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600 strong, BYU athletes are in a service league all their own

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  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 14, 2014 11:13 a.m.

    Note to DN staff: Almost everyone does some volunteer work or Pro Bono work on a regular basis. The LDS church has long been an advocate of volunteerism and community service. Do we really need an article everyday about how wonderful BYU is? If it isn't their prowess against inferior sports opponents it's their compassion and volunteer work. Enough already! Your daily articles are skewing the true perspective of the good being done.

  • IA Cougar West Des Moines, IA
    July 14, 2014 11:22 a.m.

    There are haters out there regarding BYU everything. Nothing can ever utter from their anonymous keyboards that is positive about BYU. Regardless of all that hate, this is really what BYU is all about and why I love BYU. It's genuine and it's more than sports. We don't need the mighty Pac12 for this. Congrats to all of the athletes at BYU for taking on a cause bigger than themselves and for losing themselves in the service of others. You are all champions to me.

    I'm sure all of the Utah schools have service programs in place and I salute any institution for doing it. I'm proud to support a school that makes it a focus. In the end, it will count for way more than wins and losses.

    Thanks for the article. Go BYU!

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 14, 2014 11:45 a.m.

    I, too, like to hear about the positive things people do with their lives. Keep them coming!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2014 11:45 a.m.

    "No other university reports anything of the magnitude or scale of these athletes."

    That's why I love the University of Utah Pac 12 utes. We are the classiest university in the state and don't need to tell everyone about all the great things we do and all the great people(alum, students, athletes) we have.

    We just do it.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    July 14, 2014 12:06 p.m.

    Chris B,

    Au contraire. No university I know of leaves any good work unreported. State, private, religious. All of them.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2014 12:09 p.m.

    Twin,

    How would you know if the University of Utah did something and didn't need to publicize how great we are?

  • CodyCougar Madison, SD
    July 14, 2014 12:29 p.m.

    Chris B.

    I have one absolutely mouth-stuffing statistic for you.

    Average ACT of entering Freshman:

    BYU 29
    UU 22

    And all your smack will never compensate for that.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    July 14, 2014 12:36 p.m.

    Chris B,

    Not an issue with Utah or any other school. But the six colleges my immediate family has attended (a mix of small, large, public, private, and religious) and the several others for my sister's family never hold back. They take every chance to let their alumni (donors) know the positives for the school. If the U is not doing this, they may need a new Alumni relations person.

  • Joey K Sandy, UT
    July 14, 2014 12:48 p.m.

    While I admire the athletes doing things the right way and serving their community, the claim that BYU is a "missionary tool" for the LDS church is not true. For all of the service done by these no name athletes at speaking engagements, etc., none of it will make up for the animosity sparked by Max Hall's hate-filled rant, the Branden Davie's scandel and BYU's selective Honor code enforcement which has been proven to disproportionately target minorities, and the gang rape scandal under Crouton. The LDS Church needs to realize that athletics and religion don't mix. I know many more people who have been turned off by Mormons as a result of interactions with BYU athletes and fans than have been turned on by service, good sportmanship, etc.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2014 12:50 p.m.

    Twin,

    And yet you still haven't answered how you would know if Utah did something and didn't publicize it? How are you certain of every service event Utah has done and that you're so certain every event it publicized afterwards?

    Crickets, crickets

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 14, 2014 12:59 p.m.

    Twin Lights

    There are many very large organizations that serve in silence. The LDS church silently does much more that BYU and makes very little of it public. I have often wondered if BYU has a PR department tasked with having at least one article (often sports related) ready on a daily basis for the local media. I am not questioning that there is good being done but it does seem as though it might be being done for recognition and not true christian compassionate service. The constant band beating by BYU makes it apear as though they are trying skew public opinion about BYU. I believe BYU is a fine institution and preforms a very worthy role of service but perhaps could do so with little less seeking of acknowledgement for their good works.

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 14, 2014 1:09 p.m.

    Cody Cougar

    It's not how you enter a University or College but with what knowledge and character you leave it with. ATC scores mean nothing.

  • Sports Are Great Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2014 1:15 p.m.

    Silent Lurker,

    You're right, ACT means nothing. Unless of course one is measuring work ethic and intelligence, in which case, the Ivy League schools would disagree with you.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    July 14, 2014 1:20 p.m.

    Chris B

    "And yet you still haven't answered how you would know if Utah did something and didn't publicize it? How are you certain of every service event Utah has done and that you're so certain every event it publicized afterwards?"

