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  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    June 17, 2014 12:44 p.m.

    I am hoping that many of these players choose to turn down offers from perennial powers and suit up for the Utes. Until Utah can persuade the top local talent to stay at home, they will find it very difficult to break into the upper half of the Pac 12.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2014 12:47 p.m.

    "give the Cougars a rare prime cornerback prospect out of high school should he stay true to his commitment"

    Why is this rare? And no, "limited recruiting pool" doesn't answer it unless we're saying byu doesn't get great athletes at any position.

    This will be fun to watch byu fans try and explain it.

  • skitter Orem, UT
    June 17, 2014 1:13 p.m.

    I will answer you Chris. Great Cornerbacks are rare at BYU. Everyone knows this. Certain teams are great at some positions and weaker at others. For instance BYU is great at tight ends where as Utah is not. Sure we get the occasional good corner, but overall we are not great at that position. Just as you get the occasional good tight end, but overall it's not one of your strengths. Keep trying to make us feel inferior, most of the time you just end insulting your team. I always love a good laugh.

  • belboz70 West Jordan, UT
    June 17, 2014 1:23 p.m.

    Chris B.,
    It's easy to explain. Most of the more highly regarded CB prospects that BYU signs aren't high school kids. The CB recruits with the most hype are normally from JCs.

  • UteinIdaho Sandpoint, ID
    June 17, 2014 1:50 p.m.

    10-15 years ago I thought that in state recruiting didn't matter much. Clearly that has changed drastically. I understand that schools like USC, Florida State, etc. are going to be too much for some kids to turn down, but I really hope the Utes can snag the majority of them.

  • utesgoingdownthehill Salt Lake City , UT
    June 17, 2014 1:52 p.m.

    I agree with Chris only team Utah can compete are from WAC, right where Utah belongs, with BYU and Usu.

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    June 17, 2014 1:59 p.m.

    I wish you all would just ignore Chris B. He's not interested in a good discussion. He just wants to poke you in the eye.

    I love all these great players coming out of Utah. I hope that most of them will want to play at home in front of their family and friends.

    Go Utes!

  • BlueNtheFace Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    June 17, 2014 2:25 p.m.

    Some of the instate athletes exclude themselves from BYU offers because they skip the BYU camps. This is prerequisite for getting an offer. They've made their choice known.

    In some ways this article is premature in that BYU's camp ends on June 21st. So far only half of the athletes in this article have offers from the Cougars. You'll see more being made, and possibly some commits at the conclusion of camp. Brandon should know this.

    Go Cougars!!

  • JNA Layton, UT
    June 17, 2014 2:31 p.m.

    I am a huge BYU fan BUT I gotta say, it is going to be harder and harder for BYU to get major recruits, sure they will land the occasional one, but why would you want to play New Mexico State, Idaho or Idaho State when you can play in Pasadena, Los Angeles, Tempe, Eugene, Florida, Texas, Nebraska,Ohio on a consistent basis. I for one do not have the answer but as a fan, it is disheartening.

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    June 17, 2014 2:38 p.m.

    Chris B
    Salt Lake City, UT

    "skitter,

    You didn't even close come to answering why. You just re-stated that byu doesn't get very many good corners.

    Want to try again?

    belboz - same for you. Want to try again and actually explain "why" byu doesn't land many good corners?"

    Chris- we all noticed that you did not explain the U's tight end weakness. So again, why doesn't the U land many great tight ends????

  • Mikeylikesit Davis, UT
    June 17, 2014 2:52 p.m.

    This sure is great forum for Ute fans to comment on.

  • BlueNtheFace Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    June 17, 2014 2:54 p.m.

    @ JNA

    "..why would you want to play New Mexico State, Idaho or Idaho State when you can play in Pasadena, Los Angeles, Tempe, Eugene, Florida, Texas, Nebraska,Ohio.."

    Please list the home states of our away games for the 2012 thru the 2015 seasons. And know that these series contracts were negotiated on BYU's reputation alone, not on their conference affiliation. Thanks in advance.

    Go Cougars!

  • Darren Rowe Heber City, UT
    June 17, 2014 2:57 p.m.

    @Chris B

    I'll give you three good reasons for why BYU typically does not get great high school corners, since you seem to want to know the answer so badly.

