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  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 18, 2014 6:41 a.m.

    Coach Mendenhall has a good record of helping young men find their way. Hope he can do it again.

  • Jefe-Ute SLC, UT
    July 18, 2014 6:49 a.m.

    Utah never offered. However, they desperately need some LB depth. Since he is already in Utah, maybe the Utes should take a look at him.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    July 18, 2014 10:00 a.m.

    Sometimes kids don't want to change. Coach Mendenhall can only help the ones who want the help.

  • Che26 SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 18, 2014 10:12 a.m.

    I'm sorry to see this kid go. It would be great to see him work with Coach Mendenhall and come back to the program, but if that's not possible I hope he has success wherever he ends up.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 18, 2014 10:25 a.m.

    Mormon Ute
    Kaysville, UT

    Sometimes kids don't want to change. Coach Mendenhall can only help the ones who want the help.

    -------------

    You are assuming the kid is the problem. What exactly did this kid do? Commit a sin or commit a crime? Crime then yes, he needs help. Sin? Then maybe BYU just isn't the place for him.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    July 18, 2014 10:29 a.m.

    @Cougsndawgs,

    "Utah didn't offer because they aren't good enough to land this caliber LB."

    Says a fan of a team that has lost to Utah 4 years in a row.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    July 18, 2014 10:43 a.m.

    Hope he rebounds from whatever led to the change. Go Cougars!

    And once again ChrisB is making this about the Utes...

  • DrUte Woods Cross, UT
    July 18, 2014 10:45 a.m.

    Rather than send the normal spitballs back and forth, how about stepping back a moment and realize this is a form of significant human tragedy.

    This young man just lost a scholarship opportunity and will be explaining the situation to whatever team he may now seek to join. And this was not just a game or two suspension, but gone from school, and he'd only been on campus a few weeks. Had to be a pretty big Ooops.

    Not much fun, & not much to gloat about.

    --- There seem to be an inordinate number of difficulties popping up in Provo recently between Busby, Langi, and now this.... And not the best PR to have this announcement come out seemingly as a leak with Bronko on 'vacation' and 'not available for comment'.

    --- Beyond the continuing horrendously bad PR tactics, sorry to hear There's Trouble In River City. I'm sure most of the Blue Crew readership would say it's time to resolve these distractions, reset the bowling pins, and get ready to play some football.

    Sad to say Sione, it's time to move on. Best of luck on your new pathway.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 18, 2014 10:50 a.m.

    I'm sure the Honor Code was not hidden from him before he signed. So obviously, he already decided once that BYU, Honor Code and all, was the place for him.

    No need to theorize what the issue is, and hopefully it won't get splayed in public for all to gossip about.

    I just hope he can take the long view of the situation and can work it through. Best of luck to him in the future.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 18, 2014 10:53 a.m.

    CB

    "By the way good job on the new 1 for 2 agreement with Arizona, a team BYU fans laugh at for their lack or success in a big boy conference."

    LOL at your spin:

    It's a 1-1-1 agreement.

    One neutral site game, one game in Provo, and one game in Tucson.

    University of Phoenix Stadium, where the Fiesta Bowl is played, is in close proximity to a huge BYU fan base. Don't be too surprised to see half the stadium filled with BYU fans.

    btw, Arizona has been far more successful in the PAC than the Utes have been; and BYU fans don't laugh at Arizona, they simply point out the fact that Arizona has been in the PAC 30 years and is still looking for their first Rose Bowl.

  • Back Talk Federal Way, WA
    July 18, 2014 10:54 a.m.

    Speculation, Speculation, Speculation.

    Another cultural problem that I wish we could overcome.

    He will be fine where ever he ends up.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    July 18, 2014 10:57 a.m.

    Uteology

    "What exactly did this kid do?"

    It's none of your business what the kid did and certainly none of your business to decide under what conditions he may or may not return to BYU.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 18, 2014 11:04 a.m.

    That's unfortunate, but the kid new the rules going in. I hope things work out for him.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    July 18, 2014 11:05 a.m.

    DrUte

    You've obviously misread the tea leaves.

    This isn't a PR issue.

    It's about a young man deciding his priorities and determining whether his priorities match the standards of BYU or any other institution of high learning he would like to attend.

    What you with your BYU-hating spin claim is a "form of significant human tragedy", may instead be a life-changing event for positive growth - see KVN.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 18, 2014 11:11 a.m.

