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  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    July 17, 2014 9:29 a.m.

    Congratulations to BYU and Utah State players being named to another "nation's best" watch list.

    Waiting for more spin from the hill explaining why our local P5 is so unloved.

  • Utah, We want our money back PAC Country, CA
    July 17, 2014 9:34 a.m.

    Congrats to the two best running backs in the state.

    Little Brother, I too am waiting for the spin on the hill. It should be a fun day on the threads.

    For two days straight BYU and USU have been recognized for having the two best QB's and the two best running backs. Can't wait to see which two BYU AND USU players will be named next.

  • WhoRtheUtes??? Elko, NV
    July 17, 2014 9:53 a.m.

    This great to see these two young men named to the list. I have to admit, I am not an Aggies fan, But great to see them getting some national attention. The cream in the State is rising to the top.

    Go Cougs!

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 17, 2014 10:01 a.m.

    I know it's fun to bag on the Utes, but to my Ute friends (I DO have one or two), this is exactly where U like to be... disrespected, un-noticed and poised to surprise a lot of people.

    If you can play 12 games this year like you played against BYU and Stanford last year, you will once again have the last laugh, just like 04 and 08.

    In the mean-time, expectations are high for both BYU and Utah State. Time to put up or shut up can't come too soon. Go Aggies, and RISE AND SHOUT!

  • Indy St George, Utah
    July 17, 2014 10:01 a.m.

    I'm starting to notice a trend here...

    Shouldn't the PAC-12 Utes have more players on these watch lists than the lowly WAC teams of Utah?

    hmm... well at least you still have your SOS trophy and PAC-12 stickers.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2014 10:12 a.m.

    preseason rankings are the most important, they mean way more than what the SCOREBOARD says.

    Right byu fans?

    LOL

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2014 10:13 a.m.

    You would think with all the ragging byu and usu fans are doing about Utah, they'd be a better than 1-7 combined record against big brother the last 8 games.

    LOL!

    1-7

    We OWN both of you

  • Che26 SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 17, 2014 10:15 a.m.

    Y Grad/ Y Dad is absolutely right. BYU has become famous for getting a big head and under-performing in big games; whereas Utah is known for playing with a big old chip on their shoulder and surprising everyone.

    I hope BYU coaches and players realize they are on the outside looking in, and unless they come out with a chip on their shoulder and play every game like its their last this pattern will just continue.

    Its great we're getting these preseason awards, but the only thing that matters is the W at the end of the day.

  • Jefe-Ute SLC, UT
    July 17, 2014 10:22 a.m.

    No spin on the hill. I don't watch Utah State and can't comment on Hill. Any Ute will tell you that we all know Williams is a great RB, except when playing the stingy run D of Utah. So really there are no surprises with him. BYU has recruited well at the RB position for years. I think this year will be telling to see if a couple Utes make it to that list for next year. Since John White, the running game at Utah has been subpar with glimpses of greatness. Go Utes!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 17, 2014 10:33 a.m.

    So far, 3 Utah players have been named to watch lists. There have been 2 recent transfers to the Utes program. The USU players were included on the same watch lists as byu players. Otherwise, they would not have been mentioned in the DN either. Go Utes.

  • alphablue Provo, UT
    July 17, 2014 10:47 a.m.

    Yes I too am excited to see the Aggies and the Cougars recognized for their so-called Wac-ish talent being recognized nationally while our so-called big brother on the hill has no players on the Doak or Davey O'Brian lists?

    Utah State is a team I can root for and with the Aggie fans and their team the best of luck in the coming season....except for that one night in Provo. May these Two teams enjoy the luck of the Irish this coming year.

    Go Cougars..Go Aggies!!!

  • Rose Bowl call yet? Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2014 10:49 a.m.

    CB

    Bowls and overall season performance mean much more than a couple of upset wins.

    The Utes are so scared of BYU and USU that they ran away from both rivals for the coming season.

    Enjoy your season-ending pillow fight in the rockies; it's the closest you'll get to a bowl this season.

    You own NOTHING but your 11th-place SOS trophy.

