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Conference title games a point of contention for Big 12's Bob Bowlsby, Florida State's Jimbo Fisher

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  • LifeLibertyHappiness Draper, UT
    July 21, 2014 9:59 p.m.

    Finally a coach speaking out against this silly Power 5 deal. It will ultimately hurt college football. What if basketball did the same thing? Think of all the amazing games we would miss. Coach Fisher sees the same thing. It will cause teams to not even try to break in going forward. The Power 5 is all about keeping the money and power. It is not the spirit of amateur athletics. Shameful that the NCAA is allowing this to happen.

  • 32843 PROVO, UT
    July 21, 2014 10:44 p.m.

    That's fine, Big 12, you have the same chance of getting a team into the four team playoff as all the other mid-major conferences. That is, your "champion" only has to go undefeated and have a SOS comparable to the other top teams under consideration. Lose a game, though, you're on the outside looking in.

  • 32843 PROVO, UT
    July 21, 2014 10:44 p.m.

    Big 12 is trying to eat its cake and have it, too. It's trying to convince those who know better that since they have a round robin each season it's the same as a conference championship. It's not the samething. It's about the money. It want's to keep paying out as much money among its 10 member schools and are willing to take the chance of missing out on playing in the new world order of college football in the hopes that the NCAA will ultimately see things their way. The problem is that Jimbo Fisher isn't the only coach who feels the way he does. I'm willing to bet that the majority of P5 coaches in the other conferences feel the way Fisher does. If that's the case, the Big 12 may have a rude awakening in the coming years.

  • 2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0 Ogden, UT
    July 22, 2014 11:06 a.m.

    The Big 12 wants a title game, they've made it clear. They even asked for an exception in having a title game with only 12 teams.

    They are just unfortunate in that there isn't a single worthy team to add to get to 12 in the entire country that isn't already in a power conference.

    They aren't going to add a nobody WAC mid major just to get to 12, and I don't blame them

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    July 22, 2014 1:05 p.m.

    Funny how this is listed as a "byU" story. If anything, it is a Utah story:

    “It’s the way your Louisville’s and TCU’s and Utah’s and all those programs were able to get in those kinds of games and evolve their programs into elite programs."

  • Michael W Everett, WA
    July 22, 2014 1:39 p.m.

    This story was listed as a BYU story to make sure more Utah fans would read it.

  • Mikeylikesit Davis, UT
    July 22, 2014 1:52 p.m.

    VU
    The Dnews has figured out how to get you all to read a story.

  • DuckOuttaWater SLC , UT
    July 22, 2014 2:40 p.m.

    2013 Ute Seniors:
    "They aren't going to add a nobody WAC mid major just to get to 12, and I don't blame them"

    Many BYU fans would say, "why not, the PAC12 did", and I "(wouldn't) blame them". BYU is actually a bigger brand than Utah so I don't believe it was anything mid major or WAC about them that kept them out and got Utah in. I like having Utah in the PAC12 but don't wear out your welcome with statements like this. Be humble and grateful you're in, and hope for the rivalry sake that BYU eventually gets in.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    July 22, 2014 3:17 p.m.

    Conferences not playing the same number of conference games is a much bigger problem than the Big 12 not having a CCG.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 22, 2014 10:27 p.m.

    @ DuckOuttaWater

    Try not to pay attention to him. He's not a Utah fan. Unfortunately, he's just a BYU hater.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    July 22, 2014 11:28 p.m.

    It's laughable how even Utah fans admit that BYU's religious culture and no Sunday play are the primary reasons why BYU isn't already in a P5 conference, yet they continue to spew their BYU-hating narrative that BYU's admission to a P5 conference is somehow a reflection of the quality of BYU's athletic programs.

    Nothing could be further from the truth.

  • docdages WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    July 23, 2014 9:32 a.m.

    2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0.

    Please get your facts straight as your statement factually incorrect. "The Big 12 wants a title game, they've made it clear. They even asked for an exception in having a title game with only 12 teams." The Big 12 only has 10 teams and as it stands does not qualify for a championship game. They have asked for an exception with the NCAA to have a championship game with only 10 teams.

    This is not Rocket Science folks! It is all about the money. The Big 12 does not want to split up the pile of money 12 ways . It means less money per team. Once the Power 5 get to govern themselves one of two things will happen: Have all conferences move to 16 teams or have all conferences move to 12 and have a conference championship. I am leaning toward the 16 teams in a conference which will force everyone to play 8 conference games, 4 non conference games (non power 5 conference teams) and every conference will have a conference championship game.

  • DuckOuttaWater SLC , UT
    July 23, 2014 9:40 a.m.

    SoonerUte: I agree to some extent but as a PAC12 fan it kinda upsets me that our guys have to have "an extra playoff game" as Jimbo put it, while the Big 12 doesn't. I just don't think the other P5 conferences will let the Big 12 get away with being the odd man out for long. Things need to be fair and consistent.

    Two For Flinching: good to know, thanks for the heads up.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 23, 2014 10:06 a.m.

    @2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0 - "The Big 12 wants a title game, they've made it clear."

    Really? Please show me where they've made it clear. This article is clear that the Big12 does not want a title game which mirrors everything I've read or heard.

    The current system will not last long, with 5 conferences and 4 playoff spots. And what will happen when Boise State or BYU or any non-"power" conference school is undefeated and ranked in the Top 4?

    I expect another round of realignment in the next 2 - 3 years, and expect it to be towards 16 teams. The Big12 will determine how the future looks for not only themselves, but also for the PAC, the ACC and even SEC.

