In my opinion comparing Paul George and Hayward is apples and oranges. I can see
George getting paid that much because he performed. Hayward is a good guy and
should get paid similar to Favors, but not a max deal. I also hope they
don't overpay Marvin Williams. He was better last year and I'm ok with
resigning him but I hope they can come under the 7.5 million he made last year.
I really don't think there will be a lot of competition for his services so
we shouldn't have to break the bank. Other than that I'm surprised
Lindsey saying we won't be big in the free agent market. I thought with all
the cap space we would be pursuing free agents aggressively. There must be
something else going on.
Paying a max contract to Hayward will guarantee mediocrity for years to come.
We will be no better off than we were with Milsap and Jefferson. Maybe less so.
@AmericanvetI'm just as surprised as you are. I also thought we
were planning on throwing some major cash and bring in above average experienced
players. You're right though something else is going on. We have good
managers who know what they're doing. patience I guess is key, much like
years past. as far as marvin williams goes I hope the organization
is smart about paying him what he deserves and not what he wants. I like
williams a lot but the last thing we need is another ak47 disaster where we
overpay a guy who doesn't live up to what he's being paid.
So Paul George got $80-90 million over 5 years, and that should be
Hayward's baseline since he was picked right after George?By
that logic he should get a little less than Al Fariq Aminu, taken 1 pick before
Hayward in the draft, who signed a contract for $3,749,602 per year.
I like Hayward, but based on the last few seasons he has proved he cannot be the
guy down the stretch, as least not yet. Max money should get you a go to guy.
I'm glad the jazz are resigning Williams. He was terrible his first year
but did a great job as he was healthy last season, my take anyways.
Our shooting sucked! Get some serious shooters on the roster.
American vet, Maybe another year of tanking? I hope not.
With few big names in free agency, I think the management are trying to be
conservative this summer. With the likes of the Big 3, Anthony, Dirk, Pierce...
almost 100% they will not gonna sign in Utah. My guess is they are saving the
money so they can shop next summer which it is more realistic than this summer.
I like Monroe though, I know he is restricted but I hope they try to make some
George's situation is different, but he did prove himself often. Once
Hayward shoots more consistently, fans will again appreciate him for his amazing
all-around talents. Snyder wants an up-tempo offense with strong defense, and
Hayward is a great fit for that scheme. I agree with Americanvet, though, that
he should be paid no more than Derrick Favors and Williams is important but
shouldn't be overpaid. Gordon, if I was a GM, I'd still take you over
George. Good luck this coming season.
I agree.....Paul George is in a different league than Gordon Hayward. George is
much more of a clutch player as well. Apples and oranges. Being a Jazz fan,
I've wanted to see Hayward succeed, he's had moderate success, but
he's not a focal point of an offense and he shouldn't be paid like
one. You can't blame Ty Corbin for his lack of shooting success (he was 3
for 21 in his last 5 games at the 3 pt. line 30% overall). He's just not a
good shooter. I understand its difficult to get free agents here. So, we need to
keep our own players. I get that. But, I don't agree with overpaying
players in hopes that they'll turn into something that they're not.
Signing Hayward to a long-term contract close to Favors or above will be
regrettable in my opinion.
I hope this is a smoke-screen play. Profess to match anything, forcing another
interested party in offering as large a pitch as possible, and let them have
him.I hate what Portland did to us regarding Millsap and Matthews.
Strong arming us the one year into over-paying for Milsapp, and regurgitating
the process with Matthews. If we bluff a little and play some good poker with
the chips and cards we've got it makes it more difficult for a team to play
us. Make no mistake Portland played us! Don't let Phoenix do the same!Max money should be reserved for Kobe, LBJ, Durant... but definitely not
a guy who has shooting percentages dipping every year, limited athletecism
(although he is better than most believe him to be), and lacks the ferocity to
be a basketball assassin. Dude is just not elite. How do you give a guy that
much money for the results he's produced!
