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Celtics reach out to Gordon Hayward, but offer to come soon from Jazz

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  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    July 1, 2014 2:39 p.m.

    When the Jazz chose Gordon Hayward a lot of fans booed the decision. Now almost everyone wants him to stay. Nice to see Gordon vindicated.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    July 1, 2014 3:06 p.m.

    Hope the Celtics make him a HUGE offer that the Jazz do not match.

    I'll help him pack.

  • Richie Saint George, UT
    July 1, 2014 3:25 p.m.

    Lindsey, please don't drop the ball, we want Hayward back and you have the money.

  • Idahotransplant West Jordan, UT
    July 1, 2014 3:35 p.m.

    Ok Jazz fans, remember Paul Milsap, Wesley Mathews and A.K..........It sounds like in his heart GH would like to be a Celtic and be back with his old coach. I would not be surprised if larry Bird and the pacers come calling either, although the kid from French Lick spent his entire career with Boston

  • Jazz need a SHOOTER Salt Lake City/USA, UT
    July 1, 2014 3:40 p.m.

    You're grossly mistaken and speaking for yourself. Hayward is not worth the money he's asking, the Jazz can do far better!

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    July 1, 2014 4:08 p.m.

    First of all, love him or hate him, there's no question that Hayward is a talented and versatile player.

    But something else should be kept in mind. Early interest doesn't necessarily equate to serious interest. Just because a team talks to a player doesn't mean they are necessarily willing or ready to make him a meaningful offer. That will come later, if at all.

    I believe the Jazz should try to keep Hayward, but not at any cost. He's a good player. But not nearly good enough to merit an offer anywhere close to a max-level contract. That range is, or should be, reserved exclusively for All-star level players.

    Even then it can still be iffy. AK47 was a one-time All-star. The Jazz subsequently gave him a max-level contract and immediately started regretting until the day it expired. He wasn't tradable, nor is any player when so grossly overpaid. A team then gets stuck with that situation and can only chock it up to an expensive lesson learned.

    The trouble now is, most of the current management wasn't here when that AK47 lesson was learned.

  • sockpuppet Provo, UT
    July 1, 2014 4:26 p.m.

    Why are we so anxious to pay max dollar to a guy who was ARGUABLY the best player on a 25 win team? A guy who shot 41% from the field and an unforgivable 30% from 3pt? Not worth the kind of money in my opinion. I think very highly of the guy, but it just doesn't make sense to keep this guy at this point.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    July 1, 2014 4:37 p.m.

    Haywood is at best a second tier player and there many other second tier players out there. Haywood is a decent off the bench player...the Jazz can do better if the money is too high for him. He can either stay or go, the Jazz will not be better or worse for it.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    July 1, 2014 5:23 p.m.

    Utah seems to forget...that Chandler Parsons is a free agent as well...but i think the reasoning behind management's decision to match any offer is because of the new coach...he did wondes to demarre's game...what more if he tutored Hayward and fix his shot....i dunno...i'd like to keep Hayward on a decent salary...

  • stanfunky Salt Lake City, UT
    July 1, 2014 5:33 p.m.

    Hayward turned down 4 years, $50 million last off season. He won't make more than that per year with anyone but the Jazz.

    Is Hayward a max player to any other team in the NBA but the Jazz?

    See if any team will really offer him $12.5 mil per year.

    Celtics can't pay this up front and the Jazz can match if they choose, making it risky for them to unload assets to other teams to clear the room, only to miss out in the end.

    Hornets and MJ aren't willing to pay that much, with Al Jefferson being the lone exception in recent years (and that was a short contract to boot).

    Phoenix can offer that kind of money AND years, true. But they also have Eric Bledsoe waiting for a payday (their own RFA), and want to avoid setting the market too high for Goran Dragic, who can opt out next year and is due a substantial raise from his current $7.5 million a year.

    The LA Lakers might toss that money but would Hayward really play well with Kobe Bryant? Does he demand the ball and command respect?

    Which brings us back to the Jazz.

  • buryme Mesa, AZ
    July 1, 2014 6:20 p.m.

    I just watched an ESPN special on free agency and Hayward's name never even came up. The last words out of Brian Windhorst's mouth was a word of caution to the GM's in the NBA----after a few in the top tier, this years crop of free agent's is not all that good. He says next year will be better. Lindsey, please do not overpay for Hayward. Reasonable money I am OK with, but anything close to max and I will throw a fit.

  • Utah Valley Guy Springville, UT
    July 1, 2014 6:48 p.m.

    The reason the Jazz will match even a max offer has more to do with team continuity, morale, chemistry and sending a message to the rest of the guys on the team, especially to Favors, about the Jazz's commitment to their young core, than it does with whether Hayward is worth every penny of whatever offer the Jazz match.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    July 1, 2014 7:30 p.m.

    Re: Jazz need a shooter

    Here is the problem: Name one player in the entire world that is better than Hayward that the Jazz actually have a realistic chance at getting at a better price?

    Face it Hayward is going to be overpaid by some team and if it's not the Jazz then we just spent 4 years developing someone else's player, it is back to square one and we might as well trade Favors for future draft picks too.

    One thing that nobody in the media seems to be considering is the fact that the salary cap just went up by almost $5 million dollars per year and is expected to make a similar jump next year. That is about a 16% raise over the next 2 years, which means that if Hayward was worth $10 million last year then he will be worth $11.6 million next year.

  • ed Los Olivos, CA
    July 1, 2014 8:33 p.m.

    re:Veracity
    I think Spencer Haywood has retired.

  • buryme Mesa, AZ
    July 1, 2014 10:04 p.m.

