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Gallup poll: Mormons like Obama least of all faith groups

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  • Stormwalker Cleveland , OH
    July 11, 2014 8:29 p.m.

    Mormons don't like Obama.

    In the words of Gomer Pyle, "surprise, surprise, surprise."

  • Mike Johnson Stafford, VA
    July 11, 2014 8:44 p.m.

    The protestant numbers combine the three main groups of protestants:

    1. Evangelicals (about half)
    2. Mainline Protestants (about a quarter)
    3. Members of Historically Black Protestant Churches (about a quarter)

    (according to the Association of Religious Data Archives)

    These groups, I would think, would have very different responses to a question about presidential job performance approval.

    In fact, I was surprised that the aggregate approval rating for Protestants was as low as it was. Evangelicals probably give the President an approval rating similar to Mormons, while Mainline and Historically Black Protestants are likely to be substantially more favorable.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    July 11, 2014 9:45 p.m.

    "...the LDS Church would be well-served by issuing an apology and atone for its part in the maintenance of systemic white racism. Then, all members can seek to do better and right by those it offended."

    Dr. Darron Smith, an African-American Latter-day Saint is an assistant professor in the Department of Physician Assistant Studies at the University of Tennessee Health Science Center.

    Apparently, systemic racism may be an ongoing problem in the Church.

  • BrentBot Salt Lake City, UT
    July 12, 2014 5:51 a.m.

    Members of the LDS Church view their politicians by their adherence to the Ten Commandments (do not bear false witness, etc.) and their adherence to Free Agency (freedom of conscience). Obama rates an "F" on both accounts. Mormons understand that Satan's goal is to take away our Free Agency. This a core principle in "Rules for Radicals" by Saul Alinsky, which Obama taught to others. "Rules for Radicals" was a book dedicated to Satan. Mormons can spot evil and totalitarianism, perhaps better than other religions.

    I don't believe resentment against "one of their own" losing had much to do with the rating.

  • antodav TAMPA, FL
    July 12, 2014 6:30 a.m.

    This isn't surprising, and they shouldn't like him by any means, but what the majority of them support instead of him is just as wrong and no less inconsistent with the principles of our religion.

  • higv Dietrich, ID
    July 12, 2014 6:51 a.m.

    @I;mlds I don't think most lds people are racist or think someone is inferior do to race. Don't like Obomas policies regardless of his race.

  • Mark from Montana Davis County, UT
    July 12, 2014 6:53 a.m.

    I understand not liking the job Obama is doing, his performance is after all abysmal. What I don't understand is how many Mormons support the Tea Party. The stand, the beliefs of the top Tea Party politicians, such as Mike Lee, Jason Chaffetz and Ted Cruz fly in the face of Mormon teachings.

    Don't get me wrong. I dislike Reid as much as I do Obama, but I put Lee, Cruz and Chaffetz in the same bucket as Obama and Reid.

  • Pops NORTH SALT LAKE, UT
    July 12, 2014 7:10 a.m.

    Hate is a strong word. "Disagree" might be more appropriate. As far as my opinion goes, I disagree with policies that allow a person to participate in economic activities only if they abandon their religious beliefs. I disagree with policies that encourage illegal immigration. I disagree with foreign policy that refuses to acknowledge evil in the world and doesn't act proactively to protect American interests. I disagree with the idea that the federal government ought to be in the business of taking care of everyone. I disagree with the idea that responsible citizens shouldn't be allowed to own guns. I disagree with gay "marriage". And so on.

    As far as Barack Obama as a person is concerned, he seems to be quite likable, and we definitely share some values. I appreciate his devotion to his family, for example. So it's a bit disingenuous to apply a "hate" label with such broad brush strokes. It certainly doesn't encourage civil dialog and the quest to find common ground.

  • high school fan Huntington, UT
    July 12, 2014 7:30 a.m.

    Just stop and think about it. As Mormons, we are taught to take care of ourselves and those around us but our President has different thoughts, let us take care of everybody.
    Obama's plans and Satan's plan are similar, no free agency and we will all get the same reward. I like it the other way, let me try and succeed on my own, I will take care of myself.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    July 12, 2014 7:36 a.m.

    Its just shows how long it takes to purge a century old belief system from the church. For those in particular in Utah where wards are homogenous - they truly don't have the opportunity to experience the church as a multi-cultural society with believers from a wide strata of life.

