I am hoping that many of these players choose to turn down offers from perennial
powers and suit up for the Utes. Until Utah can persuade the top local talent
to stay at home, they will find it very difficult to break into the upper half
of the Pac 12.
"give the Cougars a rare prime cornerback prospect out of high school should
he stay true to his commitment"Why is this rare? And no,
"limited recruiting pool" doesn't answer it unless we're
saying byu doesn't get great athletes at any position.This will
be fun to watch byu fans try and explain it.
I will answer you Chris. Great Cornerbacks are rare at BYU. Everyone knows
this. Certain teams are great at some positions and weaker at others. For
instance BYU is great at tight ends where as Utah is not. Sure we get the
occasional good corner, but overall we are not great at that position. Just as
you get the occasional good tight end, but overall it's not one of your
strengths. Keep trying to make us feel inferior, most of the time you just end
insulting your team. I always love a good laugh.
Chris B.,It's easy to explain. Most of the more highly regarded CB
prospects that BYU signs aren't high school kids. The CB recruits with the
most hype are normally from JCs.
10-15 years ago I thought that in state recruiting didn't matter much.
Clearly that has changed drastically. I understand that schools like USC,
Florida State, etc. are going to be too much for some kids to turn down, but I
really hope the Utes can snag the majority of them.
I agree with Chris only team Utah can compete are from WAC, right where Utah
belongs, with BYU and Usu.
I wish you all would just ignore Chris B. He's not interested in a good
discussion. He just wants to poke you in the eye. I love all these
great players coming out of Utah. I hope that most of them will want to play at
home in front of their family and friends.Go Utes!
Some of the instate athletes exclude themselves from BYU offers because they
skip the BYU camps. This is prerequisite for getting an offer. They've made
their choice known. In some ways this article is premature in that
BYU's camp ends on June 21st. So far only half of the athletes in this
article have offers from the Cougars. You'll see more being made, and
possibly some commits at the conclusion of camp. Brandon should know this.Go Cougars!!
I am a huge BYU fan BUT I gotta say, it is going to be harder and harder for BYU
to get major recruits, sure they will land the occasional one, but why would you
want to play New Mexico State, Idaho or Idaho State when you can play in
Pasadena, Los Angeles, Tempe, Eugene, Florida, Texas, Nebraska,Ohio on a
consistent basis. I for one do not have the answer but as a fan, it is
Chris BSalt Lake City, UT"skitter,You
didn't even close come to answering why. You just re-stated that byu
doesn't get very many good corners.Want to try again?belboz - same for you. Want to try again and actually explain "why"
byu doesn't land many good corners?"Chris- we all noticed
that you did not explain the U's tight end weakness. So again, why
doesn't the U land many great tight ends????
This sure is great forum for Ute fans to comment on.
@ JNA"..why would you want to play New Mexico State, Idaho or
Idaho State when you can play in Pasadena, Los Angeles, Tempe, Eugene, Florida,
Texas, Nebraska,Ohio.."Please list the home states of our away
games for the 2012 thru the 2015 seasons. And know that these series contracts
were negotiated on BYU's reputation alone, not on their conference
affiliation. Thanks in advance.Go Cougars!
@Chris BI'll give you three good reasons for why BYU typically
does not get great high school corners, since you seem to want to know the
answer so badly.1) BYU traditionally does not recruit fast players
very well, and most great corners are fast. This goes for offense too. Our best
recent skill players on offense, while very talented, were not fast: Collie,
Hall, Unga, Pitta, Hoffman, etc. This is true in the secondary as well: Preston
Hadley, Bradley, Rich and Sorenson were not fast. However, this trend is
starting to change with Hill, Williams, and Blackmon.2) Utah and
Utah St. are good at developing corners for the NFL. They both had one this
year. This makes it hard for BYU to attract top corners as opposed to playing at
Utah/USU, just like BYU's success with linebackers and QB's makes it
harder on the utes.3) Bronco typically goes the JC route for
corners. That's why Lake "gives the Cougars a rare prime cornerback
prospect out of high school." Emphasis on "high school".
