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Richard Davis: Latter-day Saints should appreciate the president

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  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    July 16, 2014 12:11 a.m.

    Wow, I'm impressed that you guys printed this. This comment board sure is going to be fun...

  • Tuffy Parker Salem, UT
    July 16, 2014 12:27 a.m.

    As president, Jimmy Carter was a kind and warm person - perhaps one of the most genuine men to ever serve in that office. However, being a good guy did not prevent him from being one of the worst presidents ever until now.

    By many accounts President Obamba is a wonderful person but under his administration constitutional law is routinely circumvented, abandoning the DOMA opened the floodgates for the current same-sex marriage fiasco, the ACA mandates availability of what many consider to be abortion pills, our national defense is at its weakest in decades and our foreign policy is in shambles. Add to that Benghazi, IRS targeting and the Taliban for Bergdahl swap to help define his time in office. I have a hard time understanding what any Mormon or other concerned citizen can celebrate about this administration.

    I'm happy to applaud President Obama as a husband, father and man of faith but cannot, in good conscience, find much to approve in his presidential leadership.

  • Vladhagen Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2014 12:32 a.m.

    I have nothing against President Obama the person. He seems to actually be a decent person, I feel. I do not approve of his policies however. This article is clearly wriitten by someone who is skewing what the approval poll was asking. The poll did not ask "Is Barack Obama a good man?" It instead asked "Do you approve of President Obama?" I can very easily answer yes to the first question and still say no to the second.

  • Crisco B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2014 12:35 a.m.

    Did President O save some Mormons money with Obama Care? Perhaps. But he cost thousands of others higher insurance premiums, so go fish. We cannot say he saved people money without also pointing out that he cost others money.

  • Cougar Blue 1 Henderson , NV
    July 16, 2014 12:39 a.m.

    This can not be a serious article right? I know this is an opinion piece, but wow!! You would have thought Jay Carney wrote this. Sadly the Obama machine has infiltrated DN.

  • across the sea Topeno, Finland
    July 16, 2014 1:45 a.m.

    a dear friend is in a Utah hospital...without insurance...dual brain surgeries...about to loose her home...the bill is over a million...
    Affordable healthcare is a joke abd so is affordable insurance, because it is based on the most ineffective money making health "service" in the world (most expensive per capita -even with 50 mil less- and non insured.)
    ...another friend with severe diabetes told me the day he got his new "affordable" insurance bill that he now pays 3600 USD more.
    if Obama would care about families...he would stay at Camp David for Christmas. instead of flying back and forth to Hawaii (hundreds of spoiled christmases to his staff, security, Air Force etc...
    Sad to say, but Obama only cares for his mandate.
    That is why I dislike his presidency.

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2014 2:21 a.m.

    Okay, Obama is a nice guy, that has nothing to do with his job performance.

    Under his presidency the National debt has increased by almost $7 trillion. Many Americans are still unemployed, while he and his family take vacations around the world, costing taxpayers roughly $44 million so far. He has spent over a half year of his time in office playing golf. His speeches show him to be an arrogant person, I, I, I...

    Troop withdrawal from Iraq is more due to Iraq Government than Obama's doing. Afghanistan is not yet over. Had it not been for public outcry, Obama would have US troops fighting in Syria now. They're still working on that. For a Nobel Peace Prize recipient Obama is quite the war monger.

    Most LDS revere the Constitution as a sacred document, Obama has overreached the authority granted the president in the Constitution.

    Obamacare is a way to collect revenue for a financially broke government. It is affordable for some, because it is subsidized by taxpayers.

    He promised transparency and has presided over the most secretive administration.

    Voted for Obama in 2008. Could not vote for him in 2012. He was not true to his promises.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    July 16, 2014 2:57 a.m.

    I don't like the direction he has taken the country. I did not vote for a father or preacher. His invitation was to promote his agenda in immigration. I think his actions as President lost him 20% of his support. When you factor in Romney, we are the same as Protestants.

    Maybe he needs to lead instead of dictate.

  • Allisdair Thornbury, Vic
    July 16, 2014 3:52 a.m.

    Thank you for the incite into the President's life.

  • waikiki_dave Honolulu, HI
    July 16, 2014 4:01 a.m.

    Fantastic article, I applaud the DN, give them three cheers: hip hip hurray, hip hip hurray, hip hip hurray!!! Okay then, now it's time to turn words into action. Support Obama, support the President including: Obamacare, marriage equality, gun control, foreign policy in the Middle East, immigration reform, on and on and on.

  • Daniel Ben Herndon, VA
    July 16, 2014 4:39 a.m.

    It would be more correct to say that President Obama pulled our troops out of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The wars rage on.

    He is a family man who does not understand the true meaning of family. He promotes the "alternative lifestyle" which, if practiced by too many, would eradicate families. I, for one, will be happy when this democratically-elected dictator is no longer president.......unless he is replaced by Hillary. I'm not sure who is worse.

  • Mend USA, AP
    July 16, 2014 5:04 a.m.

    On the opposite side: 1. He has record setting spending deficits. We cannot sustain the current deficit spending. The church doesn't believe in that. 2. His views on same gender marriage is in conflict with A Proclamation to the World. 3. The help to the military is contradicted by the out of proportion sequestration burden the military has had to bear. 4. Should we include tobacco, alcohol, and cannabis use?

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    July 16, 2014 5:23 a.m.

    This is one of the weakest articles I have ever read. Come on DN you can do better.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    July 16, 2014 5:42 a.m.

    Amen Brother, Amen!

    Now -- Que the Obama haters, in 3...2...1...

  • ECR Burke, VA
    July 16, 2014 5:45 a.m.

    Thank you Professor Davis, for this thoughtful assessment that I hope all members of my church will consider regarding their president. It's interesting that our current president, as you describe, has all the qualities of character - family values - that everyone was clamoring for just two decades ago and yet people seem to look past those qualities when making their judgments. In his time in office the economy has turned from hemorrhaging 900,000 jobs a month to now growing 150,000 per month and the stock market has more than doubled in size. We were able to capture and kill our number one enemy and our troops are coming home from a decade long csmpaign on foreign soil - all good things.

    I don't expect everyone to embrace everything he has done as being perfect. Certainly he is not. And I know there are sharp differences in where we all want the country to go but the things you describe are worth considering as we make our overall judgement of the man.

  • John Kateel Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2014 6:14 a.m.

    This is a very thoughtful opinion piece. Even though I am not LDS, I believe that the nuclear family is the center of the world's social structure. President Barack Obama is a great father, husband, and President in my eyes. His willingness to reform healthcare is the main reason I voted for him twice. Now we have improving prenatal and postnatal care for babies and expectant mothers and families that may no longer go bankrupt for medical reasons. President Obama is now fighting for gay and transgender families. His AG is fighting for their rights to get married and adopt kids. I was also ignorant of the struggles that gays and lesbians faced in their daily lives until I took the time to know them personally. My wife and I are now allies in their cause. I have seen how successfully a gay couple has raised their adopted son and now their adopted daughter. What a beautiful thing to see in this world. Their smiles and laughter from being loved by such caring parents. Thank you President Obama for all you do.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    July 16, 2014 6:24 a.m.

    The three reasons you posted here are not sufficient for voting for a person for the highest office in the land. I personally know hundreds of men who are good fathers, friendly to the LDS church, and are devout in their religious practices. But none of them would make a good president. My issues with Obama stem from his policies, his penchant for blaming others (he and his supporters have wandered far from "the buck stops here" philosophy of Truman), and his general incompetence.

    He might have made a great president some day but he just wasn't prepared to be president yet. His victories were an artifact of a celebrity mentality among young voters and a racist mentality among minority voters. I wish he had been up to the job. His premature grasp for the presidency has, I'm afraid, diminished the legacy he could have had if he had been more patient and waited until he was a little more seasoned before seeking the highest position in the land.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    July 16, 2014 6:41 a.m.

    "This suggests that Utahns’ disapproval goes beyond the job Obama is doing to the person himself."

    Ya Think?

    The seething hatred for Obama from many of those on the right is palpable and is very evident in some of the comments in this newspaper.

    I find it sad that people (left and right) cannot differentiate the person from various politics that you disagree with.

    As the article points out, Obama is a fairly likeable person and a good father and husband.
    It's too bad that even staunchly "Christian" people become so un-"Christlike" when politics are involved.

  • CKJ1 Murray, UT
    July 16, 2014 7:19 a.m.

    You have got to be kidding with this article. This President is destroying the country and dismantling all the institutions we hold dear. He is destroying religious freedom or at least trying to.( see Hobby Lobby case)As a state Senator he voted three times in favor of a law that would allow a doctor to find a live baby who survived an abortion and murder it. You want us to support this? He represents a philosophy that feels America needs to be "fundamentally transformed" into a nation none of us would recognize. His "family values" you claim he represents by being " a good father" and his "christian values" are more likely based on political expediency than anything else. He tramples on the constitution almost daily. His administration is involved in more scandals than we can even count anymore and is clearly involved in covering them up any way they can. That is why Church members don't support him, not because he defeated Mitt Romney in the election. An election by the way that was rife with voter fraud and IRS intimidation on the part of his campaign.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    July 16, 2014 7:21 a.m.

    Thanks Mr. Davis your article proved a catalyst to show just how uninformed the opposition to the President is.

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    July 16, 2014 7:43 a.m.

    A new poll shows that 68% of Republicans want to impeach Obama! Objective measures of Obama's presidency show that he has done a good job of governing with his health care reform, getting us out of Bush's wars, dropping the unemployment rate to 6.1%, reducing the budget deficit steadily through out his term, and bringing the country back from the economic brink.

    The antipathy towards Obama says more about Republicans than about Obama. Conservatives are reeling from the catastrophic failures of Bush/Cheney, the changing demographics of the country, the success of the Gay marriage movement, the failure of trickle down economics, failure of conservatives to ban abortion, etc.

    Unfortunately, President Obama has come to represent the fears and failures of the conservative movement, and a shrinking white middle class demographic.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    July 16, 2014 7:46 a.m.

    With the exception of the fact that he is a good family man, I can't really see anything to recommend him. And it is BECAUSE I am a very informed person that I disapprove of him. I don't see how any LDS person could support him.

  • dung beetle Bountiful, UT
    July 16, 2014 7:48 a.m.

    It's pretty difficult for a Latter-day Saint to approve of or even like a liar. I guess Professor Davis has forgotten the lies about keeping your doctor and health care plan, about the most open administration in history, etc. etc. This president has a record of mendacity unparalleled in American history.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    July 16, 2014 7:52 a.m.

    Wow, the vitriol is just oozing from most of the comments here.

    @Tuffy Parker;

    DOMA was ruled Unconstitutional. Why is it that you feel you have the right to tell other people whom they may or may not marry? What gave you the right to vote on the rights of your fellow citizens in the first place? (hint: you couldn't).

    @Mend;

    We're not a theocracy and your church's opinions are irrelevant to public policy.

  • Upson Downs Sandy, UT
    July 16, 2014 7:56 a.m.

    Is it April Fool's Day or what?

  • SEC Rules Seminole, FL
    July 16, 2014 7:57 a.m.

    I appreciate the office, but that's as far is it goes.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    July 16, 2014 8:02 a.m.

    Mormons perhaps more than any other people, relgious or otherwise, trust their leaders. Mr. Obama is simply not trustworthy, period!

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2014 8:11 a.m.

    I am not LDS
    The problem I have with the presidents social policies is that they reflect left wing extremism and the Orwellian hypocrisy of advocating tolerance and choice while being intolerant of any one else's choice. Forcing nuns to pay for birth control then crying victim when they resist being a typical example.
    His financial polices have left the US in a permanent recession
    Medical policies simply don't work
    Foreign policy is a joke
    Blatant political theater built on the backs of immigrant children is horrifically heinous.
    But mostly I think he is simply narcissistic and petulant and prone to passive/aggressive whining. Race baiting in order to divert attention away for incompetence is offensive. That is not leadership,
    Perhaps this article was printed to make it clear that opposition to any specific president is not LDS policy. Yet, I don't know why LDS people should be impressed with Obama. I don't know why anyone is.

  • Dr. G Bountiful, UT
    July 16, 2014 8:13 a.m.

    Or maybe its not that Mormons worry about Who Obama is, but the future he ushers in--one born of apathetic "leading from behind" that threatens the United States with civil unrest if not civil war at home between factions who have been inflamed by Obama's moral and economic class warfare while at the same time fomenting hatred among long time allies due to Obama clearly opposing their vital interests.

    Obama's leadership, on a host of economic and geopolitical issues, is not only lacking, at times it appears non-existent. His unexplainable inaction threatens the fall of the United States in the long-term precisely as the Athenian Empire collapsed. It was the arrogance of Athens toward its allies that turned it into the most hated political entity despite the shift to Democracy. Thucydides paints a picture of the Athenian arrogance that converted its image into the great evil empire.

