and it will be the same story this upcoming season. Citing accomplishments from years ago and evidence that teams will do things in the future is silly. If Utah wants to win games in 2014, than it is solely up to the 2014 team to put wins together. What happened in 2004, 2008, or even last year doesn't matter anymore. Likewise, it's silly to say that BYU is/isn't an easy win for PAC-12 schools because of its record 40 years ago. I don't see what is hard to understand about that. Nor do I see the hypocrisy you've accused me of. I didn't mention the 98 basketball season, and I never called it relevant.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    July 28, 2014 12:01 p.m.

    navelint

    Spin it however helps you sleep at night, but all you had to do to qualify for a bowl in 2013 was beat two teams that finished the season with losing records - Washington State(6-7) and Colorado(4-8).

    It's hilarious how Utah fans continue to paint that minor achievement as some sort of insurmountable task.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 28, 2014 4:46 p.m.

    Uteanymous
    Salt Lake City, Utah
    wacpaddled

    BYU played five ranked teams in 2012, yet still managed to go to bowl.

    Utah played two ranked teams in 2012, yet spent the holidays on the couch.

    In 2013, BYU played a tougher schedule than any schedule Utah had ever played, prior to 2013, yet BYU still managed to go to a bowl.

    It's seems that the only whiny excuse makers are the ones living under that crimson bubble on the hill.

    ______

    It's easy when BYUs bowl games are prearranged in advance. That's an easy way to save face. Go 1-11 and BYU fans like yourself will still say what a great season you had and deserve to be in a bowl game.

  • ExecutorIoh West Jordan, UT
    July 28, 2014 5:10 p.m.

    With all of the talk about the Power5 conferences doing more for students, I wonder what happens to the teams in the Power5 conferences that can't afford it? Do they opt out, drop out of the conference or what? Ironically, most of the Power5 teams lost money last year (i.e. Utah lost $3M and that is with $10M in subsidies from student fees). Only 23 of the 228 FBS teams in 2013 finished "in the black" and of those 23, only 14 of them did it without subsidies from student fees. Of those 14, half were private universities including Notre Dame & BYU. Yes, BYU operated in the black without subsidies. Who really is ready for changes to college football?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 28, 2014 5:53 p.m.

    Uteology

    "Nope!.

    1986 #4 ASU (10-1-1 Rose Bowl) beat #8 MI, #14 UCLA, and #16 Washington. They tied (3-7-1) Washington State at home and lost to #11 Arizona on the road.

    2008 #2 Utah (13-0 Sugar Bowl) beat EVERYONE including #6 Alabama, #7 TCU, #18 Oregon State, #25 BYU."

    Wow, Amazing how you didn't tell the whole story. ASU played 6 teams in the top 20 that year. Every team that was ranked was from a Power Conference. Utah's 2008 season only sported 2 teams ranked from Power Conferences.

    -----------

    You mean like the whole story you told in your original post that ASU played power programs while Utah played teams like UNLV. And you never mentioned that ASU tied 3-7-1 Washington State.

    Yes ASU did play a significant stronger SOS, I never claimed they didn't.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 28, 2014 6:29 p.m.

    @CougarSunDevil

    Wow, Amazing how you didn't tell the whole story. ASU played 6 teams in the top 20 that year. Every team that was ranked was from a Power Conference. Utah's 2008 season only sported 2 teams ranked from Power Conferences. ASU's only loss was to the rival and while they were ranked #14. Interesting to note, ASU beat Utah that year 52 to 7. Keep grasping at straws Uteology. As long as fans from Utah belittle others, you're not going to get much respect from those of us who have been there, done that. See you in November for ASU's guaranteed win since 1978.

    ------------

    No ASU did not play 6 final ranked teams, they only played 4 (just like Utah 2008). ASU did beat a 2-9 Utah team but they also beat 2-9 Cal 49-0. So what? The most important thing is ASU tied 3-7 Washington State at HOME.

    That's why they were only ranked #5 while Utah in 2008 was ranked AP #2 with 16 first place votes.

    I agree with you ASU played a much tougher schedule, but to claim Utah only beat Bo Diddly Techs is a false statement.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    July 28, 2014 7:51 p.m.

    "Go 1-11 and BYU fans like yourself will still say what a great season you had and deserve to be in a bowl game."

    I bet if Utah went 1-11 with that single win being against BYU some Ute fans would call it a successful season.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 29, 2014 7:47 a.m.

    @ Riverton Cougar

    And most BYU fans would say the win doesn't mean a thing.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    July 29, 2014 12:45 p.m.

    "And most BYU fans would say the win doesn't mean a thing."

    Oh, it certainly means something: the Utes are obsessed with BYU. That is proven every day on the Deseret News comment boards.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 29, 2014 3:10 p.m.

    @ Riverton Cougar

    Yep, BYU fans never flock to Utah threads. Too funny Black Kettle.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    July 31, 2014 10:20 a.m.

    I never said that never do. However, BYU articles are where all the action is at. To suggest otherwise is simply laughable. At the time of me writing this comment, the "Most Commented" feature on the right shows the top 8 articles. This is now too old to be listed, but of the 8 only 2 are Utah articles, and one of those only has 31 comments. Verdict: Utah fans are obsessed with BYU.