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The original BCS busters: Looking back at Utah's Fiesta Bowl championship season

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  • TFUDD SLC, UT
    July 22, 2014 9:56 p.m.

    correction...Brian Johnson didn't win the Sugar Bowl MVP in 2005...it was 2009

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 22, 2014 9:59 p.m.

    I was at the game. I remember Pitt fans talking trash about "who did you beat". Our reply, "After we throttle you, still no one. We want Auburn!".

    Go UTES!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 22, 2014 10:11 p.m.

    Great season and great memories that I'll never forget. Thanks to everyone involved with the 2004 team; and congratulations! You all changed Utah football forever

    Go Utes!

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 22, 2014 10:38 p.m.

    The BCS did everything it could to minimize Utah's year by refusing to match Auburn and Utah when both were undefeated. The did match USC and Texas (I believe) both undefeated and then declared the winner would be the National Champion. Had they matched Utah with Auburn one would have ended the season undefeated - leaving it and the USC/Texas winner as the two undefeated with fans demanding for one more game between the winners for a more valid national champion. Utah's win over Pittsburgh was great and leaving the stadium I felt I had watched the pinnacle of Utah football. Little did I know 2008 would reach a new height!

  • eagle Provo, UT
    July 23, 2014 12:52 a.m.

    I think without question the 2004 team was better. The only game you felt the Utes were really tested in was the game against Air Force, who was actually pretty good that year. They didn't get the sexy opponent in the BCS Bowl game as they did with Bama in 2009 but the stats don't lie, the offense was much better in 2004 and with both Urban and Whit in control of both sides of the ball, this team was darn good.

  • UCONN Storrs, CT
    July 23, 2014 5:00 a.m.

    Who am I sir, USC-Texas was the next season, the 04-05 season was USC-Oklahoma. USC had a very dominant team that year as well, and I think the only team that would've beaten Utah, but Auburn or Oklahoma would've been much more interesting than Pitt.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    July 23, 2014 6:46 a.m.

    The thing I remember about the 2004 Fiesta Bowl-winning team was how incredibly dominant they were in each game. They didn't have a game closer than 14 points. As I watched those games in person, I was struck by the fact that Smith and his offense could easily have scored into the 70's and 80's against most all of the teams they faced. Sheer domination. And I would have given anything to see how the Utes would have stacked up against USC and Auburn. I'm very confident we would have beaten either team. What a year to remember!

    Go Utes!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 23, 2014 7:33 a.m.

    That was an awesome season. Much like the 2008 season, it left me wondering how Utah would have done against the so called National Champion that year. They beat Alabama by more than Florida did in 2008, and didn't lose a game; like Florida did to Ole Miss. Would they have beaten Florida? Maybe, maybe not; we will never know. The BCS was like a really, really good book; with a horrible ending.

    Go Utes!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 23, 2014 7:39 a.m.

    Memorable times, memorable players and coaches. Let's never forget, it was Ronnie-Mac who put the program back on it's feet and it was his recruits that did what they did under Urban and
    Whitt. Go Utes.

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    July 23, 2014 8:10 a.m.

    Who am I sir?

    Utah 2004 only beat three regular season opponents with winning records, none better than 7-5, Utah didn't beat any ranked teams during the regular season, and the Utes were only ranked #6 in the final BCS standings.

    What made U think you deserved a chance to play in the BCS championship game?

  • Brad J West Jordan, UT
    July 23, 2014 8:19 a.m.

    Oh it does not matter it is in the past who cares.

  • pleblian salt lake city, utah
    July 23, 2014 8:22 a.m.

    "The Utes, he continued, were determined to show that the BCS setup was not only unfair but kind of wrong." - Alex Smith

    It has been a while since I have heard from Ute fans on this subject...since about 2008.

    How the view changes from the foot of the throne.

  • Big 12 Call Yet? Ogden, UT
    July 23, 2014 8:23 a.m.