    LOL!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 17, 2014 11:16 a.m.

    It's silly to say that the Utes are afraid of the Aggies and cougars. Is byu afraid of Idaho State?

  • yabuts Springville, utah
    July 17, 2014 11:19 a.m.

    Attn; Rose Bowl call yet?

    "you own NOTHING but your 11th-place SOS trophy".

    Has 3 of 12, 0 of 4, and 54-10 slipped your mind?

    Utah's SOS is closer to 5th than it is to 11th.

    Have a great home coming, it should be a great game to watch. (:(

  • CBPapa Cedar Hills, UT
    July 17, 2014 11:33 a.m.

    I'm with Y Grad/Y Dad and Che...
    Really tired of preseason hype.
    Time to deliver on the field.
    Both USU and BYU could have great records if they play with a chip on their shoulder like Che mentions.
    And Utah could have another surprising year if they play as well as they did in certain games last year. If they can play at the same level in those close games and the ball goes their way this time, they'll have the state's bragging rights come December. So as much as I hate to say it, they're in the best position to turn heads.
    As a Cougar fan...I hope they don't.

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    July 17, 2014 11:38 a.m.

    Our running backs are real good.

    Go Utes!

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    July 17, 2014 12:00 p.m.

    Being named to any "Watch" List is not only an honor but it is a true sign of National Respect. Somehow people on the hill just don't get that and that is probably why they just don't get the National Respect (i.e. Doak Walker awards(s), Heisman Trophy award, trophy after trophy after trophy. I bet if we all go to the u's trophy case we can see some banners from downtown and a few bumper stickers pealed from abandoned cars after finishing last again in the pac 11 + u.

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    July 17, 2014 12:02 p.m.

    I thought the u was "stacked" at all the back positions this year?

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2014 12:32 p.m.

    @ Eddie

    Yeah Eddie, keep telling us how much national respect Army, Western Kentucky, and Temple have. Being named an award watch list is a great honor for these great players. But it is in no way a statement about the programs they play for.

  • Rose Bowl call yet? Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2014 12:34 p.m.

    yabuts

    An occassional blowout win proves nothing; 14 of the last 17 head-to-head games (82%) have been decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes or in overtime, with Utah winning a slight 8 of 14 majority of those games. Hardly proof of Utah OWNING anything.

    Now, remind us which bowl you played in last season. Or the season before.

    Utah's SOS is 11th in the RPI ratings - yes, they also have those for football.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2014 12:36 p.m.

    "Pre-season awards" huh? Who said anything about "awards"? No awards are being given. These are simply "watch lists" indicating that these players might just make a splash on the college football scene this season. A few of you need to take your Ritalin and settle down. Nobody has said anything about BYU and USU claiming a national championship this year...folks are only pointing out that there are a lot more Cougars and Aggies projected to be pretty decent than there are foaming ice font swimmers up on fantasy hill.

    I had to re-read Chris B's comment. When she referenced 1-7 I didn't realize she meant against "WAC" competition. I thought she was prognosticating where her beloved u would be after their first 8 games in the P5 conference again this year.

  • Rose Bowl call yet? Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2014 12:37 p.m.

    ekute

    "It's silly to say that the Utes are afraid of the Aggies and cougars. Is BYU afraid of Idaho State?"

    Dumb comparison. Idaho State has never been a BYU rival.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    July 17, 2014 12:42 p.m.

    Good to be named to a watch list. BYU has lots of players on watch lists. That's good, shows they were noticed last year.

    Now, lets win. All. Games. For a change.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2014 12:42 p.m.

    Don't u fans have some 'bottom of the mountain looking up' new uniforms or 'what words can we use when we flash the Miami block U and sing the fight song' online polls to be taking instead of commenting on an article that doesn't involve any utes on the two latest watch lists???

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 17, 2014 1:00 p.m.

    There is an opportunty to have so much more here than the proverbial "we own you" "but you still wont go to a bowl game" non-discussion discussion. I obviously have no influence with Utah fans like Chris and Naval, but BYU fans, can we try an experiment upon the word, and unilaterally elevate these boards to a great meeting place for people to discuss valid facts, and opinions, so we can extract every last bit of pure football ecstacy from the dawg days of summer through the final gun of the first ever championship game?

