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  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 10, 2014 12:13 a.m.

    Republicans can only win national elections when they can prevent Democrats from voting.

  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    July 10, 2014 6:52 a.m.

    It is fundamentally unAmerican to place these burdens upon the right of the people to vote. Those politicians who in the name of vote integrity find ways to suppress voter turnout ought to be declared enemies of democracy. That is what they are . We have very little voter fraud in the country. The fraud is not that someone might vote who is not a citizen. The fraud emanates from those who would place substantial burdens on unwanted voters.

    Follow the politics and the agenda of those who vote to, and propose a suppression, of voters. That is the enemy of our country and the concept of democracy.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    July 10, 2014 6:57 a.m.

    Great column by Mary Barker!

    Things have unquestionably gotten better, even in the South, but to expect things to be completely healed is naïve. My wife is African American, from the South, and we'll be travelling back to see her mother and siblings later this month.

    I've met some older African Americans who still deeply distrust the government, who keenly remember the Tuskeegee Experiements, who sense the gains of equality may just be a veneer that hides much more powerful and currently quiet racism.

    I've met Americans who witnessed members of their own community lynched. Yes, these folks are very wary of not just getting government ID, but of showing it to anyone outside their immediate social circle.

    If Republicans genuinely believe voting fraud is rampant, they should support a national Voter ID system, like Mexico has done in their efforts to increase voter turnout. If we can shell out $4 Billion to better secure the south border in an emergency situation, we can afford a national voter ID program.

    The invective shown by Republicans reinforces old fears.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    July 10, 2014 6:58 a.m.

    Oh please Mary, take it back to Berkely. There is no voter suppression in asking for the same thing that every cash checking store, car dealer, clinic, library, airport, school, job, bank, police officer, loan officer, car rental agency, furniture rental company, welfare officer, ect. ect. ect. ask for. To ask that a person prove citizenship and eligibility, by proper ID, before using the most important and only means of changing the country is the most patriotic and common sense thing any reasonable citizen can expect. Many elections, even Presidential, have come down to a few votes. Even ONE illegal vote is way too many to allow. Not asking for ID to vote will result in the same thing that Obama has caused by implying that if you get to America you can stay. Look at the results. A mess.

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    July 10, 2014 7:08 a.m.

    So Was the last 2 Presidents elected? or NOT

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    July 10, 2014 7:53 a.m.

    And a big PS. The only real incident of voter suppression that has happened recently was the Black Panthers standing near polls in Philadelphia to intimidate voters. I notice the Justice Department and Eric Holder did not give a darn about that. Yet they make up a false argument that an American citizen should not be asked to show ID for voting, when everything else in America requires one. Obviously the only reason Democrats don't want people to show ID is because they are preparing to use illegals to throw elections. Otherwise they would not have any qualms about ID.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    July 10, 2014 8:11 a.m.

    Excellent article, Mary. Its just too bad happy people who are here are too blind to see the truth.

  • KDave Moab, UT
    July 10, 2014 8:29 a.m.

    Hmm. No mention of the IRS.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    July 10, 2014 9:05 a.m.

    There may have been significant voter fraud in the 2012 election. The media reported that in two counties in Ohio, the total votes cast exceeded the number of eligible voters. In thirty-one counties in Ohio, voter "turnout" exceeded 90%, Obama won 100% of the vote in 21 districts in Cleveland. Obama received 99% of the vote in districts where GOP observers were removed.

    I'm not claiming that fraud only happened on the Democrat side. What I'm claiming is that fraud occurred. For that kind of fraud to occur, there has to be people behind the scenes formulating fraud and instructing others on how to commit fraud. There has to be election officials who allow ineligible voters to vote. It's not just the voter who committed fraud; it's all the people who were involved and candidates who did not demand investigation when their victory was suspect. You can draw your own conclusions, but until things are totally cleaned up, no one can ever be sure who really wins an election.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    July 10, 2014 9:07 a.m.

    A recent news article spoke of an immigrant (did not say if she was legal or not, but since she could not legally vote, I have to assume she was illegal) who used a motor voter initiative to register to vote while she got her driver’s license. She then illegally voted. The purges of voter rolls and voter ID laws are necessary to prevent such incidents of voting fraud.