    Obama's leadership is not different than Athens and its tearing the world apart. Maybe Mormons are simply more tuned into the fall of Rome. Or in this case the USA. And they're not letting Obama go quietly into the night for his part in it.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    July 16, 2014 8:12 a.m.

    Richard, A lot left out on this very rose colored view. First, are you aware that in spite of the wind down of the wars, the world is now becoming more dangerous, which may require a much bigger war in the future. Obamas fault. Our debt has added almost 8 trillion dollars. Obamas fault. Obama has attended almost 400 fund raisers, where I'm sure he was not being a dad. At this point Bush had attended some 200. His Presidency is now seen as one of the least transparant. So much scandle. So much public distrust. So much wrong with Obama that any clear thinking person has to see that there is little for an honest LDS person to admire, in spite of his family life. A President has to be much more to a country than a good father. By the way, ACA is not exactly getting off to a winning start either, in spite of what you may be reading. And I hope you are not trying to teach this stuff to any students at BYU. American students get enough of the left wing ONLY propaganda at 99% of other universities, they don't need it from you at BYU.

  • Beart SAINT LOUIS, MO
    July 16, 2014 8:13 a.m.

    With certainty, Presidnt Obama has disappointed many in his own party, and among the obscene majority of LDS who have bought into the conservative propaganda, he will never be seen as acceptable. There is some interesting information in the book about President David O. McKay regarding the sharp move toward conservatism in the 1950s and 60s, as well s ongoing racism among all too many church members, who should know better.

    My question over and over to them is "What are you going to do when you find out for certain that Jesus espouses what you call 'liberal' ideas?" Another might be, "How can you actually believe you have a place in his kingdom when you are so ready to shut out as lazy and useless those he has called your brothers and sisters?"

    If you despise Pres. Obama because he defeated Mitt Romney, then maybe you ought to rethink Romney's positions on issues important to our Heavenly Father's children: i.e. food, shelter, affordable health care, among them and wonder why, if Romney were the right person, the Lord didn't pave the way for his election.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    July 16, 2014 8:15 a.m.

    There are a lot of "devoted fathers" spending years at the Point of the Mountain. Being a "devoted father" or someone who tells us that he is religious has nothing to do with his job performance or with his personal honesty (or lack of honesty).

    Aren't Utah Attorneys General Mark Shurtleff and John Swallow both "devoted fathers"? Don't they both attend church regularly? Didn't they both file charges against those in our State who were lawless? Didn't they make Utah a safer place to live?

    Would a "religious" President lie about ObamaCare? Would he lie about the I.R.S. scandal? Would he lie about Benghazi? Would he lie about inviting illegal aliens into the U.S.?

    Sorry, Mr. Davis. The least we expect from a President is honesty and personal integrity. Obama fails that test. Honoring a man because he is a father is not proper criteria to honor a dishonest President.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    July 16, 2014 8:27 a.m.

    There is much to like and respect of BO. Many of those who dislike his policies take to demonizing a good man without substance. His critics would garner more respect and a mindful ear if they accurately voiced truthful objections instead of unsubstantied stories.

  • TOO Sanpete, UT
    July 16, 2014 8:29 a.m.

    No offense to the writer, but this whole article is ludicrous.

    How are Obama's personal characteristics a reflection on his policies? The way he is as a father and a Christian have no affect on me as a citizen of the country he runs. His policies, however affect me on a daily basis. And THAT is why I do not like the man.

    George Bush was a good husband, father, and Christian. I did not like him either. I'm sure they both think/thought their policies are good for me, but in reality they are crippling me. So no, it has nothing to do with the man. It has everything to do with how he runs a government.

  • JDL Magna, UT
    July 16, 2014 8:29 a.m.

    Really? This is a weak article indeed.

  • Casey See FLOWER MOUND, TX
    July 16, 2014 8:30 a.m.

    Having lived in Chicago suburbs for many years, Mr Obama is operating under the rules of Chicago type politics practiced during Mayor Daily and Governor Blogevich. that is reward your friends, appease those of your party or those who can advance your goals, and destroy or minimize your political enemies. Under no situation should you do anything to help a political enemy even for the good of the community.

    We see that with the IRS, where it was used as a weapon to attack enemies. Benghazi information released incorrectly to help ensure reelection, etc.

    Blogevich was a family man, but he is still sitting in prison for trying to sell the open senate seat left by Obama's election to President. Look at Obama's political appointments. They are nothing more than giving plum assignments to those who helped him without verifying ability to perform. (At least two appointments were withdrawn when the candidate couldn't articulate basic information about the countries they were being appointed to as ambassadors.)

    So being a nice guy to your friends doesn't win any accolades in my book.

  • jskains Orem, UT
    July 16, 2014 8:31 a.m.

    Yes, lets ignore the NSA snooping, the IRS scandals, Bengazi, his attempts to bypass congress and avoid checks and balances, his irrational gun control views, his lies about ObamaCare not being a Tax, then it becoming a tax to avoid 10th amendment questions. Lets ignore the fact that while the unemployment numbers have "gone down", most of it is due to people GIVING UP. yes, I am an uninformed racist who opposes Obama and has no good reasoning behind it.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    July 16, 2014 8:32 a.m.

    This whole article sounds like is was written by Jay Carney.

    While we want a good husband and father who shares our religious values in the White House, even more we want an honest, competent, leader to be president and Obama is none of these.

    From the article:
    "This suggests that Utahns’ disapproval goes beyond the job Obama is doing to the person himself."

    Baloney! This president has bad policies. Period. We would feel the same way about it if it were Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, or Hillary Clinton in the office and doing an equally poor job. His policies are a disaster to this country. That is why his approval rating among Mormons and everyone else in the country are so low.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    July 16, 2014 8:39 a.m.

    Whether we approve of a particular politician's policies or not, we should be able to see and acknowledge the good in them. There are so many that fall so short in their personal lives. When one does not it is cause to celebrate. It does not mean we all have to agree with them. But we can and should be rational and balanced in our views and critiques.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    July 16, 2014 8:41 a.m.

    RanchHand: "Wow, the vitriol is just oozing from most of the comments here."

    Yes there is deep opposition to this president's policies and the far-left agenda in general. Call it vitriol if you want, but it is well deserved.

    What surprises me the most is how those who spewed out the most vitriol against Bush and continue to do so against the GOP (Obama being one of those throwing stones) seem to think this is only bad behavior now that it is directed at them. Obama had no problem as Senator and now as President blaming Bush and the House for everything, yet he can't take any criticism without calling his detractors racist haters. Talk about "oozing vitriol".

  • TOO Sanpete, UT
    July 16, 2014 8:46 a.m.

    May I just remind the author of one thing...Harry Reid is also LDS. As are/were Chris Cannon, Bob Bennett, Orrin Hatch, and many other LDS folk whom I disagree with adamantly.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    July 16, 2014 8:45 a.m.

    Obama’s low standing in Utah has less to do with him personally than with Utah’s politics. The last Democratic Presidential candidate to win Utah was Lyndon Johnson half a century ago in the 1964 Goldwater debacle. In the 1984 race, when Reagan won 49 of 50 states, Utah was the state that gave him his largest percentage margin of victory. I believe that was also true for GW Bush.

    How long that will hold up is anyone's guess. But Utah's demographics are shifting with the influx of new people migrating into the southwestern region.

  • GB Silver Spring, MD
    July 16, 2014 8:49 a.m.

    The article is based on the premise that "This suggests that Utahns’ disapproval goes beyond the job Obama is doing to the person himself." The word "This" apparently refers to the first few paragraphs of the article. However, nothing in those paragraphs, other than an unsupported conjecture that some people's disapproval of Obama is based on a continuing grudge for him beating Romney, suggests that anyone's disapproval is based on "the person himself." All the people I know who disapprove of Obama do so because of his actions as president, not because of any personal reasons. It's great that he spends time with his kids though!

  • Fan Base Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2014 8:53 a.m.

    Apparently you believe that since I'm a Mormon, I should prefer certain political leaders over others. If you want to write a piece telling about how much you like the President that's fine. If the President and my church leaders are on friendly terms, that's fine too. It's wonderful that you adore his policies but please do not say that because I'm the same religion as you that I should like him too.

  • Danish American Payson, UT
    July 16, 2014 8:56 a.m.

    So many people on the comments have said that Obama is a nice guy. What I have seen and heard from him is whiner who is thin skinned and complains that everything that happens is not his fault. In addition to that, his progressive policies have weakened the United States internally and in the world. Why on earth would we appreciate him?

  • BigWaveDave Orem, UT
    July 16, 2014 9:05 a.m.

    While I can commend Pres. Obama for being a concerned father, and recognizing God's influence in our lives, those attributes do NOT excuse his miserable performance in office over the past 5 1/2 years. He has usurped powers of the legislative branch, insulted our international friends, and spent more time vacationing than any previous president. His ACA is costing more citizens more money for healthcare, with fewer options. He has reduced the US military to nothing more than a "paper tiger". The Russians and Chinese are doing more than just "saber rattling" now that they see the US as no threat to their expansion dreams. The US could be on its way to energy(oil) independence, were it not for the Obama administration's tyrannical blocking of development of our oil and gas reserves. Overall, I give the President a grade of "F", and wish our Congress had the will to impeach him.

  • Common-Tator Saint Paul, MN
    July 16, 2014 9:06 a.m.

    Interesting cherry-picking of reasons why one should "admire" President Obama. I noticed you did not elect to include personal choices such regular drug use (and encouragement of peers to do so with him) during his formative years; lack of leadership experience prior to becoming president; policy statements concerning homosexuality in marriage directly in opposition with stated LDS Doctrine ... the list could go on at length for the differences between what President Obama has done in office (and before), and the typical lifestyle / belief of a Latter-day Saint.

    One might also question your highlighting his "religion" as a positive, as the particular choice of place to worship during his Illinois years is not exactly reflective of Christianity at large, nor his personal practices (save time with his children) in line with what most church followers (LDS or not) would consider practicing what one preaches.

    I would hope many could be excellent fathers ... and yet I might considerably disagree with their policies in many other venues.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    July 16, 2014 9:14 a.m.

    Daniel Ben,

    "....He [Obama] is a family man who does not understand the true meaning of family. He promotes the "alternative lifestyle" which, if practiced by too many, would eradicate families...."
    ______________________________

    I presume you’re alluding to Obama’s advocacy of gay rights and same sex marriage. By all accounts I’m familiar with, the President and First Lady have always led a traditional and conservative lifestyle. So do I and I also support the causes of tolerance and embracing diversity.

    E pluribus unum (one out of many). That’s what America is, lest we forget.

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    July 16, 2014 9:15 a.m.

    Hitler liked dogs and was personally kind to children as well. He treated Eva Braun quite well too. Should we venerate and reverence him? Goebbels was a very good father and family man, and the Goebbels children were well liked by all.

    By the standards of this article and the modern American left, that excuses all of their policies, correct?

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    July 16, 2014 9:20 a.m.

    BTW --

    I "appreciated" GW Bush for 8 years while I watched in horror of what he did,
    without making it a full-time job or self-appointed duty to destroy him or this NATION !

    And THAT is my beef with the Neo-Cons Mormons here in Utah!

    Those who are constntly putting their PARTY,
    ahead of America,
    ahead of their Church,
    and ahead of what's right over what's wrong.

    Their un-wavering defense of Swallow and Shurleff is fine example of that.

  • Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UT
    July 16, 2014 9:27 a.m.

    Most LDS people are so deeply rooted in the principles of "right and wrong" that they are forced to dislike President Obama by their own minds.

    They spend their lives trying to be "right" in all they do. "Be ye therefore perfect.." So as a result they view 'opposite' views as wrong... no matter what! Unfortunately that view/mindset spills into politics.

    LDS people who are Democrats are the same 'extreme' towards their people, as Republicans are to theirs. It's about the search for perfection... and "no man can serve to masters" So if you're a LDS Democrat in your mind.. only Dems are right. If you're an LDS Republican... only Reps are right... All others.... EVIL!

  • IDC Boise, ID
    July 16, 2014 9:28 a.m.

    Reasons to like Obama. He is intelligent, has a great sense of humor, is a great speaker, and is an excellent politician. Unfortunately, he has really bad ideas.

    Reasons for mormons to not like Obama. Abortion, gay marriage, loss of personal freedoms, loss of personal accountability, increased taxes, increased government interference.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    July 16, 2014 9:36 a.m.

    In his first term as president of USA the president addressed the schools and reitereated what has often been said in Utah about the importance of education. The schools in our local area forbid the principals to paly that to the students for fear of....I am not sure what.