    I apologize if I appear to have given up the fight, but I begin to find it increasingly hard to devote so much of my personal time to something if I allow it to bring out the worst in me.

    So what about other BYU running backs? Might Lasike or Hine or others rise this fall, and in so doing take opportunities away from Williams?

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    July 17, 2014 1:50 p.m.

    yabuts
    Springville, utah

    "Utah's SOS is closer to 5th than it is to 11th."

    Uhh, yabuts, I think Rose Bowl Call Yet? was referring to your coming 11th place finish in the Conference of Champions.

  • 2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0 Ogden, UT
    July 17, 2014 2:07 p.m.

    @Rose Bowl,

    Only in Provo would fans think a team that is 4-0 against their former rival is now afraid of them.

    Truth is, playing other mid-majors like Fresno is more important as it opens up recruiting in important areas.

    We already own you.

    I hope we start offering a 2 for 1 with 2 in Salt Lake, take it or leave it.

    Don't like it? Tough. YOu need games against big boy conferences

    We can go schedule any mid major whenever we want.

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2014 2:46 p.m.

    Y Grad / Y Dad
    Richland, WA

    Nice try but the answer is no. I've tried the same thing in the past.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    July 17, 2014 2:47 p.m.

    Ute Juniors without a bowl

    Actually, it was Utah's AD who was afraid to schedule both BYU and Michigan in the same season because he didn't think U were good enough to handle playing both.

    Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but BYU doesn't need U.

    The only way BYU would ever agree to a 2 for 1 with Utah, would be if the 2 are in LES. There are plenty of other PAC 12 teams who a perfectly willing to schedule home and home series with BYU.

  • RSL* Why, AZ
    July 17, 2014 4:06 p.m.

    Since 2010 USU VS Utes are 1 for 1. I don't think that makes the Utes own USU. The only thing the Utes own USU is $ for buying out their game since they didn't want to play up in Logan this year.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    July 17, 2014 5:02 p.m.

    Chris B -

    I like how he boasts about beating ""WAC and "Mid-Major" teams. lol.

  • CougOrUte..Naah Nibley, UT
    July 17, 2014 5:35 p.m.

    I am impressed that both BYU and USU had players named to both "watch lists". Is it likely that Utah has players just as good as BYU and USUs watch list players? Actually it is very probable that they do. But they also have unknown entities at both of these positions and so they were not named to the watch lists. However, I do take exception to the Ute fans that bag on the players from USU and BYU. Thanks to last year, we have players like Williams, Taysom Hill, Keeton, and Joe Hill that are recognized as talented performers on the field. I am sure if some of the Ute players perform well on the field this year they will be recognized next year. For now, show the class that the U of U represents, and be glad for these young men, whether they represent your university or not. And next year we will do it for the Utes players recognized. Perform on the field and you will get your reward.

  • Jason R Sandy, UT
    July 17, 2014 5:51 p.m.

    Its great to see article after article of BYU players being recognized nationally. I really wish BYU and Utah played this year because it would really silence the ute fans.

    Utes look poised to capture 4 or 5 wins in Wittingham's final season. BYU looks poised to capture 10 or 11 on the backs of their nationally recognized athletes.

    Keep pulling out the SOS card ute fans... its the only thing you got going for you... Go shock the world with another upset win against a TOP notch PAC 12 program who cant find the motivation to play you. Hard to get excited to play a team that is below .500 every year.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 17, 2014 7:00 p.m.

    @Rose Bowl call yet?

    yabuts

    An occassional blowout win proves nothing; 14 of the last 17 head-to-head games (82%) have been decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes or in overtime, with Utah winning a slight 8 of 14 majority of those games

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    * FORTY-TWO percent of Utah's wins have been blowouts over the last 10 years (30% overall)

    * ZERO percent of BYU's wins have been blowouts over the last 18 years.

    So in 18 years BYU has ZERO, in 10 years Utah has rolled over BYU 3 times.

