Sour grapes at this point, but it' s too bad there wasn't such a
vigorous defense of individual liberty. Religion is entirely fabricated. Why
should a corporation hold it's views of this fakery to a greater extent
than someone who it employs?
The Hobby Lobby travesty had nothing to do with religious liberty, especially
for the people on whom Hobby Lobby's owners were able to impose their
so-called "religious" beliefs and practices. It's sad that they
were able to do so, and even more sad that they were able to construe this is in
way as "religious liberty" when in fact it is religious tyranny by those
owners. Truly sad.
This is a victory for the religious right. But it is really a very narrow one.
It really makes no real impact in the Affordable Care Act or most healthcare
plans, or even really the health coverage for most types of birth control pills.
Yes it does set precedent for possible future cases. But I wonder if the
national reaction would be different if this was a different religion than
Christianity? If Hobby Lobby gets bought out by an Muslim and that new owner
starts to base some policy of the company on Islamic teachings or Sharia law
would people react the same way? Or would they call the owner a terrorist? How
about a company with Orthodox Jewish owner that wants to change his private
company towards his religion?I just think it would be interesting if
the national discussion would change. So congrats Religious Right
you got a victory, enjoy it while it lasts. We will get you next year when Same
Sex Marriage comes before SCOTUS and we will see how you are doing then.
My question is this: If Hobby Lobby is so against abortion or birth control that
it feels acts as abortion.... then why does it #1 get most of it's
inventory from China where state mandated abortion is a norm and #2 have
monetary holdings in all the companies that produce these specific birth
controls? This is NOT about Religion, it is about power over women and money. If
it was truly about Religion, they would do neither.
This so-called "testing" of the limits of religious liberty would not be
necessary at all but for governments enacting laws and regulations which
unconstitutionally infringe upon those liberties to begin with. The First
Amendment has been slowly eroded over time to the point where truly free speech
is not permitted and not just in areas like public safety. Religious liberties
are also under attack and government acts to infringe upon freedoms of
expression in things as silly as professional sports team names, it is a sorry
thing to witness. People these days really need to go read Mill's, On
Liberty, and then realize that there is no right not to be offended.
Power over women? I take a look back at the last 40 years of American society
and some of the changes that have occurred, some good and some leave me
wondering. If an employer could say to their employees "I can provide up to
5 insurance perks in a basic health insurance package.....and after we hear from
every employee we will take the top 5 choices"...would those people who
didn't get one of their 5 in be okay with it? I mean at a certain point we
have to realize that we cannot protect ourselves from every little situation
that comes up, from a financial standpoint as well as a practical standpoint.
Sometimes stuff happens to all of us. Just once I want to hear someone just say
"I don't want help on this. I won't take help on this. I'm
good". No pity pity me. No "you owe me this". No. Just "I will
pay for this". Or am I a dinosaur?
Hooray! Hobby Lobby still offers many forms of birth control to its employees
as it always has and has no problem doing. They are simply not forced to fund
the murder of unborn children and the demise of fertilized eggs. I woukd not
call this "control of women". This is not the "fabrication" of
religion. This is a basic respect for human life.
Hobby Lobby's employees are still free to obtain an abortion or to use the
RU86 pill, just as they were before. This has not changed. Their access to
these procedures and methods was never denied. So what has changed? Hobby
Lobby (an entity made of of actual human beings) is no longer forced by law to
pay for this. Who do you think was having their freedoms denied here?
I'm so happy that SCOTUS ruled to restore freedom.
Hoo by Lobby's minimum wage for full-time employees is $14 an hour- almost
twice the federal minimum. Employees are free to spend their earnings as they
wish. Do the math.
I switched to Hobby Lobby when I noticed a sign in their window that they do not
open on Sunday, so employees can be with their families, and when I went inside,
The Ten Commandments and The Constitution of The United States of America were
framed and on display. I bought both!
I have a problem with religious businesses. Like the Chick-Fil-A folks who got
active in politics then found that they had to recant - the impact on their
Anti-Gay stance was quickly felt in lost sales.I like to think in
scenarios:1) Mildred is told by her Doctor that she has a 90% of
dying unless she aborts her baby. Tough decision. Should Hobby Lobby or the
government have the right to make that decision for her?2)
18-year-old Julie takes birth control pills to control her extremely painful
menses. Does anyone have the right to prevent that? How about 16-year-old
Kimberly?3) If Hobby Lobby's health plan in California covers
birth control and abortion, does Hobby Lobby use religion as an excuse to NOT
provide health care benefits in California? Does Utah allow
contraceptives in stores? Do Utah Mormons not practice planned parenthood? We
sure do in California.
I think that this poster had it right: Bill Hatley: "Hobby lobby
did not encroach upon anyone's right to chose abortion. They merely
resisted be forced into participating in that choice."
@BlueHusky: Hobby Lobby's employees were never at risk for NOT being able
to obtain either abortions OR any kind of available birth control. Hobby Lobby
simply did not want to have to PAY for it. When did employees start to be able
to force employers to PAY for healthcare? It seems patently wrong… as
most of Obamacare is. It will sink us in more ways than one.
One day soon our constitutional law over government will be honored. Our
blindness to violating each other's rights ended. You can't take
life without due process/medical necessity: Life begins at the beginning,
Bribery in any form cannot stand, Doctors with script powers are our masters not
equal citizens. All of these Bad Behaviors Will Be Seen As Bad Behaviors.
Now we are deceived/blinded to reality because of survival reasons. Survival reasoning/logic is what drives all life forms. We just
didn't know Satan/instinct had control over our thoughts and choices. Something had to be the brains operating our existence. It sure isn't our
conscious minds. The gift from God of how Satan accomplishes his task is
here on earth. IBM Watson computer will prove, using science based logic,
what our minds would never share.Instinct mechanism is and must be:
Independent Artificial Intelligence Programs that protects status quo
operations. It does not make moral judgments, so we could have choices. For us
to evolve, we must embrace this gift from the creator of Satan/instinct. Do we want to be blinded to true reality forever?. No, repent and sin no
Hutterite:You believe that religion is entirely fabricated. You
have no proof of this statement, so please be honest about it.
Hutterite Unapologetic and myopic hatred of all religion is precisely why
the First Amendment and Religious Freedom Restoration Act are necessary.
Furry1993 If you think it is acceptable to force a person or
organization to pay for your free stuff, when it violates their belief system
and you can do it yourself - then you are the perpetrator, not the victim.
Passive/aggression is incredibly repellant as an ideological foundation. How
can there be a "war on women" if the HHS mandate does not include any
provision for male reproduction or contraception? How can female supremacists
really believe that women are strong and competent when they mindlessly coo in
supplication over Harry Reid's faux chivalry that demands that we be nice
to ladies and give them free things (at other peoples expense) because they are
just a bunch of Julias too frail to take care of themselves? Most women want
empowerment, not patronization.Ultimately the "war on Women"
meme is sort of like the "questioning Obama makes you racist" meme: It
is really about the far left trying to divert attention away from its own
blatant incompetence and intolerance
We really need to be careful about pressing the limits of religious rights.
We're seeing an invasion of people arguing that Gods law supersedes
man's law. They are creating problems all over Europe and the middle east.
These people, called radical muslims, are coming, and we need to defend against
sectarian attempts to assert control over our nation.The
Constitution protects the rights of individuals to select and practice a
religion, but it also defends us against a religion being forced upon us.Freedom FROM religion is as important as freedom OF religion.We're seeing the advent of a new dark age descending on the Middle East.
We need to keep it out of the US, and the Constitution cannot be abridged in
this vital area.