    As I write this, we are heading back to Utah right now for a visit. When we get to church on sunday, I can count on as surely as the sun will rise that my kids will be the subject of great attention and curiosity, as they will be the only kids of color in the chapel. But what reassures me is each time this happens, by the end of the three hour block, the kids exit their meetings having made new friends, and shifted some paradigms from their deeply rooted foundations.

    You can't change attitudes in isolation.... and unfortunately in many parts of Utah, there isn't much to challenge century old ways of thinking.

  • Plammijr South Jordan, UT
    July 12, 2014 8:37 a.m.

    Let's see . . . Harry Reid is Mormon. Does he like Obama?

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    July 12, 2014 8:46 a.m.

    Please correct me if I am wrong but did not Utah return President Bush and Vice President Cheney to the presidency in their last election with the highest approval rating in the nation?

    Perhaps it is the quality of the news that they receive in this state. The question is can the information people read or hear slant their political beliefs one way or the other?

    Maybe this could be an argument for two differing view points in our local papers.

    An additional question who led the way on the Swallow scandal? Would the Deseret News have covered it in the beginning if it were not for the Tribune?

  • riverofsun St.George, UT
    July 12, 2014 9:19 a.m.

    From what we all have been taught about the LDS/Mormon Faith, it would seem that these unkind words would have been kept quietly to themselves.

  • liberty or ...? Ogden, UT
    July 12, 2014 9:56 a.m.

    continuation of last post..
    5.In conjunction with #4 the lord has never revealed the reason for the ban. And before you say the lord would never do that read your BIBLE cause he already has. In the old testament HAMS descendants were denied the priesthood because of their lineage(vindicated by Jewish theology as well).2. Only the Levites could hold the Aarronic priesthood and officiate in the temple ordinances.3. Gospel was forbidden to be preached to gentiles it would take a revelation to peter after Christs ascenssion to convince him it was OK.
    6.Because god never revealed the reason people specualted and came up with their own theories such as BY, Joseph fielding Smith,and Bruce R Mckonckie ( Theory of pre existant worthiness or fore ordination)BUT this was never Sanctioned church doctrine even though some taught it as such.Or are you suggesting individuals can't have a private opinion?
    7.FOR MEMBERS WAS Brigham Young a prophet of GOD or not? If so it was the Lords Ban not the churches and although we don't know the reason we would do well to remember Isaiah 55:8-9.

  • Indiana H Mission Viejo, CA
    July 12, 2014 10:46 a.m.

    Mike Johnson, I completely agree. This poll errored significantly by not differentiating the different types of Protestants (who numerically are 50 to 1 compared to Mormons). Evangelicals are equivalent or possibly much more anti-Obama. Plus Mormons tend to be much more moderate in their opposition to Obama and Democrats than the Evangelicals are. Disagreeing and outright hostility are two different things! The poll errored big time by not differentiating this also.

    Also I'm watching carefully to see how long the Muslim-Democrat relationship stays. Between the oftentimes intolerant Muslim morality & belief in God, to the oftentimes intolerant Atheist & Gay opposition to it, plus throw the Jew dynamic in, and that's a very very strained relationship!

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    July 12, 2014 11:00 a.m.

    @BrentBot
    If we look at 2008 returns, Obama outperformed Kerry in Utah (the margin of McCain over Obama was shifted 18pts towards Obama in Utah but the national shift was only 10pts). However, in 2012, Romney outperformed Bush and way outperformed McCain in Utah relative to national results. Definitely religion was a factor. It's not the biggest factor (D vs R is the biggest) but it's a secondary factor.

    Besides, you all voted for Romney, you clearly don't care about bearing false witness...

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    July 12, 2014 12:12 p.m.

    UtahBlueDevil,

    Please do not think that Mormons oppose Obama because he is black, or because we don't understand his culture. We oppose him due to his actions, not his race.

    --------

    Also note that every time the church does actually make a public stance on a political issue, Obama falls on the other side. It is not surprising to see that Mormons disagree with Obama.

    Also note that the group that likes Obama the most: Muslims. Interesting.

  • Ralph West Jordan Taylorsville, UT
    July 12, 2014 12:11 p.m.