    @drute

    How is the Langi transfer a "difficulty" or a "PR problem" for BYU? Seems to me to be a "difficulty", if not outright embarrassment, for the univeristy of utah and a huge PR issue for them as well. You know someone leaving your school and basically saying it is because of all the bad influences there seems to be more of a "PR problem" for the school the kid is running away from as fast as he possibly can than the one he is going to. lol

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 18, 2014 11:15 a.m.

    @DrUte

    I appreciate the sentiment regarding Sione and agree that we shouldn't pile on the kid. I wish him all the best, and I hope that he's able to get everything sorted out and enroll back into BYU in the future.

    However, I'm not sure where you're coming from regarding BYU difficulties and bad PR. I think it's been a great off-season for BYU. The Busby situation was completely overblown and left a lot of the local media with egg on their face after they speculated there could be "$250,000 in benefits", "safe houses", and this was a "systemic issue that stretched back to Lavell's days and the BYU administration had to know about it" when, in fact, it turned out to be extremely minor in nature.

    The Langi situation was great for BYU. A high-profile recruit who transferred from a "P5" program because he wanted to live a higher standard that is enforced at BYU.

    And this Takitaki situation, while unfortunate, just reinforces that BYU enforces the Honor Code and is not hypocritical with regards to that or its athletes.

    Pretty good for a BYU fan.

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    July 18, 2014 11:26 a.m.

    I loved the comment above that "If this kid committed serious sins, then he shouldn't go to BYU. Utah is the better place for him!" said, apparently without any sense of irony, by a Ute fan. As if it is a source of pride that your football team doesn't have moral standards or something.

    Something to be real proud of, Utes! "This guy can't live the basic honor code at BYU to a degree that they kicked him out after two weeks? Sounds like a great pickup for us!"

    I hope that this is actually a KVN situation all over again, though. I'd rather this kid never plays sports if he can focus on getting his life in order. That's more important, in the grand scheme of things.

  • BlueNtheFace Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    July 18, 2014 11:57 a.m.

    DrUte, to add to what truecoug1 said...

    Who's to say that Takitaki won't stick it out and still play at BYU? It's happened before. Completely up to him, take advantage of other schollie offers now or work his way back into BYU and rejoin the football squad. The easiest road would be to play for another university immediately. Just saying that there's more than one option.

    Go Takitaki/BYU!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    July 18, 2014 12:07 p.m.

    Wishing the best for this kid. Hopefully he will grow from this and land on his feet. Too bad there is so much speculation from all sides as to what he did.

    Football can't get here soon enough!!

  • Ironhide Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2014 12:09 p.m.

    DrUte,

    What? Bad PR? Takitaki didn't hold up his end of the deal, how is that BYU's PR issue? Or have you never heard of the honor code? How is Langi BYU's PR issue? utes wanted the Busby situation to be death and destruction but it just made all the haters look entirely foolish by their overreaction, fueled by their hate.

    Your veiled and fabricated empathy couched as anything genuine is disturbing at least and an arrogant attempt at manipulation to express concern. Your perceptions do not add up to your assertions of tragedy and sorrow.

  • kitsutsuki South Jordan, Utah
    July 18, 2014 12:19 p.m.

    Having gone through issues with a couple of my sons, I know how difficult it can be for kids these days. Hopefully he can find his way back to BYU, if that is what he wants. If not, hope things go well with him as he moves forward with life.

    Regarding Langi, has he officially transferred to BYU or is it on hold? I have not heard anything since the initial announcement.

  • Jefe-Ute SLC, UT
    July 18, 2014 12:27 p.m.

    @truecoug1

    Did you even attend BYU? BYU definitely holds a different standard for their athletes. I saw it every year I was there. Great example, although small in nature, is Riley Nelson. Didn't have to cut his hair until someone posted a youtube video of him and called it "ode to riley nelson's hair". BYU only upholds the honor code on major infractions like sex, alcohol, cheating, etc. I saw multiple athletes who were not abiding by the honor code in different ways.

    I wish the best to the player and hope this doesn't ruin his college career.

  • Confused Sandy, UT
    July 18, 2014 12:42 p.m.

    For both the Cougar and Ute fans posting...

    You might want to know that the Majority of BYU coaches (including Mendenhall) are all on Vacations with their families.