    You need ID to buy some types of over-the-counter cough medicines; requiring ID to vote is NOT overly burdensome. Driver’s licenses don’t cost any money; to say requiring state ID is burdensome is a blatant lie

    And nowhere does Mary mention the overt racism of the black panthers and similar groups – not that the existence of those thugs excuses the actions of white racist thugs, but we should not forget that they exist.

    Roland,
    Dems win national elections by:
    •lying about the GOP
    •registering illegal aliens to vote
    •voting early and often
    •intimidating white voters in Philly and other similar places

  • Lagomorph Salt Lake City, UT
    July 10, 2014 9:26 a.m.

    Barker: "In striking down part of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, requiring districts with a history of racial discrimination to seek preclearance before changing election rules, Chief Justice John Roberts said, 'our country has changed.'"

    I actually agree with Justice Roberts. Things have changed, but not entirely for the better. As Barker noted, voting rights violations have moved north. I would agree with the SCOTUS ruling striking down federal oversight of voting in the old Confederacy, but only to the extent that northern states are also engaged in voter suppression and also need oversight. Congressional revision of the CRA should extend federal voting oversight to the entire country, not just the South.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 10, 2014 9:42 a.m.

    To lost in D.C.:
    "Roland,
    Dems win national elections by:
    •lying about the GOP
    •registering illegal aliens to vote
    •voting early and often
    •intimidating white voters in Philly and other similar places"

    I've seen no evidence to support your claims. Please provide some. There are fewer than a dozen documented cases of in-person voter fraud in each of the past few national elections.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    July 10, 2014 9:47 a.m.

    The Republicans are clearly desperate to suppress the votes of Democratic voters. They even carelessly admit it (as in Pennsylvania). Absolutely no one is fooled by the Republicans' righteous push to control nonexistent voter fraud--themselves least of all.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    July 10, 2014 10:09 a.m.

    Hearing republicans complain about "voting fraud" is funny considering questionable voting methods and a few interesting phone calls from 41 and his son who was the governor of Florida gave W the White House.

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    July 10, 2014 10:13 a.m.

    happy2bhere:

    Those "Black Panthers" were nothing but one guy in a beret standing around outside a polling place. The only reason anybody knew he was there was because Fox News chose to freak out about it.

    What strikes me about this whole argument how spoiled and self-entitled conservatism has become in this country. Why bother trying to convince Americans of the validity of your message when you can just live in your own echo chamber and make excuses for losing elections instead?

  • micawber Centerville, UT
    July 10, 2014 10:29 a.m.

    @Mike Richards,

    I don't know what "media" reports you are referring to, but Snopes debunks some of the allegations contained in your post. You say in two counties in Ohio, the turnout exceeded the number of eligible voters. Snopes says this is false. The official Voter Turnout statistics for Ohio show Wood County recorded a total turnout of 64,342 voters in a county with 108,014 registered voters. That's about 60% voter turnout. I went to that official site to verify how many Ohio counties exceeded 90%. None of them did.

    You say "Obama won 100% of the vote in 21 districts in Cleveland (According to Snopes, the reported claim was Wood County, not Cuyahoga County). Obama received 99% of the vote in districts where GOP observers were removed." Snopes looked at the precinct-by-precinct breakdown of the official voting results from Wood County. It determined that President Obama received nowhere close to 100% of the votes cast in any of that county's 97 precincts. The highest percentage he achieved in any one precinct was 75.5%

  • Anti Bush-Obama Chihuahua, 00
    July 10, 2014 10:35 a.m.

    Now it's bringing people her illegally and having them vote in exchange for citizenship and welfare. That's all they advertise in Mexico on the TV here is going to the United States and getting free welfare. Nothing at all is said about better opprotunities because there are none.

  • micawber Centerville, UT
    July 10, 2014 10:38 a.m.

    @Mike Richards,
    (continued)

    Also, according to the Edward McClelland, in 16 counties here in Utah, Mitt Romney's percentage of the vote exceeded the 84 percent President Obama received in his hometown of Chicago. Some small voting precincts here showed no votes for President Obama. I think this accurately reflects political beliefs in Utah and is not evidence of voter fraud. And I don't think the people of Ohio are less committed to voter integrity than we are.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    July 10, 2014 12:00 p.m.