    My sources are also telling me Harvey Langi has already changed his mind again - a couple days at byU was enough!

    Go UTES!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 23, 2014 8:34 a.m.

    pleblian,

    The Utes knocked down the door and forced their way in.

    Your team cites 30 year old accomplishments and grovels about unearned entitlements.

  • Joe Schmoe Orem, UT
    July 23, 2014 8:45 a.m.

    Yeah remember when the utes could make it to a bowl game?

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    July 23, 2014 8:56 a.m.

    Utah may have been the first BCS buster, but Boise State is clearly the best BCS buster. I think head-to-head competition proves that.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    July 23, 2014 8:58 a.m.

    utebusters is right. Beating bad teams in 1984 was way harder.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    July 23, 2014 9:00 a.m.

    Great time, great game,great atmosphere. It was then repeated 4 years later in New Orleans. The Utes and the players made the state proud. Something the state had not seen before and to do it twice in 4 years was incredible!

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    July 23, 2014 9:19 a.m.

    What a great year that was!! The university and its sports programs are still benefiting from what that team accomplished.

  • mufasta American Fork, UT
    July 23, 2014 9:43 a.m.

    That was a great year for the UTES. I enjoyed the reminiscence. Thank you for publishing that story.

  • Ironman SANTA CLARA, UT
    July 23, 2014 9:45 a.m.

    Glory days
    Well they'll pass you by.

    Glory days
    In the wink of a young girl's eye.

    Glory days, glory days.

    -Bruce Springsteen

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 23, 2014 9:45 a.m.

    Joe Schmoe,

    Yeah, remember when your team could beat the Utes?

    Too bad, LaVell is never coming back. lol.

  • mufasta American Fork, UT
    July 23, 2014 9:51 a.m.

    Mormon Ute, you are right, it opened the doors for other teams in the BCS era. Its pretty incredible what the three big teams from Utah have accomplished on the national stage. The state has a great tradition of great football. Im excited for the season to start. Go Utes, Cougs, and Aggies!

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    July 23, 2014 10:02 a.m.

    2004...a season that dreams are made of. The Utah Utes busted the BCS and busted onto the national stage, and now a member of the Pac-12. I never thought this would be possible.

    Exceptional article, Dirk. Thanks!



    Ironman
    SANTA CLARA, UT

    I gave you a 'Like' for that one. The 2004 and 2008 seasons were pivotal in ushering the Utes into the Pac-12. Clearly, the best and brightest glory days for the University of Utah are yet to come.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 23, 2014 10:13 a.m.

    Ironman,

    I'm working on a dream,Though sometimes it feels so far away ...I'm working on a dream,And I know it will be mine someday. Bruce Springsteen.

    Go Utes!

  • John Locke Ivins, , UT
    July 23, 2014 12:29 p.m.

    Well, they finally got the idea when they decided to match Alabama with Utah in the Sugar Bowl in 2009. They thought that Utah would be a patsy for the Tide. I was there, with my family, sitting among Alabama fans, who were totally frustrated.

    Utah should have been ranked number 1 in the nation, being the only team to go undefeated in 2008. TCU, who Utah beat in the regular season beat the Boise State Broncos in the Poinsettia Bowl, but like 2005, they didn't get to be ranked no. 1 in the nation.

    Utah frustrated the heck out of Saban and his crew, 31-17, the same crew that had the no.1 recruiting class in the nation in 2009, went on to win the National Championship, going undefeated.

    Now that they are in the PAC12, Utah kids realize that Utah kids can play with the big boys and are choosing to go out of state (California, Oregon, Washington) to play. Too bad. They will come back to Utah after it is all over and wished they had stayed and played for the home team, but such is the effect of success.

  • 2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0 Ogden, UT
    July 23, 2014 12:51 p.m.

    mufasta,

    No, Utah state and byU haven't accomplished much on the national stage in several decades.