    I believe this has nothing to do with Football, but a violation of the Honor Code...
    Which is not hard to do these days....

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    July 18, 2014 12:44 p.m.

    He'll be back. Soon.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2014 12:44 p.m.

    Utah did NOT offer him, but I know that Call wants to make it sound like Utah wanted him.

    We didn't. We didn't offer.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    July 18, 2014 12:50 p.m.

    Vanceone
    Provo, UT

    Something to be real proud of, Utes! "This guy can't live the basic honor code at BYU to a degree that they kicked him out after two weeks? Sounds like a great pickup!"

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    Before you get on your moral high horse and start judging people, understand that many Utah fans (even some LDS members) believe that BYU's honor code is ridiculous. Thus, if this kid may have violated the honor code and got kicked out... doesn't it stand to reason that many Ute fans wouldn't think that's a big deal? That's not exactly a high crime.

    You're talking out the side of your mouth like all Utah fans view the honor code with the same esteem and respect BYU fans do.

    We don't. In fact, many of us don't believe in the honor code at all. Therefore, why should it be such a disaster to us when he breaks it? If Utah was an Atheist institution, would BYU fans get all riled up and reject a kid if he was kicked out for bringing a bible to practice? If the answer is no, then you're being hypocritical.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    July 18, 2014 12:59 p.m.

    Uteology,

    Help me understand your logic. He was kicked off the team and out of school. That isn't done for shooting spit wads in math class. He did something that he has to take responsibility for. That seems like a problem specific to the kid.

    If he chooses to take responsibility and wants to get back to school and football at BYU, then the coach can help him. If he doesn't, there's nothing the coach can do.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 18, 2014 1:07 p.m.

    @Jefe-Ute

    Yep, I definitely attended BYU, just graduated from there this year, as a matter of fact. Love the school, love what it stands for, and I love the honor code. That's pretty weak smack you've got there re Riley Nelson. I'm sure at any given time on BYU campus you'll find guys with longer hair, or with beards, not just the athletes. In fact, I saw guys like that walking on campus while I was there. There may be a multitude of reasons for that. I know KVN had a beard card for his beard, and I know a lot of guys on campus who do, too.

    BYU does a great job of treating its athletes like the rest of its students, and a much better job of enforcing its standards than other schools. Brandon Davies is a great example. KVN and Harvey Unga are others. Heck, Spencer Hadley was suspended for more games just by drinking at a party than the Ute player who got a DUI and was driving on the wrong side of the road!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 18, 2014 1:11 p.m.

    @Jefe-Ute continued

    Also, when Josh Quezada got to campus, he had to cut off the big hair that he'd been growing out for most of his life. As soon as people saw Riley Nelson's hair was a little too long, he got a haircut and kept it within an HC appropriate length for the duration of his time at BYU.

    BYU's not perfect, but one thing that they are very good at is enforcing and upholding their standards. So you're fighting a losing battle there, my friend.

  • Me, Myself and I The Promised Land, UT
    July 18, 2014 1:16 p.m.

    We don't even know why he was released. Yet everyone assumes he committed a crime or violated the honor code. It could be something as simple as a mess up or over site concerning the NCAA clearing house or a number of other things. I hope whatever it is this young man is able to rectify the problem and play ball somewhere.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 18, 2014 1:18 p.m.

    @Tomahawk Red "You're talking out the side of your mouth like all Utah fans view the honor code with the same esteem and respect BYU fans do. We don't. In fact, many of us don't believe in the honor code at all."
    ---------------------------

    Oh trust me, Tomahawk...we BYU fans KNOW Utah fans don't believe in the honor code at all. When one of your football team's core values is "No DUI's", that gives a pretty clear indication to us BYU fans of what the standards are at Utah and what most Utah fans believe in.

    It's what makes you guys so cute and entertaining!

    :)

    Go Cougars!

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2014 1:19 p.m.

    Y Grad / Y Dad
    Richland, WA

    "hopefully it won't get splayed in public for all to gossip about."

    If you don't want this to happen, you better hope Jeff Bendict doesn't hear about it.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    July 18, 2014 1:25 p.m.

    Duckhunter,

    The Langi issue is a PR problem for BYU, because a BYU alum and booster blew the whole thing for Langi by going public with it before the family was ready and blind sided both universities. Normally these things are allowed to be played out between the players and coaches and then the school makes a formal anouncement. Vai Sikahema blew it. He knows it and BYU knows it and now both have egg on their face.