    If you read or listen to that talk today it could have come from the podium in SLC but it was kept back from the black man who beat Romney.

    Where I work there is animosity about having a black man as president and this was not addressed in the article, and this causes more fear and loathing for what might have been a great presidency. the people seem to think the more they hate or despise him the better that makes them as member of the GOP or members of a church I am not sure.

    I do know that all his ideas are not bad, not great but not all bad. I thnk that prejudice and party allegiances keep that from being recognized,

  • RG Buena Vista, VA
    July 16, 2014 9:39 a.m.

    Beart,
    Does Jesus espouse liberal ideas? Yes and no. Liberals claim to care for the poor, for example, and so did Jesus. But Jesus asked US, personally, to care for the poor and to have charity, not to have obligatory taxes so an impersonal government can care for them. The war on poverty has been a major cause of the breakdown of the family, since welfare replaced fathers. This may not have been the intended consequence, but it was the consequence nevertheless. Did you know that studies have shown that conservatives donate significantly more to charity than liberals? This is probably because liberals figure they are already donating through their taxes. But government handouts is not real charity. Furthermore, whatever the government does is full of fraud, waste, and abuse. Watch the news and see all the inefficiency and waste that goes on, and all the unintended bad consequences of big government programs.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    July 16, 2014 9:43 a.m.

    Mr. Davis. So what should Mormons do when they see the WHOLE picture about Obama? A more dangerous world. A border in chaos. Corruption at the Justice Department, IRS, VA. 7 trillion added debt. Weak and slow moving economy. Underemployed part time workers. American family income down. An unpopular health plan that is not as "Affordable" for many as the previous plan was (you'd better get your facts straight on the ACA before lauding it). Out right lies told by Obama and his people to the American people. On and on. How is a reasonable Mormon supposed to look favorably at that? And by the way, that stuff about him not going to parties? Where does that come from? He has partied with Hollywood and others more than any other President, and he has attended about 400 fundraisers. Bush at this point, had attended about 200 in comparison. It's the whole package that matters, and this President is not someone to be admired just because he is a father. Presidents need to be much more than that.

  • goosehuntr Tooele, UT
    July 16, 2014 9:46 a.m.

    Strange article. What is the author asking us to do? While I can claim only knowledge from what I hear about any politician.. not REALLY knowing them or their private lives, it is impossible for me or any of us to really believe what we read or hear about anyone. How much influence does the president really have? How much of the woes of our country do we place on one single man?? C'mon. The woes of this country are not rooted in the presidency. The woes of our country are rooted in departing from time tested principles of thrift, honesty and work ethic... in morality and other things... It is in parents departing the home and leaving the children to be raised by the entertainment world among other things. This is not the presidents doing. This is our doing. We are responsible for ourselves and our families. We know that the family is the fundamental unit of society. Strong families... strong communities... strong communities, strong nation. That has nothing to do with a presidents performance.

  • AZguy Phoenix, AZ
    July 16, 2014 9:50 a.m.

    I agree with this column completely and the comments about Jimmy Carter being the same. Both great men who did some great things in the White House, but no perfect by any sense of the word.

    While not my favorite president, Obama is certainly better than his predecessor. The Bush administration had us on a one way ticket to continual war, economic, and environmental ruin. The worst financial crisis in our lifetimes was started by the Bush Administration and the war in Iraq which was unfounded, based on false information, has cost the lives of 5,000 of those who protect our freedom, destroyed many more, and cost our country trillions of dollars.

    The current Obama administration has turned the tide of the economic recession at great cost and no other alternative and we are headed in the right direction economically. Obama care is not perfect, but the existing system was beyond broken. Again, not perfect, but better than what we had. He definitely needs to do more, but Obama has served our country well.

  • Macfarren Dallas, TX
    July 16, 2014 9:52 a.m.

    Based on everything that has happened under his watch, Obama is either grossly incompetent or just plain out to undermine the country. Not sure which, but neither bodes well.

  • LivinLarge Bountiful, UT
    July 16, 2014 10:15 a.m.

    Would I walk across the street to shake hands with President Obama? No! His inviting President Uchtdorf to the White House twice has more to do with who President Uchtdorf is rather than who President Obama is. US interests, both foreign and domestic, are at all time lows thanks to President Obama's lack of understanding and leadership.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    July 16, 2014 10:28 a.m.

    Nice piece again, Richard. The hate runs deep in Utah, though. Personally, although I do not agree with President Obama on everything, the country would be in far better shape if all his proposals had been passed into law. The blame for most of what's going on in this country can be laid at the feet of our "do nothing" Congress. They don't really do nothing. They oppose anything Obama favors, even if it originated in their own party. Talk about a bunch of useless hypocrites.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    July 16, 2014 10:29 a.m.

    Obama supporters are right. We should LOVE this president because:

    1) He is a good dresser.
    2) He speaks well, especially when reading stuff off the teleprompter (even blatent lies).
    3) He plays a lot of golf (good excercise).
    4) He is popular in Hollywood (lots of parties with celebrities).
    5) He has never had a failed policy (at least in his own mind) since someone else is always to blame when things go horribly wrong.

    Did I miss anything?

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    July 16, 2014 10:44 a.m.

    This opinion piece reflects my opinions exactly. Well said.

  • liesel Provo, UT
    July 16, 2014 10:47 a.m.

    I am astounded at this opinion piece. These criteria have never been the most important criteria for evaluating a good leader. Some of the world's most corrupt leaders loved their families dearly and claimed to be religious.

    I need a leader who I can trust. One who shows no concern for amassing an unconscionable amount of debt, who shows no concern for protecting Americans who died in Benghazi, who blatantly made numerous promises about Obamacare that were not true has completely lost my confidence.

    I need a leader who cares about this country and its people. One who plays pool while a border crisis facing it's citizens happens close by appears to have no feeling for others.

    This president by his actions sends the message that he does not care about people...only his policies. That's really not acceptable as the leader of the American people. He has earned distrust by his actions, which speak volumes about who he really is.

  • Spangs Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2014 10:52 a.m.

    I feel bad for most of the folks commenting on here. A lot of allegations like "circumventing the constitution," "racking up the debt 7 trillion," "pro-alternative lifestyle" and so on. Utahns, look into these allegations. Really look. Don't simply rely on Fox or Drudge or DN to figure these things out. Listen to other viewpoints. Respect them. See the value in them.

    Mark my words: it isn't going to be gay marriage or the ACA or executive orders that destroy this country. It will be the demonization and dehumanization of those you disagree with that will make it easy to dismiss them, imprison them, fight them, or even massacre them.

  • riverofsun St.George, UT
    July 16, 2014 10:52 a.m.

    I anxiously await the election of the 2016 President of the US. Not because I do not like President Obama, tho.
    My curiosity is killing me.
    How will the next President, obviously a Democrat President, be received and treated by Republicans?
    How about by Republican Utah Mormons?
    Perhaps that will be when the truth will finally show up?

  • Elwood P. Suggins BEAVERTON, OR
    July 16, 2014 10:52 a.m.

    Mr. Davis' opinions of Obama are at the same place my own opinions were at in January of 2008. My opinion soon changed. I believe Mr. Davis is very slow to realize certain things, or he has not had the stomach to research some of the questionable actions the President has taken. I don't believe Obama is a religious person. I believe he sometimes acts as such, "to be seen of men." How else could he attend the same church for 20 years but not recall any vengeful sermons against America"? From my close observations of his actions, I see that he (and his staff), will say and do anything to achieve his objectives, regardless of its moral or ethical import. That would include meeting with Pres. Utchdorf. As a disciple of Saul Alinsky, Obama believes that, "the ends justify the means." To me, this means that right and wrong have no meaning for him--the same attitude as Alinsky. Only what he wants to achieve has meaning. He is an example of Isaiah 5:20.

  • imustbebored sandy, UT
    July 16, 2014 10:53 a.m.

    I have always admired President Obama as a husband and father. He has a beautiful wife and children, honestly, he really married above himself. Unfortunately, many of his political views are far different from mine, and I consider myself to be a moderate. I really believe President Obama had some great intentions when he came into office. I also believe he had the ability to unite the nation, however, he was very unprepared. A few more years in Washington could have prepared him to became a great president, unfortunately, I believe history will not look back kindly upon him.

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    July 16, 2014 10:55 a.m.

    The murder rate, and crime rate in general, continue to fall.
    Inflation is continues to be low by historic standards.
    Unemployment has fallen from 10% to 6.1% under Obama's watch.
    The budget deficit has fallen to half the amount Obama inherited.
    We are no longer committed to TWO ill concieved wars.
    The rate of uninsured Americans is dropping rapidly.
    The stock market, and my 401k, are at all time highs.

    Boy, I know you guys are sore about Romney's defeat, but your dislike of Obama defies rational thinking. I didn't vote for George H. W. Bush, but I thought he was a pretty good president.

  • Steve C. Warren WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    July 16, 2014 10:58 a.m.

    Excellent article, Richard.

    Not only is the president a good man, his policies have put this country in a better place. We'd be in much better shape except for the gridlock caused by Republicans in Congress.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    July 16, 2014 10:59 a.m.

    @LivinLarge
    Bountiful, UT
    Would I walk across the street to shake hands with President Obama?

    ========

    Because you [and others making derogitory comment about him]
    are already convinced with deep seeded preconcieved notions
    that you wouldn't feel his hand anyway.

  • Clarissa Layton, UT
    July 16, 2014 11:04 a.m.

    I do agree that the President is a good man. He appears to be a dedicated father. Unfortunately, a president has be a leader. It is his job to work with the House and Senate, regardless of what party is holding the majority, to pass laws and to fix things like immigration reform. President Obama does not appear to have this ability. Instead, he oversteps his power according to the Constitution, in order to get what he believes need to be done. I actually feel sorry for President Obama. Sometimes, I think he believes he's a king. His word is right, and everyone else.s is wrong.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    July 16, 2014 11:11 a.m.

    The biggest observation I can make by reading all the "Obama haters" comments,
    is there total, 100%, lack of integrity it their comments.

    How can you say and justify your resentment of President Obama --

    "He lied,
    "He is not trustworthy,
    "He is blah, blah, blah....

    And with any sort of sound mind and clear conscious,
    give his predessor --
    George W Bush
    a get out of Jail Free card?

    Seriously?!

    Why the hypocrisy?
    Why the Double Standard?
    Why the lack of integrity?

  • Mikhail ALPINE, UT
    July 16, 2014 11:16 a.m.

    I am glad that the current POTUS appears to love his father - while I question the amount of money billed to the government for family vacations.

    I also am grateful that he is respectful of Mormons.

    I question his faith, however.

    Mormons believe that this is a land choice above all other lands (exceptional, yes). Obama does not believe there is anything special about America. Mormons believe that this choice land is a gift of God and is associated with a covenant with God - that so long as he give God priority, as a people, we will be blessed with freedom and prosperity. Mormons believe that blessings come from God. Mr. Obama appears to believe that blessings come from the government.

  • gramma b Orem, UT
    July 16, 2014 11:18 a.m.

    What ridiculous claims about the stimulus saving millions of jobs. Obama's actions have stymied a recovery which would have created more jobs. When you count the number of people who have given up looking for jobs, more are unemployed in America than ever before. And, Obama's "providing access" to affordable health care simply shifted the costs of that care to other citizens. It is part of his grand plan to redistribute income, and force the more productive members of society into permanent bondage to the less productive -- and to the totally unproductive.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    July 16, 2014 11:24 a.m.

    There's justifiable skepticism amongst the LDS for at least three reasons: (1) they're not sure that he was born in America as the US Constitution requires for presidents, (2) they're not sure if he's Muslim or not since his ancestry on one side is, and (3) he announces loud and clear that America is not a Christian nation.

  • BYU Alum Cedar Hills, UT
    July 16, 2014 11:42 a.m.

    Our family had high hopes for Obama when he was first elected. We were hoping for a Frederick Douglas and ended up with Steve Erkle (...did I do that?").

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    July 16, 2014 11:42 a.m.

    riverofsun: "How will the next President, obviously a Democrat President, be received and treated by Republicans?"

    Don't count on a Democratic victory in 2016.

    To answer your question: There will always be conservatives who won't accept a Democrat president no matter how good a job he/she does - just like there will be liberals who will never accept another Reagan. But how the general population accepts the president will depend on what kind of job they do.

    If the next Democratic president (in 2016 or beyond) chooses to press a far-left agenda no matter how disasterous its effects; refuses to compromise with the other side even on trivial matters; and never accepts any blame for mistakes - then they will be just as unpopular as Obama.

  • Lightbearer Brigham City, UT
    July 16, 2014 11:51 a.m.