@JNABYU does play in Pasadena, Florida (twice), Texas, and Nebraska
within the next two years. They also go to states such as Tennessee,
Connecticut, California (twice plus next year's bowl game), Michigan,
Idaho, Mississippi, and Nevada.All within the next two years. I
would say that is a pretty "consistent basis".The New Mexico
State and Idaho games were simply to fill out our schedule for the first 2 years
when we had to quickly fill the slate.
skitterOrem, UTBYU is great at tight ends where as Utah is
not.---------Utah is not good at producing tight ends?
Utah is up against some stiff competition for these kids.Hopefully
Utah will snag one or two, while it's unlikely USU or BYU will get any.
Darren RoweHeber City, UT"Utah and Utah St. are good at
developing corners for the NFL. They both had one this year. This makes it hard
for BYU to attract top corners as opposed to playing at Utah/USU, just like
BYU's success with linebackers and QB's makes it harder on the
Chris B.Comparing CB to TE's is probably not the best way to
explain this to you. How about the QB position?BYU has
historically recruited QB's WAY better than Utah. Why is that??According to Scout-Elite 11 QB's:BYU 2 - Utah 05 Star QB commits:BYU 2 - Utah 04 Star QB commits:BYU 4 - Utah 0How do you explain this?
Looking at that photo of Kody Wilstead his lanky form and skinny arms make me
think of Marc Wilson. I guess if he can have the same success as Marc Wilson I
wouldn't mind seeing him in BYU blue. Disappointing that BYU isn't
listed as a favorite for more of the top ranked players in the state this year.
In years past BYU would have at least been in the running on most of the top
players. I hope this is not a trend.
Chris:Darren gave you a legitimate answer...still no response from
you...crickets.Why can't Utah attract better talent at QB? Your
best QB over all the years is Alex Smith and that was a decade ago. You've
never landed a 4 star QB, while BYU has landed multiple (although interestingly
the higher star guys have flopped in the past). Is it because U "don't
feature the QB" at the U? Nope...what's your excuse? What's your
excuse for having NFL talent but can't compete at the highest levels of
CFB? Let the excuses begin...
@Cougsndawgs,Darren gave a letitimate answer?LOL.No he didn't.He said byu is not good at recruiting fast
players. That's beating around the bush. Still haven't
answered the "why" to anything.Want to try again?
@Darren,The article talks about byu "traditionally"It doesn't say "under the bronco era"So #3 is also
@Tomahawk Red"Hopefully Utah will snag one or two, while
it's unlikely USU or BYU will get any."Ummmm... Dayan Lake
committed to BYU already.@My PerspectiveI don't
know why my comment confused you so badly. Utah and Utah State have both been
better than BYU at recruiting and developing corners. Keith McGill was drafted
from utah, and Nevin Lawson was drafted from Utah State. Because of this, good
corners are more likely to go to utah, just like good linebackers and QB's
are more likely to go to BYU.If you need me to make it even clearer,
let me know. But I don't see how my comment was rocket science.
We can get any CB we go after. We just choose to offer the slower ones. Our
results have been consistent top 20 defenses, and some in the top 10 recently.
Thanks for the concern, Chris B.
This will be a good test to see if the recent dust-up over the ACC and SEC
snubbing BYU will have any real effect. If the Cougars can pick up their share
of these in-state recruits, they may be OK in just staying independent.