  • sid 6.7 Holladay, UT
    July 18, 2014 1:28 p.m.

    The only "news" here is that a young man is no longer in College. I love football like every one else but this situation is not a loss to the BYU football team. It is a loss to this young man and his family, not because he won't be able to play football but because he wont be getting an education.

    College football and it's fans need to step back and figure out why these teams really exist. Sure they are there to make money for and represent the school but aren't they really there to give these young men an opportunity to earn a college degree? These young men are not pieces of meat to be thrown on the field of play like solders. They are young fragile human beings and should be treated that way. The education should come before the sports and not the other way around.

    I wish Tikitaki and his family the best and I hope to see him competing in the classroom very soon.

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    July 18, 2014 1:34 p.m.

    We don't want him because he didn't like us first even though we did NOT offer him so it don't matter anymore.

    Go Utes!

  • Fball Fanatic Salem, UT, UT
    July 18, 2014 1:36 p.m.

    Van Noy (alcohol), Hadley (alcohol), Williams (alcohol) and now Takitaki (who knows what).
    If the Lord's University wants to have their athletes live by an Honor Code, I would suggest recruiting athletes that are currently living the Honor Code. Again, just a suggestion. Unless of course the alcohol consumption starts after arriving in Provo which would be a whole other issue to address. Therefore, you knew what I was before you recruited me.
    Do you really expect such behavior to stop once they are finally away from home and their parents control?
    Come on people! Think.

  • Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
    July 18, 2014 2:03 p.m.

    We need look no further than Kyle Van Noy to see how this could be a good thing for Sione. Good luck to him!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 18, 2014 2:29 p.m.

    @MormonUte "The Langi issue is a PR problem for BYU, because a BYU alum and booster blew the whole thing for Langi by going public with it before the family was ready and blind sided both universities."
    --------------------------

    That's actually false. Go back and read the story and listen to some of the interviews that Vai did with the local media. Harvey's mission president was asked by Harvey in his final interview to contact three people: Bronco, K Whitt, and Vai and let them all know of Harvey's intentions to transfer A MONTH before Vai broke the story. Nobody was blindsided by anything.

  • DrUte Woods Cross, UT
    July 18, 2014 2:38 p.m.

    Gee guys, sorry you didn't like my earlier post about BYU's current nest of PR problems.

    I'm truly enlightened now thanks to your collective explanations of why the entire world is Blue.

    Can't wait for the Busby pronouncements to pop (should be soon, some of them have already been posted and then quickly removed from media sight), certainly just another opportunity to revel in Life In The Blue Bubble!

    Everything's fine, no problems Down South; truly, all's right with the world.

    Muchisimas Gracias, &

    LOL!!!

  • 2020 Herriman, UT
    July 18, 2014 2:53 p.m.

    @TrueCoug1 You don't know what, "most Utah fans believe in." It's statements like that that make card-carrying members of the LDS church Ute fans like myself, despise the Y even more. I's really not the school I dislike, it's some of the fans.

  • Jefe-Ute SLC, UT
    July 18, 2014 3:01 p.m.

    @truecoug1

    He only had to cut his hair to get his ID, just like I had to shave my little stubble to get my ID. Riley Nelson wasn't just barely over the HC limit for hair length. He had attended all of fall camp, and was a couple weeks into the season. So Bronco just didn't notice his really long hair? AMAZING! Athletes are the ones representing the school as they go on t.v. and just like I can't take a test for long hair, Nelson and others shouldn't get to play football unless abiding by the honor code. It's a double standard. You must live in a bubble if you don't think that BYU ignores blatant disregard for the honor code for its athletes. They couldn't even stick to the 5 game suspension for hadley.

  • kitsutsuki South Jordan, Utah
    July 18, 2014 3:11 p.m.

    2020 - have you ever been to a football game at RES? A good portion of Utah fans, due to honor code infractions, would never be considered for admittance to BYU - and you know it.

    It is hypocritical, disingenuous card-carrying members of the LDS Church Utah fans like you that make me despise the University of Utah and its fans even more. You might not like BYU, which is fine. But keep religion out of it.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 18, 2014 3:15 p.m.