    1) BYU traditionally does not recruit fast players very well, and most great corners are fast. This goes for offense too. Our best recent skill players on offense, while very talented, were not fast: Collie, Hall, Unga, Pitta, Hoffman, etc. This is true in the secondary as well: Preston Hadley, Bradley, Rich and Sorenson were not fast. However, this trend is starting to change with Hill, Williams, and Blackmon.

    2) Utah and Utah St. are good at developing corners for the NFL. They both had one this year. This makes it hard for BYU to attract top corners as opposed to playing at Utah/USU, just like BYU's success with linebackers and QB's makes it harder on the utes.

    3) Bronco typically goes the JC route for corners. That's why Lake "gives the Cougars a rare prime cornerback prospect out of high school." Emphasis on "high school".

  • Darren Rowe Heber City, UT
    June 17, 2014 3:04 p.m.

    @JNA

    BYU does play in Pasadena, Florida (twice), Texas, and Nebraska within the next two years. They also go to states such as Tennessee, Connecticut, California (twice plus next year's bowl game), Michigan, Idaho, Mississippi, and Nevada.

    All within the next two years. I would say that is a pretty "consistent basis".

    The New Mexico State and Idaho games were simply to fill out our schedule for the first 2 years when we had to quickly fill the slate.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 17, 2014 3:09 p.m.

    skitter
    Orem, UT

    BYU is great at tight ends where as Utah is not.

    ---------

    Utah is not good at producing tight ends?

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 17, 2014 3:13 p.m.

    Utah is up against some stiff competition for these kids.

    Hopefully Utah will snag one or two, while it's unlikely USU or BYU will get any.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2014 3:13 p.m.

    Darren Rowe
    Heber City, UT

    "Utah and Utah St. are good at developing corners for the NFL. They both had one this year. This makes it hard for BYU to attract top corners as opposed to playing at Utah/USU, just like BYU's success with linebackers and QB's makes it harder on the utes."

    What?

  • Black&Blue St George, Utah
    June 17, 2014 3:31 p.m.

    Chris B.

    Comparing CB to TE's is probably not the best way to explain this to you.

    How about the QB position?
    BYU has historically recruited QB's WAY better than Utah. Why is that??

    According to Scout-

    Elite 11 QB's:
    BYU 2 - Utah 0

    5 Star QB commits:
    BYU 2 - Utah 0

    4 Star QB commits:
    BYU 4 - Utah 0

    How do you explain this?

  • K&RGUY San Francisco, CA
    June 17, 2014 3:37 p.m.

    Looking at that photo of Kody Wilstead his lanky form and skinny arms make me think of Marc Wilson. I guess if he can have the same success as Marc Wilson I wouldn't mind seeing him in BYU blue. Disappointing that BYU isn't listed as a favorite for more of the top ranked players in the state this year. In years past BYU would have at least been in the running on most of the top players. I hope this is not a trend.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 17, 2014 3:43 p.m.

    Chris:
    Darren gave you a legitimate answer...still no response from you...crickets.

    Why can't Utah attract better talent at QB? Your best QB over all the years is Alex Smith and that was a decade ago. You've never landed a 4 star QB, while BYU has landed multiple (although interestingly the higher star guys have flopped in the past). Is it because U "don't feature the QB" at the U? Nope...what's your excuse? What's your excuse for having NFL talent but can't compete at the highest levels of CFB? Let the excuses begin...

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    June 17, 2014 4:02 p.m.

    @Cougsndawgs,

    Darren gave a letitimate answer?

    LOL.

    No he didn't.

    He said byu is not good at recruiting fast players. That's beating around the bush.

    Still haven't answered the "why" to anything.

    Want to try again?

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    June 17, 2014 4:08 p.m.

    @Darren,

    The article talks about byu "traditionally"

    It doesn't say "under the bronco era"

    So #3 is also debunked.

  • Darren Rowe Heber City, UT
    June 17, 2014 4:18 p.m.

    @Tomahawk Red

    "Hopefully Utah will snag one or two, while it's unlikely USU or BYU will get any."

    Ummmm... Dayan Lake committed to BYU already.