To be honest...Paul George was overpaid...if you take a look at last year's
playoffs...he wasnt as consistent as a big money guy should be...Paul George to
me...in my opinion...is an athletic Joe Johnson...i also would not compare
Hayward to George...as they simply have different game styles...Hayward is very
unselfish and would dish out if he knows that's the better shot to
take...but last year he was forced to a role more suitable for a guy like Paul
George who likes to score...i just hope they won't overpay...and i hope
Hayward realize that a team is willing to make him a part of its future...so i
hope he sticks around for a price that is suitable for what he has accomplished
these past few years...because honestly...the guy is a player...he knows how to
play the game...and he does a lot of things...every team needs a guy like
Let Hayward go. He is absolutely terrible.
Hayward seems to have taken shooting lessons from CJ Miles, maybe he should
split his paycheck with CJ.In the recent draft the Jazz were
threatening to trade Favors and that was because the Cavs did not want Hayward.
To pay him more than Favors is going backwards.If the Jazz
don't bring in better players you may as well just double every players
salary on the current team. Better spent than paying Biedrens to sit the bench.
The Jazz had bad timing with this. They signed Al Jefferson with the traded
player exemption from trading Carlos Boozer to Chicago. The following February,
Deron Williams was traded to the Nets for Favors and the following year's
#1 pick, which turned out to be Kanter. For the next two seasons they
couldn't move either Jefferson or Millsap because the other teams expected
them to and were offering crap for the players. Same happened when
they gave AK the max deal. The next season they signed Boozer and Okur and they
were financially stuck for the next four seasons.
@Doug10No, the reason they didn't talk about Hayward in the trade is
because he wasn't tradeable. Once the finals have ended your contract rolls
to the next year, meaning Hayward is a free agent, and not able to be traded
until a new contract is signed.
After reading the comments here, it appears that some folks don't realize
that Hayward, while playing out of position, was the focal point of every
opponent's defense the entire season. He was double and triple teamed all
season long....yet he led the team in scoring, virtually tied for the lead in
assists, and led the team in steals...It's no accident that he was
the Jazz player selected to try-out for Team USA. The guy is a basketball player
through and through.The irony in all this is that where Utah fans
don't think much of Hayward's talents, the rest of the league does.
Brace yourselves, folks. He's going to make a bunch of money somewhere.
It would appear that Hayward has reached his maximum value and development. Now
would be the time to use a "sign and trade" scenario. It is obvious
that he wants to move to the Celtics to be with his old college coach.
Look, I like Hayward, but he is the 3rd or 4th best player on a good team. That
does not equal max money. If Phoenix really wants to pay him that, let them.
He had the chance to be the guy last year and showed he couldn't cut it.
Reserve that money for Chandler Parsons or Greg Monroe. With 30 million in cap
space, you could get both. Hayward is worth 8-10 million per year IMO.
It would be a major mistake for the Jazz to take Gordon Hayward and offer a
counter with a max offer or offer a max contract on him. One he had his chance
last year to stand out and make a difference. however he didn't and that is
something we need to take into consideration. Two we have a good core but we
need some consistency on our lineup and Hayward didn't provide that. if
this was Favors i would max out the contract and counter anything! I am sure
that Hayward will go to Boston and play for his old college coach and if he does
good luck to him great player just not something we need right now.
gehelmke,"The irony in all this is that where Utah fans don't
think much of Hayward's talents, the rest of the league does." Not true
at all. Some love Hayward, some don't. Stan Van Gundy has said more than
once that Hayward is an average player. He does a lot of things well but nothing
great. He stated he would not pay him more than 6 to 7 million a year. Also,
just because other people in the league may value him more than the average fan
here says nothing. Have you seen how many bad contracts are currently in this
league? This league is notorious for overpaying players and bad contracts that
destroys franchises. The truth is Hayward is a nice player. If we pay him
serious money though, that will set the franchise back for years financially
just as it did with the Ostertag and Kirilenko huge contracts. We'll just
be waiting for it to finally end.