    @2020 "You don't know what, "most Utah fans believe in.""

    Lol, sorry, man, I guess my TIC comment slipped past you there. I was hoping the smiley face and "cute and entertaining" comment would clue people in to the playful banter, but I'll try to be a little more overt with my sarcasm next time.

    I don't know what most Utah fans believe in. However, I'm sure Tomahawk Red doesn't either, even though he was speaking for all of U when he said "many Utah fans (even some LDS members) believe that BYU's honor code is ridiculous...In fact, many of us don't believe in the honor code at all."

    I find it extremely ironic/hypocritical that you would call me out for saying that I don't know what all Utah fans believe, and yet you apparently are just fine with Tomahawk's comments, especially since I would think a "card-carrying LDS member" such as yourself would have no problem in the honor code, and the standards it tries to uphold.

    But to each his or her own. Sorry you didn't like my banter.

    Go Cougars!

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    July 18, 2014 3:15 p.m.

    truecoug1
    Provo, UT

    Oh trust me, Tomahawk...we BYU fans KNOW Utah fans don't believe in the honor code at all.

    ---------

    OK tell Vanceone that. Maybe he'll understand better and be able to turn down his disappointment with Utah fans' interest in adding this guy to the team.

  • WJCoug South Jordan, Utah
    July 18, 2014 3:19 p.m.

    Re: 2020 post at 2:53 pm

    If you want to despise BYU and its fans (you know, fellow card-carrying members such as yourself) because of sports, I guess that is your right.

    However, my opinion is that you judge a bit too harshly. In the eternal scheme of things sports means nothing; how you treat others is what is truly important. . .

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    July 18, 2014 3:19 p.m.

    truecoug1,

    Sorry, you are wrong. Harvey asked his mission president and Vai to help him by contacting a few individuals on both sides of the issue. The individuals at the U said, "He's still a Ute, we'll deal with it when he gets home." Harvey didn't give Vai or anyone permission to go to the media. Maybe he was naive knowing Vai is a member of the media himself, but Vai should have known better. Also, Harvey and his parents have refused interviews and comments about the situation, since the story broke and have told several news outlets they were caught completely off guard by Vai's story. In fact Harvey's Mom didn't even know about the story until she was told on the phone by a reporter. Vai blew it and he knows it.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 18, 2014 3:22 p.m.

    @DrUte "I'm truly enlightened now thanks to your collective explanations of why the entire world is Blue."

    ------------------

    I'm glad we could help you out there. Nice to see another enlightened join the fold :).

    Also, what is with the obsession with Duane Busby? It seems like every Ute fan is desperately hoping that there are going to be serious repercussions here. Tom Holmoe himself said that the allegations were very minor and would be on a lower-tier scale.

    So, again, I'm not sure why that was bad PR for BYU. The only people who look bad in this are the local media who were trying to blow it way out of proportion, and the Ute fans who were/are still hoping that this would spell the death sentence for the BYU football program as we know it. I don't think that's going to happen.

    Go Cougars!

  • Black&Blue St George, Utah
    July 18, 2014 4:09 p.m.

    Everyone needs to relax and stop jumping to conclusions. Takitaki is not going anywhere.

    He will not be on the Football team for the 2014 season, but Bronco brought the issue before the team and staff allowed them a say in the matter and it was a landslide. Takitaki will remain a student at BYU and rejoin the team in January. Much ado about nothing.....

  • BlueNtheFace Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    July 18, 2014 4:29 p.m.

    DrUte,

    Like a once great BYU fan/philosopher once said: "(BYU's) Environment giveth and environment taketh away!" You, doctor, just don't have a handle on what the Langi transfer means.

    This recent incident concerning Takitaki is separate from the NCAA investigation. We'll purportedly see about 3 or 4 more of these actions (not necessarily dismissals) soon.

    The NCAA violations suspensions will be light in comparison.
    And thanks for your interest in everything BYU. It's all about the Y with you... Don't take your eye off it.

    LOL.

    Go Cougs!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 18, 2014 4:31 p.m.

    @MormonUte

    Um, I'm not wrong. You were saying that both universities were blindsided by the report. I pointed out that they weren't, since they both had known about Harvey's intentions a month before the story broke.

    And I have a hard time believing that Harvey's own family had no idea about his intentions. He used his mom's cell phone to talk to Vai about it at the end of his mission.