    Re: "Reasons for mormons to not like Obama. Abortion, gay marriage, loss of personal freedoms, loss of personal accountability, increased taxes, increased government interference."

    As if Obama invented abortion and gay marriage.

    If you prohibit abortion, that is another personal freedom lost. That is free agency lost. That is more personal accountability lost. That is increased government interference.

    If you are against abortion, don't have an abortion. Other people - including the government - shouldn't decide for you, and you - and the government - shouldn't decide for other people. As it is now, you are free not to have an abortion, and those who decide to have an abortion are free to do so. Maximum personal freedom for both sides.

    If gay marriage becomes legal, and you are against gay marriage, don't marry someone of the same sex. Other people shouldn't decide for you, and you shouldn't decide for other people. You will still be free not to marry someone of the same sex, and those who want to marry someone of the same sex will be free to do so. Maximum personal freedom for both sides.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    July 16, 2014 11:52 a.m.

    I admit I'm no Saul Alinsky expert as many posters on here obviously are, but I've never heard Obama tout Alinsky's ideas or policies in any speech. Frankly I don't even know where you get the idea that Obama is a devotee of the dreaded Alinsky. On the other hand, I sure have heard a lot of Republicans tout by name avowed Christian despiser Ayn Rand. Why is it ok for your politicians to be devout followers of the amoral Rand? I can't understand your hypocrisy. But then again, another one of your heros is drug addict, serial womanizer Rush Limbaugh, so I guess your piety extends as far as your politics and no farther.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    July 16, 2014 12:07 p.m.

    To "Richard Davis" Obama was not elected to be Father of the Year. He was elected to lead the US government and to protect its citizens.

    What you say about Obama could be equally said about any of the Mafia crime families, or the family of Kim Il-sung of North Korea.

    You have good intentions of showing us an agreeable side of Obama, but the fact is that the things that matter most to his position as President have little to do with the points that make.

    Plus, you ignore the fact that much of what Obama does and says in public is often designed to make him more likeable to a particular group. With the countless lies that we have seen him tell the US about his policies, can we really trust the pictures that we see of him with his children? How do we know that his kids are not being used as props to make him look like a good father. He claims to be a good Christian, yet attended a church for 20 years that taught hatred. Obama has good speech writers, maybe his speech writers have a scriptorian among them.

  • liesel Provo, UT
    July 16, 2014 12:09 p.m.

    Richard C. DeForrest, why, if people disagree with the president or any other person does it have to be labeled "hate"? It is not hate to disagree. I start to feel like this label is used to purposely cloud debate and to create angst, which is wrong. Isn't thoughtful debate how we can learn from each other?

  • my_two_cents_worth university place, WA
    July 16, 2014 12:15 p.m.

    @wrz

    None of the three items you listed are "justifiable skepticism." The first two have been thoroughly discredited to all except the tin-foil hat crowd and he is 100% correct on the third: the US is NOT a Christian Nation.

  • idazut Riverton, UT
    July 16, 2014 12:17 p.m.

    Mr Davis,

    My disapproval of Mr Obama is based on his frequent disregard for the Constitution and the rule of law. He is doing everything he can to turn our representative democracy into another failed socialist state. Referencing your third point, his religion is the virulently anti-american religion of Jeremiah Wright. Do you really believe that his repect for the LDS church and his love for his family can offset all of the above. No, I do not appreciate him. I want Congress to do their duty and impeach him.

  • Ordinary Guy Centerville, Davis, UT
    July 16, 2014 12:18 p.m.

    The wonder of this article is the tone. It seems to be objective, unemotional, and nonpartisan.

    All of us are displeased with the bitterness and dysfuntionality of government. What can be done to soften the tone. Mr Davis has taken a step to do that. Well done.

    While we disagree with a leader, are we required to hate him? Can we oppose vigorously and still respect our leaders? We must do so or become like petty third rate societies.

  • BigRich Orem, UT
    July 16, 2014 12:23 p.m.

    If one has a sense of the direction this country is taking, it is frightening. I find no evidence of action from this president that has helped: 1. to stem the tide immorality and pornography, save the traditional family unit from destruction, to end the deadlock in Washington of a congress has become a joke, 3. stop the deteriorating situation in the middle east, 4. stio spending and stem the rise of our historic debt, 4. improve the poor relations with Russia and stop its sponsorship of Iran, 5. prevent the collapse of Iraq, 6. stop the continuing development of nuclear weapons and sponsorship of terrorism by Iran, 7. repair the collapse of any immigration policy which as reached the point where our borders are being flooded, 8. stop the sponsorship of Common Core which completely desecrates the history of this nation, 9. allow the exploration and use of our natural resources to end our dependence on foreign oil, etc., etc. What I do see is a president who ignores congress, the constitution, has experienced a number of scandals, and seems unable to take action on any critical issue. And those are not the facts of the uninformed.

  • a_voice_of_reason Woods Cross, UT
    July 16, 2014 12:35 p.m.

    I liked the article with one exception - the author assumes that LDS voters dislike the President personally because they apparently disapproved of him before he beat Mitt Romney. So, LDS voters disapprove of the president either because he defeated an LDS candidate or because he's a bad person? Seems a little narrow - perhaps the consistent disapproval is rather a sign that LDS voters (who are mostly republicans) have vastly different viewpoints and opinions and think he's doing a poor job as President. Personally, I have nothing against President Obama as a person and father. However, I disagree 99.99% of the time with his politics. His political soundbites make me sick. Has nothing to do with him beating Romney or me having some personal problem with him. I didn't like his vision for the country in 2008, I didn't like it in 2012, and I really don't like it now.

  • ThornBirds St.George, UT
    July 16, 2014 12:35 p.m.

    Very impressed and heartened that there are many more people posting on the DN comment boards with factual pro President Obama comments.
    This has greatly changed the tone of the DN Forum in the last year or so.
    So many in America are realizing the beneficial things our President has done during the past few years. The majority of Americans understand that "do nothing/NO Congress is responsible for gridlock. Our President is doing what is best for our country, despite their refusing to work with him.
    Unfortunately, however, Fox News has infiltrated and poisoned the once rational mindset of many, once moderate Republicans.

  • RG Buena Vista, VA
    July 16, 2014 12:49 p.m.

    Liberal Larry:
    Less crime? Not due to Obama. BTW it’s highest in areas with most gun restrictions.

    Unemployment is MUCH higher than you’ve been led to believe. Many have given up looking and aren’t counted as unemployed. Obama knows this but succeeded in pulling the wool over your eyes. Also, many new jobs are part time, due to Obamacare.

    Re: the budget deficit, Obama has spent more than any other president. This, after promising to cut the debt. He wasted billions on green jobs scandals like Solyandra and others. Did you really believe the shovel ready jobs?

    Re. wars: he pulled out of wars prematurely. Look what ISIS is doing. Also he’s letting Iran go nuke.

    Obamacare demonstrates pure incompetence, and not just the failed website. The VA scandal is a great example of govt. run healthcare. Beware of “single payer!” BTW Obama promised to fix the VA back in 2007.

    Scandals: Fast&Furious, IRS, Benghazi. Etc.

    Steve C.Warren: Gridlock’s a wonderful thing when it blocks bad laws. Without it Obama might be a dictator.

    Lightbearer: By your logic: If you’re against murder/theft than don’t murder/steal.

  • dave4197 Redding, CA
    July 16, 2014 12:56 p.m.

    Thank you Mr Davis. Great op ed piece, Mr Davis. I hope your students at BYU get a daily dose of your clear thinking.
    Obama is a good man, that's #1 when we look for elected leaders.
    Obama spoke for the rich paying a higher tax rate, a higher share, Romney said otherwise, I'm with Obama. Obama works to make the minimum wage a livable wage, I'm with Obama.
    Obama spoke for all of us to be covered by health insurance and congress delivered something like that, it was modeled after Romneycare, when Romney campaigned to end the ACA I voted for Obama to keep (and improve) the ACA.
    Obama spoke for immigration reform which I interpreted to mean a more practical path to citizenship or work permits, Romney campaigned for those people to get to the end of the line. So I'm with Obama. The 3 important issues of the last election.
    I am a Viet Nam vet so thank you Obama for getting our soldiers out of Iraq and Afghanistan and ending bin Laden. Keep cutting DOD, Obama.

  • humbug Syracuse/Davis, UT
    July 16, 2014 1:05 p.m.

    I'm a strong-in-the-faith, active Mormon. I have liked Obama for a long time. It was a National disgrace that 20% of the Country did not have health insurance prior to Obamacare. Obamacare is better than what we had before. I agree with Obama that minimum wage needs to be raised. If you have college age children who are working and trying to go to school, the minimum wage issue is real. People who work full-time should not be living in poverty. He got us out of Iraq. Good. I disagree with his marriage equality stuff. But, his economic principles are good and help the middle and lower classes of people.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    July 16, 2014 1:16 p.m.

    Strike 3 WRZ.

    I would hope that your ALL of your LDS brothers and sisters strongly reject your characterization for their "skepticism" of Obama.

    It is plain and obvious to anyone to spends 5 minutes of honest research that Obama was born in Hawaii. Tell me, will you be as vocal against Ted Cruz if he runs for president? He was undoubtedly born in Canada.

    I am not sure that you are not Muslim either. It would be sad if the LDS had skepticism based on his potential to be Muslim.

    3) Reading his whole speech, it is clear to a 6 year old that what Obama said is that the US is not ONLY a Christian nation, but a nation of many religions.

    You are either unaware or being deliberately misleading.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2014 1:19 p.m.

    There are kind and charismatic church leaders, that ended up being child pedophiles. Just because there are a grand total of 3 items that this person thinks adhere to the church. That doesn't qualify him to be a friend.

    So what if he invited Dieter and his handlers gave him some scriptures to quote. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi quote scripture that furthers their agenda. Satan often quotes scripture. Jesus quoted scripture. What's the point?

    There are benefits to the ACA. However, there are more cons than pros. The majority of the country agree with that. That proves LDS people are ahead of the curve.

    Since the number of LDS service personnel in the military is small. There was a small chance of LDS people being harmed in the wars. Is that a reason to support a president? I guess we could support any president that is unwilling to fight, and that protects us temporarily. However, LDS people have been slaughtered at the hands of terrorists. Terrorists which have become emboldened and have taken over part of Iraq and Syria.

    Obama has also doubled the debt. Should the teaching of thrift be considered? Debt is not LDS standard.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    July 16, 2014 1:29 p.m.

    wrz writes - " (1) they're not sure that he was born in America as the US Constitution requires for presidents, (2) they're not sure if he's Muslim or not since his ancestry on one side is, and (3) he announces loud and clear that America is not a Christian nation."

    1) Apparently the public display of the long and short form of his birth certificate is not enough to convince folks like wrz. And so I would asked wrz, "What, more than those documents, do you have to prove you are a citizen?"
    2) I'm sure if you walk the streets of your home in Phoenix you will find people of one faith whose parents are of another, even some born into and practicing one faith for a time, before changing their faith to another.
    3) What the president actually said was "Whatever we once were, we are no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation...a nation of nonbelievers." In most quotes the word "just" has been left off, significant changing the meaning of his statement. And any thinking man would admit that what the president said is true.

  • Mrkj Allen, TX
    July 16, 2014 1:35 p.m.

    This article says a lot more about Mr. Davis' ignorance of the consequences of President Obama's actions and policies than it does about why people should like President Obama.
    President Obama's disregard for the Congress, the Supreme Court,the Constitution and his administration's picking and choosing which laws they enforce are all good reasons why he would be disliked by all Americans. Obama's well documented practice of using economic stimulus money to reward his political supporters with billions of dollars clearly demonstrate his corrupt character. The Obama administration's bailout of Wall Street banks, Dodd-Frank legislation to institutionalize "too big to fail", bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and ZIRP demonstrate Obama's clear support for the leveraged trader greed and corruption that caused the Great Recession. Add in the unprecedented deficits and Obama's attacks on the First Amendment and you have to wonder who thinks Mr. Davis is qualified to teach political science in the U.S.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    July 16, 2014 1:35 p.m.

    Spangs

    You question that Obama added 7 trillion to the debt. If so maybe you had better be the one to check your sources, because even the most ardent Obama supporters cannot refute that fact.

    Wonder

    Saul Olinsky and many other hard left people have informed and mentored Obama. He even admits it in his books. Nothing to dispute there. The difference is, if a Republican candidate for President had spent time in a white suppremist church, (as opposed to Obamas black anti American church) he never would have even gotten the nomination, much less been elected President.

    Thorn Birds

    The House passes legislation all the time. Just yesterday they passed a spending bill. It is Reid the Senate leader that causes the gridlock by not allowing votes. And Fox news, the bogeyman. If it weren't for Fox News, many of the Obama scandles would never have been aired. Fox is the only way people in America can actually hear an opposing point of view to the slobbering love affair media that worships Obama.