    @My Perspective

    I don't know why my comment confused you so badly. Utah and Utah State have both been better than BYU at recruiting and developing corners. Keith McGill was drafted from utah, and Nevin Lawson was drafted from Utah State. Because of this, good corners are more likely to go to utah, just like good linebackers and QB's are more likely to go to BYU.

    If you need me to make it even clearer, let me know. But I don't see how my comment was rocket science.

  • BlueNtheFace Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    June 17, 2014 4:32 p.m.

    We can get any CB we go after. We just choose to offer the slower ones. Our results have been consistent top 20 defenses, and some in the top 10 recently. Thanks for the concern, Chris B.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    June 17, 2014 4:34 p.m.

    This will be a good test to see if the recent dust-up over the ACC and SEC snubbing BYU will have any real effect. If the Cougars can pick up their share of these in-state recruits, they may be OK in just staying independent.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2014 4:34 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs
    West Point , UT

    "Why can't Utah attract better talent at QB? Your best QB over all the years is Alex Smith and that was a decade ago. You've never landed a 4 star QB, while BYU has landed multiple (although interestingly the higher star guys have flopped in the past)."

    Come on, cougsndawgs...

    What has byu done with qb's over the last 10 years? Answer: nothing.
    What has byu put in the NFL since Mendenall came to town? Answer: slim pickns'

    Why all the talk about qb's all of a sudden? The Utes had made sacking byu's qb look easy last year. Your cougs have survived on poor schedules and it has only gotten better for them since the independence experiment started.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 17, 2014 4:38 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs:

    Utah landed Tommy Grady, when he left Oklahoma. He was a 4-star QB ranked the #3 pro-style QB in the country for the 2003 class.

    Utah also landed current missionary Chase Hansen -- another 4-star -- back in 2012.

    And the only reason why we didn't get Josh Portis -- a 4-star #4-ranked dual-threat QB back in 2005 -- was because after giving Utah a solid verbal, he'd opted to follow the guys who'd recruited him to Utah....to Florida (Meyer, Mullen).

    "Your best QB over all the years is Alex Smith and that was a decade ago."

    That was also the best QB who'd graduated from ANY university in Utah during that time frame as well. So bad example there.

  • utesgoingdownthehill Salt Lake City , UT
    June 17, 2014 4:45 p.m.

    Why is it that Utah fans always compare there success and any action regarding Utah football team to teams like BYU and usu instead of team from there own conference like UCLA, stanford,Oregon etc. Wouldn't it make more sense to spend time talking trash with fans of team you actually play with?

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    June 17, 2014 4:57 p.m.

    With all of this instate 0-3 star talent I'm positive it won't make a difference for Ute travel arrangements in December.

  • laughalittle Orem, UT
    June 17, 2014 5:03 p.m.

    Ute’s like to talk smack about BYU’s schedule, but who do they choose to open the season with this year? Idaho State. Enough said.

  • Black&Blue St George, Utah
    June 17, 2014 5:05 p.m.

    MyPerspective,

    "Your cougs have survived on poor schedules and it has only gotten better for them since the independence experiment started."

    It seems like your perspective is almost always way off the mark... You honestly think that BYU's schedules have declined since becoming Independent? Even a down years schedule like 2014 is infinitely better than the schedules we played as a MWC member.

    BYU's 2014 Schedule:
    Uconn
    Texas
    Houston
    Virginia
    USU
    UCF
    UNR
    Boise St.
    UNLV
    Savanah St.
    Cal

    BYU's best MWC schedule (2009)

    Oklahoma
    Tulane
    Florida St.
    Colorado St.
    Utah St.
    UNLV
    TCU
    Wyoming
    New Mexico
    AF
    Utah

    I know there is no comparison between BYU and Utah's current SOS, but it is safe to say that both have faced a significant upgrade from the MWC.

    The truth is Utah regularly gets more talent in the secondary, particularly at CB for obvious reasons. But there are many positions where BYU attracts more talent. Historically, it isn't even close...BYU has dwarfed Utah in Individual player accomplishments at nearly every position on the field in both College and Pro football.

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    June 17, 2014 5:05 p.m.