    Regardless, if you think that Vai breaking this story somehow sheds BYU in a bad light, then power to you. Vai is an independent reporter who contributes to the D News. He's not employed by BYU and can choose to break a story whenever he wants. I'm pretty sure BYU didn't go to Vai and ask him to break the story when he did.

    But you can think whatever you want.

    Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 18, 2014 4:42 p.m.

    @Jefe-Ute "You must live in a bubble if you don't think that BYU ignores blatant disregard for the honor code for its athletes. They couldn't even stick to the 5 game suspension for hadley."

    Lol, you just lost all credibility right there. Saying that BYU "ignores blatant disregard of the honor code for its athletes", and then in the same breath using Hadley's suspension of five games was to reduced to three as an example of this is is laughable. Hadley was suspended BECAUSE he broke the honor code, and his suspension of three games (for doing what every other student at a college in the U.S. is allowed to do) was just as long as Brian Blechen's suspension for failing MULTIPLE drug tests for marijuana.

    You're fighting a losing battle here, my friend. BYU does a great job of upholding and enforcing its standards. If only other universities would follow suit.

    Go Cougars!

  • BlueNtheFace Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    July 18, 2014 4:42 p.m.

    @ 2020

    "most Utah fans" like yourself don't need a specific reason to hate on your church's school. We're your hate rival. You'd find any reason, however silly.

    Go BYU!

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    July 18, 2014 5:06 p.m.

    Hmm. Lots of self righteous Utes here who claim to, apparently, love the honor code?

    Perhaps I wasn't clear. This guy, if he was kicked off for violating the honor code--it wasn't something like too long hair. It must have been rather serious.

    And there were several Ute fans immediately claiming that this guy shouldn't be concerned; a sin at BYU was a good reason to go to the U instead.

    Now that I observed how... interesting that point of view is ("Hey! You too much of a sinner to be at BYU? Have we got a deal for you......!") there's a bunch of offended Utes. Sorry, it's not my fault that you guys are saying that this guy would be a great pickup if he cannot hack the standards at BYU.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    July 18, 2014 6:04 p.m.

    Many people who say they object to the Honor Code actually object to the Dress and Grooming standards, which are NOT the Honor Code. The Dress and Grooming standards were largely established in the late 60s in opposition of the Hippy movement. They have changed only slightly since then.

    Yes, as part of the Honor Code students agree to follow the Dress and Grooming standards. However, they are not the same thing.

    I, a BYU alum, think many of the regulations in the Dress and Grooming standards are a bit ridiculous. However, I have zero problem with the Honor Code. And since I signed the Honor Code agreement, I kept the Dress and Grooming standards...usually. Yep, there were times I went to class without shaving for a couple of days. Gasp! And there were times I let my hair get a little long. Heaven forbid!

    I was never turned away at the testing center. I never had another student, or professor, or anyone ever say anything to me. Those of you who believe in a judgmental culture at BYU? I guess you can find it if you look for it, but I never experienced it.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    July 18, 2014 7:21 p.m.

    @chrisb

    Utah didn't offer because they had no chance and didn't want to tie up the scholarship possibility... Plain and Simple...

    What do you want to bet that the utes make an offer now though??? lol.

    BYU only goes after classy athletes... Takitaki was one of them... He may decided to move on but I hope he doesn't... I hope we see him back in blue and following through with his commitment.

    I Don't know what happened, but history tells me that one proves the quality of their make-up far more and far faster by bearing down, picking themselves up, and conquering that which knocked them down as opposed to just moving on.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 18, 2014 7:50 p.m.

    @Mormon Ute

    teology,

    Help me understand your logic. He was kicked off the team and out of school. That isn't done for shooting spit wads in math class. He did something that he has to take responsibility for. That seems like a problem specific to the kid.

    If he chooses to take responsibility and wants to get back to school and football at BYU, then the coach can help him. If he doesn't, there's nothing the coach can do.

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    Where does it say he wants to return to BYU? I haven't read that. If that's true then you are right, he needs to meet with Bronco to live under the rules at BYU.

    If not, then not wanting to live by the Honor Code is not a problem, he might just be acting like any typical red-white-and-blue American teenager. He just can't do it at BYU.

  • 2020 Herriman, UT
    July 19, 2014 12:32 a.m.