    To sign up for insurance on the health exchange, my son was required to show evidence of who he was, drivers license. Are all these posters telling us how the requirement will suppress democrat voters, telling us they support democrat voters not being allowed to purchase of obtain health insurance through the exchanges. Was that not the purpose of the ACA. I love how we hear how the Repubs must hate blacks and minorities, but forget the Repubs were the party of the blacks in the south. The party continually attacked by the Democrat infused KKK. The racists of today and yesterday are no more a par of the repubs today than the KKK is part of Democrats today.

    Saying they are, is just lying to the masses of illiterate voters to get their votes.

  • chilly Salt Lake City, UT
    July 10, 2014 12:12 p.m.

    Mary Barker's article is an unsubtle attempt at beginning to inspire minority voters for the upcoming 2014 and 2016 elections. We'll see hundreds more just like this one, from liberal journalists, attempting to scare voters to the polls. With so many Democrats dispirited (and less likely to even bother to vote) by the pathetic performance of Barack Obama, this will be the strategy to "fire up the base". It's much easier to point fingers at "Republican meanies" than find any accomplishments or substance to get out the vote.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    July 10, 2014 12:11 p.m.

    What do you expect "some" to do,
    when they keep loosing the votes of --

    Blacks,
    Hispanics,
    Women,
    College Students,
    Gays/Lesbians,
    the poor,
    the sick,
    the needy,
    the 47%,

    When you only cater to 1% of the Voters,
    the only thing left to do is --

    make their Corporations "People",
    give them unlimited "Free Speech",
    and
    legalize their political bribery!

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 10, 2014 12:15 p.m.

    Mary's letter about what happened 50-60 years ago (and doesnt happen today) was an attempt to "Gin-up the base"... and evidently it worked. Just look at the comments!

    We no longer have people burning buses or torturing activists (that was 60 years ago)... We DO have uniformed Black Panthers stationed at polling locations to intimidate voters (TODAY).

    Voter registration isn't intended to keep any race from voting. It's intended to prevent voter fraud. People of all races have ID. You must have ID to work. To go to school. To get insurance. To drive. Etc.... Is that "racist"??? Why no ID required to vote???

    ---------

    IF you can blind yourself enough to believe that there's no voter fraud (some can do it)..... google "Voter fraud, we've got proof"...

    New York City’s Department of Investigations had undercover agents show up at 63 polling places last fall and pretend to be voters who should have been turned away by election officials; the agents assumed the names of individuals who had died or moved out of town, or who were sitting in jail. 97 percent of the time they were ALLOWED TO VOTE!

  • chilly Salt Lake City, UT
    July 10, 2014 12:56 p.m.

    2 bits: "Mary's letter about what happened 50-60 years ago..."

    Indeed, she's being more than a little sneaky. Did you catch where she slipped Ben Tillman"s quote into the 60's racial strife?

    "Yet, it’s surprising how recent some of our worst racial offenses were. The people who participated in the Freedom Summers are still alive. Eleanor Holmes Norton, now a congresswoman, was with Medgar Evers shortly before he was shot in the back. Then, only 6 percent of Mississippi blacks were registered to vote, because as Rep. Ben Tillman once boasted, “We have done our level best [to disenfranchise blacks] …"

    Tillman made the statement over a hundred years ago. And, he was a Democrat.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 10, 2014 12:59 p.m.

    @Maverick,

    Please tell us about the "Voter Fraud" our previous AGs were involved in... I think you are confused. Swallow was charged with campaign FINANCE violations... not "Voter Fraud".

    Google "Voter Fraud Definition" and read up on it if you don't know what it means.

    Top definition... "Voter fraud, also known as vote fraud, election fraud, and electoral fraud, refers to the specific offenses of fraudulent voting, impersonation, perjury, voter registration fraud, forgery, counterfeiting, destroying already cast ballots, and a multitude of crimes related to the electoral process".

    Campaign finance violations... are NOT the same as "Voter Fraud".