Hayward is a good player but not worth $83.5 million over 5 years.
Let him go.
I don't see how he's worth a max deal. He was awful last year except
for about 7 games.
NBA.com has Hayward as the 22nd best player available in FA. Yet the Jazz are
willing to offer Max money to him? I am higher on Hood being better than
Hayward in 3 years. Comparing him to George is crazy. Hayward hasn't been
consistent enough to have comparisions to any All-Star players. Hayward's
stats are padded because he plays on a very bad team. But him with a playoff
team like Clippers, Warriors, etc and he doesn't do much for them. Let
Phoenix have him. Jazz need another veteran big man? Didn't they have two
they let go in Millsap and Jefferson? This organization has no plan other than
to make fools out of the fans. With all the salary cap space, why would you not
try to sign a big name?
It appears that many of those people commenting here didn't read the
article very well. It clearly stated that Lindsey is going to try to sell the
attributes of playing in Utah to the big-name free-agent players who will
listen. He indicated he doesn't think there will be a lot of success trying
to recruit those all-star type players. Nevertheless, they are going to try,
since they have some serious money available. Then if that
doesn't work, go down a notch in the market to try to land some very good
players who are just short of being all-stars, which is a bigger group to offer
to. Smart plan. Start at the top while you still have the money to
perhaps get some serious attention, then work down if that doesn't succeed.
A fan couldn't ask for more than that. In fact, that's exactly what I
would do in Dennis Lindsey's situation. You never know. Perhaps the Jazz
will get lucky and find a bigger name who likes our new coach and the direction
the Jazz are going with their young team which is full of potential.
Gotta love the comments section, where even clueless amateur hobbists are given
a chance to make fools of themselves by criticizing the moves made by an
organization spending millions of dollars on salaries for brilliant basketball
minds working full-time to assemble the resources and compete with other
organizations spending even more, without facing the same small market
constraints.With that in mind, people, please consider the
importance of team chemistry, goodwill, nurturing players egos, and keeping a
young team's core together while adding pieces. If you want to know how to
win a championship, look at San Antonio. You have a find winners who are willing
to stay together, and reward them for doing so. That's what the Jazz are
doing. You could argue that they overpaid Malone - but it took over a decade of
keeping Karl happy before you got a Finals team out of the deal. Paying Hayward
what other teams are willing to pay him, when his value to us is even higher
than it is to them, is just smart general management. I'm just glad we have
the right to match and the resources to do it.
The question is, "Does Hayward want to stay in Utah?" Since the Jazz
have said, "Let the market determine his salary" and Hayward gets an
offer from someone else then he wants to stay in Utah. If he wants to leave he
will take the qualifying offer. Jazz will match. They know the player he is and
now Jazz have a Coach.No no no to William and Lucas.What
happened to the point guard from Brazil?In the meantime we have the
James circus going on.
It is apparent that Jazz fans don't know what they are talking about... In
Hayward going to be a top 5 or 10 guy in the league, maybe not. But I want a
guy as well rounded and versatile as he is. Long, athletic, can score, can
dish, can play D on some of the best scorers. Also, it seems again, Jazz fans
don't understand things. He will be paid a little more than he should now
because in a year or two, the NBA's new TV deal will kick in and each team
can then spend more, making his contract more in line with where it should be.
But apparently Jazz fans who think he is soooo bad know better than Jazz,
Celtic, Sun, and Bobcat scouts/management. I will go with Lindsey on this one
over all you fair weather fans that love to complain about everything. Please
bring him back as he is a big part of the future of this team.
