I applaud what the Obama administration is trying to do. Whether it is the
"students" at fault or the college at fault, it doesn't make any
sense to just give money to students (and via them to colleges) if they
don't get jobs later. Spending four or more years of your life pursuing a
degree that won't lead to a job is a huge waste of time and personal
resources, not to mention gov't resources. Also even with the gov't
aid, many of these students end up in debt too! Sensible cost-cutting is a
great idea and I wish more law makers would try it. Having said
that, this article brings up an excellent point. The Obama administration has
been admonished strongly by the supreme court this week for going it alone and
is being sued by John Boehner (falsely or justly is yet to be decided) for what
he sees as egregious overreaches of powe, including legislative overreaches, by
the president and his aides.
Most for profit colleges are scams. They leave their graduates with a large debt
and no prospects of a decent job. They prey on people who think that just going
to any college is the key to success in life. I'm glad the administration
is trying to curb this abuse.
"Lead, follow, or get out of the way"At least Obama
can't be accused of being a "do nothing" President. If this puts
pressure on Congress to overcome their political paralysis, great. Hey Congress
- do *something* on Immigration! Debate it. Bring a bill up. Anything.Congress increasingly does not represent the people, as is obvious
because more votes for House representatives were cast for Democratic
candidates, but via gerrymandering, this results in a more lopsided GOP majority
(which itself is becoming more extreme and non-representative). I'm pretty sure the Founding Fathers would not support a highly rigged
electoral system, especially in the single part of government where they
believed in direct elections... the House.
You would not write this if you knew first hand the devistation that the for
profit college industry has caused in the lives of their intended victims. It
is not good that America willingly allows the lives of its people to be
destroyed for the sake of "profit". It is true that our entire
educational system needs to be overhauled, but in any overhaul you always start
with the most problemmatic issue, and that would be the for profit colleges.
How much more devistation must the intended, targeted group they
serve endure? The buck does stop with the President, and he is seeking to do
something. THis needs to play out so lives can literrally be saved. What is
happening to the students that attend these schools will affect them and their
families for generations to come. It must stop now. If the owners of these
companies really wanted to do right, as they say they do, it would not have gone
this far. They would have cleaned it up themselves. They were given the
opportunity to do that, but would not do it because the money comes to easy, and
the victims are so many. ENOUGHIZENOUF!!
Whoever does it, for profit colleges have to be reined in. They are unfortunate
proof that a few markets work poorly and to the detriment of the consumer
This opinion is one of the poorest reasoned arguments around. The shenanigans
of the "for profit" university business are well documented. I
appreciate the efforts of the President to find a way to protect people from the
misdeeds of the business.My question to the DN is, why has not the
Congress done anything about this wide spread problem? Is it the money
involved, and lobbying interests? Does it serve the House Tea Party/Republican
interests to solve the problem? The Senate is also at fault. Why?You really ought to look into that rather than throw brickbats at the
"Obama's recently announced plan ... lacks one important component -
input from a public process…. That has become all-too-common for the Obama
administration, which prefers to impose executive orders rather than to submit
to the often-messy process of vetting ideas through a representative government.
And yet that messy process is the one the Founding Fathers established."Kings rule, they don't ask for permission from the peasants. The Founding Fathers are surely ashamed of us. They sacrificed so much,
even their very lives, to make available the freedoms that this country has
enjoyed for so many generations. And we have surrendered many of those freedoms
with hardly a thought for what we were giving up. We have traded lives of
individual freedom and personal responsibility for hoped-for, promised and
never-to-be delivered security. The problem with the path we are on
as a country is there is no easy way to change the direction or reverse course.
Freedom is much easier lost than regained.
DNews, you must be kidding. These for-profit "colleges" are not colleges
at all. They are diploma mills that provide the very least possible service for
maximum return. The amount of money they charge for the shoddy product they
deliver is absolutely scandalous, as anyone knows who has been associated with
The Government doesn't like ANYTHING they can't control.
I am curious what the "input" from Congress would be? Probably an
effort to deregulate the wild west of for-profit colleges further from the
House, followed by it being blocked in the Senate. Sounds great, Deseret News!
Think it through. Right now, the choice is executive action or no action.