    "Voter Fraud" is carried out by voters who break election laws (not the candidate). Unless the candidate is actually going around pretending he's other voters and voting for them.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    July 10, 2014 12:59 p.m.

    KJB1

    Sorry KJB1, but I saw pictures of more than just one Black Panther standing at that polling place. And I notice you do not address the argument about voter ID. You just go on a personal attack argument against the messengers. That is the sign that your side has no valid argument against voter ID laws, except to play the race card or discredit people who are in favor of the laws. As for losing elections, don't forget we are still with the 2010 House, and possibly the Senate this Novermber. I wouldn't be to quick to conclude that Republicans can't and won't win future elections. In fact, Obama may bring about a couple of landslides in the next two elections. For Republicans.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    July 10, 2014 1:08 p.m.

    Roland,
    I know, it’s hard to see when you wear blinders and feast on MSNBC and huffintonpost.

    Lie about the GOP
    •harry reid’s comments about Romney’s tax returns
    •you didn’t build that
    •every wword that comes out of BO’s mouth
    •etc, etc.

    register illegals
    •SEIU in NV in 2010 and elsewhere
    •See my first post about the motor voter

    Vote early, vote often
    •Chicago in 1960, giving Illinois to JFK rather than Nixon is widely known to have happened because of dem fraud.
    •See harry reid’s re-election in 2010
    •You can add gore’s attempt to disenfranchise military voters in FL in 2000.

    White voter intimidation
    Black Panthers manning Philly polling places in 2010, and holder would not even investigate, let alone prosecute.

    Deny all you want, turn a willfully blind eye, but thems the facts!

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    July 10, 2014 1:39 p.m.

    "Snopes" is not a news organization. It qualifies as one of the tabloids you see at a supermarket checkout, such as the National Enquirer. No one who is serious about voter fraud reads the National Enquirer to gather facts and no one who is a serious journalist uses Snopes to validate his stories.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    July 10, 2014 1:54 p.m.

    What a pile of bunk this article is! Move into the 21st century, the here and now! Voter suppression is nice little theory, but virtually non existent and certainly no more of an important issue then voter fraud. Besides, who is going to oversee or investigate it? This inept administration? That is like letting the coyote guard the chicken coop. They lie, hide and bury all the necessary information, and their willing accomplices in the press are even more worthless.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 10, 2014 2:24 p.m.

    @Maverick,

    Nobody said "Voter Fraud is the reason the GOP can't win elections". But thanks for throwing that strawman out there. It should be EASY for you guys to attack (since it's baloney to begin with).

    If you have to make up your own strawman in order to have something to say... you must not have much to say about reality.

    How about addressing what they actually said, (that Voter Fraud DOES exists)? Instead of just making up a strawman nobody said, and attacking that instead?

    I don't think voter fraud changes elections. But it IS illegal. So we SHOULD do something about it. Requiring ID to insure voters are who they say they are, is not a bad thing. And it's NOT "racism".

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    July 10, 2014 2:36 p.m.

    @jsf
    " but forget the Repubs were the party of the blacks in the south. The party continually attacked by the Democrat infused KKK. "

    Yes, that was true in the 60s. After that the alignment in the south completely flipped with the exodus of Dixiecrats (white democrats) to the Republican party, and that is why the Republicans get 85% of the white vote in those now deep red states while Democrats get 85% of the minority vote.

  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    July 10, 2014 2:54 p.m.

    So many allegations of voter fraud, so little documentation of it. Did not the Wisconsin Tea Party governor spend enormous sums to ferret out voter fraud, and found maybe a handful of incidents. (Most of these were considered innocent mistakes as well.)

    There is no good reason, other than to make it hard for people to use their right to vote, to make it harder than it already is. I think we should change voting days to Sunday. Or maybe go completely mail in balloting. Mail in balloting works well in the states in which it is in place.

  • micawber Centerville, UT
    July 10, 2014 3:12 p.m.

    @ Mike Richards,

    You still didn't mention which news organizations contained the statements you allege.

    I personally went to the official records to check on your allegation about 90% voter turnout. Your allegation was not borne out by the facts.