    And no, simply having a top 25 finish is not doing something on the national state - 25 teams do it every year.

    Try doing something that only a couple teams in the nation do(if that) - like go undefeated

    GO UTES!

    Go Pac 12

  • Aurelius maximus Berryville, VA
    July 23, 2014 12:51 p.m.

    It is interesting to note how there is are lot less comments in this article than BYU articles.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    July 23, 2014 1:17 p.m.

    @uteBusters
    "Utah 2004 only beat three regular season opponents with winning records, none better than 7-5, Utah didn't beat any ranked teams during the regular season"

    Sounds like 1984 BYU.

  • Jefe-Ute SLC, UT
    July 23, 2014 2:37 p.m.

    @Big 12 call yet?

    Yeah if only. A lot of people have talked smack on Langi, but I am one fan that would not mind having him stay at Utah. He had one year at Utah as a true freshman and we can't tell anything from that. Good luck to him. At least he finally talked to Whitt.

  • eric2002x Miami, FL
    July 23, 2014 2:51 p.m.

    A BCS Bowl is nice, and I remember being happy for Utah then, and for the Sugar Bowl later. When you get a National Championship and a Heisman Trophy, come back to gloat. In the annals of college football, there is no category for "BCS Buster" and no one will remember in 20 years. But the 1984 undisputed National Championship will always be there and the 1990 Heisman as well (along with a few Outland, Maxwell and Doak Walker awards that no player from Utah has ever even sniffed). But at least your PAC10+2 stickers are nice.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 23, 2014 3:12 p.m.

    @ eric2002

    Yes, what a fantastic season 1984 was. Getting that fast pass to the National Championship* (NC*) .Winning the NC* without beating a single ranked team, by beating only one team with a winning record, and squeaking by a 6-6 Michigan team. What a great NC*. Time to re-fill the time machine Eric!

  • Blue AZ Cougar Chandler, AZ
    July 23, 2014 3:28 p.m.

    Congrats on having 2 BCS victories, as a BYU fan I am genuinely envious of that achievement. However, Utah is a flop in the pac-10.5 (0.5 for Cal, 0.5 for Colorado, 0.5 for utah). What was all that talk about being ready to compete at a higher level? Utah has lost more games than it has won since joining the pac-10.5, something they probably never thought would happen. In fact, Utah's conference record has declined every year since it joined the pac-10.5. Sure, it's a tougher schedule than what you had in the MWC. Sure, it's probably a harder SOS than BYU's. But utah was also the one saying it could handle the pressure, that it was "ready for the big time." Apparently not.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    July 23, 2014 4:15 p.m.

    re: "Utah 2004 only beat three regular season opponents with winning records, none better than 7-5, Utah didn't beat any ranked teams during the regular season, and the Utes were only ranked #6 in the final BCS standings.

    What made U think you deserved a chance to play in the BCS championship game?"

    It's interesting that not a single Utah fan even tried to answer the question; Utah fans can dish criticism, but they obviously can't take it when it's thrown back at them.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    July 23, 2014 4:18 p.m.

    eric2002x,

    The Utes did everything they could those two seasons, same as BYU did in 1984. The difference is the Utes did it twice. You can't fault the Utes for the skewed opinions of the poll voters.

    At least being in the Pac 12 gives us the opportunity to play for a title. How does BYU fit into that?

  • TanMan_101 West Jordan, UT
    July 23, 2014 4:26 p.m.

    eric2002x

    The jealousy is literally oozing out.

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    July 23, 2014 4:30 p.m.

    Schnee

    Re: "Utah 2004 only beat three regular season opponents with winning records, none better than 7-5, Utah didn't beat any ranked teams during the regular season"

    "Sounds like 1984 BYU."

    Truthfully, it doesn't.

    BYU 1984 beat four regular season opponents with winning records, three of them on the road, including Air Force(8-4), which finished #24 in the Final AP poll, and destroyed their bowl opponent, Virginia Tech.

