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  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    June 18, 2014 4:54 a.m.

    As I have said before the only reason Hatch should run again is to keep an extreme far right fringe-dweller like Mie Lee out. While I don't lie a lot of what Hatch has done, compared to Lee he is definitely the lesser of two evils. Please Utah voters -- vote for a moderate mainstream (i.e., true conservative) instead of one of the extremists.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    June 18, 2014 7:05 a.m.

    He's been doing this for decades.

    That's all Hatch ever does.

    We get the type of representation that we deserve.

  • wendell provo, UT
    June 18, 2014 7:26 a.m.

    I can't help but disagree that it's time for Senator Hatch to give someone else a turn - the time for him to do that was 26 years ago. In the words of Mr. Hatch himself, when he first ran for the Senate in 1976, "What do you call a senator who's been in office for more than two terms? You call him home."

  • SharpHooks Sandy, UT
    June 18, 2014 8:01 a.m.

    It's been "someone else's turn" for 4 or 5 terms already.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    June 18, 2014 8:13 a.m.

    Don't blame me...

    I've NEVER voted for the man.

    Those who vote for him, and then complain about him being office are the worst type of hypocrites.

  • Curmudgeon Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2014 8:52 a.m.

    Hatch suffers from a particularly virulent form of politician's fever. This form is incurable and terminal. Its primary debilitating effects are cognitive decline and deficit, delusions of self-importance and competence, inability to self-diagnose, and resistance to any treatment. Pity the man who is so afflicted.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    June 18, 2014 9:10 a.m.

    I don't want to hear any utah repub complain about Hatch. I didn't vote for this guy, you did... For decades. Don't come complaining to me with buyers remorse. You knew what you were getting. You built this! Own it now. He's yours for the next 5 years. Want Hatch gone? Vote Democrat next time. We have plenty of great candidates who would be considered republican in any other state. But because we are the state of low information voters, many lazily pull the R lever without thinking.

    Democracy isn't a passive weekend sport. It involves study, dedication, and standing up for something.

  • Star Bright Salt Lake City, Ut
    June 18, 2014 9:18 a.m.

    OK, I voted for him and have regretted it ever since. Do you say the same thing about 0bama voters who are changing their mind?
    I will actively work against him in every way if he breaks his promise and runs again.
    However, Furry, 1993 - there is one great man who is recognized country wide and that is Sen Mike Lee. Thank goodness we have a man of his caliber in office from Utah.
    So you can vote for your dem, I will campaign for Sen Lee.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 18, 2014 9:24 a.m.

    Is he campaigning for re-election? I hadn't heard that!

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    IMO Hatch should not only not campaign... He should also not be raising funds for a re-election campaign!

    Anybody donating to his campaign (which is throwing your money away, because the campaign will not happen) need to have their heads examined.

    He promised not to run again IF we would elect him one last time (and we did). So now he needs to stick to his word and not run again.

    If you don't plan to run again... you don't need to raise funds. If he's fundraising... it's just to feather his nest.

    Even if he goes against his word and runs again... he will not succeed at Convention after breaking a clear promise he made to the party and the people of Utah.

    Hatch knows he is done. I don't know why he would be fundraising.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    June 18, 2014 9:41 a.m.

    OMM

    At least some who voted for Hatch now admittedly are not happy with what Hatch has done, or not done as a Senator. Hatch has been known for not keeping campaign promises, as so many politicans do. However, if the choice is between a Democrat and a Republican, then Hatch supporters will just do as Democrats will do. Vote party over substance. The real important elections are in the primaries where people like Bennett and Cantor can be replaced. I only wish more Democrats would admit that Obama is not even close to what they had wished for. No way a Democrat can be happy with his Presidency with all the high expectations, only to see it dwindle to one of medocrity and or worse incompetence.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    June 18, 2014 9:57 a.m.

    hatch is not campaigning for the senate, he is campaigning to become a lobbyist.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 18, 2014 10:12 a.m.

    In most private organizations the leadership and decision making people serve indefinitely in their positions until doing something bad, dying or being promoted. It would not be logical or beneficial to the organization to fire the main people every 2, 4, or 6 years and replace them with untrained, inexperienced and those who's motivation was outside of the organization.

