Agreed that they overpaid, they obviously knew they were gambling. Though they
are paying more, it isn't like it's a huge amount more, the cap
implications aren't that big, and it's only 4 years during which time
they will have Burke, Exum locked up and may have to lock up Burks and
Kanter.But there is a lot of time before those things have to
happen, and, a lot of money available on the Jazz payroll.
There is an old saying...a fool and his money soon part...wow and did it go
Michael Jordan seems to think he's worth that kind of offer.
I feel like at some point people are going to realize that this isn't 2004
anymore and the NBA is no longer operating under the same collective bargaining
agreement that allowed teams to sign players for 6 years. Max
contracts are not as burdensome for teams as they were 5 or 10 years ago. More
players like Hayward are going to start getting more money for the simple fact
that there is less money being spent on bad 6 year contracts. There are
currently 11 teams with enough cap space to sign a max player and that
doesn't even include teams like Houston who also have big enough trade
exceptions to take on a max contract.The market is what really
dictates value and with so much money available to spend more players like
Hayward are going to be getting max money. Hayward's contract isn't a
6 year $100 million it's 4 year $63 million- huge difference!
I don't think you'll find anyone that will say that Hayward is a max
player. However, bottom-line, he's earning max money. The Jazz brass
didn't have enough foresight to see how the market would play out and they
got stuck with this. The intersting part, for me at least, is to see how Hayward
responds to this. I am intrigued to see how it plays out.
First misstep by Lindsey? How about letting two all stars go Sat year
without getting anything in return!?
This is not Lindsey's first major misstep. Prior to last season, the Jazz
GM allowed Paul Millsap and Al Jefferson to walk away from the franchise without
any compensation into the welcoming arms of Atlanta and Charlotte where they
promptly had career years for their new teams.Although I think Quin
Snyder was a decent hire, Lindsey also allowed Jeff Hornacek, who should have
been coach of the year, to be lured away from the team by Phoenix when it was
obvious Ty Corbin wouldn't be rehired; I don't think Lindsey liked
either Corbin or Hornacek.And, these two rookies he drafted have me
concerned as well; I thought Randle and Early were better options after Aaron
Gordon slipped by the Jazz to Orlando.Within a couple of years,
we'll know whether the new Jazz GM is up to the job or is just another guy
who looks good in an expensive suit and has a nice haircut. Actually, he kind of
reminds me of Mitt Romney, a guy who fits the part but flails away with every
The Jazz will look at their guys in Las Vegas and in practices, and with so many
teams sitting with excess cap space now, Hayward is trade-able, even at this
price. So this isn't a bad deal for the Jazz. They had to keep their
assets, now they still have options, including another $12-14M cap space open.
Likely they are not done with moves yet, like everybody else. GM Dennis Lindsay
set out to prove that he's tough, and nobody can get over on him, and so
far nobody has -- two first round draft picks that everyone likes, and keeping
Hayward when everybody who can dribble is getting over-paid. The Jazz will
eventually have to be reckoned with in the west, 2-3 years away now.
Max money doesn't mean what it used to. This contract has less to do with
Hayward's play or potential and more to do with the timing of the market
and direction the league is heading with the expectation of huge revenue growth
in the next few years.If Utah had not matched it would have been a
clear signal to fans that they aren't committed to this turnaround plan.
They obviously are committed to it and have to keep betting on that plan. In
two or three years - barring terrible performance from Hayward - this contract
will be seen as a smart move.
In simple terms:Max players are making...Lebron $21M....Melo $24M....Bosh
$23MHayward is making $16MJazz could have had him cheaper, but they
gambled and lost. At least two NBA GM's think Hayward is worth the
money.Nobody else's opinion is relevant
What is not being reported and which I think has made all the difference in how
this played out is what Utah was seeking and what Hayward was willing to accept
in terms of contract renewal. Did Utah want a 4-year contract with a team option
in year 4 or for year 5? or perhaps another restricted free agent year at the
end of the contract? Something tells me that Hayward is not quite as
anxious to spend his entire career with the Jazz as the Jazz are to have him. I
wish he would, growing into the role of huge contributor on a championship
It just goes to prove that larry h miller's son is an idiot. I have never
seen a more inept owner make the decisions this guy has. The Jazz could use a
great outside shooter, but continue to ignore the likes of Jimmer. Why? Utahns
would relish the thought of him being in a Jazz uniform, even if it was for one
or two or three seasons. He would bring in the fans. But no. This miller and his
general manager or way over their heads. The Jazz will be as pathetic this
upcoming season as they were the last. Maybe it's time for the fans to stay
home and let the organization know just how we feel about this lackluster team?
Haywood, as of now, isn't worth $63 million period.
I agree Hayward doesn't deserve max money, but that is where the market is.
One way he does stand out as an NBA player, though, is as a thoughtful and
skilled passer. I've seen most of the great passers in NBA history,
including Cousy and Bird and Magic and Stockton. They all made things so much
easier for their teammates. Hayward needs to improve his shot no doubt, but his
passing raises the FG percentages of others on the team. He isn't an
all-star yet, but I'm guessing he will make at least some all-star second
teams in the years ahead. And I bet Derrick Favors is smiling right now about
Gordon being signed by the Jazz.
