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Letter: America in crisis

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  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    July 17, 2014 3:57 a.m.

    Not exactly a new idea, but just look at how many of these crisis are actually covered by the Constitution?

  • ECR Burke, VA
    July 17, 2014 6:11 a.m.

    Great idea Joseph. Now tell us where to start.

  • Curmudgeon Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2014 6:16 a.m.

    Logical disconnect. How does reducing the size of government make the crises go away?

    "And in that day shall be heard of wars and rumors of wars, and the whole earth shall be in commotion, and men's hearts shall fail them . . ."

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    July 17, 2014 6:28 a.m.

    Or...

    We could only spend maybe twice as much in defense as China.

    And, maybe we should stop invading middle eastern countries? We've spent over $5 trillion Afghanistan and Iraq alone! Obviously, contrary to what your precious Bush said, Iraqi oil ain't gonna pay for that war!

    If only we would stop being the world's policeman. We just cannot afford it anymore. We cannot afford anymore repub charity to other countries, handouts to Haliburton, and handouts to vicious dictators like Karzai.

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    July 17, 2014 7:13 a.m.

    Let's start by cutting military spending by 70%. Half of those issues mentioned would have never been issues were it not for the corporate profiteering at the hands of American death merchants.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    July 17, 2014 7:55 a.m.

    America in crisis? Obama says everything is fine! There is not even a "smidgeon of corruption" in the federal government, the economy is great, Obamacare is wonderful, the exploding national debt isn't a problem, all his scandals are "phoney" and "Al Qaida is on the run"! With "leadership" like that who needs to worry?

  • Atlas Smashed Santa Monica, CA
    July 17, 2014 8:18 a.m.

    Anyone else here have the same hunch as me? Joe didn't have any problem with the size of the ameeican government from 2000-08. Then, something changed in January of 2009. Anyone want to take a guess what?

    And had Romney been elected in 2012, anyone else have a hunch that this letter would have never existed?

    I'll believe joe's convictions and feelings are true and sincere when he writes these types of letters when his president is trampling all over the constitution.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    July 17, 2014 8:23 a.m.

    Get rid of the guvment. Let's turn this place into Somalia.
    But let's keep increasing defense spending and re-invade Iraq.

  • Atlas Smashed Santa Monica, CA
    July 17, 2014 8:28 a.m.

    @ Mountain Man

    Remember when your president said that we'd be treated as liberators in Iraq?

    With leadership like that, who needs terrorists?

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    July 17, 2014 8:31 a.m.

    And when we stop treatment, the cancer goes away! Voila. Excellent right wing logic.

  • E Sam Provo, UT
    July 17, 2014 8:32 a.m.

    Brilliant. Translation: we have all kinds of problems only government can solve. So what we need is less government. Love the reasoning. My car just broke Dow, and my new job is a longer commute from my home. Obvious solution: sell the car, and invest in better shoes.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    July 17, 2014 8:39 a.m.

    Wow. Brilliant!

  • Darrel Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 17, 2014 8:41 a.m.

    Ah yes, that nasty Federal Government that will not allow Utah to run as a theocracy.

    That unrighteously asserts Article VI and Amendments V and XIV to the National Constitution when striking down our wishes to violate that document.

    That entity which forces us to preserve the natural beauty of our lands so we can sell it to oil drillers. We are concerned about National Debt being left to our granchildren, but pay no thought as to the state of the planet we would leave them.

    That Government that has kept us safe from our enemies. That Government for which countless millions have shed their blood to create and protect. That Government which fostered an environment for the Restoration of the Gospel. That Government that ensures responsibility of every citizen to provide for their Healthcare.

    Yes, we need to dismantle that and re-instate Good Ol' Utah values of "If you don't like it leave" And where we preach family values, but do not live them.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    July 17, 2014 8:48 a.m.

    @ Atlas Smashed: Actually we did liberate Iraq! Got rid of a murdering dicator just like we have done dozens of times before and threatened to do again in Syria. We gave Iraq a wonderful opportunity. Too bad they and Obama squandered it and yes, we will be attacked again by our enemies who want to murder you! Obama apolgized to them, didn't he? So why are they still trying to kill us?

    @ E Sam: The government created most of our crisises, please explain how you think the government is capable of solving any of them!

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    July 17, 2014 9:20 a.m.