When I was in college, my mother asked ma how my music degree would help me get
a job? Reluctantly, I agreed, so I changed my major to elementary education.
I've never regretted it. I was able to pay back my student loans quite
easily, although a being teacher is paid in peanuts.
Clarissa,Your mother did you a big favor by asking you what JOB your art
degree was preparing you for.Some people say you should never ask a
student that question. I don't see what the harm there could be in asking
the question.I've heard that today most students don't end
up getting a job in the area they study in college. I think that's sad.
Seems like settling for a job, instead of getting the job you wanted and worked
for (to me).But I know art degrees (and other degrees that
don't seem to increase your job potential) CAN work out in the end.Now... if we could only get over whining about what teachers get paid
(surely you knew what they get paid when you started your education degree).
If not... your Mom should have asked you how much a teacher makes, and done you
another favor. I agree it's not what it SHOULD be, but how do we fix that?
If you go into teaching... I've heard the government will
wave your student loans in some States (I don't know if Utah is one of
2bits: "I've heard that today most students don't end up getting
a job in the area they study in college. I think that's sad. Seems like
settling for a job, instead of getting the job you wanted and worked for (to
me)."You know that applies to many, many fields, and it's
not always a bad thing. People with accounting degrees end up making a handsome
living in sales. Is that sad? Mitt Romney got his degree in English. Does
that mean he's some kind of failure? Your view of education is a bit too
narrow. Education isn't job training--it's a means by which one
develops skills--thinking critically and outside the box, writing skills,
research skills, etc. Your degree, in an ideal world, gets you your first job.
But who wants to stay in their first job? Do you know what the most
under-employed major is? As Business Insider reported, it's Business
You actually expect constructive "input from a public process that involves
Congress." Good grief, where have you been for the last 6 years. If
Obama said he wanted to solve world hunger, congress would be immediately be on
TV pronouncing that hunger is a hoax . You can't seriously expect there to
be any substantial dialog between legislative and executive branches... do you?
Federally backed student loans for for-profit colleges is one of the worst ideas
in the world. If for profit colleges were truelly a market based solution to
highter ed they can do without the student loan programs which have proven to
leave the student under educated and in deep deep debt.
Since Congress (hello Mr. Speaker, is anyone home?) refuses to defend the
individual against the monied corporation, Pres. Obama has to do something. In
my role as an ecclesiastical leader for student aged singles, there was more
than one instance where someone had paid tens of thousands of dollars, or had
loans for that amount, and discovered that they could not transfer to an
accredited institution. Unfortunately that money was stolen from them for an
inferior education. In another case an acquaintance completed a bachelors degree
at a for-profit institution and discovered that he could not attend an MBA
program at an accredited institution since they did not recognize his
bachelor's degree. Someone needs to rein in these for-profit
institutions that provide inferior, non-transferrable education. There ought to
be a warning label.
There is a need for regulation, for for-profit colleges AND State Universities
(tuition increase every semester).The gap between education and employment
has to be closed, shrink and, if schools had a great internship program, I bet
you students would retain and be hired by the same companies at the end.It’s ridiculous the amount of debt we are in, between credit cards and
student loans... we are BROKE as a country.In other countries people have
to pay cash for their Ed and no subsidies exist. I was luck to apply AND receive
scholarships, as well as my husband, but some people are too lazy and want to
sign in the X, and then... surprise! You owe $$ in student loans whether you get
employed or not....Responsible borrowing, period.
@2bits, you agree teachers should be paid more but "what do we do?" How about just paying them more? Honestly, the parents of
Utah will do anything for their children except pay the price to give them a
@ 2 bitsThat program was actually discontinued by the House a year
or so back.It also only applied to certain states, certain subjects,
and certain (below poverty) schools. His program should have been expanded not
cut. Who wants to teach in troubled schools now?Once again, another
perfect example of our Congress "helping" the American worker.
If for profit universities are so good, why do they advertise so much?Does BYU, Notre Dame, Yale or any other notable university advertise on TV?I don't know what people are thinking when they go to these places.
However, they ought to be protected from deceptive practices and loan sharking.
The most affordable thing in this country should be a quality education!