    Although technically unranked, because the AP only "ranked" the Top 20 in 1984, Air Force finished higher in the Final AP poll than Utah's Fiesta Bowl opponent, Pittsburgh, which finished #25 in the Final AP poll.

    Also, unlike the 2004 season, BYU was the only undefeated team in 1984. BYU managed to avoid the upsets that other contenders couldn't.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    July 23, 2014 5:01 p.m.

    @eric

    I enjoyed your humorous post, claiming the 1984 disputed championship was greater than Utah's two BCS bowl victories. Remember, BYU beat a very weak schedule on their way to defeating a 6-6 Michigan team in a minor bowl. But the rules weren't yet in place to stop a non-major team from coming out on top. What Utah did in 2004 was much harder, defeating every time by at least two touchdowns, and then defeating BCS Pittsburgh by four touchdowns in the BCS Fiesta Bowl.

    But the most impressive season by any team in the state was 2008, when Utah defeated four ranked teams on their way to crushing an Alabama team that had been ranked #1 for 5 straight weeks. They beat Alabama farther than did one-loss Florida, who ended up being given the supposed #1 championship only because the power conferences were not about to repeat what happened in 1984.

    By the way, what has BYU done on a national scale over the past three decades?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 23, 2014 5:16 p.m.

    Two BCS bowl wins == PAC 12 conference membership. Big thanks to Urban Meyer for putting the U on the football map.

  • truthsandwich The Bubble, UT
    July 23, 2014 7:57 p.m.

    @Whatsnu

    "BYU was the only undefeated team in 1984. BYU managed to avoid the upsets that other contenders couldn't."

    Because BYU managed to avoid playing any good college football teams. It was the weakest schedule in the entire country.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 23, 2014 9:17 p.m.

    @65TossPowerTrap
    Salmon, ID

    Utah may have been the first BCS buster, but Boise State is clearly the best BCS buster. I think head-to-head competition proves that.

    -------------

    If you did a little research you would know that without Utah's 2004 season, Boise would NEVER have played in a BCS game. Go to the BCS website, under "BCS selections history".

    On that page search for "Other teams qualifying automatically". The ONLY four teams under the original top 6 qualification rule to bust the BCS were:

    1. 2004 No. 6 Utah
    2. 2008 No. 6 Utah
    3. 2009 No. 3 TCU
    3. 2010 No. 4 TCU

    "Prior to 2005, non-BCS schools had to finish in the top six to get an automatic berth. That meant the likes of Tulane (12-0, No. 10 in 1998) and Marshall (13-0, No. 12 in 1999) didn't get a shot. Utah did break through, finishing sixth in 2004."

    -- Denis Dodd (CBS)

    Boise State was never ranked in the top 6 in the BCS, only when the rule changed to top 12 did they qualify. What about BYU? Well even a top 12 standard was too much of a hurdle.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 23, 2014 9:23 p.m.

    Schnee
    Salt Lake City, UT

    @uteBusters
    "Utah 2004 only beat three regular season opponents with winning records, none better than 7-5, Utah didn't beat any ranked teams during the regular season"

    Sounds like 1984 BYU.

    -------------

    No it doesn't. We actually beat a final ranked team.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 23, 2014 9:27 p.m.

    @Whatsnu

    Although technically unranked, because the AP only "ranked" the Top 20 in 1984, Air Force finished higher in the Final AP poll than Utah's Fiesta Bowl opponent, Pittsburgh, which finished #25 in the Final AP poll.

    -----------

    WRONG!

    * Air Force was tied with Notre Dame with 26 votes each and un-ranked in the final poll.

    * Utah throttled AP #19 Pitt who dropped to final AP #25 with 99 votes.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    July 23, 2014 9:29 p.m.

    GoRed

    "I enjoyed your humorous post, claiming the 1984 disputed championship was greater than Utah's two BCS bowl victories."

    LOL!

    Don't kid yourself.