    I am a 75 year old LDs member and was a republican until the Tea Group took over the party! I voted for Obama as a lesser of two evils in my opinion! Unfortunately we will never know how good of a President he could have been, because his Presidency from day one was gutted by the attitudes that I see prevalent in many of the posts in this thread. But we will all be in church tomorrow, touting our patriotism, compassion and faithfulness!

  • cpafred SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 12, 2014 2:38 p.m.

    Show me someone who has ever run for a political office who didn't tell a lie/ stretch the truth and I'll believe Santa Claus is real.
    Those criticizing Obama on that basis conveniently overlook the many lies told by their beloved leaders, some which have resulted in serious and grievous consequences.

    Re:Brentbot
    "Bearing false witness"? Pot calling kettle...
    Thanks for sharing the Glenn Beck' version which has no basis in reality. Alinsky didn't dedicate his book to Satan. That is just a blatant lie. He dedicated his book to his wife, and also mentioned those who helped in the writing of it.

  • Bchap Cheyenne, WY
    July 12, 2014 3:30 p.m.

    Maybe because we enjoy Constitutional freedoms and resnt those who would usurp them.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    July 12, 2014 4:25 p.m.

    Liberty.... I don't know... was Moses a prophet or not? Did he not do something against Gods council, which ultimately resulted in him not being able to proceed to the promised land with the rest of the house of Israel. This whole notion that because one is a prophet means they are perfect is something we all know, or should know not to be true. Did not Joseph Smith loose part of the transcript by doing something the Lord didn't want him to do.

    The scriptures are full of examples of how very religious men, are also very mortal and human. If this comes down to an argument that a faiths leader needs to be perfect and without fault for the faith to be true, all faith of all kids fails.

    There was one, and only one perfect One... and that was not Brigham Young.

    "Plus Mormons tend to be much more moderate in their opposition to Obama and Democrats than the Evangelicals are. Disagreeing and outright hostility are two different things!"

    @Indiana H - completely agree with your statements.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    July 12, 2014 4:31 p.m.

    "
    Also note that every time the church does actually make a public stance on a political issue, Obama falls on the other side. "

    Oh please, give me a break. I will give you one where they are in lock step... immigration. This trying to infuse your politics into religion is what is wrong with Utah.... and something I don't miss. There are many areas - Obama taken completely out of the picture - where constitutional law is not in synch with our religious tenants. It is ones right to live a life of adult - but we as a faith don't agree with. It is clearly legal to smoke, to drink, are protected constitutionally.... but are things we as a faith don't approve of.

    Even Romney, if he had been elected, would have to act on constitutional principles over his own religious beliefs had he been elected. He would have had to protect ones right to sin.... even if he personally doesn't agree with the sin. He would have had to protect free speech, even if he found that speech offensive.

    Please - lets move beyond the over simplified views of all good, and all evil here.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    July 12, 2014 5:11 p.m.

    Amen, Ralph!

    I feel the same way. Well said.

  • KellyWSmith Sparks, NV
    July 13, 2014 12:05 a.m.

    @Ralph- Let's look at the facts-Obama did not have his presidency "gutted" from the very beginning. He had at least two full years of Democrat majority in the Senate and the House and ran roughshod over the constitution giving us Obamacare, a complete abomination. The Tea Party arose in protest to such actions purely from a grassroots movement. I personally am proud of what they're doing because they stopped the continued shredding of the Constitution by this administration. Their tactics may appear to be extreme but in reality it is reaction to Obama's extreme left wing tactics, and the Tea Party, a People's movement, has a arisen to try to bring it back towards the center.

  • Eliyahu Pleasant Grove, UT
    July 13, 2014 7:53 a.m.

    @KellyWSmith
    "the Tea Party, a People's movement, has a arisen to try to bring it back towards the center."

    Only if your idea of "center" is so far to the right that it falls off the edge of the stage. To the tea party, Eisenhower was a commie fellow traveler and Barry Goldwater was a flaming liberal.

    "... ran roughshod over the constitution giving us Obamacare, a complete abomination.'

    Was it an "abomination" when Romney enacted essentially the same thing in Mass.? The whole plan was based on what the Republicans had proposed several years earlier. It's time for the right wing to stop shilling for the insurance industry and look at what is in the interests of the people of the United States. If the far right wing had been around two thousand years ago, they would have had Jesus set up a stand and sell the loaves and fishes to the five thousand so he could live in comfort.

  • cpafred SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 13, 2014 8:42 a.m.