CougsndawgsWest Point , UT"Why can't Utah attract
better talent at QB? Your best QB over all the years is Alex Smith and that was
a decade ago. You've never landed a 4 star QB, while BYU has landed
multiple (although interestingly the higher star guys have flopped in the
past)."Come on, cougsndawgs...What has byu done with
qb's over the last 10 years? Answer: nothing. What has byu put in
the NFL since Mendenall came to town? Answer: slim pickns'Why
all the talk about qb's all of a sudden? The Utes had made sacking
byu's qb look easy last year. Your cougs have survived on poor schedules
and it has only gotten better for them since the independence experiment
Cougsndawgs:Utah landed Tommy Grady, when he left Oklahoma. He was
a 4-star QB ranked the #3 pro-style QB in the country for the 2003 class.Utah also landed current missionary Chase Hansen -- another 4-star --
back in 2012.And the only reason why we didn't get Josh Portis
-- a 4-star #4-ranked dual-threat QB back in 2005 -- was because after giving
Utah a solid verbal, he'd opted to follow the guys who'd recruited him
to Utah....to Florida (Meyer, Mullen)."Your best QB over all the
years is Alex Smith and that was a decade ago."That was also the
best QB who'd graduated from ANY university in Utah during that time frame
as well. So bad example there.
Why is it that Utah fans always compare there success and any action regarding
Utah football team to teams like BYU and usu instead of team from there own
conference like UCLA, stanford,Oregon etc. Wouldn't it make more sense to
spend time talking trash with fans of team you actually play with?
With all of this instate 0-3 star talent I'm positive it won't make a
difference for Ute travel arrangements in December.
Ute’s like to talk smack about BYU’s schedule, but who do they
choose to open the season with this year? Idaho State. Enough said.
MyPerspective,"Your cougs have survived on poor schedules and it
has only gotten better for them since the independence experiment
started."It seems like your perspective is almost always way off
the mark... You honestly think that BYU's schedules have declined since
becoming Independent? Even a down years schedule like 2014 is infinitely better
than the schedules we played as a MWC member. BYU's 2014
Schedule:UconnTexasHoustonVirginiaUSUUCFUNRBoise St.UNLVSavanah St.CalBYU's
best MWC schedule (2009)OklahomaTulaneFlorida St.Colorado St.Utah St.UNLVTCUWyomingNew MexicoAFUtah I know there is no comparison between BYU and
Utah's current SOS, but it is safe to say that both have faced a
significant upgrade from the MWC. The truth is Utah regularly gets
more talent in the secondary, particularly at CB for obvious reasons. But there
are many positions where BYU attracts more talent. Historically, it isn't
even close...BYU has dwarfed Utah in Individual player accomplishments at nearly
every position on the field in both College and Pro football.
@Darren,You do realize that its possible for byu, Utah, and usu to
ALL have good talent in the same position at the same time right? Yes, while
they do compete for several recruits - your comment makes no sense unless
you're suggesting(very incorrectly) that byu and usu and Utah all go after
the exact same kids at every position and whoever doesn't "win"
those rectuits is left with no one good left.All these schools
recruit out of the state - there is no magical bubble that makes it so Utah
being better at developing corners, which we do, directly makes is harder for
Naval Vet,I wouldn't count on Chase Hansen wearing
Crimson...When Hansen was being recruited, BYU ran a pro-style
offense and wanted him at LB. Utah only landed him because they recruited him as
a QB. This is common knowledge. BYU's new offense is a perfect fit for
Hansen's (who grew up a BYU fan) skill set. And once Whittingham is shown
the door following his 3rd losing season in a row. My guess is Hansen will end
up in Provo. Wouldn't surprise me if this is already his plan.
@ Black&BlueWhat do you mean: "The truth is Utah regularly
gets more talent in the secondary, particularly at CB for obvious reasons."
What's "obvious"?@ IndyI disagree with you
about Hansen, though I wish we could land him. He has Utah linebacker written
all over him. This is another case where Whitt will let him practice at QB for
the 1st week in Spring and then switch him to LB. I would love for him to come
to BYU, like I said. At least we, at the time, were honest with him about his
recruitment as a LB.@ Naval VetPicking up transfers that
committed to destination programs out of HS isn't the same as attracting
them straight from the prep ranks. Don't flatter your program.Go Cougs.