  • LDS Cougar Provo, UT
    July 16, 2014 1:38 p.m.

    This has to be a joke. The reasons why LDS members dislike Obama is because he hates America. We, as a people, love America. Obama, on the other hand, is trying to destroy almost everything that is good about America.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 16, 2014 1:43 p.m.

    Latter Day Saints would like the President if....

    1. There were no Obamacare. This nearly three trillion dollar wealth redistribution scheme has caused so much pain and suffering in this county thus far with the BIG premimum jump for most Americans who previously had insurance (2-3 times as high) as well as the horrible anti-Christian abortion mandates as well as the forced part time job requirement placed on employers as well as having polititians decide whether you get that heart valve transplant or if you are just told you are too old and not worth the cost as well as the "free insurance" given to some while others have to pick up the tab.....
    2. There were no scandals ....no IRS intimidation tactics on conservatives (Mormons) to swing the election, no Benghazi scandal which left 4 Americas dead , no Fast n Furious scandal which left a brave border patrol agent dead, no VA hospital scandal which abandoned our vets....
    3. There were no ties to Socialism and Communism with the president....most of his early influences were either Socialist or Communist.
    4. Wanted a STRONG American not a weak America
    5. If he were truthful

  • Jamescmeyer Midwest City, USA, OK
    July 16, 2014 1:46 p.m.

    "disappointment over Romney"

    "Utahns’ disapproval goes beyond the job Obama is doing to the person himself"

    I couldn't read past these, as presumably this letter is based on these assumptions, which are incorrect. From all appearances, Barack is a father who cares about his daughters and maintains a family despite the stresses and difficulties of the presidency. That's fanastic! But it's irrelevant to being president.

    Amidst his continuous villainizing of everyone who doesn't support taxes, redistribution, and widespread federal control, in terms of being president, he's done only one thing for me to appreciate: showing me how realistic and applicable the Book of Mormon's warning are about being ruled by kings.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    July 16, 2014 1:56 p.m.

    @SC Fan -- Have you read Obama's books? I have and I can't remember him saying that he was a follower of Saul Alinsky. I do know that Sarah Palin says he is. I wonder if that is where you got your information?? It isn't from Obama's books. Sometimes you guys have got to fact check a little.

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2014 2:10 p.m.

    I will match what our duly elected President has accomplished while he has been in office against any and I mean any Republican. Let's see what has Mike Lee done? Shut down the government....what has Ted Cruz done...nothing. I'm so proud of our President, not only as a fine moral person but having the courage in overwhelming odds to get things done!

    As for people in my ward, it is time that we speak honestly and openly as good strong Democrats, and church members. It isn't a sin to be a democrat. And we need to stop the hatred in the Church against this President. It is becoming very sad.

  • SigmaBlue Centerville, UT
    July 16, 2014 2:12 p.m.

    It's remarkable that Mr. Davis,a BYU professor, is defending Mr. Obama, an avowed socialist, who was tutored by known Marxists (William Ayers and Frank Marshall Davis). I don't doubt that Mr. Obama is dedicated to his family, but he's also dedicated to destroying a Constitutionally based America by refusing to uphold the laws he gave an oath to defend. While parading as a Christian, he has conducted an unrelenting attack on Christians, refused to secure America's borders, usurped the Constitutional Authority of Congress and other violations of the U.S. Constitution. This is the very man that Pres. Ezra Taft Benson warned us about. He is the face of the secret combinations and Gadianton Robbers that currently infest the U.S. Government, our Educational System and Financial Institutions. Please don't allow the sophistry of men like Richard Davis to blind our citizens to the reality we face. Now is the time for all decent Americans to stand against tyrants like Barack Obama and others like him and cast them out of our society before they destroy our Faith, our Families and our Freedom which is the birth right of all Americans.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    July 16, 2014 2:13 p.m.

    Someone once asked Joseph Smith how he governed so many people. His answer was, "I teach them correct prinicples and they govern themselves."
    Barrack Obama does exactly the opposite and explains why Obama is very unpopular with Mormons!

  • silo Sandy, UT
    July 16, 2014 2:19 p.m.

    5 pages of comments to this point.

    Yet in every single instance where someone disagreed with the article, they have supported their disagreement with...

    -dislike for things Obama has done that are not unique to Obama
    -dislike for things Obama has done that occurred to a larger extent with previous presidents
    -dislike for things Obama supposedly has done that have been proven to be false claims
    -dislike for Obama based on nothing more than opinion

    Call it ignorance, or hypocrisy, or partisanship. Doesn't matter the cause, the reality is that those opposed to Obama generally justify it by using a completely different set of standards than have been applied to other administrations.

    Their posts can be quickly flagged by searching comments for the now-common buzzwords like 'supreme leader', or 'obummer' or 'muslim in chief'. Fortunately, like online scarlet letters, those buzzwords serve as flags to thinking/reasoning adults to filter those comments accordingly.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    July 16, 2014 2:31 p.m.

    Hey Tuffy Parker -

    Contrary to what you prefer to believe, Jimmy Carter was a pretty good President, given the circumstances of his time in office.

    It wasn't his fault that the price of world oil set an all time high during his administration, thus causing stagflation.

    And it certainly wasn't to Reagan's credit that the price of world oil plummeted during his time in office, thus spurring the economy.

    Carter was a much better President than Ronald Reagan, who kowtowed to plutocrats, lowered taxes for the highest earners, raised taxes for the middle class, and tripled the debt.

    And Obama is clearly a better President than his Republicans predecessor, who took Clinton's stellar legacy of good governance, a strong economy, balanced budgets, and a nation at peace . . . And totally destroyed it.

    We are certainly better off now under Obama then we were at the end of GW's horrendous reign of terror.

    The Right Wing alternative reality you choose to present has very little in common with the facts.

  • jasonlivy Orem, UT
    July 16, 2014 2:32 p.m.

    I'll never forget when Obama said this in defending his pro-choice stance, 'Although we are teaching our daughters to not have sex prematurely, if one of them gets pregnant, I don't want them to be stuck with a baby!' My opinion of him has gone downhill from there.

    I can't imagine anyone who has paid attention to the news is supportive of Obamacare, especially a professor from BYU! Not even taking into consideration the fact that we can't afford it as a nation, the lies that have been told and the challenges it has created for so many millions of Americans has given us every reason to adamantly disapprove of Obama! Obamacare needs to be axed and never mentioned again...

    His dishonesty knows no bounds. How can we follow a leader who is completely untrustworthy? He has squandered his opportunity be someone great and instead has allowed his arrogance and ambition to corrupt his presidency. History is not going to be kind to Obama...

  • Walt Nicholes Orem, UT
    July 16, 2014 2:37 p.m.

    Some of the world's greatest despots could pass this test with these criterion. I think King Noah, in the Book of Mormon could have passed the test with these criterion.

  • Paloma10 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2014 2:48 p.m.

    I wholeheartedly agree! I believe in 25 years, when many readers here may well be facing health challenges, they will be grateful to a President who thought of the people to make insurance and coverage available. It is my opinion that we have a great President and he has earned the support of this nation and it's peoples.

  • Elwood P. Suggins BEAVERTON, OR
    July 16, 2014 2:48 p.m.

    Remember that a few years ago, 25% of republicans in Utah voted for Alan Keyes in the primary election. Many Utahns vote based on values and principles. Based on the lily-white demographics of Utah, I'd say that any accusations of racism a (reading between the lines of this article), would be completely groundless.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    July 16, 2014 2:53 p.m.

    @jasonlivy
    "I'll never forget when Obama said this in defending his pro-choice stance"

    I'm sure you won't. Nevermind that you completely fabricated his quote, nor that his comment had nothing to do with abortion, or pro-choice stance. His comment was specifically tied to sex education, and ensuring that sex education addressed more than simply abstinence-only standards.

    "His dishonesty knows no bounds."

    You falsified Obama's quote and falsely represented the context of the quote, yet have the gall to accuse him of being dishonest. Well played.

  • jasonlivy Orem, UT
    July 16, 2014 2:57 p.m.

    GaryO-

    "Contrary to what you prefer to believe, Jimmy Carter was a pretty good President, given the circumstances of his time in office."

    "Carter was a much better President than Ronald Reagan, who kowtowed to plutocrats, lowered taxes for the highest earners, raised taxes for the middle class, and tripled the debt."

    Like my therapist said, 'You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.'

    It's predicted that the debt will be well over 20 trillion by the time Obama leaves office (when Bush took office the debt was 6 trillion. When he left it was 10 trillion. When Obama leaves office it will be a staggering 20+ trillion), our military will be all but disbanded, the USA will be weaker internationally and only a shelf of itself under Obama, the distrust Americans feel towards the White House and government in general will be at an all-time low due to Obama's 'horrendous' leadership, the scandals Obama's WH has demonstrated has sunk the office of the president to all-time lows, and on and on.

    There's not much to brag about here...

  • CynicJim Taylorsville, UT
    July 16, 2014 3:00 p.m.

    I'm sure that given the Pres was a neighbor he might turn out to be a man to be invited to the barbecue, and it is not his race, that is just nonsense. However, his leadership policies make him a poor leader for the free world. He would end up on welfare, his house might be poorly maintained, someone else would lead the neighborhood in house appearance, Christmas tree decorations and such. He's just not the kind of man that is a good leader. He might rally a number of homeowners in contributing to get out the vote, but not growing the overall conditions for the better.

  • Linus Bountiful, UT
    July 16, 2014 3:03 p.m.

    I am sorry, but Professor Richard Davis has proven to have an extremely partisan perspective in the past, and he seems to be increasingly entrenched.

    Latter-day Saints have been counseled and warned against excessive debt, abortion, active homosexuality, same-sex marriage, socialism, idleness, the dole, disobedience to law, and subverting the Constitution.

    And yet Professor Davis thinks Latter-day Saints should overlook Obama's part in the promotion of all these vices because he talks nice, spends time with his family (one wife and two daughters), and has crippled America's remarkable healthcare by implementing socialized, micromanaged medicine. Well, my Latter-day Saint wife and I spend time with our eleven children and forty-six grandchildren discussing the down-side of Obama's presidency.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 16, 2014 3:27 p.m.

    re:Utefan60

    1. Has presided over the FIRST credit down grade for America. Which GOP president can you match?
    2. Has presided over the LARGEST debt increase in history ... 8 trillion to 17 trillion....more than all previous presidents in history. Which GOP president can you match?
    3. Has been part of more scandals than any previous president ...Fast N Furious, IRS, VA, Benghazi, Obamacare. Which GOP president can you match?
    4. Has presided over the largest percentage of food stamp recipients. Which GOP president can you match?
    5. Has presided over the longest recession. Which GOP president can you match?
    6. Will preside over the first US economy where China overtakes us as the #1 economy. Which GOP president can you match? By the way this is set to happen this year.
    7. Has created more world chaos due to American weakness and has become the LEAST respected US president since WWII ...ask any of our allies. Which GOP president can you match?
    8. Has THE worst border control record of any president since WWII - ask any of our border control agents.... Which GOP president can you match?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 16, 2014 3:31 p.m.

    re:Linus

    Great comments! Well said!

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 16, 2014 3:41 p.m.

    I would appreciate Barack more...if he would just resign!! A nation can only take so much pain.

  • logicguy TUCSON, AZ
    July 16, 2014 3:42 p.m.

    This 6.1% unemployment figure that Obama supporters like to quote is quite deceptive. The number is that low only because of the large number of people who have simply given up trying to find work. The current workforce participation rate is currently near the lowest in history. All around where I live I see businesses that have shut their doors. Many shopping malls are practically empty. Despite having over 30 years experience with a large company and having a performance rating at or near the top year after year I was laid off from my job last year. My wife just lost her healthcare coverage this month. I have been trying unsuccessfully for months to get new health insurance for her. Everywhere I turn, healthcare.gov, medicare.gov, my previous employer, various healthcare exchanges, she seems to fall through one crack or another and we are told that she can't get coverage. Maybe if she was in the country illegally, or had a serious pre-existing condition, or was gay... it would be easier to find coverage.

  • logicguy TUCSON, AZ
    July 16, 2014 4:12 p.m.

    It is no wonder that Latter-day Saints have a low view of a president who actively promotes and encourages homosexuality. While ISIS is overrunning the Middle East and slaughtering thousands Obama attends an LGBT rally in New York City. He orders US embassies around the world to fly the LGBT rainbow flag along with the Stars and Stripes. He orders embassy employees to participate in local gay pride activities. When a famous sports figure announces that he is gay he makes a personal phone call to congratulate the person for his "courage". (And, BTW, I didn't get that info from some right-wing wing-nut web site, but from my local very liberal-leaning newspaper. Or, just go to www.whitehouse.gov and see the "resources for youth" links he has there, or see all the testimonials for his "it gets better" campaign.)