    Re:KellyWSmith
    "He had at least two full years of Democrat majority in the Senate and the House"

    Republican obstructionism required a super-majority to pass anything. There was only a super-majority for 72 days. The first 2 yrs of Obama's term were plagued by the deaths and illnesses of Senator Byrd and Senator Kennedy. Senator Al Franken, newly elected, didn't get seated until July when the long-protracted challenges to his election were completed.

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    July 13, 2014 9:02 a.m.

    Schnee: talk to us all about false witness??? MR BO lies everytime he opens his mouth. There you go again with the old selective memory thing you always pull on us. Did Mitt change his position once or twice? Probably. Show me one time he lied whereas your President has a list of lies longer than both my arms.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2014 10:58 a.m.

    @Rikitikitavi
    " Show me one time he lied "

    If you can't even remember when he did so in a debate on national television called out on the spot (where the truth was Obama called the Benghazi attack an act of terror in the Rose Garden), you must not have paid much attention.

  • cpafred SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 13, 2014 12:06 p.m.

    Re:rikitikitavi

    Mitt Romney was awarded "Lie of the Year" for his ads claiming Obama sold Chrysler to the Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China at the cost of American jobs.

    Romney has repeatedly falsely claimed that during his tenure at Bain Capital, "net-net, we created over 100,000 jobs."

    Romney also claimed Obama removed the work requirement from the welfare law.

    And numerous others, should I go on?

  • BrentBot Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2014 4:06 p.m.

    Schnee, please tell me one falsehood Mitt Romney told. (Contrary to Harry Reid's protestations, Mitt paid his taxes.) Obama's list is very long: Fast & Furious; Benghazi cover-up, not a "smidgen of corruption" in the IRS targeting of Conservatives and religious organizations, "if you like your doctor, you can keep him", ACA (Obamacare) will save the average family $2,500. When a majority of Democratic delegates to the Democratic Convention voted to exclude God from their platform, Mormons saw the true objectives of Obama and his acolytes.

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    July 13, 2014 6:55 p.m.

    KellyWSmith

    Funny, of all 6 reasons you listed as to why you don't like Obama, all 6 could also be applied to Joseph Smith... interesting.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    July 13, 2014 8:34 p.m.

    "When a majority of Democratic delegates to the Democratic Convention voted to exclude God from their platform, Mormons saw the true objectives of Obama and his acolytes."

    Wouldn't that be cool if that were actually true, instead of some fabrication continually perpetuated by those bent on creating this false narrative to justify their own feelings. From an AP article at the time we read,

    "Obama intervened directly to get the language changed both on Jerusalem and to reinstate God in the platform, according to campaign officials who insisted on anonymity to describe behind-the-scenes party negotiations. They said Obama's reaction to the omission of God from the platform was to wonder why it was removed in the first place."

    And the language was put back in on a floor vote - by the majority. So as you can see, the recounting you are telling is basically a fabrication. Yes, the language was dropped, and then it was reinstated back at Obama's insistence... and sustained by the majority. Yes there were decanters.... some who even boo'ed. But the far right recounting is just.... false and misleading.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    July 13, 2014 11:29 p.m.

    truly sad

  • Bob A. Bohey Marlborough, MA
    July 14, 2014 5:30 a.m.

    My faith and testimony tells me that Mormons dislike with President Obama isn't really about his politics and leadship style.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    July 14, 2014 8:30 a.m.

    @Schnee

    As an example of a Romney "lie" you bring up Benghazi!?!? You can't be serious! Even liberal sources admit that Obama's dealings with the Benghazi issue and his insistence on it being a result of mob violence from a video is very suspicious at best.

    You might have a point about Romney's comment if Obama had not insisted that terrorists were not involved until 2 weeks AFTER he supposedly said it was a terrorist attack (and then again even liberal fact check services had to admit that Obama and the moderator were wrong, although of course it didn't go public).

  • Socal Coug San Diego, CA
    July 14, 2014 12:40 p.m.

    I'm not sure how all the "racism" comments are even allowed on this story. Why would that even be a topic in this story? Really people?

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    July 14, 2014 2:09 p.m.

    Article title: "Gallup poll: Mormons like Obama least of all faith groups"

    Practicing/faithful Latter-day Saints know that:

    - America is a land blessed above all other lands.
    - They know WHY America is a land blessed above all other lands.
    - They know the value of freedom.
    - They know when freedom is being attacked, despite fancy wrappers and pronouncements it is not being attacked.