Chris B. Here's the real reason, and it has nothing to do with the ability
to coach or develop. I'm making some large generalizations here, so
forgive me. Top-talent corners are generally African American (if
you don't agree, go to ESPN recruiting. Of the 100 top CBs with a picture,
all are African American). There are not alot of African American Mormons. It
is diffucult to recruit non-LDS kids to BYU, whether African American or not,
because of the Honor Code. Thus, BYU has a difficult time time recruiting top
talent CBs. Now, Utah on the other hand, has difficulty recruiting
QBs becuase it simply can't develop them (with the exception of the Urban
Meyer years) and everyone knows that.
@Chris B"Darren gave a letitimate answer?LOL.No he didn't.He said byu is not good at recruiting fast
players. That's beating around the bush."How is that
beating around the bush? It directly explains why BYU has a tough time
recruiting corners. Good corners are fast. BYU struggles with recruiting speed.
Therefore, BYU struggles with recruiting corners."You do realize
that its possible for byu, Utah, and usu to ALL have good talent in the same
position at the same time right?"Of course I realize that. But
these schools do compete over the same athletes frequently, and utah typically
comes out on top with CB's and D linemen, while BYU usually comes out on
top with QB's and LB's.One great example is Davion Orphey.
He was committed to BYU until he got a utah offer and then he switched.Obviously BYU can still get good corners, which they proved with Lake, but we
frequently get the leftover corners that utah leaves for us, much like utah
often gets the leftover LB's that we leave for them.
BlueNtheFaceThere are several obvious reasons Utah generally has
better CB's than BYU. The most obvious is of course the difference in
defensive schemes. BYU runs a slightly conservative 3-4 that is heavily reliant
on the LB position. You rarely see BYU's Corners bump WR's off the
line or line up in man coverage. Bronco has never put much importance on
recruiting top corners. I wish he did. Utah runs an aggressive 4-3
that is reliant on a good defensive line and corners that can hold their own in
man coverage. Utah has also done a good job in developing talent at the CB
position, sending several to the NFL. Most NFL teams play a similar 4-3 scheme,
and look for corners that can lock down a receiver in man coverage.If you were an athletic corner with aspirations to play in the NFL where would
black&blueIf I'm not mistaken one of those Elite 11, 5 Star
QBs that committed to byU was Jake "PR" Heaps right?All this
recruit talk is cute.Go Utes!
Byu would get ever one of these guys if we wanted those guys.
Why is BYU a LB factory all of a sudden? Before Van Noy, who was the last NFL
pick at that position?
@ laughalittleFresno St., Michigan, USC, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon,
Oregon St., Arizona, ASU....Utah will play a top 5 schedule (again)
this year even with ISU on the schedule. Enough said.
utesgoingdownthehillSalt Lake City , UT"Why is it that
Utah fans always compare there success and any action regarding Utah football
team to teams like BYU and usu instead of team from there own conference like
UCLA, stanford,Oregon etc. Wouldn't it make more sense to spend time
talking trash with fans of team you actually play with?"Do fans
from UCLA, Stanford, Oregon, etc. flock to the local Deseret News? No. Just
you people. There are other forums to talk with our colleagues in the elite
conference. They have a lot more class than byu fans though so it's a very
different type of conversation.
Darren RoweHeber City, UT"I don't know why my comment
confused you so badly. Utah and Utah State have both been better than BYU at
recruiting and developing corners. Keith McGill was drafted from utah, and Nevin
Lawson was drafted from Utah State. Because of this, good corners are more
likely to go to utah, just like good linebackers and QB's are more likely
to go to BYU.If you need me to make it even clearer, let me know.
But I don't see how my comment was rocket science."You
honestly believe that a strength one has leaves the other two with weakness at
that position, don't you. Help me out here...why do you think that USU,
Utah, and byu are interdependent?
wwookiePayson, UT"Why is BYU a LB factory all of a sudden?
Before Van Noy, who was the last NFL pick at that position?"That's what I would like to know. How many byu kids have gone to the NFL
during Mendenhall's tenure? Certainly not enough in total to refer to byu
as a "factory" in anything.
