Let's see if I have this straight. State auditors ruled in favor a state
institution and against a religious school.
Does it ever get tiresome hiding behind the discrimination charge? Math
textbooks!? Fall in line with the race baiters religionists. If you don't
get your way, oh well, it's not your fault. It's just discrimination.
Something does smell fishy here...and the conclusion is that subjective factors
were significant in the selection. Sounds like bias was not an unreasonable
I wonder if this has anything to do with the math wars that has been going on
for a while (math teachers should know what I'm talking about). I know
where BYU falls on that issue, but I don't know where the U falls.
"Let's see if I have this straight. State auditors ruled in favor a
state institution and against a religious school."Sure, because
State Government is much more of a homogeneous ideological unity than BYU,
right?Give me a break.
And BYU's persecution complex lives on....
Now I see why utah high school seniors aren't that great at math....As a
recruiter there for 4 years it was tough seeing the seniors struggle with math.
All the people they asked said they were "totally not biased." Case
Wait! You mean the federal government didn't make the math books as the
anti-common core folks try to make us think?
I can speak from experience. As a math major who transferred from the U to the
Y, I found the curriculum at the Y to be MUCH MUCH more difficult, and the
environment to be quite a bit more competitive. I did enjoy the quantitative
analysis series at the U, though...application over theory for me any day!I guess that really has nothing to do with this article, though..loldisclaimer: at the Y I changed from Math to Computer Science, which
seemed a good way to go 30+ years ago.
Just another arena, in addition to sports, where BYU was cheated. Cry me a
ALL state RFP's are written with a pre-selected bidder in mind. Just the
way it is.
The AG's office of Shurtleff and Swallow were involved in this audit?
There are good people in that office but to take two years for this to finalize
is tragic for the process and credibility of both Universities. Where was the
outcry with the long drawn out process when the AG's office was without a
rudder to guide the ship? How many other processes were stymied by a lack of
integrity within an office?
@nt I am sure nothing has changed in the last 30 years since you were in school1
It is too bad that the people who made the allegations don't have to pay
for the cost of the audit. I am so tired of this discrimination attitude of BYU
fans and graduates, do they classes on how to claim discrimination when you
don't get their way?
Of course all the auditors were graduates of the U. So no surprises there
Amazing that Govt is one of the few places in society where conflicts of
interest are OK. The Legislature funds text book creation, creates a committee
to award the contract, awards the contract to a state funded university, then
reviews the complaints after the award. Just amazing that we allow it. And
I'm not holding that BYU's stance is correct, only that there's
no way to be impartial on the matter for the state or a state run university.
Did I get this right? The decision was based on non-quantifiable subjective
criteria and the auditors did not feel they were in a position to judge
subjective decisions. So they found no merit to a claim of bias because the
decisions that were made weren't based on verifiable criteria? So in
reality they didn't find the claim had not merit, they just declined take a
position. Government agencies are not allowed to pick vendors just because they
want to. Government RFP processes require verifiable decision criteria to avoid
this exact situation. I think the fact they made the decision subjectively
actually validates the claim.
Yeah isn't it funny how state sticks with state? For BYU to persue this,
there must have been some wrong doing that just couldn't be proven.
Another example of trying to fight city hall! Gosh it happens everywhere even
How can you not be biased when criteria is subjective? Selection should have
objective criteria that is point based and could easily be reviewed by peers or
an audit. Since it wasn't the selection committee and it's method of
selecting should be replaced