    Tell me what I am missing here? I just watched NBATV as they discussed free agency. Again Hayward's name was never mentioned. They named the best guard available along with 5 best of the rest players. No mention of Hayward. They named the best wing available along with 5 best of the rests. Again, no mention of Hayward. How can this guy get max money if he is not even on the national radar. Don't get me wrong, I would like Hayward back---just don't want to overpay. His agent is already making excuses for his performance last year. Stuff like this was the first time he has been put in such a position and that teams were game planning for him. Duh. Do you not think that teams game plan for LeBron and Durant? Truth is Hayward is simply not an Alpha Dog.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    July 1, 2014 10:10 p.m.

    @buryme

    funny thing...i watched nba tv a few nights ago...david aldridge mentioned Gordon Hayward as possible pickups for LA and several other teams like Phoenix and Boston....

  • buryme Mesa, AZ
    July 1, 2014 10:29 p.m.

    Kakashi

    David Aldridge was on the program that I watched tonight. The list of the best possibles was created by Bryan Colangelo. I know that is just one persons opinion but to not even make the list is noteworthy. I know there are numerous teams interested in Hayward. The Jazz should be also. Just don't overpay!

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    July 2, 2014 12:29 a.m.

    Ed...that was funny.
    Byronbca...what, are you Haywood's, alright Hayward's agent? I want you for my agent...even though I am 70 years old and three hundred pounds I think you could get a max contract in the NBA using your logic.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    July 2, 2014 12:46 a.m.

    I really liked John Stockton's approach to resigning when his contract. He would sit down with Larry Miller and come up with a reasonable agreement and shake hands on it. None of this stupid stuff by an agent trying to earn himself a big pay check by playing these games. Either Gordon wants to be a Jazz player, or he doesn't. If he does, then stop the disruptive and silly games that suggest a lack of loyalty. As for the Jazz, not paying max dollars doesn't mean that they aren't loyal, not not stupid!

  • fortydam OREM, UT
    July 2, 2014 6:05 a.m.

    I think he ends up in Boston. One way or another, he plays for his old coach.

  • goforit Provo, UT
    July 2, 2014 8:00 a.m.

    Numerous articles talk of free agency and which teams will be players with cap space. Never are the Jazz mentioned. Heyward is mentioned in some as a player teams are interested in. One listed him as the 23 best free agent available. Nationally the Jazz are simply not on the radar. No one nationally really cares much about the Jazz. They will never be a title contender again while in Utah. When they move in a few years then they might become relevant again.

  • gehelmke Bastrop, TX
    July 2, 2014 9:21 a.m.

    How sad! This kid plays his heart out....playing out of position.....playing for the worst NBA coach ever....double and triple teamed, because he's the focus of opponent's defenses, because he's the best the Jazz had on the floor.....Yet he still leads the team in scoring, steals, and virtually tied for the lead in assists....Yet that's not good enough for so many people.

    This kid is good, and those of you who can't see that need to review Basketball 101....He plays defense.....He blocks shots.....He steals the ball....He rebounds....He passes well...He moves well without the ball.

    And a note on AK-47...I believe he made the All-Star team as a power forward, then the Jazz front office signed Boozer, which moved AK-47 out of position and gave all those touches to Boozer....Sloan's offense was primarily between the PG and the PF....Was it AK-47's fault they did that to him??

  • Man in Charge Chihuahua, 00
    July 2, 2014 10:18 a.m.

    fortydam

    Boston has no cap room after they signed Avery Bradley.

  • Pearl.94 Riverton, UT
    July 2, 2014 11:18 a.m.

    Hayward is not an alpha dog. He does not play with a visible competitive edge. If he combined his athleticism and skill with a hardened, tough guy, competitive flare he would become an all-star. Right now he slumps his shoulders and SEEMS to have a defeatist and lazy attitude about his game and career.

    Do any of you think that this morning at 6:00 a.m. Gordon was in the weight room working his guts out? Was he running wind sprints with visions of beating up on his fiercest competitors? He needs to be smoldering beneath a big chip on his shoulder, and loving every minute of it. I just don't see it. I'm sure he has put in an enormous amount of work to become the player he is but something in his psyche has to change in order for him to move up to the next level. I wanna see confidence, moxie, and tough guy leadership.

  • GoodGuyGary Houston, TX
    July 2, 2014 12:34 p.m.

    Max deal for Haywood? Who in the world would do that?

  • Americanvet Ivins, UT
    July 2, 2014 1:24 p.m.

    Well Cleveland just offered Hayward a max deal. It's $63 million over 4 years starting at $14.8 and going up from there. Now those who said the Jazz should match any offers, were you expecting they would have to match this? We will have to do some max deals in the next few years to compete but I still don't think we should do if for Hayward. I know I've pounded the table on this before but I like Burks better and think with better coaching that kid will be an all-star caliber player.

  • BiggerUtefan Bountiful, UT
    July 2, 2014 3:51 p.m.

    Big guys who aren't good defenders, not physical and don't like to mix it up in the paint aren't that valuable. They're nice pieces to have but you don't need to commit a significant amount of money to them. The Jazz would be smart to let him go and let somebody else make that mistake. Hayward isn't the type of player you build a team around, he's a nice add-on.

  • ed Los Olivos, CA
    July 2, 2014 7:14 p.m.

    re: gehelmke
    I agree with you on all of this. In addition, he had to play with a rookie point guard who did not get the ball to him in the right places or soon enough. Trey was mostly looking for his own shot while Haywood was his bail-out option, after Trey had nowhere else to go with the ball. Not as bad as the treatent AK received from D-Will but a problem, nonetheless. Jazz bigs, including Boozer, have suffered since Stockton's departure because of poor point guard defense. Pretty hard for anyone to play team defense, when opposing point guards get into the paint, at will.