    The largest crisis America has ever faced will come to an end in November when liberals lose control of the Senate but even more so in 2016 when Obama leaves the White House! Then the rest of us can restore America's dignity, opportunities for all those who are willing to work and along with it, our greatness and pride as a nation!

  • Darrel Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 17, 2014 9:56 a.m.

    @Thid Barker

    The largest crisis America has ever faced

    ========

    Hyperbole much? The Great Depression? Pearl Harbor? World War II? 9/11? The Revolution? The Civil War? Are all of these less of a crisis we faced then ... Barack Obama and a Democratic Majority in the Senate?

    Inflammatory rhetoric is what makes discourse and discussion impossible. It is one thing to disagree with the way Government is moving and provide solutions to fix it; and another thing entirely to scream the sky is falling and provide no solutions.

  • Atlas Smashed Santa Monica, CA
    July 17, 2014 10:14 a.m.

    @ Thid

    2 wars, a failing economy, bursting debt, a corrupt regime, and millions of Americans lost their jobs in 2008. America was in crisis while your president fiddled.

    Democrats will continue to control the Senate and will win the White House for 8 more years.

    President Clinton, welcome to the White House.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    July 17, 2014 10:28 a.m.

    I am old enough to remember the mess of the many crisises in which Jimmy Carter left our nation! We overcame Jimmy Carter, we can and will over come Barrack Obama too! That is our real hope and change and to most Americans (according to recent polls) it is not "inflamitory" but a source of strength! Can't wait until November!

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    July 17, 2014 11:02 a.m.

    @mountainman. We should have never been in Iraq in the first place. It is not our job to liberate people, right? Otherwise we should be liberating all those immigrants at the border.

  • Confused Sandy, UT
    July 17, 2014 11:15 a.m.

    Atlas....

    For a minute I thought you were talking about Obama.. because that pretty much describes his presidency...

    For the Record, Most Republicans were not happy with Bush either. because he was a bit a big spender... thus the boot of the GOP in 2008 in both the House and Senate.

    What I understand as an Independent, is the GOP supporters want a return to basic GOP principles.. Smaller Government, Less taxes for people, economic policies that support the free market and above all a Strong Military to "DETOUR" attacks..

    If Mitt had been elected, we may or may not have the issues we have today... but one thing is certain...Obama's lack of Leadership is the reason we have so many issues today. Many of Liberals are now starting to think this way as well.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    July 17, 2014 11:23 a.m.

    OK - Let's compare:

    Liberal plan --

    America 1st.
    American jobs, for Americans.
    American taxes, for American problems.

    Tea-Publican solution?

    Invade foregin countries for no real cause, threat or reason -- but OIL.
    Spend $5 Trilllion with NO plan to pay for it.
    Allow, even encourage businesses to off-shore to COMMUNIST China,
    Handing-out no-bid contracts, bailing out WallStreet, and Corporations --
    while taking away from the poor, sick and the needy.
    Play the World's Police Force -- to avoid all those "Just-in-Case", they're coming to get us -- paranoid scenarios.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 17, 2014 11:31 a.m.

    In the far far distant future, might there be some intelligence that would ponder the reason for the extinction of most of the life on earth, including those known as human beings. Would they choose the cause as being the comet that smashed into the earth and disregard any evidence of the world wide atomic war that was going on at the time.

  • Confused Sandy, UT
    July 17, 2014 1:13 p.m.

    Open Mind....

    You think the Tea Party wants to invade other countries? Have you send Rand Paul's rants lately (he is the Tea Party poster child)?

    "Allow, even encourage businesses to off-shore to COMMUNIST China, "

    um.... Did Obama BORROW billions of dollars from the COMMUNIST China of which you speak? So it is better to borrow from them, than to send businesses off shore? Both are equally wrong.

  • Emerger Magna, Salt Lake, UT
    July 17, 2014 1:23 p.m.

    Think about it Curmudgeon: Vastly reduce the size of government, and you automatically reduce the number of those who make up most of the crises.

  • Emerger Magna, Salt Lake, UT
    July 17, 2014 1:28 p.m.

    That's an easy one, ECR, but we're only allowed 200 words in each posting. Seriously, we could start with all those agencies and programs that are not enumerated in the Constitution.

  • Emerger Magna, Salt Lake, UT
    July 17, 2014 1:33 p.m.

    You've got me wrong, Atlas Smashed. I've had a problem with the size of government for many years. Up until Obama was elected, I considered GWB the worst president in US history. Now, he's the second worst.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    July 17, 2014 3:21 p.m.

