Good work Brad,, I like Hayward but he ain't no Bird, yet.
If the Jazz give him the max contract, they are a hopeless organization...
Problem is, Hayward himself has to know he's not worth that amount of money
and if he were half the leader the Jazz wanted him to be, he would take less. I
know, I know...take what you can and run, but Hayward...for once in your NBA
career, be true to yourself. You know how inadequate your talents are compared
to the money people are talking about and to the real stars of this league.Be a man and do what's right. No one in the real business world makes
that kind of money being a "complimentary employee" Step Up!
Kirilenko was an amazing, multi-skilled player who had problems in the post
finishing on offense and often problems there on defense unless he was sliding
there away from his man and showing some of his freelance artistry. Hayward is a
much better man-on-man defender who can go to the rim successfully at times.
Both have had problems making jump shots. Both have proven to be integral parts
of their teams. You are right that the Jazz won't be adding anyone
significantly better in free agency...I would remove the word significantly to
make your sentence more accurate. I hope Gordon changes his shot somehow...I
don't see his jump shot improving without a change of form.
Let him go.
Why not save the 17 million and find someone else!
First thing is send JL3 on his way. Next bring in Jimmer and give hime a
situational role, such as in close games when they need to make free throws, or
need a three pointer at the end of a game. In addition Jimmer could teach
Gordon a thing or two about shooting a jump shot, and perhaps Gordon could help
Jimmer some with his defense. Just the t-shirt sales alone would cover Jimmers
contract, and just imagine the player Gordon would be if he could hit the three
like Jimmer. Make it happen Jazz.
i like hayward but 17$ million? there has got to be a more complete player for
that kind of money
It's one thing to take the shot...Elite players make the
shot.Until Hayward can do that, the Jazz would be foolish to offer
him elite money.
"His value is spiking"Really?Last time I checked
he only has a qualifying offer from the Jazz which makes his value exactly
that.Leave it to the NBA though...there are always a few incompetent
GMs who when they lose out on the big 3 and Carmelo will hit the panic button
and overpay for any name.With the exception of a few guys, fans
always love the player they don't have. Primarily because they don't
know their flaws. They are shiny and new. The big contract/new name satiates
the fans short term. Then reality sets in...which is why the NBA is littered
with bad contracts for players who dramatically underperform their pay.All that being said new players are after one thing on their first contract
after their rookie deal. MONEY. As much as possible to gain financial
security. Who can really blame them?Gordon will play for any team
who pays him the most. Just like most of you take the best paying jobs you can
find.Winning comes later for most NBA stars.Hayward is
not worth a max contract and I hope he doesn't get one...especially here.
Where did 17 mil come from? I didn't think that other teams could offer
Hayward that much.
If he gets a big offer some where. The Jazz need to let him go. He is not the
All-Star for them. You can't have up and down nights, as often as he has.
You will also have problems re-signing those players who actually do put up the
numbers, if you give him most of the money.
Comparing the Hayward situation to the one with AK47 is not viable...AK made the
all-star team as a PF...The front office gave him the big contract, then they
went and signed Boozer to play AK's position...With Sloans affinity for his
PG/PF offense, AK was out in the cold. All that followed...injuries, etc....had
no effect. The front office gambled on the future, then killed their own
gamble.Only similarity here is the question of whether or not they gamble
on the future again. If they do, I'll bet the farm Lindsey won't let
them shoot themselves in the foot again.
I just worry that if he gets a big unjustified contract--anything over
12/4--that the too-much money will pressure him out and/or mess up team
chemistry. His performance in his contract year has shown that he is vulnerable
to pressure. I think the reason he was so grumpy was that he knew he was choking
his contract year and felt bad about himself. I also wonder what Favors and
Burks are going think if Hayward is way more per year. Teams know the internal
pecking order, who the MVPs are, and Hayward has definitely not show that
it's him. THe guy making the most money usually has to be the best player
or there are problems. Look up Jim McIvane and Shawn Kemp.
Sign and trade...allow him to mope on another floor.
These posts above are being way too hard on Hayward. He is a talented, cerebral
player who had to personally take each team's best shot last year. Having
averaged 16 a game with 5 boards and 5 assists on last year's team was a
small feat in itself. The bottom line is, Hayward is entitled to get paid what
the market will bear. And the Jazz would be absolutely foolish to let Hayward,
one of their own, walk. We can't afford to.
It's kind of funny to come up with a list of things that would make it more
worthwhile for the Jazz to pay Hayward a max contract. Can't you do the
same thing for every other player in the league? Sure you just need to shoot
better, play all 4 quarters, improve your attitude... Maybe when Trey comes up
for his first new contract his list will include to grow another 5 inches.
Look, either a player is worth a max contract or he is not. In my opinion only
a few players are worth it but some of these GM's feel like they have to
overpay someone or they're not doing their job. Keep Hayward if you can,
but don't fall in the dumb trap and pay him a max deal.
You have got to be kidding - 17 million dollars a year? There isn't a man
on the face of the earth who should get paid that much for playing a game!.