    @Darren,

    You do realize that its possible for byu, Utah, and usu to ALL have good talent in the same position at the same time right? Yes, while they do compete for several recruits - your comment makes no sense unless you're suggesting(very incorrectly) that byu and usu and Utah all go after the exact same kids at every position and whoever doesn't "win" those rectuits is left with no one good left.

    All these schools recruit out of the state - there is no magical bubble that makes it so Utah being better at developing corners, which we do, directly makes is harder for byu.

    Totally false.

  • Indy St George, Utah
    June 17, 2014 5:19 p.m.

    Naval Vet,

    I wouldn't count on Chase Hansen wearing Crimson...

    When Hansen was being recruited, BYU ran a pro-style offense and wanted him at LB. Utah only landed him because they recruited him as a QB. This is common knowledge. BYU's new offense is a perfect fit for Hansen's (who grew up a BYU fan) skill set. And once Whittingham is shown the door following his 3rd losing season in a row. My guess is Hansen will end up in Provo. Wouldn't surprise me if this is already his plan.

  • BlueNtheFace Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    June 17, 2014 5:48 p.m.

    @ Black&Blue

    What do you mean: "The truth is Utah regularly gets more talent in the secondary, particularly at CB for obvious reasons." What's "obvious"?

    @ Indy

    I disagree with you about Hansen, though I wish we could land him. He has Utah linebacker written all over him. This is another case where Whitt will let him practice at QB for the 1st week in Spring and then switch him to LB. I would love for him to come to BYU, like I said. At least we, at the time, were honest with him about his recruitment as a LB.

    @ Naval Vet

    Picking up transfers that committed to destination programs out of HS isn't the same as attracting them straight from the prep ranks. Don't flatter your program.

    Go Cougs.

  • Unbiased1979 dallas, TX
    June 17, 2014 6:13 p.m.

    Chris B. Here's the real reason, and it has nothing to do with the ability to coach or develop. I'm making some large generalizations here, so forgive me.

    Top-talent corners are generally African American (if you don't agree, go to ESPN recruiting. Of the 100 top CBs with a picture, all are African American). There are not alot of African American Mormons. It is diffucult to recruit non-LDS kids to BYU, whether African American or not, because of the Honor Code. Thus, BYU has a difficult time time recruiting top talent CBs.

    Now, Utah on the other hand, has difficulty recruiting QBs becuase it simply can't develop them (with the exception of the Urban Meyer years) and everyone knows that.

  • Darren Rowe Heber City, UT
    June 17, 2014 6:17 p.m.

    @Chris B

    "Darren gave a letitimate answer?

    LOL.

    No he didn't.

    He said byu is not good at recruiting fast players. That's beating around the bush."

    How is that beating around the bush? It directly explains why BYU has a tough time recruiting corners. Good corners are fast. BYU struggles with recruiting speed. Therefore, BYU struggles with recruiting corners.

    "You do realize that its possible for byu, Utah, and usu to ALL have good talent in the same position at the same time right?"

    Of course I realize that. But these schools do compete over the same athletes frequently, and utah typically comes out on top with CB's and D linemen, while BYU usually comes out on top with QB's and LB's.

    One great example is Davion Orphey. He was committed to BYU until he got a utah offer and then he switched.

    Obviously BYU can still get good corners, which they proved with Lake, but we frequently get the leftover corners that utah leaves for us, much like utah often gets the leftover LB's that we leave for them.

  • Black&Blue St George, Utah
    June 17, 2014 6:25 p.m.

    BlueNtheFace

    There are several obvious reasons Utah generally has better CB's than BYU. The most obvious is of course the difference in defensive schemes. BYU runs a slightly conservative 3-4 that is heavily reliant on the LB position. You rarely see BYU's Corners bump WR's off the line or line up in man coverage. Bronco has never put much importance on recruiting top corners. I wish he did.

    Utah runs an aggressive 4-3 that is reliant on a good defensive line and corners that can hold their own in man coverage. Utah has also done a good job in developing talent at the CB position, sending several to the NFL. Most NFL teams play a similar 4-3 scheme, and look for corners that can lock down a receiver in man coverage.

    If you were an athletic corner with aspirations to play in the NFL where would you go?