Well I think most if not all pro athletes are over paid, with that being said. I
cant wait to see what Hayward does with a new coach, last year was a mess. When
ever the team got out and ran they did well, but it seemed that Corbin didnt
want that. I think Hayward will be just fine, allstar who knows, but I think he
will do much better this year with a different coach. Now is he worth that much
money...... just like I wrote earlier I don't think any of these guys are
worth the amount they are payed to play a "game". But I hope Hayward
lives up to the contract. see Randy you wrote "he's a wonderful,
thoughtful and classy young man who's good in the locker room and in the
community and one who, thankfully, doesn't ever cause problems or make any
trouble in either of those places"..... well to me that is worth the money.
If that is why they paid him that much "Thank You Utah Jazz" for looking
out for us fans.
Make no mistake Hayward and his agent are the winners. They got the fool Jordan
to display his stupidity and poor judgement yet again and now the Jazz agree and
take it on.When Hayward would not come to terms last season that is
when the Jazz should have acted. They should have had a plan to move him and
get an asset.They better continue to seek deals to move him because
he is a role player so far.If Quinn Snyders system fixes Hayward we
will all be thrilled and it will prove Corbin was as bad a coach as many
thought.If Hayward continues his poor shooting and high turnovers we
will know that Lindsey should have been smarter and not given all this money to
someone who already showed who they were.Alec Burkes will be a
better scorer than Hayward in this league and has a better chance of continuing
@sgYour post made my day, needed a good chuckle. So the Jazz are
"idiots" for signing Hayward. And idiots for not signing Jimmer. So, to
get this straight, we would not have Hayward if you ran the team and Jimmer
would be in his place.Perhaps the $63 million should have been offered to
If the FO is trying to rebuild the team in the image of past great players such
as Malone, Stockton, and Hornacek, I really don't have a problem with
Hayward as the new Hornacek. Sure they may have overpaid a bit this time around
but once players such as Duncan have been with a team for a long time, they tend
to be more agreeable to lower quid pro quo salaries later on. Yeah, there's
a lot of Mr Magoos out there that are having trouble seeing past the end of
their noses because they're so near sighted but that's no big deal. I
also don't have a problem with Dante being the new Stockton. Who knows, the
kid's got size and speed that might even make him an upgrade on Stockton.
Does that make Trey the new Eisley? Maybe Rudy is the new Tag, not sure who the
new Malone is, anyone want to take a stab at that one? Maybe all the rest of
extra pieces will be enough to put us over the top? By the way, the mighty Quin
definitely seems like an upgrade for Slowone.
Randy Hollis and many posters here failed to mention one actual fact. The Jazz
also have a MINIMUM salary cap that they must achieve. So answer me this
question, and you better support it with some facts. Who could the Jazz have
SIGNED (not offered) who would come to the Jazz and make an immediate impact
like Gordon Hayward has? The Jazz have to spend money to meet the minimum NBA
salary cap, and I believe they made a good choice in signing Hayward
Meh. It's just the NBA.
Another Greg Ostertag deal. What a waste.
I love all the Greg Ostertag bashing comments....if we have forgotten, Ostertag
played in two back-to-back finals, against the defending champions(and arguably
the best player of the game), which has only happened twice until recently. We
should all feel very lucky if any our current players can ever say the same
thing ever again. I'm no expert, Lindsey is...he has a reputation for
being very savvy at what he does. I hope he still has his edge and surprise us
all with this deal. He is where he is because ultimately, he listens to his
instinct and not his critics. And of course, I can't expect the man to hit
all home runs, just enough to keep it real. When you gamble sometimes you win
big and sometimes you lose big.
Overpaid? Yes...but...there isnt anyone left with his skillset...and thinking
about a starting lineup that includes Exum and Hayward...both unselfish
players...would be nice...i am not familiar with Snyder's prefered
scheme...let's just hope its like San Antonio...with a lot of
passing...first summer league game...all i see is Trey Burke dribbling the ball
for 7-10 secs at a time...since this is the first time they'll all be
playing together i can forgive it...let's just hope that...Hayward plays to
"And if they hadn't re-signed Hayward, who would the Jazz have gone
after instead? It's not like Utah is a hot spot for big-name free agents to
land."And so what was Randy Hollis' motivation in writing
this article? Just to annoy and offend Gordon Hayward? After wasting all our
time and effort to read how many inches of his opinion he states the obvious.
What was the alternative? To let Charlotte have him and be left with nobody?=
to fill his position? Or somebody with even less experience and less talent?If Hollis can't recognize that Gordon is an integral part of the
Jazz rebuilding strategy then he has no business writing sports articles for the
DN. Yes, Dennis Lindsay gambled and lost in this case. But this is a four year
deal, not a 6 year deal like AK got. And if hustle and heart are important
ingredients in a player and a team, who has more than Gordon Hayward?
Again, Hayward is not getting max money, just the max that the Hornets could
offer. I say he deserves and is worth Max money.Now Randy Hollis is
not wor4th what he is being paid.If Jazz are healthy they will win
In the NBA, you typically do not let a player walk away if you can re-sign them.
It's just how business works. If Hayward doesn't pan out next
season, you trade him. But for now, you take your chance that he gives you
value down the road. Hayward may be the missing piece for a team to win a
championship in a few years and others will be willing to pay for his inflated
contract. If he turns into a superstar like some of you think he will, then its
money well spent.