    I long for a system of government that would have specific training in the art/science of government. It would be a major course of study at the University. It might be fashioned by the people democratically.

    I long for a system of selection of those who would govern us, that gave credit to candidates based on education, experience and dedication. And a compensation system that would favorable compete with any private compensation even into retirement.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    June 18, 2014 10:32 a.m.

    "Hatch shouldn't campaign."

    "It is time for him to give someone else a turn."

    Hmmm, interesting idea, and I think you're right.

    In fact, NO Republican should campaign for the US Congress. It's time to give the Dems a turn.

    Republicans, especially Tea Partiers, are doing NOTHING for this nation.

    Don't you think it's silly to elect an Anti-Goverment advocate into a government position?

    They spend all their time proving their anti-governement ideology, and in doing their best to provide the very WORST government possible.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    June 18, 2014 10:39 a.m.

    "President Franklin Roosevelt said, 'A great man left a watchword that we can well repeat: there is no indispensable man.'"

    Someone else once said: 'What do you call a Senator who has served too long? You call him home.'

    Who said that? Uh, Senator Orrin Hatch.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    June 18, 2014 10:46 a.m.

    Opportunity...

    As long as Hatch continues to breathe Utah Republicans should send him back to DC.

    Utah Republicans can eventually set a record sending the same person back to DC every 6 years.

    Utah will finally become #1.

    Continue to vote for Hatch.

    It doesn't matter what he did/does/will do...

    As long as he has an R by his name...

    It's all good.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    June 18, 2014 11:09 a.m.

    SCfan
    clearfield, UT
    OMM

    Pres. Obama has let down many who supported him.

    I wanted a single-payer Healthcare option,
    tougher EPA standards,
    cuts to Big OIL subsidezes,
    a HUGE increase on taxes from those making over $1 million a year,
    and
    higher R&D into Green, Renewable Energy.

    BTW -- I never voted for him.
    I NEVER vote the party.
    I vote who I want regardless of Party.

    But, I still Demopcrats are better than anything the GOP has to offer.

    Truth be told, I'm un-affiliated.
    But, I voted Republican last election.
    I voted for Jon M. Huntsman Jr.
    The man I felt was best for the job.

    See - That's called integrity.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    June 18, 2014 11:10 a.m.

    Open minded
    I would hope you didn’t try to vote for him, Everett is in Washington, not Utah. Are you admitting to voting in the Utah elections while living in WA?

    Maverick,
    Faced with hatch or a dem, we took hatch – no choice in the matter. Wanting hatch gone, I’ll support his opponent in the caucuses and primary (if it gets that far). He shows up in the general election, I’ll either not vote in that race or vote for a third party candidate. I’d write-in nixon’s corpse before voting for hatch or a dem.

    GaryO,
    Dems had their turn from 2009 and 2011, and they failed miserably. Thanks for the chuckle, though.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    June 18, 2014 11:21 a.m.

    Gary O

    You say it is time to give the Democrats a chance in the House? Who are you Rip Van Winkle? Did you just wake up or something. The Dems had the house since the time of Pelosi and Reid taking control in Jan 2007. And look what happened with 2 years of lame duck Bush, and then 2 years of Obama, Pelosi, and Reid running the show. Trillions of dollars of added debt. More people dependent on government and not being encouraged to work but use food stamps. A continuing stagnent economy. A health care plan forced on people with false promises, and to this day not popular. And on it went. Is it any wonder that the House went Republican in 2010? The American people may elect Democrats to run things. But they will not trust them to run everything. Otherwise the Republicans would still be out of power in the House and not looking to win the Senate this November.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    June 18, 2014 12:09 p.m.

    lost in DC
    West Jordan, UT
    Open minded
    I would hope you didn’t try to vote for him, Everett is in Washington, not Utah. Are you admitting to voting in the Utah elections while living in WA?

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    I grew up in Utah.