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    July 16, 2014 4:19 p.m.

    @my_two_cents_worth:
    "@wrz - None of the three items you listed are 'justifiable skepticism.' The first two have been thoroughly discredited to all except the tin-foil hat crowd and he is 100% correct on the third: the US is NOT a Christian Nation."

    I have a copy of his Kenyan birth certificate.

    He went to an Islam Madrasah in Indonesia as a kid. You're required to be Muslim to attend.

    America is as much Christian as, say, Iraq or Egypt is Muslim. At least it was when founded.

    And there's more... He has run up our national debt more than all past presidents put together.

    He lied several times about Obamacare (you can keep your doctor, insurance, etc).

    He claimed, when campaigning, that his administration would be the most transparent. But he won't even let the media see or interview illegals pouring over our border.

    He has (illegally) given 2-year amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants and promised extensions almost indefinitely.

    He won't wait on Congress to pass laws ('I have a pen and a phone').

    There's much more but I'm bumping up against the 200 word limit.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    July 16, 2014 4:44 p.m.

    @JoeBlow:
    "It is plain and obvious to anyone to spends 5 minutes of honest research that Obama was born in Hawaii."

    His grandmother affirmed his Kenyan birth. I would hope you're not calling his grandmother a liar.

    "Tell me, will you be as vocal against Ted Cruz if he runs for president? He was undoubtedly born in Canada."

    Cruz can't qualify since the pres has to be a 'natural born citizen' per the US Constitution.

    "I am not sure that you are not Muslim either. It would be sad if the LDS had skepticism based on his potential to be Muslim."

    Would you have something against him if he was?

    "Reading his whole speech, it is clear to a 6 year old that what Obama said is that the US is not ONLY a Christian nation, but a nation of many religions."

    He also said if you count the Muslims in America it would qualify as a Muslim nation.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    July 16, 2014 4:54 p.m.

    @ECR:
    "Apparently the public display of the long and short form of his birth certificate is not enough to convince folks like wrz."

    There's enough errors to raise serious doubts.

    "And so I would asked wrz, 'What, more than those documents, do you have to prove you are a citizen?'"

    I have a copy of his Kenyan birth certificate. Looks authentic... even more so than the certificate he supplied. Besides, we have his grandmother's statement of where he was born. One would think she'd know.

    "And any thinking man would admit that what the president said is true."

    We've heard a ton of lies from him... 'You can keep your doctor, most transparent administration,' to name two.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    July 16, 2014 5:06 p.m.

    I agree with all three points the Professor makes about the President. That said I disapprove of his performance as President.

    It really is hard to fathom that the good Professor seems to believe there's a 100% correlation (or close to it) between folks believing the President isn't performing well in his office and those who dislike or don't respect him personally.

    For those of us who respect and/or admire the President, the Professor doesn't explain how, or why our feelings for the President as a person would impact our analysis of the President as our President.

    This isn't the first opinion piece the Professor has written for the DN with a mushy premise and faulty or unsupported logic.

    I trust he expects better from his students.

    I believe I gave his last opinion article a C-. This one is no better but I'll have to give it a D because it demonstrates no improvement over his prior effort.

  • my_two_cents_worth university place, WA
    July 16, 2014 5:21 p.m.

    @wrz

    "I have a copy of his Kenyan birth certificate."

    You have a copy of a verified and discredited forgery.

    "He went to an Islam Madrasah in Indonesia as a kid."

    He went to a PUBLIC Muslim school NOT a madrasa. No particular religion required.

    "America is as much Christian as, say, Iraq or Egypt is Muslim"

    "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..." Art 11, Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the United States and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoly of Barbary, Approved unanimously by the US Senate and Signed by President John Adams and proclaimed to the Nation on 10 June 1797.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    July 16, 2014 5:52 p.m.

    Enough comments have been made so far to help enlighten Mr Davis as to why Latter-day Saints aren't impressed with and don't support this president. One of my sons experienced a short-term segment of his life where he was breaking bones, and getting burnt, bruised, and bloodied. I jokingly told him that he was a walking disaster area.

    This president has done more to bruise, bloody, and burn this nation than any other president. At this pace, we will soon become just another 3rd world nation. But this is no joke and nothing to laugh about.

    He of course knows his support is tenuous, held up by a few radicals, a media that the public have become increasingly distrustful of, and those snookered by welfare bribes for votes. And he chooses bully tactics to deter objection because he's afraid.

    But there are enough of us who still believe in the American ideal that, God willing, we'll rise up even from this tough situation. It might require a little turmoil, but we'll make it.

    And I hope we never have another walking disaster of a president again.

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    July 16, 2014 6:11 p.m.

    I'm heartened by the many well thought out comments here. Contrary to a couple of liberal accusations, most people haven't been name calling, and most have stated their displeasure with the President's policies, not persona. Count me among those who disagree with President Obama. He is quite likeable and by all counts he loves his wife and children. He's done a great job of encouraging other americans to do the same. He's a guy who I'd like hanging out with and drinking a beer with(in my case a root beer). Having said that, his policy decisions are completely opposite of what I view as right. At the outset he claimed he wanted to "funamentally transform America." He is succeeding brilliantly at that as we go spiraling down the proverbial toilet. I share the disgust of my fellow Utahns and Americans when I see the president and his cabinet/spokespeople claim that a terrorist attack in Bengazi came from a video? And he publicly claimed that for wks. after the event, just to win an election. I'm not as disappointed with the President as I am with the American people who chose him.

  • mauihawk West Jordan, UT
    July 16, 2014 6:48 p.m.

    Professor, you gave your 3 reasons and got your piece published today and I'm sure you are very pleased. However, I for one do not appreciate you telling me what I SHOULD or should not do. Yes, President Obama is quite charismatic but if you have been following his approval ratings, you well know they are not gleaming and are getting worse day by day. His dismal ratings are a direct reflection of his overall performance since he has been in office. This data is collected nationwide from all Americans and it is extremely damning. This President is a joke, but there are millions who are not laughing.
    Our country is in trouble. Wake up.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    July 16, 2014 6:49 p.m.

    @my_two_cents_worth

    You like so many on the left and those that hate religion and the religious, especially Christians and Christianity,

    is interpret the treaty.

    The war against the Barbary pirates was the USA's first war against radical Islam,

    and the treaty only points out the treaty is between nations and not religions, that the US does government does not represent Christianity.

    To give it any more meaning than that is wrong.

    Regardless, you can hate Obama's leadership and presidency and not hate the man as father and what not.

    The article was clearly written by a liberal democrat professor.

  • Paul Timothy Gibbs Taylorsville, UT
    July 16, 2014 7:07 p.m.

    My membership in the church is a big part of why I both respect President Obama as a person and support him as President. I strongly feel that the modern day conservative movement is inconsistent with the savior's command to love thy neighbor as thyself. I agree with Elder Marlin K. Jensen's statement that church member have to pick and choose the good from either political party, and for me the bad of the Mitt Romney campaign's lack of compassion in its approach to economics was something I could not in good consience support.

  • chilly Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2014 7:08 p.m.

    If you bundled up Prof. Davis' columns and passed them out to the LDS population of Utah, I suspect he'd receive approximately the same approval level as President Obama.

    The commonality between the two (Obama and Davis) is that they are both pointy-headed academics who THINK they know how to run the country. Neither has had a significant real-world job in their lives. They've both been indoctrinated by like-minded professors who are equally naïve about the leadership required to maintain or improve this country.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    July 16, 2014 7:18 p.m.

    It seems like everything he touches falls apart. The scandals from Benghazi to the IRS all tell about his character. Now we find out that his administration is trying to figure out which enrollees are even eligible for Obamacare health coverage. A new report issued by the Office of the Inspector General (OIG) admits that nearly 1.3 million Obamacare enrollees, or about 16 percent of the overall total, cannot be verified for legal status in the U.S. Add that to the children here illegally who he granted waivers to were rubber stamped. The administration could not handle the load, and never run full background checks.

    It points to a poor administrator and leader. Instead of seeking input from other sides and doing what's best, he has pushed his agenda through using executive powers, with no foresight to the consequences.

  • my_two_cents_worth university place, WA
    July 16, 2014 8:26 p.m.

    @the truth,

    "To give it any more meaning than that is wrong."

    Spin it anyway you'd like but the treaty ratified and signed by the President was written in pretty straight forward language and speaks a truth you'd just s soon ignore. The United States of America was NOT then and is NOT now a Christian nation. Period.

  • higv Dietrich, ID
    July 16, 2014 8:27 p.m.

    @ Lightbearer So called same gender marriage in the long run has negative effects on society and the fetus is a person. You were born weren't you? Were would you be if your mother aborted you? Laws are here to protect people, Gay behavior and abortion does not just effect the immediate people or victims for that matter but society as a whole.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    July 16, 2014 8:56 p.m.

    Let's face it, Mormons are socially conservative and that is the main reason they will not support democrats. However there have been a lot of comments about the president being a socialist and how he redistributes wealth. Everybody has there hand in the cookie jar but they just do not want to admit it.

  • bj-hp Maryville, MO
    July 16, 2014 8:57 p.m.

    My two cents: Regardless what President Adams says or what he states the United States of America is a Christian Nation today, yesterday and hopefully forever. Just as President Adams has his opinion so do I. One of the great things about Christianity is that it allows for all to live in a nation regardless of what you believe. We may disagree and even stand but when it comes right down to it, the Constitution of the United States was inspired by many men. John Adams disagreed with many aspects of the Constitution and how it became the law of the land but you ought to really look at what these men did to come up with a document that all 13 colonies would agree on. If you can't see the inspiration behind it then I can't ever make a convincing statement. By the way Adams was a Federalist which in time has become the Democratic Party. Where Washington would today be counted as an Independent but lean towards the Conservative side.

    Yes, regardless what some Presidents have stated including the new KING in the White House, this is a Christian nation.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    July 16, 2014 9:09 p.m.

    Even Oprah has bailed on Obama, preferring Clinton instead.

  • Rick for Truth Provo, UT
    July 16, 2014 9:45 p.m.

    This opinion piece is a complete farce. I can never support this President. I pray for the country, that we may survive his disastrous policies and unprecedented reign of destruction on the Freedoms and Liberties of the American Constitution. I will appreciate the day he leaves office, it should become a National Holiday of the Celebration and endurance of Freedom.

  • Ed Dart Anaheim, CA
    July 16, 2014 9:46 p.m.

    People attack the man way to much, politics should never be personal. Ever since Newt Gingrich was in office and Fox News started it's Pravda reporting no one can do the right thing in politics.

  • kargirl Sacramento, CA
    July 16, 2014 10:11 p.m.

    I appeciate this article for pointing out some things that are rarely mentioned about our President, especially here, but good to remember. Interesting that some mention that we don't elect someone for being a good father or husband--a valid point--yet don't seem to care that it is mentioned that the policies also fall short of their expectations, which seem to read much like a list of some religious expectations of certain faiths. I would suggest that, indeed, the President does include a very specific faith belief in his policies: he belief in agency. He does not set himself up as someone who is wise enough to decide what personal standards others should choose for themselves, and so has promoted people's agency to decide those things for themselves peacefully. Yes, you can violate your neighbor's religious codes. He has a right to also be religous, even if you don't agree with him. Fine. And I'm sure the President doesn't always do the things he supports others choosing to do...that's their agency, and his. And why he's at home having dinner when he has a young family, being Dad.

  • Patriot Jim West Valley City, UT
    July 16, 2014 10:37 p.m.

    It's great that Obama does those things for his family.
    But the things we, as Latter-day Saints need to look at is the fact that our Declaration of Independence and especially our Constitution were written by men who God raised up for that particular purpose. Just like the Bible, the Book of Mormon, and our other Scriptures that were written by men raised up by God for that purpose, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution could be considered as Scripture.
    Remember also, Isaiah said that the Word of the Lord would go forth from Jerusalem and the Law from Zion. We, who live in the land of Zion have only one Law that was given to us by God, and that we can send forth. The Constitution for the United States of America.
    If Obama finishes the destruction of our God given Constitution, the we have nothing to send forth and we will have failed in our calling.

  • my_two_cents_worth university place, WA
    July 16, 2014 10:53 p.m.

    @bj-hp

    Adams' signature was on a legally binding treaty; it was not an "opinion." The US is a secular country with a secular constitution built on secular principles.

  • JeffinOC Mission Viejo, CA
    July 16, 2014 11:10 p.m.