    It's nice to know that Mormons, politically speaking, are the wisest of the wise.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    July 14, 2014 4:16 p.m.

    "I will give you one where they are in lock step... immigration."

    I didn't know the church advocated for illegal immigration. I'll have to look it up again in the church's statements.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    July 14, 2014 4:34 p.m.

    I have to say that this is one of the most disturbing thread of comments I've ever seen on the Des New website. Whether this note is approved or not, I would like to ask the person who moderates this board to consider something. You disallow posts for almost anything that questions the integrity of church leadership and yet you would allow a high school student to post remarks that compare our President to Satan. You allow others to call him evil. Isn't this slightly hypocritical and in some ways a bit insane? Truly--look over some of these posts and ask yourself if you are helping in any way to serve the public or to make the world a better place. Ask yourself if you are being fair. I know that I myself wrote of my disagreements with Mr. Romney last election and had many posts rejected. I want to also say that I never, ever compared him to the devil or thought or spoke of him as being evil. People, get a hold of yourselves. Anger and hate are what we need least in these times.

  • bj-hp Maryville, MO
    July 14, 2014 6:22 p.m.

    I have always voted Republican for President and basically this comes from the following:

    I disagree with abortion on demand. The Democratic party agrees with this as a whole. I support the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints stand which is abortion may be necessary in case of rape, incest or if the life of the mother is in jeopardy.

    Big Government: This is a big one for me where I believe as the founding fathers that we need a strong Federal Government but most laws should stay within the states. However, I disagree when a state wants to succeed from the Union. That right destroys the country as a whole. Though this has become more numerous in recent years I still object to it.

    Same-sex marriage: This has been defined by the US Government and the Supreme Court of this land as between man and woman. It wasn't until a certain degree of society has baggered others to accept this lifestyle as good for society. That is baloney in the worst way.

    These three areas make up my stand against the Democratic party. It doesn't matter upon race, religion or gender.

  • bj-hp Maryville, MO
    July 14, 2014 7:41 p.m.

    I do not hate Obama one bit but I don't believe at all in any of his politics or those of most of the Democratic party. However, as has been noted by Utahbluedevil if I disagree with Obama I must be racist.

    Some of our more liberal members are quite socialist is their beliefs and feel that this is compatible with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saint beliefs. Obama came out against traditional family when he became pro same-sex. You can't be for traditional marriage and same sex marriage as neither is compatible.

    Obama believes in abortion at any time up to and including the last tri-mester. Again this is incompatible with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints stand as the leaders have stated that having an abortion could cause possible church discipline.

    Big Government is Obamacare in its entireity. Again something that goes against the beliefs of the LDS Church. Government as stated by President Lincoln is of the people, by the people and for the people. Big Government is not any of these.

    Making the rich pay more in taxes is no more equitable than the taxes today.

  • omahahusker Modesto, CA
    July 14, 2014 10:32 p.m.

    I don't like to see religion cast over politics. Only serves to bring out negative comments that are unfounded. Almost yearly the Latter Day Saints are reminded that the Church as a whole remains neutral in politics, but it is the duty of the members to carefully and prayerfully consider the issues and candidates. Maybe the outcome of the LDS vote is a witness of the Holy Spirit. There was another in a pre-existant world that called for the equality of outcome versus of equality of opportunity.

    This is the country we live in.

  • FatherOfFour WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    July 15, 2014 7:00 a.m.

    So why is it that such a high number of Catholics and Jewish support Obama? Are they really that much different form the Mormons?

  • Jamescmeyer Midwest City, USA, OK
    July 15, 2014 7:24 a.m.

    I don't disapprove of Obama's performance in the role of president because Mitt Romney lost. Harry Reid is a member of The Church, after all, but I have no favor for him whatsoever.

    I disapprove of Obama's performance because he's a divisive race-baiting socialist who reaches beyond the law to force his agenda and, when he can't, pouts about how racist and obstructionist Republicans, the "Christian right", and everyone else who doesn't agree with him are.

    I didn't support Romney on the basis of his religion, and I don't hold it against Obama that Romney lost; I hold it against ignorance and fraud.

  • Brother Paul Livermore, CA
    July 15, 2014 6:59 p.m.