    Orrin Hatch was first elected when I was here.
    It was 1977.
    The Vietnam war had recently ended.
    The first MRI scanner is tested in Boston.
    Jimmy Carter was President.
    The World Trade Center Twin towers were completed.
    The Apple II computer was first sold.

    Moved to Seattle for over 22 years, raised my family,
    and moved back to Utah 8 years ago to be closer to care for our elderly parents,
    children going to college and working here, and be close to our grandchildren.

    But, Guess what? -- Orrin Hatch is STILL the Senator from Utah!

    An entire lifetime and then some.

    BTW --
    I've had this DN account for almost 10 years.
    Tell me how to update it, and I will.

  • Missourian Fulton, MO
    June 18, 2014 12:13 p.m.

    Mr Hatch should do as his conscience dictates. The people from Utah should decide if it is another persons turn to represent them in the senate. The constitution sets the limit of the term not the number of terms. The people set these limits by showing up at the polls informed on the issues and the character of the candidates. Because the electorate fails in it's duty does not give us the right to cast guilt to those that serve.
    I

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 18, 2014 12:21 p.m.

    @GaryO,
    Re: "In fact, NO Republican should campaign for the US Congress. It's time to give the Dems a turn"...

    Hmmmm... Interesting idea. So... are you consistent? Are you proposing Dems re-elected many times not campaign and let Repubs have a turn too? Or is it a one-way street... just for your party?

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    IF we're going to be consistent....

    What about Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Barbara Lee, Barbara Boxer, and the many inner-city districts that have been represented by Democrats for years and years? No Dems allowed? Or does your tune change then?

    What about Tedd Kennedy... the fourth-longest-serving senator in United States history (47 years)... only replaced when he died.

    Or Robert KKK Byrd... from 1953 to 2010 (57 years, longer than I've been alive). He was the longest-serving U.S. Senator, until his record was surpassed by U.S. Representative John Dingell (another Dem of course).

    Have you noticed a trend here... Google "Congress by longevity of service"... The top 10 are all Democrats.

    Are you SURE you want to play that game? Consistently? With both sides having your proposed rule?

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    June 18, 2014 1:01 p.m.

    22 bits
    Cottonwood Heights, UT

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    I'm quite certain the reference is regarding Orrin Hatch in Utah.
    Please try harder to stay on TOPIC, and stop deflecting the issue.

    DN monitor, please keep an eye on this guy...thanks.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 18, 2014 2:40 p.m.

    @airnaut,
    Just trying to see if he wants to be consistent in how his suggestion is applied... or treat Repubs differently than Dems.

    If the logic works for Hatch (no Repubs can run for his position)... shouldn't the same logic work for any politician? Is he special in some way?

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    If all Repubs should be prohibited from running (which is what he suggested)... shouldn't the same logic work for other people, and other parties... or was it only for Hatch, and Repubs)?

    Just trying to be consistent with the logic (not one way for one party, and the other for the other party).

    If logic can't be used consistently... it's not logic.

    You see, logic works regardless of the person, or the party. Rhetoric is different for one person vs another, or my party vs your party. Just trying to see if this is logic based... or just partisan rhetoric.

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    How is this not on topic? We were talking about Hatch not running (which is the topic) and GaryO's further suggestion that ANY Repub be prohibited from running for his seat.

    That's the topic!

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2014 2:42 p.m.

    Bits: Two terms for either party just makes too much sense to come from Utah. Didn't Utah vote term limits and then repeal them before they took effect? Also I am pretty sure that Utah is one of the few states that allows politicians to keep the money in their campaign fund when their time in office is up which could be Orrin's reason for fundraising. Relection or retirement nest egg, it's all good for the Senator.

  • ThornBirds St.George, Utah
    June 18, 2014 3:15 p.m.

    In 1977, why did Orrin Hatch make such a strong point of letting the public know he was not in favor or politicians staying in office for more than a short time?
    He ran his campaign on this issue.
    Check out the archive DN political section prior to this election.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 18, 2014 3:36 p.m.

    @Grover,
    IMO Term Limits are a great idea. But it only works if ALL States have term limits.

