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  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    July 20, 2014 12:43 a.m.

    The same could of been said about Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, etc.

  • E Sam Provo, UT
    July 20, 2014 2:26 a.m.

    Plus, I've gained ten pounds since he became President, and our cat also died. Darn that Obama! To be serious for a second, though, what you really mean is, this is a President who supports policies you disagree with. That's it. That's all.

  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    July 20, 2014 6:33 a.m.

    This "letter" misses the mark.
    This is a poorly written piece that doesn't reference anything in the spot-on and well-written article by Richard Davis.
    This letter reminds me of the spoiled child who covers his ears and protests "na, na, na, na...I can't hear you!"

    President Obama won the National election twice, very convincingly, but that is completely overlooked by people who just can't accept the basic rules by which we all play. Self-righteousness is a character flaw and is also frowned upon by religious leadership.

    From what I see and hear, Patriotism is not a Utah thing and (R)-Mike Lee's assertion that Utahns have an "extra gene" of patriotism is demonstrably false by the support shown for OUR President. In my opinion, many Utahns have an "extra gene" of self righteousness and then another extra gene of "poor sportsmanship"

    P.S. I am extremely proud of our President! Our Nation will continue to recover from the disasters created from the previous administration when Barack Obama hands over the reigns to the next president (who will also be a Democrat.)

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    July 20, 2014 6:46 a.m.

    Short but interesting thought but not very original. During the Bush years the moral fiber of America deteriorated. After the false tragedy 911 Bush leans over the podium and tells America to go shopping and shopping they did go! Bigger homes and bigger cars and bigger life style. It was like a scene cut right from Roman history. Everyone was busy shopping and buying that our constitution was molested, Homeland Security Act and PATRIOT Act was passed without notice. When it all came crashing down who gave Wall Street (the greediest of the greedy)a bail out? The porn industry grew so much during the Bush years that they even asked for Government assistance for their failing industry. Two wars and Bush never attended one funeral, crashing economy and illegal aliens flooding our country with cheap labor and then the party was over and Bush was gone. Clean up the mess Obama and take the blame for the sickest era in American history.

    You see Joseph Conrad your letter does not mean anything to those of us who tried to stop the horrors as our country fell during the Bush years.

  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    July 20, 2014 7:05 a.m.

    I thought the same things when Bush the second was President, and the country survived.

    I appreciate the fear and loathing you have of Obama, however misplaced. However, the country will survive and indeed has flourished for a great many.

    Don't worry so much, in a couple of years you will have a chance to elect a new President. In the meantime, try a little thought reflection. I found it most useful during the Bush years, and most especially at the end of his term when the economic world fell apart.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    July 20, 2014 7:30 a.m.

    Couldn't disagree more.

    His foreign policy has proved to be enormously effective..unless you are looking for a bully and more war.

    His spending stopped a depression and he has now cut deficit spending by three quarters. The annual deficit will be less than it was a year before he took office.

    The scandals and cover ups...all faux scandals. Nothing covered up in Benghazi, nothing covered up with IRS. Nothing to fast and furious. Republicans have investigated them until the microphones are worn out and nothing...nothing.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    July 20, 2014 7:39 a.m.

    I recently took my family to see the Dinesh D'Souza movie "America". Most compelling for me was something Abraham Lincoln said on the back of a train as he left Springfield, Illinois for Washington DC on Jan 27, 1838 to be our President and occupy the White House, He was overwhelmed with the task before him of a much devided nation. "If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide." A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within. Do yourself a favor and go see the movie! You will learn much!

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    July 20, 2014 8:09 a.m.

    I wonder how many people don't complain com paired to the people who do. I wouldn't complain, I simply don't buy it again. So how exactly do we get these guys a second time.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    July 20, 2014 9:13 a.m.

    @Mountanman
    Hayden, ID

    You know -- Abraham Lincoln was a Progressive Liberal - Don't you?

    BTW-- Pres.Obama is facing a similar divided America that Lincoln did.
    Liberal vs. Conservative...same, same.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    July 20, 2014 9:50 a.m.

    @ MM

    Dinesh D'Souza is the right's Michael Moore. Watch his stuff to be entertained, not informed.

    So what's the solution?