    President Obama may or may not be all of those things mentioned. His incompetence is manifest in the effects on our nation. Is he a good father? Well we have press releases. Does he respect churches? One supposes that may be proven by the many exceptions he gave under Obamacare to donors, and yet religions must sign a paper acknowledging the government has the right with an exception, and if you are Hobby Lobby? Forget it. I am betting religion like any other tool is merely that, "a tool". Hardly the actions of a man to be appreciated for.

  • kargirl Sacramento, CA
    July 16, 2014 11:29 p.m.

    The writers of the Constitution did not intend for it to have a religious tone. In fact, some of them were not religious men. They all wanted religion separate from the government. Had our government been as aligned with religion as many think, and as many try to make it today, I have to wonder if Joseph Smith would have lasted long enough to finish transcribing the Book of Mormon. Had it not been for the separation of Church and state to the degree it finally bacame done--past the Pilgrims and other groups--I don't even know if the Restoration could have been possible. You see, when religion becomes part of governing and is in the lives of citizens who do not will it there, freedom to worship as one wishes is likely to become the first casualty. It is anybody's guess whose freedom and whose religion is gone first, and sadly, it can be mine, yours, anyone's. One at a time, it can be gone.

  • baddog Cedar Rapids, IA
    July 17, 2014 5:56 a.m.

    Interesting comments from all. Lest we forget: our current commander in chief promised to "fundamentally change" America. In this he has not lied.

    I'm sorry for those who think being liberal is following the teachings of Christ. It is akin to doing the wrong thing for the right reasons.

    Those who understand the media and compare it to that of years ago know we have no watch dog national media anymore. We have the Obama Cheerleader Squads, excluding Fox News. Those who know what real journalism used to be have to be sick to their stomachs at what passes for news coverage today.

    With Obama carrying a record low approval rating in the country, I'd guess may more than just the LDS are finding his performance lacking.
    Without accurate reporting, we end up with what he have today: An uninformed public.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    July 17, 2014 6:23 a.m.

    The Truth writes, "You like so many on the left and those that hate religion and the religious, especially Christians and Christianity"

    And you have no proof that the person you are attacking hates Christians and Christianity. All he/she is saying is that our nation is not a religious theocracy, it is a nation for all people of all religions or no religion. If you have proof of anything disproving that statement, please present it. And by the way, the president said "This is not JUST a Christian nation, it is a nation of …." If you really are serious about presenting an argument you will actually read the statement in question, not the editing FOX News version.

    "The article was clearly written by a liberal democrat professor."

    This is not an article, it is an op-ed essay published on the Opinion page pf this newspaper. Therefore it is not surprising that it expresses the opinions of one person. Why does that surprise you? Why did you feel it necessary to make that statement?

  • Backtobasics Provo, UT
    July 17, 2014 7:05 a.m.

    It is very clear that those members of the church who support Obama are unfamiliar with the doctrine of free-agency, a principle over which a war in heaven was fought and one over which is now being fought here. This is a principle that Obama violates with almost every policy he supports. This fact separates the thoughtful LDS members from the ones who just don't have a clue. The latter need to read some books from LDS authors and general authorities : Ezra Taft Benson would be a good start.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    July 17, 2014 7:41 a.m.

    To "wrz" actually Ted Cruz is a natural born citizen, just like Obama is. The Naturalization Act of 1790 defines what a natural born citizen is. It states "the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens." So, Obama meets the requirements of the law, just like Ted Cruz meets the requirements of the law.

  • quierodeciralgo North Ogden, UT
    July 17, 2014 7:51 a.m.

    This articles suggests that I should respect this president because he is a good father, he is respectful to another church, or he is religious. We could say those things of nearly all past presidents. None of those characteristics are of first priority when considering who is a good president. A president who will uphold the Constitution, is honest, knows the limitations of his power, and proves by his actions that he will consider the safety and protection of citizens of the United States first-now those are qualities we need. President Obama has shown over a six year period that he is inclined to do none of those things. The author of the article is apparently in a position of power to influence young voters-why not stay neutral if you are in a classroom position, or at least teach kids to look deeper into issues rather than "vote for him because he is a nice guy"? Kids who are 19 listen to what comes from their teachers and sometimes that is not harmless. According to the polls most Utahns, thank heavens, do not agree with this author and neither do I.

  • MurphKL Lawrence, KS
    July 17, 2014 8:56 a.m.

    Not all LDS live in Utah. So, while some Utahns may have a negative opinion of our President, many of us in the wide "mission field" have a positive opinion of him. We also see that for some reason, when he does good, he is criticized...when he uses the same mechanisms to achieve policy as a previous President, he is cursed...the absolute hatred spewed by some shows a lack of any real desire to arrive at a fair assessment. Far too many "Christians" are being completely un-Christian, maybe listening too much to pundits who are working their own agendas for radio and television; creating division and insult, when should be dialogue and understanding. There is so much about this President that is good; and he works in the face of hatred that is unfounded on his actions. Many faithful LDS are GRATEFUL for this President and his love and support for the average people, the hard working middle class, the working poor, his commitment to getting us out of wars overseas. God bless you, President Obama.

  • tbright Provo, UT
    July 17, 2014 9:19 a.m.

    They draw near to me with their lips but their hearts are far from me... I am not sure that Mr. Davis is joking or just delusional. Loathing is what I feel for the person occupying the White House. This man is dismantling all that we love and respect about our country and replacing it with socialist programs. If Mr. Davis actually respects and appreciates he needs to be doing something other than teaching our children the progressive dogma.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    July 17, 2014 10:34 a.m.

    Pragmatist, the article just shows the wishful thinking of the left. Mr. Davis is as uniformed or wearing blinders than he accuses us Mo's who think that the President is a vary lousy president (Mitt has nothing to do with it) anyway.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    July 17, 2014 10:36 a.m.

    Oh by the way, Davis said that he spends more time with his family. I know of several trips on the taxpayer dime that he didn't go on. He also seems to golf more, especially at times he should be home monitoring things.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    July 17, 2014 10:59 a.m.

    Yes, employment is down to 6.1% but they are no longer counting those who are not longer looking for work which makes the 6/1% a very disingenuous statistic. Say about 92 million unemployed are no longer being counted. You throw them in and the actual unemployment rate approaches 14%. Yes, Obama is doing real well in the unemployment department.

    The left brands any opposition to Obama as hate. They ought to look at comments from 2000 to 2008 from the left. For a supposed good Mormon Harry Reid spouted all kinds of vitriol at Bush. Much of it lies. We'd expect that from Ted Kennedy, but not from Brother Reid.

  • Laura Bilington Maple Valley, WA
    July 17, 2014 11:13 a.m.

    tbright writes, "This man is dismantling all that we love and respect about our country and replacing it with socialist programs."

    The names of the "socialist programs" that Obama has put into effect that have replaced "all that we love and respect about our country"?

    I can think of one thing Obama has put into place--Health Care Reform. This evil, socialist program (which was a copycat of the evil, socialist program that Romney put into place in MA) did, indeed, replace the loved and respected insurance programs which dumped you when you got sick, refused to cover you if you had a preexisting condition, and capped benefits at ridiculously low limits. In 2008, my son's Rx benefit was $2000--he maxed out four months into the year. In 2012 he couldn't get an individual plan with Rx coverage at ANY price. Now he is covered in full.

    Do you weep for the old system? Did you love and respect it? I didn't and I don't. Thank you, President Obama.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Chihuahua, 00
    July 17, 2014 11:15 a.m.

    When he leaves me alone, closes the NSA spy centers, repeals the Patriot Act, Ends all the wars and blow up the bases for good measure, abolishes the DHS, Ends the Fed, Then I will appreciate him. But he is a Gadianton Robber, His job is to overthrow the freedoms of people here and overseas. He has passed the point of no return.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Chihuahua, 00
    July 17, 2014 11:19 a.m.

    You know, Most of the LDS in Germany also respected Hitler and ratted out those who didn't. Heinrich Hubner in particular didn't respect Hitler and I believe someone in his own branch told reported him to the Gestapo. Obama/Bush supporters would do the same.

  • drdarling SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 17, 2014 11:35 a.m.

    The President that Davis describes in his article is not the President I know through studying his presidential speeches, policies and behaviors.

  • grouchyoldman Arden, NC
    July 17, 2014 12:19 p.m.

    Perhaps you are right. But I find it hard to understand how someone with an advanced degree in Political Science can believe that America needs to be remade. Into what may I ask. Can you also believe that "I have a pen and I have a phone" is the way the founding fathers intended this nation to be governed? History is littered with your definition of "good men" who did great damage to this country and world. To find them you need only look to your own state house and Washington, D.C. Being a good father and friendly to the LDS Church are fine qualities but does it mitigate the misbehavior of the man? After all you have 2 individuals under indictment who are good fathers and members of the Church. Your logic escapes me.

  • Laura Bilington Maple Valley, WA
    July 17, 2014 12:34 p.m.

    wrz says she has a copy of a birth certificate from Kenya and it "looks authentic".

    The Kenyan government has stated categorically that there is no evidence that Obama was born in Kenya. It's easy to make an authentic looking certificate--the Nigerian scammers are well known for producing certificates that purport to show millions of dollars in bank accounts, which you can access for only a few hundred dollars wired to somebody in Nigeria.

  • antodav TAMPA, FL
    July 17, 2014 12:49 p.m.

    This guy doesn't understand the political implications of his religious affiliation any better than Mitt Romney does. The statements regarding the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan however as well as about Obamacare are blatantly false.

  • Red,White,andBlue USA, UT
    July 17, 2014 1:41 p.m.

    Obama's NSA spied on Americans and allied leaders. What did the IRS do? Why was Ms. Lerner's computer hard drive replaced? Coincidence? What happened at Benghazi embassy? Obama's same-sex marriage stand does not harmonize with LDS members and many Christians. Obamacare could have been better with bipartisanship (like Romney's collaborative effort with Massachusetts Democrats). Many Utahns and Americans had their employment reduced to under 30 hours weekly avoiding mandated health care insurance coverage by businesses. (See school aides in Utah for example.) Obamacare isn't cheap--a friend (single, healthy 29-year old) pays over $7,000 yearly with high deductibles and poor coverage. Why delay employer mandates and other portions of Obamacare? Maybe due to diminished Democratic hopes in 2014 Congressional elections?. Why so many underemployed? Why have so many unemployed left the job market not looking for work? Consider the growth in the national debt (nearly 50 percent--about $8 trillion). Compare Obama's spending to previous Presidents. Does Obama's far-reaching use of executive orders concern anyone? What about weakening relations with Israel and other key allies? What about weeks/months of waiting to deal with the BP oil spill, the Keystone pipeline, or the current immigration issue?

  • elkman11 salt lake, UT
    July 17, 2014 2:03 p.m.

    I am not surprise by all the negative responses to this GREAT article. Remember the ACA was a Idea from the (right) Heritage Foundation. This was a compromise from Single payer, which would have been better for everyone. What gun control measures have been enacted, in spite of all the almost weekly gun rampages?. Then don;t forget the economic mess left by W, And the recovery we are experiencing. Get over your hate or a President that will go down in History as one of the GREATEST Presidents.
    I will give you a pass and believe your hate is not based on racism.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    July 17, 2014 2:08 p.m.

    Mike from S.J. You hit the nail square on the head and I agree with you 100%.

  • Ryan Phillips herriman, ut
    July 17, 2014 2:18 p.m.

    82% of LDS people do not approve of President Obama for many reasons. To name but a few: His shift in policy away from Israel, his support for a dictator overthrowing a pro-western election in Iran, his refusal to condemn attacks on Christians in Tunisia, decreasing our military and nuclear capability, projecting weakness and abandoning our allies in Ukraine, Syria and Egypt, spying on our allies, forcing a partisan socialist healthcare law by selling it with lies, lying about the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi for political gain, lying about the end of Al Qaeda, using the IRS to target political opponents (and subsequent cover up), neglect of the VA healthcare system, playing politics with the current immigration crisis when he didn’t bother addressing it once during his first two years (when he had control of both houses), stoking race relations by inserting himself unnecessarily into Trayvon Martin and Henry Lois Gates issues, spending more tax money on Planned Parenthood than any previous president, fueling class envy with tired rhetoric about the rich paying their “fair share”, increasing our national debt more than any previous president, and his connections to communist and anti-American mentors throughout his life.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    July 17, 2014 2:53 p.m.

    RedShirt in your example, Cruz is a citizen because both of his parents were citizens. In Obama's case, only one was. Therefore the natural citizen exception doesn't apply to Obama because only 1 parent was a citizen. Both have to be. Until I get definitive proof however that he wasn't born in the US. I'll consider him to have been born in HI. However he's still the worst President in my lifetime. He just passed Carter. That's a lot of not doing a good job to pass Carter.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    July 17, 2014 3:08 p.m.