    So take shots at Snopes if you like, but it's hard to see how the official records of Ohio are less credible than your unnamed media sources.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    July 10, 2014 3:41 p.m.

    Mike Richards, those stories about Ohio voter fraud have been debunked time and time again by reputable fact checkers.

    Please do some research before regurgitation of far right propaganda.

  • IQ92 hi, UT
    July 10, 2014 3:44 p.m.

    What a stretch.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    July 10, 2014 3:46 p.m.

    @Mike Richards
    South Jordan, Utah
    "Snopes" is not a news organization. It qualifies as one of the tabloids you see at a supermarket checkout, such as the National Enquirer. No one who is serious about voter fraud reads the National Enquirer to gather facts and no one who is a serious journalist uses Snopes to validate his stories.

    1:39 p.m. July 10, 2014

    ==========

    Did you know that,
    FauxNews, Limbaugh, Hannity, Glenn Beck andhis Blaze have even less credibility than that?

    BTW -- TalkShows are NOT, never have been, and never will be - credible Journalistic News outlets.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    July 10, 2014 4:10 p.m.

    Southern Democrats and Republicans switched sides on Civil Rights in the mid-1960's when white racist Southern Democrats, put off by LBJ's signing of key Civil Rights legislation and lured by the Republican Southern Strategy, voted overwhelmingly for Republican Barry Goldwater in the 1964 Presidential elections.

    Republican-led efforts to suppress minority votes have not diminished. As the author points out, the techniques employed have been modified somewhat, but they still exist.

    The Republican Party finds it in its best interests to suppress the minority (especially African American) vote.

    Our Right/Wrong-leaning Supreme Court wreaks havoc upon our Republic with significant decisions undermining our Constitution. Hopefully, a more realistic SCOTUS will undo those anti-American decisions in the not-so-far future.

    A major hurdle to achieving a true Democratic Republic in this nation is the suppression of suffrage for felons, of which minorities comprise a disproportionately large proportion.

    Face it, the Republican Party is in utter fear of Democracy . . . And for good reason.

    Republican power helps only a very small percentage of Americans, and though many Americans have been successfully propagandized into voting Republican, the majority of Americans know better . . . And thus their votes are targeted for suppression.

  • FreedomFighter41 Provo, UT
    July 10, 2014 4:12 p.m.

    Well, that sure was entertaining. Watching the same old commentators drum up accusations of voting fraud to be thoroughly debunked. Do people like mike ever get tired of being proven wrong? Or do they gain some sort of sick satisfaction trolling the board?

    Let's face it, we all know why the GOP is trying to prevent minorities from voting... Minorities don't vote republican. Minorities don't find the pro corporate welfare agenda very appealing.

    It's that simple.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    July 10, 2014 4:32 p.m.

    @Schnee you really need to read before you make accusations. I said "The racists of today and yesterday are no more a part of the repubs today than the KKK is part of Democrats today."

    In actuality the Dixiecrates supporting racial segregation tried to create a third party, when Truman supported desegregation. Most returned to the democrat party

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    July 10, 2014 4:39 p.m.

    Mike Richards said: "Snopes" is not a news organization. It qualifies as one of the tabloids you see at a supermarket checkout, such as the National Enquirer."

    ..and yet it uses references and sources, something the news organizations you follow never do?

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    July 10, 2014 6:54 p.m.

    "Vote suppressors find alternative means to achieve objectives"

    Yes indeedy . . . suppressing the votes of American citizens has become a proud Republican tradition.

  • samhill Salt Lake City, UT
    July 10, 2014 7:06 p.m.

    "Of course, we still harbor ... plenty of overt racism. Given changing national sentiments, however, it has largely gone undercover."
    -------

    Yes, sadly, there remains many cases of overt and very visible racism. Worst of all, many of the most egregious examples are perpetrated by the government itself. In fact, of all the in-your-face examples of racism/sexism/misc. isms/etc., some of the most obvious can be found on job application forms, census forms, government web sites, etc. It's all over the place.

    We even have organizations like the NAACP, the "Black Congressional Caucus", National Organization for Women (NOW), La Raza, etc., etc., etc. The list is long and, from what I can tell from all the racist/sexist oriented courses and classes in the curricula of various institutions of "higher" learning, it's **growing**.