    We all know that there isn't a Utah fan alive who wouldn't trades Utah's Fiesta and Sugar Bowl trophies for a Crystal Football National Championship trophy in a heart beat.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 23, 2014 9:37 p.m.

    @ truthsandwich

    Lets not exaggerate. It was the second weakest schedule in the entire country...

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 23, 2014 10:08 p.m.

    @uteBusters

    Did I say we deserved to play in the championship game? I said the BCS pairings matched two undefeated teams but refused to match up the other two undefeated teams! Why because there would then have been two undefeated teams which would have beaten the only other two undefeated teams. If they had and Utah happened to beat Auburn then their credentials would have been much improved and fans would have wanted a clear national champion but by matching Utah up with the Big East champion - Pittsburgh fans could claim Utah did not really beat anybody much like you are saying now.
    This is the same logic that they used in pairing TCU and Boise State in a BCS bowl. They avoided the embarrassment of two small conference champions beating more high profile and they could claim that the winner had only beaten another non BCS team.
    That is why it is so impressive Utah, Boise State, and TCU were able to rise above all efforts of the BCS system to "hold them down". And all three earned invitations to BCS conferences.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 23, 2014 11:07 p.m.

    U's little brother:

    "We all know that there isn't a Utah fan alive who wouldn't trades Utah's Fiesta and Sugar Bowl trophies for a Crystal Football National Championship trophy in a heart beat."

    Don't be too sure about that. I doubt that there would be many Ute fans who would trade even ONE BCS bowl trophy for a Crystal one if it meant having to constantly try to white-out the asterisk assigned to it, on account of having not actually "earning" it. You "backed in" to that title, and it's considered one of the most laughable titles in the history of college football. And that has to be pretty embarrassing.

    On the other hand, Ute fans have nothing to be embarrassed about for 2004 or 2008. We still get to hold our heads high. Cougar fans can only fantasize about that. I wouldn't be surprised if there would be a large (albeit embarrassingly silent) contingency of Y fans who would trade happily trade places with Utah.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 23, 2014 11:29 p.m.

    @ Y's little brother

    I wouldn't trade Utah two BCS seasons for BYU's 1984 season.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 24, 2014 7:53 a.m.

    Big Picture Comparison

    BYU 1979 to 1984
    66-9(88%), 5 Top 12 Finishes, 2 Top 7 Finishes, 6 Conf Champions, 6 Bowls, 1 National Champion

    Utah 1999 to 2004
    48-22(69%), 1 Top 12 Finish, 1 Top 7 Finish, 3 Conf Champions, 4 Bowls, 0 National Champions

    BYU 1984 beat Tulsa(6-5) at home, and Hawaii(7-4), Air Force(8-4), and Utah(6-5-1) on the road

    Utah 2004 beat Texas A&M(7-5) at home, New Mexico(7-5) and Wyoming(7-5) on the road, and Pittsburgh(8-4) at a neutral site

    1984 BYU's toughest opponent, Air Force(8-4), finished tied with Notre Dame at #24 in the Final AP poll, and beat Va Tech(8-4) 23-7 in their bowl game

    2004 Utah's toughest opponent, Pittsburgh(8-4), finished #25 in the Final AP poll, and lost to Utah 7-35 in their bowl game

    BYU finished 1984 on a 24-game winning streak, including 3 opponents that finished #13, #17 and #24 in the final AP poll

    Utah finished 2004 on a 16-game winning streak, including 1 opponent that finished #25 in the final AP poll

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    July 24, 2014 8:03 a.m.

    gored

    "The thing I remember about the 2004 Fiesta Bowl-winning team was how incredibly dominant they were in each game."

    Unfortunately for U, the BCS didn't even allow point differential to be considered.

    As Sagarin puts it:

    "In PURE_ELO, only winning and losing matters; the score margin is of no consequence... The PURE_ELO will be used by the BCS."

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    July 24, 2014 8:08 a.m.