    To "Flashback" actually, according to the various Naturalization Acts that have been passed Obama is a natural born citizen even though he only has 1 parent that was a US citizen. The law only states that the father has to have resided in the US, and does not require both parents to be citizens. Just read up on the various Naturalization Acts that have been passed before you go down the rabbit hole of if Obama is a natural born citizen.

    I do agree that Obama is the worst President that the US has ever had in my lifetime.

  • elkman11 salt lake, UT
    July 17, 2014 5:20 p.m.

    I truly wish this page had a Down button and an immediate reply. But then I would have been hear all day disputing all the Fox News (falsehoods) talking points.

  • USMCer POST FALLS, ID
    July 17, 2014 5:27 p.m.

    I have no doubts the president is a good family man and father. I have no doubts he does what he thinks is right. I just don't agree with his politics...period. It's that simple.

  • RG Buena Vista, VA
    July 17, 2014 8:51 p.m.

    Elkman 11: "Single payer, which would have been better for everyone."

    The VA system is basically what a single payer system would be like. Except imagine the VA system for the whole country; if the folks in charge cannot get it right for a few of us (the vets), how do you think it will be when it is for all of us? BTW I have friends in Canada who tell me to run away from single payer. They have experienced it and they know. Read some of the horror stories from England sometime.

  • Confused Sandy, UT
    July 18, 2014 1:13 p.m.

    SteamRoller...
    Your FACTS are incorrect... The Reason GWB has not attended any GOP conventions is very simple, he does not want to be in the spot light any longer. As he put it "It is time for someone else to shine".

    You will also notice that he says very little about how well of a job Obama has done. The reason? He understands better than all the DN posters, exactly what that job entails. He has been a class act since leaving office (with regards to Obama).

    But you look at the "Job" Obama has done, YES he is the worse President in modern history. You complain about Bush going from a "Surplus" (Which is not True) to a Deficit. But then you forget the DOT com bubble burst, 9/11 and the bank failing all within the first year of his term. Those things hit the "Surplus" hard. Second, It was CONGRESS that spent the money, not Bush.

    But Obama has put more money in the Deficit side of the equation than all the other President combined.

    Bush was no saint, he spent too much and did not think things through (In my Opinion), but Obama is simply reckless.

  • Bob K Davis, CA
    July 19, 2014 12:21 a.m.

    Sometimes people cannot articulate thier deep feeling clearly, so they divert to some trite answer they heard someplace.

    "He was born in Kenya" --for the true feeling, chose between:
    A-- "I just cannot accept that White Male America is no longer in charge"
    B-- "The curse of Ham still seems true, in the back of my mind"

    "He is a Socialist"
    C -- Let me quote my own cousin: "When the Blacks get in, they give everything of ours away to the other Blacks"
    D-- "I am going to ignore that Social Security and Medicare are socialism because I want them."

    "He is always on vacation, playing golf, etc" -- even though GWB was 40$ gone.
    E-- "I just want to dislike him, so I am going to grasp at any and all nonsense I read or hear on talk radio"

    As Christians, are we not supposed to love everyone, to try walking in their shoes, to refrain from harsh judgments, and allow that those who differ might be right?

    As Americans, are we no longer trained to speak respectfully of the President?
    And if we look for the President who started all this animosity, it was Richard Nixon, not a Democrat.

  • bj-hp Maryville, MO
    July 19, 2014 12:10 p.m.

    Actually as bad a President Bush was, Obama is much worse and even more divisive than President Bush is. I don't listen to talk radio, either liberal or conservative because both are biased to one degree or the other. Truth be said, the truth is some where between the two. That being said I would have voted against Social Security, though in a few years I may be able to partake of this though my Military Pension and Retirement funds will be more than enough to give me a good living bar a total collapse of the economy which unfortunately will probably happen before 2016.

    For those contemplating the low unemployment rate did you know that a retire member of the Military is unable to draw unemployment because of his pension payment. Considering where a veteran may sit some can't draw unemployment thus not on the rolls. Thus the unemployment numbers are actually deflated at best.

    Obamacare is a nightmare to say the least especially all of the statistics mentioned but the left refuses to listen. We can no longer be an isolationist country unfortunately many democrats and some republicans are just that.

  • Jack Aurora, CO
    July 19, 2014 2:37 p.m.

    @BobK
    I don't have a high opinion of President Obama, not because of anything other than his failed policies and overreach.
    A. Ridiculous that you would attribute that to everyone. The one and only laudable thing Mr Obama has done is get elected, thus breaking the "white men only" tradition of the Presidency.
    B. One ignorant person saying that doesn't mean everyone is saying that.
    C. You need to slap your cousin.
    D. Socialism is where government controls the production, wages and opportunity. Social Security and Medicare are supposed to be safety nets, not hammocks.
    E. Are you projecting your feelings?

    I cannot understand how numerous people have articulated the reasons not to like the policies of this administration, yet all some folks hear is racism. I think the fault lies with the person hearing, not the person saying in this matter. No matter how well or how often the reasons are enumerated about the policies, some just cannot accept anything but race as the reason. Sad, very sad. It shows a limited understanding of the policies in question.

  • SixthNephi Holladay, UT
    July 19, 2014 3:43 p.m.

    Professor Davis, President Obama is a dissembler of the first order. Hardly a value any Christian would endorse. It's hard to admire someone with such a fundamental gap in virtue.

    I voted for him in 2008 because he seemed very moderate. Then he was promising to cut the deficit and debt in half, which 5 years later we see was a premeditated lie used in order to get elected.

    He was pro-traditional marriage; now he wants marriage "equality," as if that phrase were not an oxymoron. If he is such a great scriptorian, why doesn't the story of Sodom and Gomorrah influence his position on so called "gay" marriage?

    Now with the Bergdahl prisoner exchange, he committed a felony. Not a "smidgen" of evidence of IRS wrongdoing? Benghazi? And dozens more...

    You applaud him for spending time with his kids instead of attending to presidential duties? He was elected President! Washington sacrificed years away from his family serving this country, now we're supposed to laud Obama for being selfish with his time? Maybe he should try playing less golf. Thinking Americans, unlike you, use a different standard to evaluate their president than their next door neighbor.

  • Anchovey Provo, UT
    July 19, 2014 7:03 p.m.

    Dear Professor Davis,

    Had a student in one of your classes written the opinion piece (to which your name is attached) what grade would you have given him/her? Currently, even prominent liberal Constitutional scholars question President Obama's overreach...How can a "family man" not defend the Defense of Marriage Act? How can a president who believes in agency force ObamaCare, or something similar, on everyone? How can the president flame that there is not a smidgen of wrong doing on behalf of the IRS targeting conservative groups...? How can a great president "lead from behind" which is no leadership at all? How can someone keep golfing and going on donor money solicitation trips for the Democratic Party while the world is falling apart? A person in power who regularly chastises those he expects to work with him is not a team builder! I could go on and on, Professor Davis. Perhaps you should read several news outlets every day to get a better handle on why a segment of society does not find much to admire about this president. As a matter of fact, in reading the Book of Mormon, our time is very Book of Mormonish...

  • eddantes ALTONAH, UT
    July 19, 2014 8:24 p.m.

    This article reflects to what extent Professor Davis lives in a bubble as well as his lack of critical thinking. Outside of the facade presented to the public, we have no idea what kind of father Obama is. The ideas transmitted to your children may be more important than the fact that you sit down to dinner with them every evening. The ultimate costs of Obamacare have not kicked with several elements of the law being postponed. Finally, any man who would take his family to Jeremiah Wright's church for twenty years and call the right reverend Wright his spiritual mentor........well need I say more. Finally, with this planned "immigration crisis", Obama has showed himself to be a traitor to the nation; he will risk our cultural and economic foundation by importing thousands and thousands of illegals, all in order to more Democrat vote, cause he and the fed government are giving away "free stuff", to include citizenship.

  • U-tar Woodland Hills, UT
    July 19, 2014 8:52 p.m.

    Richard Davis, I don't think so. You have been in the classroom way too long with the adoring young minds.

  • Michael L Mulcady Prattville, AL
    July 19, 2014 9:06 p.m.

    Please explain his 20 years as a parishioner in Trinity United Church of Christ, and an adherent to the teachings of Jeremiah Wright.

    Thank you

  • abtrumpet Provo, UT
    July 19, 2014 10:37 p.m.

    Nice article. I didn't vote for him, but I'm glad you bring up these points.

  • Reflectere Utah, UT
    July 19, 2014 10:42 p.m.

    Being a good father. a man of faith, and promoting health reform doesn't make you a good President of the United States anymore than it makes you a good CEO or football player or business owner or...

  • Red State Littleton, CO
    July 20, 2014 10:21 a.m.

    This writer is incredibly uninformed.

  • TMR Los Angeles, CA
    July 20, 2014 9:44 p.m.

    I realize I am a little late, but this is a great article and very much appreciated.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    July 21, 2014 6:08 a.m.

    I love the letters from all the faithless people with the attitude of "Mitt didn't win so I want to see this country fail."

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    July 21, 2014 6:09 a.m.

    To All that Hate Obama,

    Your hatred for President Obama proves your failure to wake up during the Bush years. The 400 plus scandals and constitution violations was a big joke for you as Bush leans over the podium and says "I don't see what the problem is? They are just doing jobs Americans don't want."
    Your new found love for Snowden proves how asleep you was when Homeland Security and PATRIOT Act was enacted! Now we have the huge illegal invasion from the south and YOU ALL scream and point fingers but you are also the same people who support this invasion during the Bush years as a humanitarian and profited from the glut of cheap labor.

    If you blame Obama than look in the mirror and blame yourself!

  • Radionoser SLC, UT
    July 21, 2014 7:48 a.m.

    Professor Davis, I have read your commentary and I give you a grade of "F." Your directive "cherry-picking" of subjects about President Obama or inferred by you that he is a "good father", that he is respectful to the LDS faith because he has invited President Ucthdorf twice to the White House for religious discussions, and that President Obama is a "religious person who has committed himself to Christ" is deceptive at its best in your attempt to mask and to ignore the corrupting and cancerous policies and practices that are being imposed upon the citizens of this nation, thus the citizens becoming more dependent on the government, which President Obama and all those who support him want to see happen. That is by design. It is an insult that you accuse members of the LDS Church as using his race in evaluating President Obama's performance as President. I for one do not use race or religion in determining the integrity of any individual but what they say and do. I know people of all faiths, races and no faith and they are all worried the path that President Obama has set in motion.

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    July 21, 2014 8:55 a.m.

    The president is a great father but does not want his daughters punished with a baby. He respects religion but has no problem mandating that religious people pay for abortions and wants to force society to accept gay marriage. His view of Christianity (collective salvation) is very different than most.

    While President Obama may be a very nice person, I cannot disagree with him on any policy issue without some administration surrogate asserting I only disagree with him because I am a racist.

    The guy who gets drunk and runs over you children may be a wonderful family man but I would not give him my car keys.

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  • jasonlivy Orem, UT
    July 21, 2014 3:14 p.m.

    silo-

    You are correct. I should have researched the quote further. He was actually talking about sex education and not his pro-choice stance. The only thing I heard on TV was the statement listed below and assumed he was expressing his opinion on being pro-choice. I apologize for that.

    Once I found and read the transcript online, the feelings I expressed in my earlier opinion are the same. I don't agree with his stance on sex education. The words he used when speaking about promoting contraception was, "I don't want her punished with a baby!".

    These words offended me now as they did back then. Yes, I can see how someone would think that they are being 'punished' with a baby if they are too young to care for it, but the way he made me feel is that it was the baby's fault, not the choices the mother made leading up to it.

    A big proponent of liberalism is not only being pro-choice, but taking personal responsibility out of the equation. This is fundamentally against the doctrine of the LDS church.

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    July 21, 2014 3:45 p.m.

    As a religious person I do like the things you mentioned about the President - especially Obamacare, that is the major reason I voted for him. However, unfortunately he has lost me by his support of SSM. As a family man he should realize that the best environment to raise and nurture children is in a home with a mother and a father. This is such a fundamental factor in the success of children that it really overshadows the other positive attributes the President has. Some things just are not equal and never will be.

  • sthomaslewis Corvallis, OR
    Aug. 9, 2014 2:16 p.m.

    I still do not respect Obama. He golfs during crises, did nothing regarding Benghazi, allows illegal aliens to cross the borders unchecked, blocks the oil pipeline, issues unconstitutional executive orders, and otherwise tramples on the Constitution, which the Latter-day Saints hold sacred. (Doctrine and Covenants 98: 5-7) I have no more respect for Obama than I do for Karl Marx, whose ideology Obama follows.