    The right has made it no secret that they hate Obama. So one would think that if Obama really was the train wreck he's accused of being, that the right would have no problem finding a candidate that could beat him.

    So why has it been impossible to beat him? Why is the right looking at 16+ years of straight democrat rule?

    Is it because people just don't understand the right's awesomeness?

    Is it because McCain, Palin, Romney, and now Bush are just so awesome?

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 20, 2014 9:55 a.m.

    Again the DN publishes a letter without any basis. This behavior is not worthy of good members of my Church. I am glad that the DN published the original letter by Richard Davis. That letter was the talk around town because it was so shocking to see the DN actually print something well written and not belittling. Mr. Davis had a well reasoned letter. This was done by an honest educated man about the state of our support for our duly elected President.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    July 20, 2014 10:00 a.m.

    Does the right want more cheese with its whine today?

    All I get out of this letter is more sour grapes about Romney losing. Too bad so sad.

    Actually provide a candidate next time. The right hasn't come close to winning an election in quite some time!

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    July 20, 2014 10:09 a.m.

    The "progressive liberals" of Lincoln's time were nothing like the progressive liberals of today. Lincoln was not a liar. Obama doesn't know the meaning of the word, "truth". Lincoln had integrity. Obama measures integrity by how many votes it would bring - you can keep your insurance - you can keep your doctor - it will save each family $2,500 a year - I'll cut the deficit in half. Lincoln tried to bind up the wounds and reunite a divided nation. Obama pits white against black, poor against rich, lazy against those who work. Lincoln would have recoiled against people calling for same sex marriage. Obama is their champion. Lincoln would have protected the unborn. Obama wants even those babies who survive a partial birth abortion to receive no medical help. Lincoln did everything he could to help the vets. Obama puts them on a two-year waiting list.

    Obama is no Lincoln. Lincoln would have had no use for Obama.

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    July 20, 2014 10:11 a.m.

    I can't think of one major economic or social statistic, from the national murder rate, to the yearly budget deficit, that hasn't improved under President Obama.

    The only thing that is seems to have declined is the civility, and credibility of the "loyal" opposition.

  • Lightbearer Brigham City, UT
    July 20, 2014 10:11 a.m.

    Re: "Most compelling for me was something Abraham Lincoln said on the back of a train as he left Springfield, Illinois for Washington DC on Jan 27, 1838 to be our President and occupy the White House."

    So Lincoln left for Washington to be president and occupy the White House 22 years before he was elected (in 1860)?

    He wasn't even elected to Congress till 1846.

    Re: "Do yourself a favor and go see the movie!"

    Or read the review at "Forbes" (Conservapedia lists "Forbes" as a conservative magazine). To quote just one line: "All of this would be scary if D'Souza's documentary were at all grounded in reality."

    Re: "You will learn much!"

    But in light of the 20-some-odd-year mistake on Lincoln's departure for Washington to become president, how much of it will be true?

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    July 20, 2014 11:28 a.m.

    Was this letter delayed in the mail for something like seven years?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    July 20, 2014 11:37 a.m.

    "We have weak foreign and domestic policies, extremely excessive spending, lying, cover-ups and scandals, disregard for the Constitution and a deterioration of our moral fiber"

    And yet Christ still managed to set the example of how a Christian should act in circumstance far worse than anything imagined by today's self persecuted and victimized crowd. All I hear is incessant moaning and nashing of teeth because of the unbearable conditions we live in today.... and it makes one wonder what our own forefathers would say to our protestations, when they endured far greater hardships, and violations of their rights and liberties.

    We live in a day of far greater freedoms than in any other time in history.... and we as a people act with contempt and selfishness. A true reading and understanding of history would help many understand the many blessing and freedoms they enjoy that few before them ever imagined possible.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    July 20, 2014 12:45 p.m.

    I could enumerate a number of reasons why people around here vote the way they do, and don't like the President. They wouldn't get published here, no matter how close to the truth.

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    July 20, 2014 12:48 p.m.