Darren,Of course speed is important for good corners - so you might
as well have said "byu doesn't recruit good corners because byu
doesn't recruit good corners"And yet you still haven't
explained "why"?Why doesn't byu have good cornersWhy doesn't byu have lots of speedYou just keep rephrasing
the same point I'm making but not answering the question.But I
give you props for making up a new excuse that since Utah has good corners byu
doesn't.If you knew much about the last decade of Ute corners,
you'd know most of them were NOT recruited by byu, so your logic
doesn't hold there.Besides, I've never heard any other fan
say because team A has good players at a position then their team can't
also get good players.You're completely wrong.Now,
want to try and answer why byu doesn't have good corners and why they
don't have speedy players?And remember, limited recruiting pool
doesn't answer anything.Good luck this time!
Why do Utah fans spend so much time and energy on BYU, I would think they would
actually worry about the teams they actually play and try and come up with a way
to actually win against those teams.As good as the talent in Utah is
getting, it is still a must to recruit talent from throughout the country if one
is going to be any good. I am a Cougar fan and have been for a very long time
but I still cheer for the Utes except when they go against BYU.
@ Black&BlueTravis Wilson was an elite 11 QB. and how did those
2 5 star qb's work out for byu? Ben Olson and jake heaps?
@Black and BlueI'm really struggling (honestly) to see how
BYU's 2014 schedule is better than the 2009 schedule. At best I see sixes.
What's your rationale?
Utah State is on the rise while the utes are slipping.When all is
said and done, the Cougs are still the "University of Utah".
the REAL DEAL, Travis Wilson took part in 1 of several Elite 11
camps, but he was never included in the Final Elite 11. And how the
5 star QB's performed is besides the point. The fact that BYU has
attracted two 5 star QB's and four 4 star QB's is impressive. Go look
at the list of Elite 11 QB's on wikipedia. Only 21 of the 165 Elite 11
QB's over the past 15 years have gone on to have successful college
careers. Has Utah even landed a 5 Star recruit at any position in
I find it amusing that fans compare recruits coming in, how many stars they have
on sites run by guys out of their mom's basements, etc. Seems the only
thing that matters is results on the field and Utah has owned BYU on the field,
where it matters, period.BYU has no chance at landing decent recruits
because the guy recruiting the locals is poor at best when recruiting. Utah at
least goes through the motions with the local kids and gives the good ones
offers. BYU expects kids to look at their program as it once was and to be
honored to be offered a preferred walk-on when in fact BYU is closer to USU than
they are to Utah anymore.
According to the ESPN Position U blogBased on award winners, consensus all
americans, first team all conference, NFL picks.Byu was #6 in tight ends
and Utah was #11 in defensive line, both of which were the highest for each team
in any position.kicker: utah 44; byu 32defensive back: utah
88; byu 24linebacker: utah 34; byu 44defensive line: utah 128; byu
64offensive line: utah 104; byu 58tight ends: utah 6; byu 56running back: utah 8; byu 48
BlueNtheFace:"Picking up transfers that committed to destination
programs out of HS isn't the same as attracting them straight from the prep
ranks. Don't flatter your program."That didn't seem to
be the general tone when the Y picked up a 3-star QB out of Mizzou, but I guess
I already knew that the Utah's program were held to a higher standard than
the cougs'. We still got Chase Hansen though.Black&Blue:"Has Utah even landed a 5 Star recruit at any
position in it's history?"We had. DE James Aiono (2009).