    Will four teams defect to the PAC12, leaving the Big12 in chaos? Or could the PAC pick off six teams from the BIG12 and leave Utah and Colorado on the outside? There are 6 teams that add more value than Utah or Colorado.

    Or will the Big 12 try to pick off six other teams? Either way creates chaos.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    July 23, 2014 10:21 a.m.

    DuckOutta Water "I agree to some extent but as a PAC12 fan it kinda upsets me that our guys have to have "an extra playoff game"
    Agreed. The PAC12 and Big10? have the most on the line with an extra game.

    The full Jimbo quote was about everyone needs to be the same (season and CCG). Only the CCG part made the headline since that appeals locally.

    I'd like to see all conferences agree to play 10 P5-level regular season games and all have a CCG or none have a CCG. Requiring a non-conference P5 opponent (i.e. cross-conference matchups) makes football interesting.

    They'll get there. The 65 are set. All the P5 conferences are stable and onboard with the playoffs. Details will shake out over the next couple of years.

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    July 23, 2014 11:16 a.m.

    Cordon Bleu "It's laughable how even Utah fans admit that BYU's religious culture and no Sunday play are the primary reasons why BYU isn't already in a P5 conference, yet they continue to spew their BYU-hating narrative that BYU's admission to a P5 conference is somehow a reflection of the quality of BYU's athletic programs.
    Nothing could be further from the truth."

    How many undefeated seasons has BYU had the past 10 years? 15 years? 20 years?
    How many BCS Bowl invites?

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    July 23, 2014 1:04 p.m.

    Stringer Bell

    How many 11+ win, AP/Coaches Top 15 seasons has Utah had the past 10 years? 15 years? 20 years?, or EVER?

    Since 2006
    BYU - 3
    Utah - 2

    Lifetime
    BYU - 11
    Utah - 2

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    How many AP Top 25 Finishes?

    Since 2006
    BYU - 4
    Utah - 2

    Lifetime
    BYU - 17
    Utah - 5

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    The reason Utah fans obsess about the "bcs" isn't because it's more "relevant", it's because 2004 and 2008 are the only 11+ win, Top 25, conference championship seasons U have in your entire history.

    The Utes didn't even crack the AP Top 25 until 1994, and even then, you weren't good enough to win a WAC championship.

    Face it, the Utes weren't invited to the PAC because of a couple of flash-in-the-pan seasons. They were invited because they added a geographically contiguous, mid-sized television market to the PAC footprint, without the "discomfort" of having to associate with a religiously-based institution, regardless of the quality of their athletic program.

  • DuckOuttaWater SLC , UT
    July 23, 2014 2:11 p.m.

    Sooner Ute:
    I agree with everything you said. It just needs to be consistent and fair between conferences. We play nine games while the SEC and ACC refuse to go to nine. Then the Big 12 plays nine by default because they only have ten teams. Make it even and make it fair. I know many others feel the same way Jimbo does, that's why the Big 12 will be essentially pressured into expansion at some point. Everything I've read though says they'll be looking east.

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    July 23, 2014 3:44 p.m.

    CougFaninTX
    Frisco, TX

    Will four teams defect to the PAC12, leaving the Big12 in chaos? Or could the PAC pick off six teams from the BIG12 and leave Utah and Colorado on the outside? There are 6 teams that add more value than Utah or Colorado.

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    Sorry to dash your bloo-goggled fantasy, but... nope.

    Realignment has never included, and never will include expulsion of any team from any conference.

    I know your fantasy is for Utah to get kicked out and have BYU replace them in the Pac 12. But actually making that public and talking like that's a real possibility only shows your total lack of football acumen.

    LOL

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    July 23, 2014 5:46 p.m.

    Tomahawk Red

    "Realignment has never included, and never will include expulsion of any team from any conference."

    Sorry to burst your crimson-colored balloon, but the Temple football program was a member of the Big East Conference until its expulsion after the 2004 season due to a variety of program shortcomings.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    July 23, 2014 6:38 p.m.

    It would be nice if the path to selection for the playoff were as uniform as possible, however the scary part of the whole selection process is that they are admittedly moving away from objective criteria and permitting more subjectivity.

    The example used repeatedly by the director is that the committee wants to be able to take into account the fact that a team's starting left tackle was injured when they lost a game.

    If the process is going to throw the whole thing open to rampant subjectivity so losses can be rationalize away (players missing games because of injury, suspension)the whole thing risks becoming a popularity contest.

    This year for example, if it comes down to choosing between an 11-1 PAC-12 conference champion and FSU at 10-2 as the ACC champion (and their QB was injured and missed both of the games they lost), it appears that the committe would feel justified in selecting FSU. While plenty of folks would like to see the defending champion in the playoff, should the committee be in the business of rationalizing away what happens on the field?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 23, 2014 9:46 p.m.

    Whatsnu:

    Sorry to smash your blue-goggled lenses, but the Big East had a different set of bylaws than the Pac-12. In the Pac-12, one can't be expelled for such program shortcomings.

    Bottom line: We're in for as long as we want to be, or for as long as the league continues to operate as a going concern.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    July 24, 2014 9:13 p.m.

    I like conference championship games, but I think every conference in the running for the 4-team playoffs need to have the same number of teams with two divisions. The way it is now, a big can of worms is going be opened when the Big 12 is left out because they came up one game short. That conference would have to have an undefeated team in order to be included. In fact, other conference champions with one loss could go before them. Then what happens with a "so called" lower tier conference team happens to go undefeated and ranked ahead of the Big 12. The Big 12 gets left out again. And if BYU goes undefeated, well, you're right back where this whole thing started in the first place. The big shots of college football don't like someone from outside the circle winning what they think they deserve.