    That's why we chickened out. We voted on principle. But then we looked at it practically.. and Utahns were convinced that it was only going to hurt Utah if only Utah did it (and people like Hatch, Bennett, and Hansen told us Hill AFB would close, We wouldn't have anybody on any of the big committees, it would basically be the end of the world), so we chickened out.

    The practical side eventually made it clear that only UTAH would be hurt (no pork for us) if only Utah adopted term limits.

    It may come up again. But it will lose again if it's only Utah doing it.

    If EVERY State had to live by the same rules... I think most Utahns would love it. Most Utahns are not career-politician fans. They like a layman clergy, and a layman politico system (not the elitist system it is becoming). But practicality tells us we have to play the game with the other States... and not cut off our nose to spite our face.

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2014 5:11 p.m.

    Bits: One of the reasons that both parties have a difficult time holding their people in line is the demise of pork (earmarks). The leaders can no longer promise a new federal project to secure votes on legislation that is considered "difficult" by the members. If there is a chance that they will need to explain a vote to hostile constituents, they want to be able to talk about what they got for their vote. Hence the new representative can quickly have more clout than in the past as the power of the leaders has diminished.

    Hill AFB is still open because they have always finished high in efficiency rankings from the base closure commission. Congress only gets to vote up or down on their recommendations and cannot add or delete names from the list. Bishop and the two Senators like to take credit for keeping it open, but really it is the call of the Air Force whether it stays open.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    June 18, 2014 6:19 p.m.

    Read the comments carefully. See who calls others hypocrites. See who uses multiple identities to get more than four comments. See who directly benefits from government spending, who works for the government, who would be crippled his check didn't come from the government.

    Hatch may not be the best person for the job, but he is not a liberal who votes to get votes. He stands for something, which is much more than can be said for those who call anyone who don't agree with government sponsored welfare "hypocrites".

    This nation will not survive if people who vote themselves a paycheck by voting for those in Congress who vote to buy votes.

    It doesn't matter whether someone lived in Utah all their life or for just a few years, those who look to government for their mortgage payments and for their groceries do not understand what freedom requires. No one who is concerned only for his own paycheck understands what it means to stand independent of government.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    June 19, 2014 5:24 a.m.

    @Star Bright 9:18 a.m. June 18, 2014

    However, Furry, 1993 - there is one great man who is recognized country wide and that is Sen Mike Lee. Thank goodness we have a man of his caliber in office from Utah.
    So you can vote for your dem, I will campaign for Sen Lee.

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    Sorry to burst your bubble -- I'm not a Democrat. I'm a moderate mainstream Republican, and a moderate mainstream Republican is what I want for the Senate. Someone of Lee's "caliber" -- someone who is so busy expressing and trying to enforce his extreme far right positions that he lets the country go right down the tube -- is what is wrong with this country. For the good of Utah and the United States and the people of the state and country we need to get Lee OUT and get a decent, sensible and honorable Senator in place. Jon Huntsman Jr. would be an excellent option, provided the Republicans fail to show common sense and nominate him for President (if he is nominated there is a very good chance that he would win).

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    June 19, 2014 7:10 a.m.

    @Star Bright 9:18 a.m. June 18, 2014

    . . . , Furry, 1993 - there is one great man who is recognized country wide and that is Sen Mike Lee. Thank goodness we have a man of his caliber in office from Utah.
    So you can vote for your dem, I will campaign for Sen Lee.

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    Sorry to burst your bubble, I'm not a "dem" and I don't automatically vote for "dems" although, if there were a conservative Democrat running against an extreme far right fringe dweller like Lee, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. Someone of Lee's "caliber" -- someone who would put the country down the tube to further his extreme policies rather than work together with others for the good of the country -- is the absolute last thing this country and its people need. Give me a true conservative (i.e., a moderate who is in the mainstream of the political spectrum) any day. People of Lee's "caliber" will destroy this country. We deserve better than someone like Lee.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    June 19, 2014 10:17 p.m.

    You had me at 'Hatch Shouldn't".

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    June 21, 2014 7:27 a.m.

    The tea party wants someone that jumps when they shout and yell.