But what difference does that make. Neither of our programs currently have any
5-star kids on our roster, so nobody gets to boast.Well...nobody
gets to boast about 5-star kids that is. Utah DOES get to boast about the
number of 4-star kids on our roster, and you guys get to boast over the number
of 2-star kids on yours.[*snicker*]
Naval VetYour comment looked a little frantic and emotional, so I did some
checking.You might find the results interesting.... Scout4 star recruits on Utahs Roster = 4 ( Langi, Poutasi, Lutui, Barton)4
star recruits on BYU's Roster = 11 (Warner, Kearsley, Hinds, Mangum, Apo,
Stout, Rowley, Kaufusi, Wilson, Bills, Hine) Rivals 4 star
recruits on Utahs Roster = 9 (Lewis, Hansen, Langi, Salt, Thomas, Poutasi,
Langi, Barton, Scott)4 star recruits on BYU's Roster = 9 (Warner,
Kurtz, Kearsley, Hinds, Mangum, Apo, Kaufusi, Bills, Matthews)ESPN4 star recruits on Utahs Roster = 2 (Lotulelei, Law)4 star
recruits on BYU's Roster = 9 (Blackmon, Nacua, Warner, Kearsley, Hinds,
Pauu, Mangum, Apo, Kaufusi) Marinate in that my friend.[*Snicker*]
BYU, Utah, Utah St.??listen kids, if you have the chance to get out of
this busy little beehive they call the state of Utah, then get out, take that
out of state scholarship and at least expand your horizons
@Chris BI've given you very true and reasonable explanations
for why BYU doesn't recruit good corners.If you still
can't make the connection that these reasons explain BYU's recruiting
trouble at corner, then I'm sorry, but there's not much I can do to
help you. You will need to find your own assistance.If you want a
reason for why BYU struggles with getting fast players, I will give that to you
as well:White Mormons from Utah are usually not very fast,
especially after serving a mission.
Black&Blue schools naval vet in the art of looking up ACTUAL FACTS.Nice work.
MyPerspective:I was speaking specifically about recruiting, not what the
QBs have done in college or the NFL. C'mon is right...you knew that and are
just being antagonistic.NV:BlueNtheFace was right...I was
talking about BYUs recruits from HS not transfers that didn't originally
sign with Utah. Hansen was never going to play QB...you know it I know it, and
so did Utah when they recruited him.These boards are getting
nauseating. Can't we just skip June & July and go directly to the
The DB issue is a race thing, its fairly obvious but nobody is supposed to
mention the elephant in the room
@Darren,While I appreciate the reply, and at least you're
finally attempting to answer the question, I find it odd your reason is
"White Mormons from Utah are usually not very fast, especially after serving
a mission." I've been called a racist by byu fans for
saying similar things in the past. I wonder if byu fans will come criticize you
for saying this?
@ Tomahawk redUtah isn't up against stiff competition for these
recruits. They standing out back hopefully waiting for a leftover or two. Lets
get real...3 yrs in the Pac10 and they are slipping further behind and unable to
recruit head to head with their conference. As for the other BYU
Haters on the board, with some of the most recent recruiting classes BYU went
head to head with schools like USC, Stanford and Oregon including several that
went right down to signing day and we faired very well. Don't count your
chickens before they hatch....there's still a long row to hoe before many
of these kids will sign on the dotted line. BYU will do just fine and get their
share.I'm not we can say the same about Utah, they're
recruiting well for a MWC team but that's not going to get it done in the
I don't know why anyone takes the bait from Chris. He knows the BYU
doesn't attract alot of African American kids and as Chris B knows, most
corners are African American kids. These kids don't want to play in a cold
area of the county and they don't want to sign and live by BYUs honor code.
A big part of college is partying and girls and options are limited in Provo.
Most of the JUCO kids we get are looking to keep playing and have fewer big time
opportunities and that opens the door for BYU. This has been the answer for BYU
for several years and it looks like this year we will have our best DB's in
the Bronco era. Utah will see the recruiting decline every year as the string of
losing (bowl less) seasons continues in perpetuity.
for BOTH sides.....BYU doesn't land great corners (generally
because) as the type of kid that will be LDS and want to adhere to their rules
is ABSOLUTELY not interested in BYU. Sorry the fast athletic metropolitan HS
kids are used to doing SO much more than what is allowed at BYU.so
to make it easy on you all BYU doesn't get great corners due to their
rulesAs for Utah, TEs all think they are WRs now (see the latest NFL
arbitration where the TE wanted to be classified as a WR for salary purposes)
NONE of them want to be a block first TE as they were all the best/fastest on
the field in HS and think that they will still be at that advantage when they go
to College (FWIW they will NOT). Utah rarely throws to their TE and they
historically run the ball a LOT.so to make it easy again Utah
doesn't get TEs due to their systemMY question is since when
does "6 photos" (in the photo gallery) really mean 3 photos twice.any questions???