    For whatever I reason I didn't catch the sarcasm in Truecoug1's posting that I commented on. It's a bit ironic that what I was getting at, is that there are so many judgmental, more righteous than thou, fellow members of the LDS Church, who let that spill over into their BYU fandom, I thought that's what Troucoug1 was doing.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    July 19, 2014 12:36 a.m.

    @uteology

    Word is that his uncle was coming over from California over to meet with some of the coaching staff... That's what was reported by the same guy that broke the story... I don't think that the uncle's trip is a vacation... Seems to me that there is some interest to try and work things out.

  • Aggie5 Kuna, ID
    July 19, 2014 7:25 a.m.

    Boise state will grab him

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    July 19, 2014 9:42 a.m.

    Tomahawk Red
    North Salt Lake, UT

    "You're talking out the side of your mouth like all Utah fans view the honor code with the same esteem and respect BYU fans do.

    We don't. In fact, many of us don't believe in the honor code at all."

    Given the vitriol from Ute fans, it doesn't appear to be much of a stretch that "honor" has no place on the Hill.

    It seems that most state funded institutions of higher learning mirror the national illness and corruption of our nation's "leaders."

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    July 19, 2014 10:10 a.m.

    truecoug1,

    When I said people were blind sided, what I meant is that they weren't ready for it to go public. Harvey was asking Vai for help in contacting coaches and others involved in the situation, he didn't ask Vai to take it to the media. That is what blind sided people. Vai didn't have the right to go public with a something he was being asked privately to help with. Of course Harvey's parents knew about it. I didn't say anything different. My point has been all along that I believe when Coach Whitt and Harvey's parents started pushing back Vai jumped the gun in his efforts to help Harvey and went public before he should have. Harvey should have been allowed to work this out with his parents and coaches without a media firestorm and Vai should have known that.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    July 19, 2014 10:12 a.m.

    uteology,

    Where did I say he wanted to return to BYU? I said IF he does and I used that word, because I don't know.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    July 19, 2014 4:57 p.m.

    Vanceone
    Provo, UT

    Perhaps I wasn't clear. This guy, if he was kicked off for violating the honor code--it wasn't something like too long hair. It must have been rather serious.

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    There's nothing in the honor code that is serious.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 19, 2014 6:25 p.m.

    Mormon Ute

    You're making a lot of assumptions that may or may not be true.

    How do you know that Harvey didn't expect Vai to report his transfer plans to the media? How do you Harvey didn't want Vai to facilitate his transfer to BYU?

    Regardless of what Harvey's parents or Coach Whittingham wanted, Harvey is an adult, and the decision is ultimately up to him.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 19, 2014 9:55 p.m.

    Tomahawk Red

    There's nothing in the Ten Commandments that's serious, at least according to some.

    There's nothing in the Military Code of Conduct that's serious, at least according to some.

    Just because you choose to live by different standards, doesn't mean the BYU Honor Code isn't serious to some.

    It's alright to respect the standards of others, even if you don't believe or follow them yourself.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    July 20, 2014 11:13 a.m.

    Riddles in the Dark,

    I know because Harvey himself hasn't made a statement or spoken to the media, even though he's had plenty of time to do so since being released as a missionary. It is obvious by Harvey's and his family's public silence on this issue that the matter was far from settled when Vai wrote the article. If Harvey was truly totally committed to it, he would have met with both coaches by now and there would have been a press release from the U releasing him from his commitment. I think Vai wanted to put pressure on Coach Whitt and Harvey's parents to endorse the move, because he didn't get their endorsement initially. It was intentional on Vai's part, but it back fired on him and I believe it burned some bridges for him. He may no longer be allowed unfettered access to Ute players and the Langi family may not be so quick to seek his help in the future. Sometimes silence speaks louder than words.

  • utefever kaysville, UT
    July 20, 2014 12:54 p.m.

    No sense in piling on the kid. Whatever he did just shows that BYU athletes are just like any other athletes. They aren't special so BYU fans should stop touting them as such.

  • DrUte Woods Cross, UT
    July 20, 2014 2:31 p.m.

    Not a PR problem?

    LOL!

    BYU needs two types of recruits - them that is & them that isn't LDS.

    And there are still a lot more Gentiles out there than Brethren.

    --- Not saying whatever was the cause here was something any other school would accept, since there's no public pronouncement as of yet, but everyone knows competition for significant D1 talent is super intense, which includes the recruit's (and the family's) perception of quality of life while they're investing several years at an institution.