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    June 17, 2014 7:17 p.m.

    black&blue

    If I'm not mistaken one of those Elite 11, 5 Star QBs that committed to byU was Jake "PR" Heaps right?

    All this recruit talk is cute.

    Go Utes!

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    June 17, 2014 7:21 p.m.

    Byu would get ever one of these guys if we wanted those guys.

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    June 17, 2014 8:14 p.m.

    Why is BYU a LB factory all of a sudden? Before Van Noy, who was the last NFL pick at that position?

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2014 9:43 p.m.

    @ laughalittle

    Fresno St., Michigan, USC, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon St., Arizona, ASU....

    Utah will play a top 5 schedule (again) this year even with ISU on the schedule. Enough said.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2014 10:16 p.m.

    utesgoingdownthehill
    Salt Lake City , UT

    "Why is it that Utah fans always compare there success and any action regarding Utah football team to teams like BYU and usu instead of team from there own conference like UCLA, stanford,Oregon etc. Wouldn't it make more sense to spend time talking trash with fans of team you actually play with?"

    Do fans from UCLA, Stanford, Oregon, etc. flock to the local Deseret News? No. Just you people. There are other forums to talk with our colleagues in the elite conference. They have a lot more class than byu fans though so it's a very different type of conversation.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2014 10:28 p.m.

    Darren Rowe
    Heber City, UT

    "I don't know why my comment confused you so badly. Utah and Utah State have both been better than BYU at recruiting and developing corners. Keith McGill was drafted from utah, and Nevin Lawson was drafted from Utah State. Because of this, good corners are more likely to go to utah, just like good linebackers and QB's are more likely to go to BYU.

    If you need me to make it even clearer, let me know. But I don't see how my comment was rocket science."

    You honestly believe that a strength one has leaves the other two with weakness at that position, don't you. Help me out here...why do you think that USU, Utah, and byu are interdependent?

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2014 10:31 p.m.

    wwookie
    Payson, UT

    "Why is BYU a LB factory all of a sudden? Before Van Noy, who was the last NFL pick at that position?"

    That's what I would like to know. How many byu kids have gone to the NFL during Mendenhall's tenure? Certainly not enough in total to refer to byu as a "factory" in anything.

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    June 17, 2014 11:06 p.m.

    Darren,

    Of course speed is important for good corners - so you might as well have said "byu doesn't recruit good corners because byu doesn't recruit good corners"

    And yet you still haven't explained "why"?

    Why doesn't byu have good corners
    Why doesn't byu have lots of speed

    You just keep rephrasing the same point I'm making but not answering the question.

    But I give you props for making up a new excuse that since Utah has good corners byu doesn't.

    If you knew much about the last decade of Ute corners, you'd know most of them were NOT recruited by byu, so your logic doesn't hold there.

    Besides, I've never heard any other fan say because team A has good players at a position then their team can't also get good players.

    You're completely wrong.

    Now, want to try and answer why byu doesn't have good corners and why they don't have speedy players?

    And remember, limited recruiting pool doesn't answer anything.

    Good luck this time!

  • high school fan Huntington, UT
    June 17, 2014 11:08 p.m.

    Why do Utah fans spend so much time and energy on BYU, I would think they would actually worry about the teams they actually play and try and come up with a way to actually win against those teams.
    As good as the talent in Utah is getting, it is still a must to recruit talent from throughout the country if one is going to be any good. I am a Cougar fan and have been for a very long time but I still cheer for the Utes except when they go against BYU.

  • the REAL DEAL Sandy, UT
    June 18, 2014 8:56 a.m.

    @ Black&Blue

    Travis Wilson was an elite 11 QB. and how did those 2 5 star qb's work out for byu? Ben Olson and jake heaps?

  • Aggie238 Logan, UT
    June 18, 2014 9:02 a.m.

    @Black and Blue

    I'm really struggling (honestly) to see how BYU's 2014 schedule is better than the 2009 schedule. At best I see sixes. What's your rationale?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 18, 2014 9:36 a.m.

    Utah State is on the rise while the utes are slipping.

    When all is said and done, the Cougs are still the "University of Utah".

  • Black&Blue St George, Utah
    June 18, 2014 9:43 a.m.

    the REAL DEAL,

    Travis Wilson took part in 1 of several Elite 11 camps, but he was never included in the Final Elite 11.