    How wonderful would be the realization of the dream by Dr. King, myself and many others, when we will each be evaluations **individually**, for our **own** character and behavior rather than some long ago outmoded criteria such as arbitrary racial characteristics or gender.

    It's a dream I would love someday to see become a reality.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    July 10, 2014 8:57 p.m.

    Re: "Of course, we still harbor powerful white supremacist groups and plenty of overt racism."

    Yeah, though today's overt racism is most often seen in black-on-white violence [and the accompanying media, political, and police information blackouts], racist low expectations [and accompanying hollow promises of mostly-white, liberal, would-be "saviors"], disingenuous race baiting [again, by mostly white, liberal, would-be "saviors"], and that rigidly-enforced sacrament of rigidly-enforced liberal orthodoxy, white self-hate.

    Racial and ethnic minorities -- particularly our families -- have suffered more damaging depredation at the hands of would-be liberal "saviors" since the '60s, than in the hundreds of years before that. Jim Crow wreaked havoc on individuals, but it took the Great Society and the liberal welfare/nanny state to destroy families.

    The minority family, that refuge from Jim Crow degradation, has been largely destroyed for a whole generation. Its loss can never be made up by guilt-ridden liberals/libertines.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    July 10, 2014 10:04 p.m.

    @lost in DC
    You do know the difference between attacking the person asking the question, restating or expanding on your claims and actually suppling evidence to support your claims right? Care to try again?

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    July 10, 2014 10:22 p.m.

    I have a feeling that those who believe that there is not a lot of voter fraud so there is no need for any kind of voter ID, are also the ones who believe that there was not a "smidgen of corruption" at the IRS and that all those emails really did disappear because of a hard drive crash.

    That is the big difference between conservatives and liberals. If the tea party was guilty of a lot of voter fraud, most conservatives would still support voter ID laws that would prevent that from happening. Liberals tend to ignore laws or regulations and excuse violations when it suits their political ends. "Nothing to see here...move along."

  • SAS Sandy, UT
    July 11, 2014 12:51 a.m.

    @chilly:

    Funny how minority voters are "scared to the polls" while good white folks are just doing their civic duty.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    July 11, 2014 8:43 a.m.

    Answer me this: Why would anyone who believes in our system of government, who loves America, want to prevent our citizens from voting?

    I don't want rationalizations. Why shouldn't we try to find ways for every adult to vote?

    I think the answer to the question gets to the heart of the issue.

  • Stormwalker Cleveland , OH
    July 11, 2014 12:08 p.m.

    @Esquire:

    Because all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    July 11, 2014 1:09 p.m.

    Esquire: "Answer me this: Why would anyone who believes in our system of government, who loves America, want to prevent our citizens from voting?"

    As far as I can tell, no one is trying to prevent CITIZENS from voting ONCE in their voting district. All the efforts to check some form of ID are centered around preventing people who are 1) not citizens; are 2) not a constituent of the person they are voting for; or 3) want to vote several times. These things are all fraud and undermine our voting process.

    The question really is: Why would anyone who believes in our system of government, who loves America, want to allow fraudulent voting to happen?

  • Sequoya Stafford, VA
    July 13, 2014 1:49 p.m.

    " Licenses to carry a concealed weapon were considered valid identification while those issued by universities and Medicare were not."

    That is because the processes of getting some kind of concealed weapon permit are probably more thorough than ID-processes of Medicare or universities. For Medicare, probably all you need is a Social Security Number and something that suggests you are past a certain age -- acquired by fair means or foul. You don't need to be a citizen (necessarily), or in any way qualified to vote. Universities are even more notorious in that they are full of academics who don't believe in borders anyway, and whose principle Principle is "diversity" at all costs.

    For some kind of CFP/CCP, you must answer many questions about your mental health, past criminality, liens, injunctions, etc., through queries against many law enforcement databases. That is why, statistically, concealed permit holders have a better social record than the public at large or even law enforcement officers. If you have a permit, you can be reasonably sure the person is who they say they are, and are qualified to do what they propose to do (i.e., vote in a specific district).