    Wow, I am amazed that anyone could think Pres. Obama's foreign policy is a success. The US has alienated most of our allies. The militant wing of Islam is spending faster than ever. China is bullying its neighbors. We renigged on an agreement with Poland to base defensive missles there. Russia annexes a large chunk of Ukraine and Obama cannot even convince the European countries to enact any meaningful sanctions. Even Europeans who did not like Bush acknowledge that at least Bush would do what he said he would do. The US credibility has sunk to new lows. If your goal for foreign policy is to neuter the U.S., yep quite a success.

    This is an administration that has run in campaign mode for 6 years and now has no clue how to govern.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    July 20, 2014 12:48 p.m.

    To those that say that Bush was so much worse than Obama, how was he worse? The only way that Bush was better was because the magnitude of his programs was less than Obama's. They both are doing the EXACT same things. Bush and Obama are Progressives that think government can make things better. If you think that Bush was so much worse than Obama, how are they different besides race and political party? Bush and Obama are the same.

    To "airnaut" actually, Lincoln was a conservative libertarian. A Progressive Liberal would have spent massive amounts of money on failed programs to free the slaves, and then wouldn't be able to figure out why there was still slavery after spending all that money.

  • PeanutGallery Salt Lake City, UT
    July 20, 2014 1:20 p.m.

    Joseph Conrad: Great letter. I agree. President Obama is the most destructive president in our nation’s history. Richard Davis’s op-ed mainly said that the president is a decent guy in his personal life, so LDS should support him. That’s a pretty weak argument. Anyone who truly respects and reveres the Constitution would be appalled at Obama’s regular attacks against it. Freedom is taking a serious hit under his watch.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 20, 2014 2:10 p.m.

    The most obvious thing about the Obama presidency is that he is not taking this country anywhere, in any direction. The party of NO and others who would see our nation die before accepting a black president have shut down all progress of the promises make by Mr. Obama.

    Radio and TV has been in a feeding frenzy of hate since the very beginning of his presidency. It is likely that never before in our history has so much hate and phony accusations been directed toward an American.

    The obvious result is that President Obama has no standing in the international theatre and is then criticized for have not effect.

    But the truth is, it is all phony and has no basis. If he has done something wrong, bring the charges and settle it in court.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    July 20, 2014 2:35 p.m.

    Mr. Richards --- you say Lincoln was not a liar. True. But even a very short scan of history will show you literally thousands of times when news of the day accused him of lying.

    The same is true of Obama today. It's actually those who accuse Obama of lying who are doing the lying.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    July 20, 2014 3:11 p.m.

    "Most compelling for me was something Abraham Lincoln said on the back of a train as he left Springfield, Illinois for Washington DC on Jan 27, 1838 to be our President and occupy the White House"

    So President Lincoln had been president for 23 years prior to the Civil War breaking out in 1861? So he had almost served 6 terms before the Civil War broke out?

    Gee, what other "facts" await us at this movie?

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    July 20, 2014 3:24 p.m.

    Really Redshirt? They are doing the "exact same things"? So you are acknowledging the criticism of Obama from the right wing as disingenuous?

    Your view of Bush as a progressive only makes you something farther to the right, whatever that may be, typically that's called fascism.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Chihuahua, 00
    July 20, 2014 4:02 p.m.

    Those of you who are injecting race into this are seriously deluded by race baiters who profit off racism and wish hangings were still going off. If Ron Paul were black I would have no problem voting for him. This racist idea is a bunch of Garbage. It not the race its the person and his puppet masters he has sold his soul to.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Chihuahua, 00
    July 20, 2014 4:36 p.m.

    One old man

    So its others that are doing the lying?

    "If you like your Healthcare plan you can keep it" Lie
    "I will have the most transparent presidency in History" Lie
    "If you are making less than $200,000 you will not se your taxes raised one dime" Lie

    Need I go on?

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    July 20, 2014 5:29 p.m.

    “The reason why many do not support the President is the direction he is taking our country.”

    Really?

    Huh.

    President Bill Clinton enjoyed very little support from Mormons, while he successfully raised taxes for high earners, balanced the budget for four Consecutive years, fostered a booming economy, and presided over a nation at peace with strong international allies. Most Mormons absolutely DISDAINED Clinton.