    You can't even compete against our mediocre teams and your ranked teams needed miracles to get a win over Utah. What do you think is going to happen when you play a good Utah team over the next 10 years?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 17, 2014 7:08 p.m.

    Old But Not Stupid
    Moorpark, CA

    yabuts
    Springville, utah

    "Utah's SOS is closer to 5th than it is to 11th."

    Uhh, yabuts, I think Rose Bowl Call Yet? was referring to your coming 11th place finish in the Conference of Champions.

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    BYU 2-5 last year vs P5 teams.

    Any idea how you'll do this year? I'm thinking 1-2.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    July 17, 2014 8:55 p.m.

    I'm disappointed that Sione Takitaki is not on the list.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    July 17, 2014 9:18 p.m.

    Uteology

    Versus PAC 12 Teams during the Bronco/Kyle era (which should be Utah's primary focus)
    Bronco 9-9(50%)
    Kyle 13-21(38%)

    Versus P5 Teams during the PAC/Indy era
    Bronco 6-10(38%)
    Kyle 11-18(38%)

    Any idea how you'll do versus P5 teams this year? I'm thinking 2-8.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    July 17, 2014 10:36 p.m.

    Real Time RPI NCAA Men's Football - Team Power Rankings (2013-2014)

    #47 BYU
    #50 USU
    #70 Utah

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    July 17, 2014 10:44 p.m.

    Uteology

    Since 2006 - BYU has THREE 11+ win, Top 15 seasons

    Since 1894 - Utah has TWO 11+ win, Top 15 seasons

    So in the last 8 years, BYU has had MORE 11+ win, Top 15 seasons, than the Utes have had in the last 120 years.

    How do you explain that if Utah is supposedly "superior", at least in your crimson colored view of the world?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 18, 2014 12:18 a.m.

    PAC man
    Anaheim, CA

    Uteology

    Since 2006 - BYU has THREE 11+ win, Top 15 seasons

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    Sorry to burst your bubble. Since 2004, BYU has quested for what Utah has done TWICE. Utah has never quested for anything BYU has done in the BCS era.

    @mussingaround

    Any idea how you'll do versus P5 teams this year? I'm thinking 2-8.

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    Utah went 6-5 in season one, 2011. I think we go at least 4-6, with a healthy QB.

    BYU is 2-5 vs PAC-12 since going Indy, only wins over 3 win teams. I think Cal wins 4 games this year, so BYU only beats Virgina, in the rain, to go 1-2.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 18, 2014 12:29 a.m.

    PAC man
    Anaheim, CA

    Uteology

    Since 2006 - BYU has THREE 11+ win, Top 15 seasons

    Since 1894 - Utah has TWO 11+ win, Top 15 seasons

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    Wrong, Utah has THREE 1994 AP #10, 2004 #4, 2008 #2 and BYU has TWO 2007 #14 and 2009 #12.

    Utah:
    2009 #18 10-3
    2008 #2 13-0
    2004 #4 12-0
    2003 #21 10-2

    BYU:
    2009 #12 11-2
    2008 #25 10-3
    2007 #14 11-2
    2006 #16 11-2
    2001 #25 12-2

    Utah finished 45-6 (88%) in the MWC and 8-1 (89%) since then against teams like BYU. The SIX of 7 loses were to ranked teams, the other at AP #26 Notre Dame.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 18, 2014 5:06 a.m.

    @PAC man

    So in the last 8 years, BYU has had MORE 11+ win, Top 15 seasons, than the Utes have had in the last 120 years.

    How do you explain that if Utah is supposedly "superior", at least in your crimson colored view of the world?