    It's because they didn't. I get stuff from ASU and NAU all the time touting the Tillman run, scholarship needs and how the students perform community service, including what they did. If I didn't get those types of literature, I'd assume they were doing nothing, which is why EVERY college touts their wares.

  • Taysom4Heisman Heber City, UT
    July 14, 2014 1:25 p.m.

    @Chris B

    "And yet you still haven't answered how you would know if Utah did something and didn't publicize it?"

    I would like to ask you the very same question about BYU. Not everything we do is publicized either.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 14, 2014 1:53 p.m.

    Taysom4Heisman

    Yes it is.

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 14, 2014 1:59 p.m.

    Sports Are Great

    I would also point out that Ivy League schools are more concerned with how much knowledge you gained and what level of integrity you leave with than the ACT score you entered with.

  • Chris from Rose Park Hartford, CT
    July 14, 2014 2:00 p.m.

    @Cody Cougar and Sports Are Great

    Poor form to bring up ACT scores in an article like this. It has no bearing to the conversation and it wasn't even a good comeback at that. All you did was insult a wonderful student body that is seeking higher learning. Does that make you feel bigger than Chris B? Feel happy that you just insulted the merit of the school attended by J. Willard Marriot, Lavell Edwards (Master's Degree), and Thomas Monson.

    Let's just get along and realize that both BYU and the UofU (and just about every other school) do good for their respective communities.

  • Objectified Richfield, UT
    July 14, 2014 2:03 p.m.

    @ Chris B:

    If you are representative of a typical U supporter, then it's probably the other way around. At the level you've beaten the drum of any and/or all Ute accomplishments, it's most likely that any and/or all of that school's accomplishments are quite exaggerated. Especially in comparison to other universities in the area.

    I've still not been able to determine why you and a few other Ute supporters (such as Silent Lurker) are almost always the first to jump on and comment about every article concerning BYU. That level of fixation (obsession) is somewhat difficult to understand.

    @ Silent Lurker:

    Are there actually articles about BYU's accomplishments every day as you claim, or is that another of your exaggerations? What daily articles have there been this past week? I'd honestly like some verification to your rhetorical claims.

    There's a simple solution to your issue. Why don't you and Chris B just not read anything in the paper with BYU in the title? It would then be one less thing for you two to complain about on a regular basis. You and all of us would then be happier.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    July 14, 2014 2:23 p.m.

    @ Silent Lurker:

    If, as you claim, there are many big organizations that render substantial service in silence, then how do you know more about such things than the rest of the public... especially if all that service is done silently?

    Also, how exactly is it that you personally know what Ivy League schools are most concerned with regarding knowledge and integrity? What specifically qualifies you to represent their acclaimed priorities in those areas... or are you just once again making up something that sounds good?

    Is it really so difficult to simply acknowledge the goodness of public service... any public service, regardless of its source? The fact that volunteer work is being rendered is truly what's important here.

    It's an out-of-skew ego issue to turn such things into a competition... (i.e., my school renders more service than your school, etc.). Based on some of the above comments, it appears time for a reality check.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    July 14, 2014 2:23 p.m.

    @ Silent Lurker:

    If, as you claim, there are many big organizations that render substantial service in silence, then how do you know more about such things than the rest of the public... especially if all that service is done silently?

    Also, how exactly is it that you personally know what Ivy League schools are most concerned with regarding knowledge and integrity? What specifically qualifies you to represent their acclaimed priorities in those areas... or are you just once again making up something that sounds good?

    Is it really so difficult to simply acknowledge the goodness of public service... any public service, regardless of its source? The fact that volunteer work is being rendered is truly what's important here.

    It's an out-of-skew ego issue to turn such things into a competition... (i.e., my school renders more service than your school, etc.). Based on some of the above comments, it appears time for a reality check.

  • Sports Are Great Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2014 2:24 p.m.

    Silent,

    And no one has suggested that Ivy Leagues aren't more concerned about what someone does after. You are the one who suggested ACT means nothing, which of course, is nonsense. It was just a poor job at deflecting the attention from the very wide gap brought up between average ACT scores for BYU and Utah students. And just because you don't want to hear it, I'll repeat it:

    BYU 29
    Utah 22

  • VegasCoug1978 Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 14, 2014 2:46 p.m.