    And how the 5 star QB's performed is besides the point. The fact that BYU has attracted two 5 star QB's and four 4 star QB's is impressive. Go look at the list of Elite 11 QB's on wikipedia. Only 21 of the 165 Elite 11 QB's over the past 15 years have gone on to have successful college careers.

    Has Utah even landed a 5 Star recruit at any position in it's history?

  • plyxply SLC, UT
    June 18, 2014 10:26 a.m.

    I find it amusing that fans compare recruits coming in, how many stars they have on sites run by guys out of their mom's basements, etc. Seems the only thing that matters is results on the field and Utah has owned BYU on the field, where it matters, period.
    BYU has no chance at landing decent recruits because the guy recruiting the locals is poor at best when recruiting. Utah at least goes through the motions with the local kids and gives the good ones offers. BYU expects kids to look at their program as it once was and to be honored to be offered a preferred walk-on when in fact BYU is closer to USU than they are to Utah anymore.

  • Jefe-Ute SLC, UT
    June 18, 2014 11:28 a.m.

    According to the ESPN Position U blog
    Based on award winners, consensus all americans, first team all conference, NFL picks.
    Byu was #6 in tight ends and Utah was #11 in defensive line, both of which were the highest for each team in any position.

    kicker: utah 44; byu 32
    defensive back: utah 88; byu 24
    linebacker: utah 34; byu 44
    defensive line: utah 128; byu 64
    offensive line: utah 104; byu 58
    tight ends: utah 6; byu 56
    running back: utah 8; byu 48

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 18, 2014 12:46 p.m.

    BlueNtheFace:

    "Picking up transfers that committed to destination programs out of HS isn't the same as attracting them straight from the prep ranks. Don't flatter your program."

    That didn't seem to be the general tone when the Y picked up a 3-star QB out of Mizzou, but I guess I already knew that the Utah's program were held to a higher standard than the cougs'. We still got Chase Hansen though.

    Black&Blue:

    "Has Utah even landed a 5 Star recruit at any position in it's history?"

    We had. DE James Aiono (2009). But what difference does that make. Neither of our programs currently have any 5-star kids on our roster, so nobody gets to boast.

    Well...nobody gets to boast about 5-star kids that is. Utah DOES get to boast about the number of 4-star kids on our roster, and you guys get to boast over the number of 2-star kids on yours.

    [*snicker*]

  • Black&Blue St George, Utah
    June 18, 2014 2:47 p.m.

    Naval Vet
    Your comment looked a little frantic and emotional, so I did some checking.
    You might find the results interesting....

    Scout
    4 star recruits on Utahs Roster = 4 ( Langi, Poutasi, Lutui, Barton)
    4 star recruits on BYU's Roster = 11 (Warner, Kearsley, Hinds, Mangum, Apo, Stout, Rowley, Kaufusi, Wilson, Bills, Hine)

    Rivals
    4 star recruits on Utahs Roster = 9 (Lewis, Hansen, Langi, Salt, Thomas, Poutasi, Langi, Barton, Scott)
    4 star recruits on BYU's Roster = 9 (Warner, Kurtz, Kearsley, Hinds, Mangum, Apo, Kaufusi, Bills, Matthews)

    ESPN
    4 star recruits on Utahs Roster = 2 (Lotulelei, Law)
    4 star recruits on BYU's Roster = 9 (Blackmon, Nacua, Warner, Kearsley, Hinds, Pauu, Mangum, Apo, Kaufusi)

    Marinate in that my friend.
    [*Snicker*]

  • CMO Beaver Beaver, UT
    June 18, 2014 3:04 p.m.

    BYU, Utah, Utah St.??
    listen kids, if you have the chance to get out of this busy little beehive they call the state of Utah, then get out, take that out of state scholarship and at least expand your horizons

  • Darren Rowe Heber City, UT
    June 18, 2014 3:04 p.m.

    @Chris B

    I've given you very true and reasonable explanations for why BYU doesn't recruit good corners.

    If you still can't make the connection that these reasons explain BYU's recruiting trouble at corner, then I'm sorry, but there's not much I can do to help you. You will need to find your own assistance.