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    First, I would correct your blue colored view of reality:

    A) BYU has had TWO 11+ win AP top 15 teams in the last 8 years

    B) All those three 11+ teams were ranked below our 1994 #10 10-2 win team

    C) Last 20 years of AP Rankings:

    * Utah: 1994 #10 10-2, 2003 #21 10-2, 2004 #4 12-0, 2008 #2 13-0, 2009 #18 10-2

    * BYU: 1994 #18 10-3, 1996 #5 14-1, 2001 #25 12-2, 2006 #16 11-2, 2007 #14 11-2, 2008 #25 10-3, 2009 #12 11-2

    * AP Top 5 Rankings: Utah 2 BYU 0, Top 10: Utah 3 BYU 1, Top 15: Utah 3 BYU 2

    D) More importantly, in the BCS era Utah has 2 BCS bowl wins, BYU zero

    Second, BYU has quested for what Utah has done TWICE. Utah has never quested for anything BYU has done in the BCS era.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    July 18, 2014 7:29 a.m.

    Uteology

    Since BYU isn't in the PAC 12, who cares what BYU's record versus PAC 12 teams is just since going Indy; BYU is 6-10(38%) versus all P5 teams since 2011.

    Since Utah is in the PAC 12, it is critical what Utah's record versus PAC 12 is since joining the PAC; Utah is 11-18(38%) versus PAC 12 teams since 2011.

    It's laughable how you constantly try to use small sample sizes to skew your "statistics", when any statistician will tell you that small sample sizes yield wildly inaccurate comparisons.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    July 18, 2014 7:57 a.m.

    Uteology

    two words: reading comprehension

    Utah has only won 11+ games in a season TWICE in their entire history, so the statistics I cited are 100% accurate:

    Since 2006 - BYU has THREE 11+ win, Top 15 seasons (2006, 2007 and 2009)

    Since 1894 - Utah has TWO 11+ win, Top 15 seasons (2004 and 2008)

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    Here are a couple more comparisons for you to chew on

    Number of Conference Champions who played in a bowl:
    BYU 20 of 23 (87%)
    Utah 6 of 24 (25%)

    Number of Conference Champions who have been ranked in the AP Top 25
    BYU 14 of 23 (61%)
    Utah 3 of 24 (13%)

    Lifetime AP Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 17
    Utah 5

    Bronco has almost as many since 2006 (4), as Utah has in their entire history (5)

    It's quite obvious which team has been better overall on a national scale; in fact, it's not even close when you compare conference champions who were ranked in the AP and played in a bowl.

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    Back to your small sample sizes and pretending that major college football history began in 1999...

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    July 18, 2014 8:10 a.m.

    Uteology

    BYU/Utah AP/Coaches Top 25 Finishes

    1964 Utah UR/14
    1977 BYU 20/16
    1979 BYU 13/12
    1980 BYU 12/12
    1981 BYU 13/11
    1983 BYU 7/7
    1984 BYU 1/1 National Champions
    1985 BYU 16/17
    1989 BYU 22/18
    1990 BYU 22/17
    1991 BYU 23/23
    1994 BYU 18/10, Utah 10/8
    1996 BYU 5/5
    2001 BYU 25/24
    2003 Utah 21/21
    2004 Utah 4/5
    2006 BYU 16/15
    2007 BYU 14/15
    2008 BYU 25/21, Utah 2/4
    2009 BYU 12/12, Utah 18/18
    2010 Utah UR/23
    2011 BYU UR/25

    As you can clearly see, BYU was ranked in the Top 15 in 2006, 2007 and 2009, and BYU did win 11+ games in each of those seasons

    2006 BYU(11-2) 16/15
    2007 BYU(11-2) 14/15
    2009 BYU(11-2) 12/12

    You may not consider that much of an accomplishment, but how many times in Utah's entire history has Utah had an 11+ win, Top 15 team?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 18, 2014 8:33 a.m.

    @PAC man

    Back to your small sample sizes and pretending that major college football history began in 1999...

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    First, the sample size was from 1994 (20 years). Second you are also selective in your sample size (40 years).

    Why not look at the ENTIRE sample, the entire history?

    Utah:
    All-time record: 628–435–31 (59%)
    Postseason bowl record: 13–4 (77%)
    Conference titles: 24
    Consensus All-Americans: 16

    BYU
    All-time record: 484–369–26 (57%)
    Postseason bowl record: 13–18–1 (42%)
    Conference titles: 23
    Consensus All-Americans: 11

    Overall Head-to-Head: Utah claims a 57–34–4 lead while BYU says Utah dominates 50–30–4.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 18, 2014 8:39 a.m.