This whole thing of paying these professional athletes these obscene salaries
has get to stop. If the fans would wake up and boycott these sports for a few
years until these salaries get chopped down then the cost for tickets and
concessions would drop WAY DOWN too. Maybe then a father could afford to take
his wife and kids to one of the spectacles now and then. If these great athletes
earned two or three hundred thousand a year that would be plenty for what they
do. Think how hard the average guy works for 60 or 80 grand a year. Think of
all the other more important needs that could be met in society if all these
billions of dollars were spent on more important things!
Anybody else see AK-47 parallels here? You blow a max contract because you lose
your head to keep a sorta-good, rarely great player and what happens? Try a loss
of motivation, a loss of desire to play through injuries, and taking a season
off to deal with a significant physical problem. In 2 years after a max deal,
Jazz fans will be whining about the length of the deal and asking why the Jazz
can't just trade AK/Gordo. Dump Jefferson and Lucus and see if you can get
anything for Alex Burks, another wasted high pick.
let's see now those dumb dallas maverick's are involved. pretty clear
Hayward must have missed Brad Rock's birthday. these comments are fun /
once the Jazz start running an offense that creates space (vs 2 down including
one who can't catch) things will get better. good move on Novak. thanks
@There You Go Againwith your logic...that means..Derek Fisher is an
Elite Player...as well as Robert Horry...im not saying Hayward is an elite
player...but limiting your idea of an elite player on hitting game
winners...then Derek Fisher and Robert Horry...should be Hall of Famers...since
they are Elite...they hit big shots...even Michael Jordan admits he missed more
Game Winners than he got in....im not saying Hayward is a 17 Million dollar
man...but your idea of an Elite player is very limited...and a lot of different
players can hit the game winner...All i know is...team's are
blowing up his salary...by stating numbers...the contract isnt there yet...i
hope Hayward knows his value...this is why i hate agents...because they are the
ones that wanted a bigger payout for their guy...i dont even think he is worth
Paul George money....i think he is worth probably 2 - 3 Million shy of Paul
George's contract..and i think Hayward should do the right thing and be
involved with the contract discussions
Hayward is a 3rd best player on a borderline playoff team, *millsap and
jefferson. Should not be given more than 6-7 million a year on a long term deal.
numbers don't lie...A ton of players can average 16,5,5 on a terrible team
like this year.
Hayward has set the precedent, each year he shoots a worse percentage.Jazz logic says that can easily be solved by paying him more money.Jazz are frustrating group who let Randy Foye walk for a second round draft
pick, good guy great shooter. Hayward shoots about the same rate as
CJ Miles who used to work here...when he left we did not seem to miss him.
I so agree with the person commenting about the obscene money that is paid in
sport salaries. Every time I hear those amounts mentioned I think of all the
hungry people that could be fed with that money. I am one of the people to
blame for the salaries because I love the Jazz and would go to every game if I
had the money. I would like to see us keep Hayward but even more than that, I
would like to see Hayward step up and take less money for the sake of the team
and the sake of keeping the players together that everyone laughed at last year.
Keep them together and add a little and I think they will make us very happy
Many comments suggest the Jazz shouldn't sign Gordon to a hefty contract.
I agree he probably isn't worth it, but correct me if I'm wrong,
aren't the Jazz required to hit a minimum salary? From my understanding we
aren't even close to that. So if we don't sign Hayward, who do we
sign? Should be interesting to see what the Jazz have planned.
yep they should not sign Hayward on a bad contract....we could a lot more pieces
with the money or keep it in retaining our young core...
One of the reasons that I could care less about the NBA. Let him go. No person
alive is worth 17 million for anything.
Brad, You make some good points. By the way, the word to describe Hayward
is "complEmentary", not complimentary. Back to school! Novak should give
some much-needed long distance shooting which will open up the inside for
Favors, etal. I love reading your comments, keep up the good work.
I am an eternal optimist, I hope Hayward comes back to the Jazz at a reasonable
cost and does become an all star. I think Dennis Lindsey is working toward this
So let me get this straight. Hayward is a little above average and has to fix
most of his game but the Jazz should pay him the 17 million? Let him walk. The
Jazz are 3 - 4 years away from being in the playoffs and Hood will be better
than Hayward by that point for around 2 million a year. Please Jazz, don't
waste the money on an over-priced, can't shoot player who has slow feet.
Hayward proved last year he can't lead, he can't shoot and he
can't defend. Yes he can pass, but so can others on this team for a lot
The Jazz could have signed CJ for 1/4 of the money.
CJ Miles wasn't worth 1/4 of the money so lets quit beating a dead horse.
Excellent ball player but not worth this kind of money. Remember that AK 47 had
made an all-star team and shown an amazing all around game when he received big
money. Kirilenko also played wonderful d and really, the only reason he
didn't live up to his potential in SLC is that he was oft injured. But even
that was because he threw his brittle body all over the court and hustled like
NO current Jazz player cares to. Gordon has not made an all star team. He has
also shown a tendency to cave under the pressure of being a team leader and one
has to wonder if he will do the same under the pressure of living up to a max
contract. I don't know if Gordon will ever become a max contract player. He
might do--but currently, he is a player who (1.) has never made an all star team
or really ever been a consideration, (2.) may have reached his ceiling and (3.)
who is coming off a year of struggles. Hey, Iove my own kid, but I don't
give her $700.00 a week in allowance. Of course, she can't play d...