@bluedoo 13 & Utah valley guy:Here is a question for you both;
is Hayward a max contract player? Hardly anyone here is saying Hayward is a bad
player, in fact we mostly agree he is a good solid player. He was the focus of
our opponents defenses last year, I could agree to that but he missed wide open
shots all year and turned the ball over at critical times in games over and
over. You did watch the games, right? I want to see Hayward stay with the Jazz
but not at all costs. I feel like Lindsey promoting that the Jazz will match all
significant offers is giving teams free reign to make the big offer knowing the
Jazz will match just to force the team to use up more of the cap space we have
and then be less able to compete with those same teams in biding on other free
agents. I'm just hoping what ever we do it works for the best.
People around here failed to realize that Hayward was not used effectively last
year...he was forced into plays where in he has to create not only for himself
but for others...he was also forced to shoot the ball numerous times...the most
effective way to use Hayward...is off screens in catch and shoot scenarios...the
team forced him to play point forward...this is one of the main reasons his
scoring efficiency dipped...we already have trey burke...the team could still
make Hayward the number 1 option last year..but they needed to design plays
suitable for his skillset...he would have probably been a 20+ points per game
scorer if not playing point forward...but the question still remains...is he a
max contract guy? No...i'm pretty sure...Hayward would be paid at around
10M a year...for 5-6 years...i am not sure if we have enough Money to keep
Kanter, Burks, Burke, Exum and Hood for the years to come....so the Jazz better
think of their financial future...so that we arent tied up financially for the
years to come
Quote: "[T]he team plans to keep veteran playmaker John Lucas III. The
31-year-old playmaker has a nonguaranteed deal through the 2014-15 season, but
Utah likes his professionalism and leadership attributes that can continue to
help young points Burke and Exum."What kind of nonsensical
babble is that? Although I believe JL3 is a nice person, he is an awful
basketball player--overmatched and out-of-his-league in the NBA. JL3 is not a
"playmaker." Rather, he is just the opposite--clearly not a
"non-playmaker." What "professionalism and leadership" did JL3
exhibit last year? It appeared he played last year only to help the Jazz
"tank" and get a good draft pick. The only way JL3 might help Burke and
Exum is if they hold him up as a "bad example," and think,
"don't ever, ever, ever play like him!" Having JL3 on the Jazz
reminds me of high school, where the coach's son was on the team and got to
play a lot, not because he was good . . . but solely because he was the
I just read that Detroit is not exercising its team option on Chauncey Billips
for next season. Which veteran "playmaker" has the better
"professionalism and leadership attributes" that could help young point
guards Burke and Exum--JL3 or Billips?Why is the Jazz wasting a $1.6
mil. contract and roster spot on JL3? It certainly is not because he is good,
or can teach any of his teammates anything. I guess he could teach Burke and
Exum how to be a team leader in the Chinese league, or how to be a bench player
in the D-League.I am really, really, really, really disappointed by
the news that JL3's non-guaranteed contract will not be declined by the
Jazz. I guess we can also look forward to having Malcolm Thomas and Erik Murphy
on the team, instead of someone the Jazz could have selected with its #35 pick.
I guess the Jazz doesn't feel the same need to develop the D-League level
players on the team, as it would the #35 pick (if it kept the pick).
Wow, how quickly Jazz nation has turned on what could be the face of the
franchise. @JBQ, how can you say that he has reached max development when he is
only 24 years old? Last year he was in a new role on a bad team with a bad
coach and a bad system. Through it he has been a complete model professional.
Why I agree that his stats don't warrant a max deal, it would be foolish to
let him get away without a fight. How much will the Jazz be kicking themselves
when he turns into a star somewhere else, because he has that potential.
I'm not complaining about him coming back, I just don't belief he is
worth a max contract. Players tend to help their teams win a little more before
they get max deals.
People complain about Heyward making alot but dont seem to make any mention of
the overpaid ex Golden State bums that came here last year like Richard
Jefferson, Rush and Biedrins who basically contributed nothing to this team and
all the Jazz got was some crappy 1st round draft pick for taking Golden