    @PAC Man

    LOL ... your backpedaling faster than a BYU DB. Why to come back and justify your statement:

    "So in the last 8 years, BYU has had MORE 11+ win, Top 15 seasons, than the Utes have had in the last 120 years."

    Keep trowing up irrelevant stats. We all see how revelnt BYU is on the national scale today:

    * No undefeated seasons
    * No BCS bowls
    * No BCS Bowl wins
    * No top 10 finishes (Utah 2, TCU 4)
    * Losing record against P5 teams
    * Losing record against top-mid majors (3-9 vs. Utah, 2-5 vs. TCU, and 1-3 vs. Boise)
    * No P5 invite

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    July 18, 2014 8:40 a.m.

    PAC man

    You're wasting your time.

    Uteology will respond with, "Well, during the BCS era... blah, blah, blah"

    Which of course is meaningless, since the poll Utah fans always cite, the AP poll, has absolutely nothing to do with the BCS, in fact, the AP would't even allow the BCS to use their poll.

    Bottom line:

    1984 BYU #1 AP, #1 Coaches tops any poll for any year Uteology chooses to cite, and the "modern era, bcs rules" don't apply to AP poll, which determines its champion in exactly the same way today as it did in 1984, by a simple majority of the AP poll voters.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 18, 2014 8:55 a.m.

    @Rockwell

    Bottom line:

    1984 BYU #1 AP, #1 Coaches tops any poll for any year Uteology chooses to cite, and the "modern era, bcs rules" don't apply to AP poll, which determines its champion in exactly the same way today as it did in 1984, by a simple majority of the AP poll voters.

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    There's is one MAJOR difference. Since 1998, there is a national title championship featuring #1 vs #2. Do you seriously think that MAJORITY of those AP voters are not persuaded by that game?

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2014 9:03 a.m.

    Uteology

    "Why not look at the ENTIRE sample, the entire history?"

    Why not?

    Lifetime Significant Accomplishments

    National Championships
    BYU 1
    Utah none

    Heisman Trophies
    BYU 1
    Utah none

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 17
    Utah 5

    Coaches Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 18
    Utah 7

    AP/Coaches Top 10 Finishes
    BYU 4 (#7/#7 1983, #1/#1 1984, #18/#10 1994, #5/#5 1996)
    Utah 3 (#10/#8 1994, #4/#5 2004, #2/#4 2008)

    National Individual Awards
    BYU 15
    Utah none

    National Hall of Fame Players
    BYU 6
    Utah none

    Bowl Games
    BYU 32
    Utah 17

    BYU has won the two most iconic team and individual awards in major college football - a Crystal Football National Championship Trophy and a Heisman Trophy

    Utah hasn't won a single national award of any kind

    11+ Win Seasons
    BYU 11
    Utah 2

    10+ Win Seasons
    BYU 16
    Utah 6

    Utah has two great recent seasons and a whole bunch of meaningless pre-WAC wins against teams like YMCA and Colorado College, accomplishments so meaningless that none of those teams even sniffed a national ranking and only one of them played in a bowl.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 18, 2014 9:09 a.m.

    Uteology

    "First, the sample size was from 1994 (20 years)."

    Very convenient for U, since that was the first year Utah cracked the AP Top 25, and it allows you to conveniently exclude BYU's National Championship, Heisman Trophy, and TEN AP Top 25 seasons.

    Of course, you wouldn't have any trouble making it a 40-year comparison if Utah had actually accomplished something from 1974 to 1993.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 18, 2014 9:35 a.m.

    @LonestarRunner

    Great! How's your BCS Resume look?

    @Uteanymous
    Very convenient for U, since that was the first year Utah cracked the AP Top 25, and it allows you to conveniently exclude BYU's National Championship, Heisman Trophy, and TEN AP Top 25 seasons.

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    The reason I brought up 1994 is when one of your own made a ridiculous claim of superiority for 11+ win teams which were all ranked below our 1994 10 win team.