    If you want a reason for why BYU struggles with getting fast players, I will give that to you as well:

    White Mormons from Utah are usually not very fast, especially after serving a mission.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2014 4:56 p.m.

    Black&Blue schools naval vet in the art of looking up ACTUAL FACTS.

    Nice work.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 18, 2014 6:08 p.m.

    MyPerspective:
    I was speaking specifically about recruiting, not what the QBs have done in college or the NFL. C'mon is right...you knew that and are just being antagonistic.

    NV:
    BlueNtheFace was right...I was talking about BYUs recruits from HS not transfers that didn't originally sign with Utah. Hansen was never going to play QB...you know it I know it, and so did Utah when they recruited him.

    These boards are getting nauseating. Can't we just skip June & July and go directly to the season.

  • BU52 Provo, ut
    June 18, 2014 9:25 p.m.

    The DB issue is a race thing, its fairly obvious but nobody is supposed to mention the elephant in the room

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    June 18, 2014 9:52 p.m.

    @Darren,

    While I appreciate the reply, and at least you're finally attempting to answer the question, I find it odd your reason is "White Mormons from Utah are usually not very fast, especially after serving a mission."

    I've been called a racist by byu fans for saying similar things in the past. I wonder if byu fans will come criticize you for saying this?

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    June 19, 2014 12:59 a.m.

    @ Tomahawk red

    Utah isn't up against stiff competition for these recruits. They standing out back hopefully waiting for a leftover or two. Lets get real...3 yrs in the Pac10 and they are slipping further behind and unable to recruit head to head with their conference.

    As for the other BYU Haters on the board, with some of the most recent recruiting classes BYU went head to head with schools like USC, Stanford and Oregon including several that went right down to signing day and we faired very well. Don't count your chickens before they hatch....there's still a long row to hoe before many of these kids will sign on the dotted line. BYU will do just fine and get their share.

    I'm not we can say the same about Utah, they're recruiting well for a MWC team but that's not going to get it done in the Pac10.

  • PG #1 FAN Lindon, UT
    June 19, 2014 1:26 a.m.

    I don't know why anyone takes the bait from Chris. He knows the BYU doesn't attract alot of African American kids and as Chris B knows, most corners are African American kids. These kids don't want to play in a cold area of the county and they don't want to sign and live by BYUs honor code. A big part of college is partying and girls and options are limited in Provo. Most of the JUCO kids we get are looking to keep playing and have fewer big time opportunities and that opens the door for BYU. This has been the answer for BYU for several years and it looks like this year we will have our best DB's in the Bronco era. Utah will see the recruiting decline every year as the string of losing (bowl less) seasons continues in perpetuity.

  • SLCguy Murray, UT
    June 19, 2014 8:51 a.m.

    for BOTH sides.....

    BYU doesn't land great corners (generally because) as the type of kid that will be LDS and want to adhere to their rules is ABSOLUTELY not interested in BYU. Sorry the fast athletic metropolitan HS kids are used to doing SO much more than what is allowed at BYU.

    so to make it easy on you all BYU doesn't get great corners due to their rules

    As for Utah, TEs all think they are WRs now (see the latest NFL arbitration where the TE wanted to be classified as a WR for salary purposes) NONE of them want to be a block first TE as they were all the best/fastest on the field in HS and think that they will still be at that advantage when they go to College (FWIW they will NOT). Utah rarely throws to their TE and they historically run the ball a LOT.

    so to make it easy again Utah doesn't get TEs due to their system

    MY question is since when does "6 photos" (in the photo gallery) really mean 3 photos twice.

    any questions???

  • Black&Blue St George, Utah
    June 19, 2014 11:50 a.m.

    hmmm....

    Maybe Naval Vet forgot his login information?

    I was really looking forward to his response...
    Don't take the facts too hard buddy. I'm sure Ute fans can find something else to boast about!
    Like...
    Playing and Beating BYU again this year... oh wait.
    Going to a bowl game...psych!
    Winning the Conference Championship...yeeeeeeeahhhh.
    Playing in the Rose Bowl.....LOL

  • standtall Sandy, UT
    June 19, 2014 12:53 p.m.