    When you add up the self-inflicted wounds of The Invisible Busby, this dismissal, the Rocky Road of Independence, lack of reasonable opportunity to ever play in a significant postseason bowl, etc etc you're playing the Sisyphus game.

    Hmmmmm - Wonder why Notre Dame's recruit score is what it is this year, versus BYU --- you want to be like 'em, so you have to be willing to compare ---

    Try Googling "Rivals BYU" versus "Rivals Notre Dame" for results so far this recruiting season, & then fold your mind around what factors just might be the difference.

    LOLx2!!

  • DrUte Woods Cross, UT
    July 20, 2014 2:56 p.m.

    @ Mormon Ute:

    Eeeew-Wee Baby, that 11:13am comment sounds right on to me.

    Nice.

    Vai has been around, should have known the NCAA system, and if not should have taken ten seconds to Google it. Pretty low class, there, Vai.

    I'd bet a buck that several days ago Kyle and Bronko had a personal 5 minute conference call concerning the situation & have already resolved it. Those guys go 'way back, and Bronko would be the first to say "sorry about the loose cannon, it was not our intention."

    Everyone pretty much knows that Bronko and Kyle both are Right Up Front people, know the rules, and would not have played this kind of game against each other.

    If he stays, that's great. If he goes, that's up to him.

    And whether or not he follows The Rules.

    But an Outsider playing games with D1 programs is decidedly not Phi Beta Kappa.

    It may be "Vai Beta Kappa", but it certainly ain't "Phi".

    [Nice job, Mormon Ute, I'll look forward to reading other comments you send; fun to see your perspective in the mix!]

    Go Utes!!

  • DrUte Woods Cross, UT
    July 20, 2014 4:11 p.m.

    @ Rockwell: You obviously didn't read the article - this young man was dismissed after only a few weeks on campus, not suspended, but flushed out of the program.

    We don't know the infraction, but what a positive spin you put on the situation --- He could grow up to be KVN someday if he would just recant, apply himself to the necessary Blue requirements, and come back from The Dark Side of The Force.

    I'll look forward to reading about his abject apology and his attempts to low crawl back onto campus.

    For his own good, of course.

    In fact, I'll even volunteer to track his progress for you and keep you informed of further developments.

    For my part, I'm hoping Sione will survive and in fact prosper, don't you feel the same?

    [Perhaps, but the word I'm thinking of is "Hubris".]

    Have a nice day.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    July 20, 2014 9:37 p.m.

    DrUte

    LOL at about how clueless you are about the facts.

    Although dismissed from the football team, for this year, Sione is still enrolled at BYU and his uncle was reportedly headed to Provo to discuss the situation with BYU's coaching staff.

    Sure doesn't sound like a young man that BYU has already given up on. And it certainly doesn't sound like Sione has given up on BYU.

    Despite your frantic and emotional claims to the contrary.

  • Idahotransplant West Jordan, UT
    July 21, 2014 11:37 a.m.

    I hope Sione TakiTaki is man enough and humble enough to relaize his mistake. I seem to remember a kid by the last name of Van Noy who started out with some struggles and look what happened to this young man. Will TakiTaki take the same course? No one knows. Fact of the matter is is that the Honor code was not hidden, he knew what he was getting into, he made the choices he made and now must suffer the consequences. The great thing is, is that there is a way back if you are willing to pay the price.

  • golfrUte SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 22, 2014 5:34 p.m.

    As a former Bishop of a YSA ward, I met with dozens of BYU students every year to sign their ecclesiastical endorsement. With each student I carefully reviewed the Honor Code requirements and had the student's word that they were and would continue to abide by the Honor Code. Of course some students had challenges and we worked through them confidentially. In today's society of instant news and comment boards, student athletes are not afforded the same level of confidentiality and that is a shame. I found the Honor Code officials to be rational and compassionate and willing to help each student.

    Yes, I'm a Utah fan and Alum but one who also respects BYU and what the school stands for based on my interactions. I wish this young man all the best and hope things work out well for him. I have no idea what happened in his situation and won't speculate but if he wants to return, he'll be given a fair opportunity to work his way back.

    In the mean time, let's give the kid a break and be thankful our youthful mistakes weren't public forum fodder.