    By all means include them all you want, but you haven't sniffed a BCS bowl let alone a NC, Heisman, or a top 10 finish since 1996. Utah has. So please do tell why it matters what talent under Edwards/Chow did?

    I concede BYU dominated the WAC. I never claimed they didn't. Nor have I ever claimed Utah was good during that period.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 18, 2014 9:48 a.m.

    Uteology

    "There's is one MAJOR difference. Since 1998, there is a national title championship featuring #1 vs #2. Do you seriously think that MAJORITY of those AP voters are not persuaded by that game?"

    WRONG!

    In 2003, the AP completely ignored the #1 versus #2 bcs matchup, and chose USC, which didn't even play in the bcs championship game, as their National Champion.

    Since 1979, the AP and Coaches have agreed on the same National Champion 89% (31 of 35).

    The only exceptions were:

    1990 (Colorado, Georgia Tech)
    1991 (Miami, Washington)
    1997 (Michigan, Nebraska)
    2003 (USC, LSU)

    As you can clearly see, it was the disagreement on power conference national champions in the 1990's that fueled the creation of the bcs. It had nothing to do with BYU's national championship, which occurred a decade earlier.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 18, 2014 10:00 a.m.

    Uteology

    "Great! How's your BCS Resume look?"

    Who cares?

    The bcs is dead and Utah's small role during that era will soon be nothing more than a footnote in history. Utah will simply be one of the dozens and dozens of deserving, and undeserving, teams that played in one of the major bowls between 1999 and 2013, although with the ever-changing post-season structure, a "major bowl", 10 years from now, may be nothing more than an also ran post season game for teams that weren't good enough to qualify for the 8- or 16-team playoff - kind of like the post-season NIT of today.

    How's your National Championship and Heisman Trophy resume look?

    Those accomplishments will ALWAYS be an indelible part of major college football history and will never lose their significance.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    July 18, 2014 10:13 a.m.

    Uteology

    Don't kid yourself.

    BYU has dominated Utah in lifetime national accomplishments.

    LonestarRunner's list, which you didn't even try to dispute, is proof of that.

    It's funny how only "recent" accomplishments matter to you in football, but how quickly your self-serving narrative would change if the topic were switched to basketball.

    The truth is, BYU accomplished far more on a national scale from 1979 to 1985, than Utah has accomplished in their entire college football history.

    Regardless of your spin, a "dusty" Crystal Football National Championship Trophy and Heisman Trophy is far more meaningful than a non-existent "missed-it-by-that-much" trophy.

    4-5, 3-6, and 2-7 are proof enough that 2004 and 2008 are no longer "relevant" if that's your criteria for comparing accomplishments.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 18, 2014 10:34 a.m.

    Blah blah blah

    Blah blah blah

    Here's the real issue...since 2011 when significant changes occurred to both programs, Utah went 8-5 (4-5), 5-7 (3-6), 5-7 (2-7). Not a good trend, and not a good program right now. BYU is 10-3, 8-5, 8-5, with only one win against a team finishing ranked (USU), and underachievements and meltdowns against big time programs littering the way (where's our Stanford victory...nada).

    It's time for both programs to put up or shut up because neither one is doing anything of national relevance right now and both run the risk of sinking into obscurity, albeit by different means. We can all brag about 20 yrs ago, or 40 yrs ago, but guess what...it's 2014 and no one cares about Utah's entire TWO dream seasons that happened 10 and 6 years ago. No one cares about BYUs NC that occurred 30 years ago or a heisman trophy that followed a mere 6 years later. These are all great accomplishments, but neither program has done anything since, and no one besides fans on these boards cares. I hope BOTH programs have great years...they need them.

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    July 19, 2014 2:52 p.m.

    I thought Utah had moved on...doesn't look like it. I'd call it obsessed with big brother.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    July 19, 2014 4:57 p.m.

    "Utah has never quested for anything BYU has done in the BCS era."

    Is that why Utah has yet to beat Washington? You should try it sometime. Try as hard against Washington as you do against BYU and you will win. Apparently the "mid-major" BYU is far more important than Washington.