    Every one seen we done it once so we can do it again this year.

    Go Utes!

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    July 24, 2014 8:14 a.m.

    Who am I sir?

    "The BCS did everything it could to minimize Utah's year by refusing to match Auburn and Utah when both were undefeated."

    Many Utah fans felt that way, but the truth is, after selecting to the top two teams to play in the BCS championship game, the other BCS bowls simply followed a predetermined rotation in picking their bowl participants.

    Unfortunately for U, the Fiesta Bowl drew the short straw with the very last pick and was forced to take the auto-bid team from the Big East. Pittsburgh actually finished in a four-way tie for first in the Big East, but won the auto-bid on tie breakers.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    July 24, 2014 8:22 a.m.

    2fer

    "I wouldn't trade Utah two BCS seasons for BYU's 1984 season."

    Here's a clue:

    One Crystal Football National Championship Trophy > however many "also ran bowl" trophies U want to compare it to.

    You can spin it however helps you sleep at night, but the most important and elite list in major college football is the list of Major College Football National Champions, which includes BYU.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 24, 2014 8:51 a.m.

    I'm with 2 for flinching and Naval Vet, there is no way I would rather have a National Championsip (**, +) won by default vs Sugar and Fiesta bowl, undefeated seasons. BYU loves playing weak schedules winning imaginary titles and going to weak bowls (Miami Beach Blanket Bowl), then claiming that they actually accomplished something.

    ** Weakest regular season of any National Champion. One team with a winning record.
    + Weakest Bowl opponent (Michigan 6-6) of any National Champion.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 24, 2014 9:38 a.m.

    "You can spin it however helps you sleep at night, but the most important and elite list in major college football is the list of Major College Football National Champions, which includes BYU."

    I googled "Major College Football National Champions" and found that 2008 Utah IS on that list.

    Then I googled "Bowl Championship Series". Utah was on that list too. Twice!...No mention of byu though.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    July 24, 2014 9:47 a.m.

    The "original BCS busters" ended the BCS era without a national championship, but they have started a nifty collection of SOS trophies.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 24, 2014 11:56 a.m.

    That was a very special team that played a tough schedule and a very tough bowl opponenet from the premier conference in college football. It's too bad it was 6 years ago and the last two seasons have been so dissapointing. Oh well, at least Utah fans haven't been reduced to bragging about a National Championship, won by default, 30 years ago. Oh the Horror. How sad to have nothing to look forward but the possible bid in the Beach Blanket Bingo Bowl. The bid that can be won by beating up on weak competition.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 24, 2014 12:05 p.m.

    @Just the FAX: "Big Picture Comparison"

    -------------

    SOS Rankings:
    1984 BYU #104
    2004 Utah 58

    Another muti-year to 1984 title argument? Robbie Bosco disagrees with you, under the BCS system BYU would have been ranked around #5. For example, Boise State 2002-2009 to 2010 14-0 and they could only pull off a #4 final ranking. They couldn't even match Utah's 2008 #2 (16 first place votes) team.

    @talkinsports: "But the most important and elite list in major college football is the list of Major College Football National Champions"

    The other Y (aka Yale) disagrees.

  • KYUte Louisville, KY
    July 24, 2014 12:59 p.m.

    1984

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    July 24, 2014 1:55 p.m.

    Ten years from now U guys will probably still be reminiscing about 2004, 2008 as proof U were ever relevant on the national landscape.

    And at the same time U will be chiding BYU fans about living in the past.