    @ Black&Blue

    How about beating BYU 4 years in a row with supposedly inferior athletes?

    Is your username a reflection of how your Cougs have been absolutely pummeled by the talentless Utes?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 19, 2014 1:03 p.m.

    Actually the "DB issue" isn't really a DB issue at all as BYU regularly has excellent safeties. It is the corneback position where BYU generally lacks top quality players. personally I do not know why that is, my guess is that Bronco simply doesn't try to recruit them for some reason, but it has certainly burned BYU many, many times so hopefully that is changing.

    But BYU always has good safeties, they have a much better legacy at that position than utah does.

    It is interesting to me how each school has certain positions they seem to excell at having quality players in. BYU has always had good to great QB's, TE's, LB's, safeties, and O and D lines. utah has had good o and d-lines, cb's and good rb's. They've occasdioanlly had some decent wr's although I wouldn't say they have had any more than BYU has over the years.

    Someday it will occur to chris b that trying to pretend that reality is anything other than it is just makes a person appear to be deluded.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    June 19, 2014 1:28 p.m.

    "But BYU always has good safeties, they have a much better legacy at that position than utah does."

    Duckhunter,

    In just very recent history, Utah has produced, to name a few:
    Eric Weddle (NFL)
    Robert Johnson (NFL)
    Morgan Scalley (All-American)

    Can you provide such a list? And please don't say Andrew Rich, who got burned for a touchdown at least once a game on a long ball.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2014 1:59 p.m.

    SLC guy - Are you saying that LDS kids are inherently slower than non-LDS kids. Why would religion make someone slower? That doesn't seem right.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    June 19, 2014 2:47 p.m.

    No reply Duckhunter?

    Did you make an outrageous claim about byu being superior to Utah without having an argument to back it up?

    Not the first time it's happened.

  • Black&Blue St George, Utah
    June 19, 2014 3:08 p.m.

    standtall,

    Awww, it's cute that you frUTES have each others back!
    And you are right, you can boast about 4 in a row.... But I'm curious what will happen over the next 2 seasons without the all-important win over BYU? What will U fans boast about? Certainly not better recruiting, bowl appearances, conference championships, or national relevance.
    I guess you could continue to boast about 4 in a row and your stronger SOS? But my guess is without wins over BYU, 3 losing seasons in a row, and a new coach, that sweet Ute ego will come crashing down and all the bandwagon fans that jumped on the bus in 2004 will jump ship.

    It will be glorious...

  • Jefe-Ute SLC, UT
    June 19, 2014 4:55 p.m.

    Anyone know why Cory Butler decommitted from Utah and committed to Kansas? That's a big blow.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 21, 2014 3:41 p.m.

    BlueNtheFace
    Rancho Cucamonga, CA

    @ JNA

    "..why would you want to play New Mexico State, Idaho or Idaho State when you can play in Pasadena, Los Angeles, Tempe, Eugene, Florida, Texas, Nebraska,Ohio.."

    Please list the home states of our away games for the 2012 thru the 2015 seasons. And know that these series contracts were negotiated on BYU's reputation alone, not on their conference affiliation. Thanks in advance.

    -----------

    BYU's reputation alone is why BYU is outside of the P5 looking in. You welcome!

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    June 22, 2014 10:38 a.m.

    @Jefe-Ute
    "Anyone know why Cory Butler decommitted from Utah and committed to Kansas? That's a big blow"

    I guess maybe he wanted to trade up and go to what he saw as a bigger and better program.

  • Robbie32 Mesa, AZ
    June 23, 2014 12:46 p.m.

    A lot of you guys are so funny! Look what USU has done in the NFL lately, Utah and BYU arent even close to what USU has done but lets not mention that ok. Runningbacks, DB's, Linbackers, lineman and yes QB's. This is great to watch Utah and BYU fans go at it.

  • Goldendomer Holladay, UT
    July 1, 2014 11:04 a.m.

    Best of luck to all of these young men where ever they end up.

    Nice Job Boys!

    Go Eagles!

  • LovelyDeseret Gilbert, AZ
    July 6, 2014 6:04 a.m.

    A lot of instate recruits trying to get out of this state. It doesn't seem like Utah and BYU can keep the best instate recruits.