    Confused said, "For the Record, Most Republicans were not happy with Bush either. because he was a bit a big spender... thus the boot of the GOP in 2008 in both the House and Senate."

    If Republicans were so unhappy with George Bush why did he get re-elected? If you guys would just accept that you made a bad choice instead of disclaiming your support for the guy, you might have some credibility today. But you don't. Six years of obstructionism without doing anything significant in Congress has only added to the lack of credibility Republicans bring to the table.

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2014 9:33 p.m.

    I still have to remember Ted Cruz being interviewed on CNN and being asked the question, "What have you done to solve any problems that you are complaining about?" Mr. Cruz didn't know what to say and got visibly frustrated. The interviewer kept asking he question and there was no answer from an obviously befuddled Cruz.

    I loved U-Tube for replaying that millions of times. No answers then, and no answers now.

    We former GOP supporters are amazed by the lack of effort, leadership, compromise and what little, if anything the GOP has accomplished in the last 6 years.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    July 17, 2014 9:55 p.m.

    Health care, energy, global warming, infrastructure deterioration, all can be fixed with a smaller, and of course less costly to you government? Do tell...how? Now's your chance. Fix it. Spend less, and do so much more. Now. If this is all you've got, it had better be enough. Show us how. Please.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    July 17, 2014 11:22 p.m.

    I might suggest turning off the TV for a couple of hours, take a drive up in the mountains and I imagine you will survive the day...

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    July 18, 2014 7:02 a.m.

    @ Emerger
    "You've got me wrong, Atlas Smashed. I've had a problem with the size of government for many years. Up until Obama was elected, I considered GWB the worst president in US history. Now, he's the second worst."

    So you voted for Kerry in 2004, correct?

    And how many letters to the editor did you write back then criticizing the Bush regime?

    Repubs, if you wish to have any credibility then you need to be consistent. Don't sweep your principles and convictions under the rug when a repub is in charge. Repubs cheerleading as Bush drove this country off a cliff and then criticizing Obama before he even moved into the White House doesn't win you any credibility at all. And seeing the GOP's dismal approval rating, most Americans see through your smoke and mirrors.

  • Confused Sandy, UT
    July 18, 2014 7:56 a.m.

    ECR....

    IF you look at GWB spending, most of it came in the second term. That is where he started doing the Democrats "Creative" funding.

    That is also why he lost the Senate at mid term.

    Yes, most of the GOP people I have talked to did not like Bush because of his spending habits...

  • Confused Sandy, UT
    July 18, 2014 7:59 a.m.

    Real Maverick....

    If you are going to call out the Republicans for complaining about Obama and Not GWB...

    Then at least be as consistent yourself (as you want the republicans to be) and stop white washing the current President failings.

    I remember a lot of "Conservatives" that bashed on Bush for his spending habits, I can not say the same about the "Liberals" doing the same with Obama.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    July 18, 2014 8:38 a.m.

    @Confused
    Sandy, UT

    Then at least be as consistent yourself (as you want the republicans to be) and stop white washing the current President failings.

    =========

    I accept your challenge...

    I'm mad that Obama --

    shutdown GW Bush and the other Republicans "Patriot Act" NSA spy-ring,
    that the ACA [Obamacare] didn't offer a Single Payer option!
    Is not alternative energy "Green" enough.
    Hasn't really crackdown on WallStreet, Banks, and the Oil Companies.
    Got us out of Afghanistan by now,
    Has raised taxes on Millionaires and Billionaires, but has on everyone else,

    I could go on, but you get the picture.
    He's more Moderate, Center-Left,
    than the so-called "worst President EVER" hysterical lunatics say he is.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    July 18, 2014 7:41 p.m.

    I'll call myself the true consistent person on these blogs, I've criticized the President and GWB pretty much on a regular basis.

    But I'm still concerned about this letter writer. He still needs to take that drive in the mountain and enjoy the beauty of nature. I'm watching the British Open on TV right now, it's soothing...

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2014 11:39 p.m.

    RE: Atlas Smashed "Then, something changed in January of 2009. Anyone want to take a guess what?"

    Now don't tell me, don't tell me. Oh, I got it - the economies of the western nations collapsed. And you blame Obama for it. He must have been really fast to tank the economy in a matter of days.

    You Obama haters are just too much.