    But Mormons absolutely LOVED GW Bush, even while he took Clinton’s outstanding legacy and DESTROYED it all. GW Bush left us a giant hole where the Twin Towers once stood, a nation in economic peril, in two unnecessary wars, and he TRIPLED the national debt, while alienating important international allies. But Mormons still loved and admired GW Bush even while he was running this nation into the ground.

    It looks to me like the popularity of a President with Mormons can be used as a sort of inverse barometer. The more the Mormon majority dislikes a President, the better he is . . . And vice versa.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    July 20, 2014 5:45 p.m.

    "To those that say that Bush was so much worse than Obama, how was he worse"

    Ahhh America was attacked on our own soil for the first time and thousands of Americans died in the attack.

    He invaded two sovereign nations that cost thousands of American lives again and trillions of dollars.

    He left office with the economy in complete free fall, losing 750,000 jobs a month.

    How's that for a starter.

    The whole you can keep your insurance and your doctor falldara is at best a gross misrepresentation of scope. Yes there are some, a very few, who had to change insurance and in the process lost some of their doctors, but the vast (probably around 95%) majority of people were not effected in the least by the ACA. False statement yea..but in scope a very, very, small effect.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    July 20, 2014 8:55 p.m.

    I'm so tired of Obama.

    Let's get back to the way Bush was running things. Let's get back to tax cuts for the rich, deregulation, attacking Middle East countries, and crashing the economy.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Chihuahua, 00
    July 21, 2014 6:04 a.m.

    Real Maverick

    All of those things are still going on. Nothing has changed except for the Party Name.

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 21, 2014 6:46 a.m.

    Mike R, I find it offensive that you tell us what Lincoln would do, say and think. You have no idea what he would have done. You are good at telling everyone what they "should" think that you even put words that have no basis in fact in the mouths of people that are passed away.

    As for dividing the country, white against black, rich against poor. The Tea party , Eagle Forum, Sutherland Institute and the GOP have done that. Their give no ground attitude has set a bad course for discussion and compromise.

    My Church and the Church of 6 generations of my fore bearers does not believe or teach what you tell us. It teaches us to find truth and reserve judgment. The attacks on our duly elected President have been venomous and un Christ Like. The Church needs to address this as it is causing my Non Mormon friends to have a very bad opinion of us.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    July 21, 2014 7:56 a.m.

    @Mike Richards 10:09 a.m. July 20, 2014

    I read your comment, looking for even the tiniest scintilla of truth in it. Sadly, none could be found.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    July 21, 2014 8:35 a.m.

    To "Screwdriver" what the right says about Obama is the same thing that they were saying about Bush. Bush was wrong when he wanted government to solve all our problems, and Obama is wrong for wanting the same things.

    To "pragmatistferlife" and how is that any different than now? Under Obama we have had multiple terrorist attacks, remember the Boston Marathon bombing. Those guys were just like the 9/11 bombers. Remember Benghazi, that was an attack on American soil since diplomatic buildings are considered the soil of the country operating out of those buildings.

    Obama has sent US troops into Libya, and is selling weapons to terrorist organizations. Obama has sent thousands of people into combat throughout the middle east, most of whom will die because they are not trained soldiers. He fights his was vicariously.

    When Obama took office we continued to shed jobs for nearly 2 years until the Democrats lost control of Congress. The economy is still in the dumps, and we now have the lowest labor participation rate since the 1970's.

    Bush gave us Medicare Drugs, Obama gave us the ACA. Both meant to cut costs and expand coverage, and both are failures.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    July 21, 2014 9:01 a.m.

    To "steamroller" go back and read your history book. Lincoln didn't like Roger Taney because of the ruling on the suspension of habeas corpus in parts of Maryland. It had nothing to do with sending troops to fight the rebellion.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    July 21, 2014 9:09 a.m.

    Bitter people need an object to demonize.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    July 21, 2014 10:04 a.m.

    Hey Ultra Bob -

    “The obvious result is that President Obama has no standing in the international theatre and is then criticized for have not effect.”

    That is not true. Obama enjoys both popularity and standing in the international theater . . . Much more so than GW Bush. GW was widely regarded as a pushy buffoon backed up by noisy nationalists at home. Obama is widely regarded as a leader willing to create win/win situations, but a leader who is beleaguered at home by an oppressive and obstructive Right Wing movement that weakens his effectiveness.