hmmm....Maybe Naval Vet forgot his login information? I
was really looking forward to his response...Don't take the facts too
hard buddy. I'm sure Ute fans can find something else to boast about!Like... Playing and Beating BYU again this year... oh wait.Going
to a bowl game...psych!Winning the Conference
Championship...yeeeeeeeahhhh.Playing in the Rose Bowl.....LOL
@ Black&BlueHow about beating BYU 4 years in a row with
supposedly inferior athletes? Is your username a reflection of how
your Cougs have been absolutely pummeled by the talentless Utes?
Actually the "DB issue" isn't really a DB issue at all as BYU
regularly has excellent safeties. It is the corneback position where BYU
generally lacks top quality players. personally I do not know why that is, my
guess is that Bronco simply doesn't try to recruit them for some reason,
but it has certainly burned BYU many, many times so hopefully that is changing.
But BYU always has good safeties, they have a much better legacy at
that position than utah does.It is interesting to me how each school
has certain positions they seem to excell at having quality players in. BYU has
always had good to great QB's, TE's, LB's, safeties, and O and D
lines. utah has had good o and d-lines, cb's and good rb's.
They've occasdioanlly had some decent wr's although I wouldn't
say they have had any more than BYU has over the years. Someday it
will occur to chris b that trying to pretend that reality is anything other than
it is just makes a person appear to be deluded.
"But BYU always has good safeties, they have a much better legacy at that
position than utah does."Duckhunter,In just very
recent history, Utah has produced, to name a few:Eric Weddle (NFL)Robert Johnson (NFL)Morgan Scalley (All-American)Can you
provide such a list? And please don't say Andrew Rich, who got burned for
a touchdown at least once a game on a long ball.
SLC guy - Are you saying that LDS kids are inherently slower than non-LDS kids.
Why would religion make someone slower? That doesn't seem right.
No reply Duckhunter?Did you make an outrageous claim about byu being
superior to Utah without having an argument to back it up? Not the
first time it's happened.
standtall,Awww, it's cute that you frUTES have each others
back!And you are right, you can boast about 4 in a row.... But I'm
curious what will happen over the next 2 seasons without the all-important win
over BYU? What will U fans boast about? Certainly not better recruiting, bowl
appearances, conference championships, or national relevance. I guess you
could continue to boast about 4 in a row and your stronger SOS? But my guess is
without wins over BYU, 3 losing seasons in a row, and a new coach, that sweet
Ute ego will come crashing down and all the bandwagon fans that jumped on the
bus in 2004 will jump ship. It will be glorious...
Anyone know why Cory Butler decommitted from Utah and committed to Kansas?
That's a big blow.
BlueNtheFaceRancho Cucamonga, CA@ JNA"..why
would you want to play New Mexico State, Idaho or Idaho State when you can play
in Pasadena, Los Angeles, Tempe, Eugene, Florida, Texas, Nebraska,Ohio.."Please list the home states of our away games for the 2012 thru the 2015
seasons. And know that these series contracts were negotiated on BYU's
reputation alone, not on their conference affiliation. Thanks in advance.-----------BYU's reputation alone is why BYU is outside
of the P5 looking in. You welcome!
@Jefe-Ute"Anyone know why Cory Butler decommitted from Utah and
committed to Kansas? That's a big blow"I guess maybe he
wanted to trade up and go to what he saw as a bigger and better program.
A lot of you guys are so funny! Look what USU has done in the NFL lately, Utah
and BYU arent even close to what USU has done but lets not mention that ok.
Runningbacks, DB's, Linbackers, lineman and yes QB's. This is great to
watch Utah and BYU fans go at it.
Best of luck to all of these young men where ever they end up.Nice
Job Boys!Go Eagles!
A lot of instate recruits trying to get out of this state. It doesn't seem
like Utah and BYU can keep the best instate recruits.