    And Colorado still won't be the hated rival to obsess over.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 24, 2014 3:03 p.m.

    ekute

    lol at your frantic attempt to rationalize some sort of national championship relevance for Utah

    Total Major College Football National Championship selections by major selectors:

    BYU - 1

    Utah - none

    -----------

    National Championships recognized by Major selectors:

    BYU - Associated Press (AP), Football Writers Association of America, National Football Foundation, United Press International (UPI), USA Today/CNN

    Utah - none

    -----------

    National Championships recognized by Minor selectors:

    BYU - National Championship Foundation, Billingsley Report, College Football Researchers Association, Poling System, Sagarin Ratings, and Sports Illustrated

    Utah - Anderson & Hester, Massey College Football Ratings, and Wolfe

    -----------

    If you search hard enough, you might even be able to find a couple of Utah fan websites that also recognized Utah as a football national champion.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    July 24, 2014 3:08 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    It's laughable that you're forced to make stuff up to help you sleep at night.

    BYU 1984 beat FOUR regular season opponents with winning records:
    Tulsa(6-5) at home, and Hawaii(7-4), Air Force(8-4), and Utah(6-5-1) on the road

    Utah 2004 beat THREE regular season opponents with winning records:
    Texas A&M(7-5) at home, New Mexico(7-5) and Wyoming(7-5) on the road, and Pittsburgh(8-4) at a neutral site

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 24, 2014 3:59 p.m.

    @ talkinsports

    I'm not trying to spin anything. I, personally, would take the two BCS trophies (and the conf. upgrade that came with it) over BYU's 1984 title.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 24, 2014 4:17 p.m.

    Ute euphoria is funny to witness, especially after a 5th place prediction in the south division.

    Live it up Utes, these are the best times... then the season begins.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 24, 2014 6:01 p.m.

    Joe Schmoe
    Orem, UT

    Yeah remember when the utes could make it to a bowl game?

    -----------

    Yes, 2 years ago.

    Remember when the Cougars could actually beat a bowl-less Utah team?

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 24, 2014 11:36 p.m.

    byu "fan" euphoria over a prediction that Utes will finish 5th in the southern division is funny to witness. So is the euphoria over a prearranged beach bowl. lol.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    July 25, 2014 11:25 a.m.

    Thanks byU "fans" for flocking to yet another Utah article.

    We deeply appreciate your obsession with all things Utah.

    Come back anytime, you are indeed entertaining!!

    Go Utes! THE original BCS Busters!!

  • Samurai Jake Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2014 12:04 p.m.

    Utah Utes were original and best BCS buster. Boise's Not A State won neck and neck game versus Oklahoma on trick play, but had no chance without Utah paving way by destroying Big East Pitt, a mismatch from the get go.

    This year will be Ute's break out PAC 12 season. Respect process. Wax on, wax off. Banzai!

  • KYUte Louisville, KY
    July 25, 2014 1:29 p.m.

    2008 > 2004 > 1984. No logical, rational thinking sports fan can dispute this fact.
    Yes, the 1984 Cougs were a good football team who did great things but, the Utes had a much stronger resume in both 2004 and 2008 and left NO doubts that they belonged.
    The Utes throttled Pitt 35-7 going into the 4th quarter.
    The Utes embarrassed Alabama even more by taking a 21-0 lead in the 1st quarter. The Utes held Alabama to 208 total yards with only 31 rushing yards. This was the same Alabama team that went 8-0 in SEC play and averaged 150+ rushing yards per game.
    There is no doubt that Utah was more dominant in 2004 and 2008 than BYU was in 1984.
    The only difference is that in 1984, going undefeated was rewarded with a *NC and the legendary comment from Barry Switzer about their "Bo Diddley Tech" schedule.
    The Utes were awarded 2 BCS trophies, the title of "Original BCS Buster" and are credited with paving the way for Boise St. and TCU. The Utes also were able to humiliate Barry Switzer and make him eat crow on national television.
    The Utes accomplished more in 2004 and 2008 than BYU did in 1984.

  • CBAX Provo, UT
    July 26, 2014 2:13 p.m.

    Time for people to mark this down:

    If Utah can get past the BYU centric team (since they don't play the Y this year this is good) then they will be in top competition for their division title.

    It seems like Utah has been getting up to beat BYU then throws games they should win in the PAC