    One Old Man –

    “It's actually those who accuse Obama of lying who are doing the lying.”

    That’s very true . . . And they Lie a LOT.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    July 21, 2014 12:48 p.m.

    To "GaryO" wow, either you are lying to protect Obama or else you are ignorant of reality.

    Internationally we have less support than ever. Even Germany that loved candidate Obama in 2008 has turned on him. I am not aware of any country where the people still hold Obama in high regard. They all see him as secretive and deceitful, and really haven't like the way he set the middle east on fire and how the NSA spys on everybody including our allies.

    Since when has Obama created a win-win situation?

    How can the Right Wing be obstructing Obama, when it is the Left Wing idealists in the Senate that have constantly prevented Obama's agenda from being implemented.

    The ones that lie the most about Obama are his supporters. They lie about the impact of his decisions and the direction that his agenda is taking the US.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    July 21, 2014 4:26 p.m.

    To "steamroller" according to Pew, DerSpiegal, the UK papers, and all sorts of international newspapers.

    Did you look at how much the middle east hates the US? It is worse now than when Bush was in office.

  • timpClimber Provo, UT
    July 21, 2014 7:10 p.m.

    Examine how Obama has handled the border crisis and you can understand my distrust of his leadership. He encouraged them to come by offering amnesty to the those already here and is doing little to stop the flow. The drug cartels are making $7,000 for each child they get to our side of the border. They just found a 15 year old helpless boy in a wheel chair left on our side of the Rio Grande, alone and without water. He would have been dead had the Border Patrol not found him in time. I want a leader as President not a fund raising speech maker.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    July 22, 2014 11:41 a.m.

    Redshirt1701
    Deep Space 9, Ut

    Did you look at how much the middle east hates the US? It is worse now than when Bush was in office.

    4:26 p.m. July 21, 2014

    ========

    Nice spin and deflection there Red...

    The QUESTION was toward Pres. Obama,
    and you site a Middle Eastern opinion toward the U.S. in general?

    If Iran had been bombing America day and night for 12 years,
    YOU would not have a very high opinion of Iran either!

    The fact is,
    Pres. Obama is respected outside of the United States --
    For showing restraint,
    Minimizing getting involved in the affairs of other Nations,
    Focusing attendtion to domestic problems,
    and
    always persuing Diplomacy over the bullying of MILTARY intervention.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    July 22, 2014 2:11 p.m.

    To "LDS Liberal" since you are not paying attention to current world politics, lets review what Obama has done to the middle east, and how they hate Obama and US because of it.

    In Libya, Obama supported Al Qaeda and militants to overthrown a mildly bad tyrant only to have militant tyrants that are worse take over.

    In Egypt, Obama supported the Muslim Brotherhood. The Muslim Brotherhood turned out to be worse than the tyrant Obama opposed, so they kicked them out too, and are trying again for somebody better than Mubarak.

    In Iraq they aren't made because of the US coming in, they are made about the US leaving right as the terrorist militants began taking over again.

    In Iran, we haven't done anything yet other than send really stern letters. They never really liked us.

    In Syria they laugh at Obama's weak stances and the fact he couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag.

    In Israel, most people hate Obama because of the support he gives Hamas.

    The only people who have higher opinions of Obama are terrorists because of the support he has given them.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    July 24, 2014 3:55 p.m.

    Redshirt -

    "Even Germany that loved candidate Obama in 2008 has turned on him. "

    WRONG.

    Obama has been the most popular world leader since 2009.

    Look it up.

  • Kimber Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2014 4:27 p.m.

    And the evidence of all that people are saying about President Obama is where? I've heard many things since he's been President. One of the first the birth certificate issue. He produced it. Did people believe it? Some not. Maybe people would not believe my birth certificate because my ancestors had a strange last name. But I haven't been accused of anything because people have no reason. Many conservatives are looking for reasons to not like President Obama because he is progressive and is getting things done that haven't been done for many years or ever. He isn't perfect, but he's the best president I've seen in my years. I believe he will go down in history as a famous President. And next, we will have another progressive president (probably a woman this time) And won't the conservatives have a fit again! Wow, I'm living in a historic time.