    Don't forget: Harry Reid is an active Latter-day Saint(Mormon) AND

    is also a Democrat. The LDS Church members are Not all Republicans.

  • Uncle_Fester Niskayuna, NY
    July 16, 2014 6:31 a.m.

    Well as Holder and Obama keep saying, the only reason people don't like them is because they are racist. Of course this completely discounts the fact that people may not like them for a thousand other reasons not the least of which are the rapacious overreach of federal agencies, the stifling federal regulations and the utter failure to enforce our sovereign borders. Cozying up to and funding the Islamic terrorists of the PA while ignoring our only ally in the Middle East may not help either.

  • IAmForLiberty Mount Sidney, VA
    July 16, 2014 8:02 a.m.

    There is little hope for this country. Sadly 18% of Mormon's approve of Obama.

  • Uncle_Fester Niskayuna, NY
    July 16, 2014 8:15 a.m.

    That's 18% too many.

  • RedWings CLEARFIELD, UT
    July 16, 2014 12:19 p.m.

    Politicians in general at some point have to make a compromise of their integrity to get ahead in the game. What we call a "lie" to them is a "spin". Politicians end up living in a world where word games are important to their survival and future success.

    Not something I agree with, but it is the case. Some get so twisted around that they don't remember what they said.

    We don't have any politicians like Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill anymore. That is the problem with our country. Party and personal career are more important than the country's best interests. Politics is not longer "the art of teh compromise". It is now a career path to money, fame, and perks galore....

  • Uncle Mordecai GREAT FALLS, MT
    July 16, 2014 4:02 p.m.

    Why Mormons reject Obama 1) Latter-Day Saints tend to be more informed / educated. 2) Part of the LDS doctrine teaches fiscal responsibility. 3) Members of the Church are patriotic. When you have Americans at a US embassy in danger, don't say "there's not enough time to get anyone there to help" until they are dead. 4) Faithful Latter-Day Saints believe that freedom and accountability are a fundamental part of our mortal existence. 5) Mormons already have a religion that they practice and do not need the government to provide an additional one.

  • Ariel George Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2014 4:37 p.m.

    @UtahBlueDevil:

    re: "When a majority of Democratic delegates to the Democratic Convention voted to exclude God from their platform, Mormons saw the true objectives of Obama and his acolytes...Obama intervened directly to get the language changed both on Jerusalem and to reinstate God in the platform, according to campaign officials who insisted on anonymity to describe behind-the-scenes party negotiations. They said Obama's reaction to the omission of God from the platform was to wonder why it was removed in the first place."

    I don't know whom you were quoting when you debunked this, but the quote reflects the truth.

    I watched the Democratic National Convention. God was voted out of the Democratic Platform. A re-vote was called for. Two-thirds of the Ayes were required to put God back into the Democratic platform. Less than half were voiced, with the Nays definitely the louder of the two.

    The poor moderator was forced to basically perjure himself by reading Obama's words on the teleprompter that "the Ayes had it by Two-thirds." (Not an exact quote, but that was the gist.) Clearly, this was a political maneuver by Obama. Typical, however.

  • Ariel George Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2014 2:23 a.m.

    Emendation to my post re:@UtahBlueDevil: The second half of your quote cannot be verified. That Obama intervened is certain; beyond that, the statement that Obama intervened specifically "to get the language changed both on Jerusalem"...according to campaign officials who insisted on anonymity to describe behind-the-scenes party negotiations. They said Obama's reaction to the omission of God from the platform was to wonder why it was removed in the first place." Well, this may or may not be true. I only know that he trampled the rights of Parliamentary Procedure of the convention attendees in overriding their vote and forcing, by whatever pressure, the results of the re-vote to conform to his will.

    As I said, two-thirds of the Ayes were required to put God back into the Democratic platform. The Nays overrode the Ayes. Very uncomfortable, the poor moderator was indeed forced to basically perjure himself by reading Obama's words on the teleprompter that "the Ayes had it by Two-thirds" -- a patent untruth. Trampling the rights of the people is Obama's modus operandi.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    July 23, 2014 10:04 a.m.

    It's interesting isn't it? . . . That President Obama is the very MOST POPULAR WORLD LEADER (Look it up) . . . And yet, he is reviled by the majority of Mormons.

    What does that say?

    . . . Mormons are out of touch with the world?

    . . . Or the World doesn't live up (or down) to Mormon standards?