    Doesn't it get tiring to hate all the time? The vast majority of BYU and Utah fans are good, decent, and reasonable fans. They don't spend their entire time commenting hate about articles that are bringing in something positive outside of sports performance on the field or court. We should all appreciate good service without looking beyond what's there just because you don't like that institution. Basically what I'm trying to say is grow up.

  • Utah rules Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2014 2:57 p.m.

    Chris and Silent,
    Give it a rest. You make the rest of us look like jerks.
    I have worked at BYU and the U of U and they are both great universities. Just because Deseret News wrote an article on something you hate does not give you the right to stir up anger. Please stop the hatred and let BYU be BYU and Utah be Utah.

  • VegasCoug1978 Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 14, 2014 3:15 p.m.

    @ Utah Rules

    Bravo for saying that! Any good BYU or Utah fans out there reading this garbage on these comments boards need to stand up against all this bickering from both sides. The rivalry doesn't have to be this way. Quite frankly I'm embarrassed to be part of this rivalry when I hear stuff like this. Give it a rest.

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    July 14, 2014 3:16 p.m.

    Can't the fact that these college kids do something good just stand on it's own merit without it turning into a UofU oriented putdown ? Clearly the DN acts as a beat writer for all things BYU given its ownership. Trolling around mocking all things associated with BYU, and for whatever reason possible does not reflect well on the UofU.

  • Socal Coug San Diego, CA
    July 14, 2014 3:40 p.m.

    I'm proud to be a BYU Alum. It wasn't easy academically. I can't imagine being a BYU athlete and all the responsibilities with it, getting through academics (though I'm sure there are resources), and adhering to the honor code as well. Oh, and being GOOD at your specialty athletically.
    Sure, there are exceptions, but it makes me proud of BYU and their commitment to attract the best PEOPLE first and foremost.

  • Frank Staheli Santaquin, ut
    July 14, 2014 4:24 p.m.

    Many of the BYU fans who have commented here seem to be smug that BYU is better than anyone else because of this.

    Many of the U of Y fans seem offended that DesNews would dis them by reporting something good about BYU.

    Can't we all just appreciate the good when it is pointed out, regardless of where it comes from, and NOT think that the things that are mentioned are somehow better than the ones that are not?

  • Taysom4Heisman Heber City, UT
    July 14, 2014 4:28 p.m.

    @ekute

    And just like Chris B says that you wouldn't know about it if utah didn't publicize it, the same goes for BYU.

    You think that everything is publicized, but just like Chris B said, the only things you have heard of are the things that are made public. You have no idea of the things that aren't.

    Go ahead and tell me something utah did secretly that the public never knew about. See where I'm going with this?

    Every school does things that the public doesn't know about. And we don't know what those things are, because we don't know about them.

  • 32843 PROVO, UT
    July 14, 2014 5:32 p.m.

    Silent Lurker,

    While an IVY league school may be concerned with the growth a student has experienced once that student has been admitted, that student will not have been admitted into school unless their ACT score warrents admission, among other things. Low ACT score-No Harvard degree.

    You can't explain away the U's low ACT's as compared to they Y's by suggesting that IVY league schools don't care about them.

  • donn layton, UT
    July 14, 2014 7:31 p.m.

    Twin Lights, “Alumni relations are very good, considering:

    In the 1970s, several schools protested against BYU, claiming it was a racist organization — Stanford and San José State both refusing to play the university in sports. In 1970, the University of Arizona sent a “fact-finding committee” to determine if BYU was racist, finding that “rhetoric had escalated too far” with regards to racism and the Western Athletic Conference. The BYU newspaper The Daily Universe reported that Arizona's committee determined that BYU was not racist, but was an “isolated institution whose members simply do not relate to or understand black people.” BYU football players were met by 75 picketers demonstrating against racism at BYU when they played Arizona a week after the report

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 15, 2014 11:17 a.m.

    Brio

    Are you really questioning the good done by the LDS church, the Catholic church, the World Health Organization, Feed the Children, Bread for the World, Goodwill, the Salvation Army, the Red Cross and many others? Do they not serve in more silence?

    I personally graduated form UCLA and consider it one of the country's finest universities and my own experience there was used as a basis for my statement. I have friends who graduated from Harvard, Stanford, Yale and Penn none of whom tout their ACT score for entry but rather the accomplishments of their education upon leaving.

    I know of many who have rendered many hours of public service and Pro Bono work on behalf of others in the last fifty years. I recognized in my comment that BYU is responsible for many good acts, I question the motive behind such articles not the good being done.