They should just join forces and have one paper. They are already both liberal
and anti Mormon. Seems they would do well together under any agreement.
"According to the lawsuit, the Deseret News was approached by the
Tribune's corporate owner about renegotiating the terms of the joint
operating agreement between the two newspapers."Hmmm! The
people don't like the fact that the D-News was asked by the Trib to
renegotiate the previous agreement and are suing the **D-NEWS??**
What I don't understand is why people who do not own the Tribune want to
tell the owner of the Tribune how to run his business, or tell him what he can
or can't do with his property. Yeah, I know the "him" is a
The consensus is to eliminate and competition or duplication of socialist news
media that is under the control of federal government in Washington DC which the
DN is affiliated with. The government must not block independent
news media or competitive media regardless of financial state. Government
involvement in restricting or interfering with our freedom of speech and free
press is a constitutional infringement. Free enterprise is independent and
unregulated and also unconstitional when it establishes the ability of a
monopoly of lies and misinformation and no opposition. I think the threat of
monopoly is more serious threat than a marginal profit news paper. Why a judge is blocking the sale and ownership of the press is not good for
Utah or public protections.
The first question the court will have to answer is do these people who have
filed the case have standing to do so. I doubt it. The Trib's owners
approached the DN and said they wanted out of the printed news, and wanted to
change the JOA. It was done by the owners back east, they didn't even tell
the local Trib managers until after the deal was signed. The Trib
owners aren't interested in pursuing this lawsuit, the court should toss
it, immediately. And the US Justice Department should quickly allow the JOA to
stand as requested by the TRib owners.
I think I'd settle for ONE good paper in Utah. On the Trib side, I have to
wade through all the anti-Mormon stuff to get to the news. On the DN side I
have to wade through all the Mormon mommy blogs and "Top 50 things you need
to know about picking your nose" lists. Heck, even in the DN sports section
I have to wade through 17 articles about what Jimmer Fredette had for his
morning snack, or what Bronco Mendenhall said at his third cousin's wedding
reception before I can find out who won the NBA finals. Fact is, both papers
leave a lot to be desired. The Trib has a bit better reporting of actual news,
so I prefer that paper out of the two. I don't think it's a good
thing to have only the DNews without a challenging voice.
If this agreement wasn't in place, the Trib would fold quickly. Then Kirby
would have to move to the D-News. The Trib is kinda like MSNBC or CNN. No one
watches them and no one reads the Trib any more.
The Trib is simply a rant forum...not a newspaper.
@ Aggie238:If you are so disgruntled with SLC newspapers, just stick
with our local infamous Herald Journal. Then you can get right to the things you
apparently want and will have much less to complain about... which no one enjoys
reading, by the way. No one is forcing you or anyone else to take either
paper. It's not a requirement to take one or the other. With
the WWW Internet, there is a vast news world available to everyone beyond just
these two newspapers... enough to accommodate anyone's and everyone's
tastes in news.It would be a sad scenario if we get to the point
that business owners can't even operate their own businesses as they see
fit. If this group doesn't like the current legal agreement,
let them get a group together to buy out the Tribune so they can then make the
decisions. Until then, it's the legitimate owner's right to make
business decisions as they see fit.
One party suing the second party because the first party made an agreement that
hasn't worked out? Being inept in business is not a reason to bring suit.
@U-tar"They should just join forces and have one paper. They are
already both liberal and anti Mormon."@My2Cents"The
consensus is to eliminate and competition or duplication of socialist news media
that is under the control of federal government in Washington DC which the DN is
affiliated with. "I don't even know where to start in
responding to either of these comments...
Strider303: "What I don't understand is why people who do not own the
Tribune want to tell the owner of the Tribune how to run his business, or tell
him what he can or can't do with his property."And yet that
is exactly the situation under the JOA. Refer to article 10 of the JOA, which
reads: "It is therefore agreed that the present ownership of [Tribune]
shall not be changed without written consent of [DesNews], which shall not be
unreasonably withheld; provided, however, that [DesNews] shall have the
unrestricted discretionary right to withhold its consent..."The
JOA gives "people who do not own the Tribune" (i.e. the DesNews) the
unrestricted right to "tell him what he can or can't do with his
property."Copacetic: "If this group doesn't like the
current legal agreement, let them get a group together to buy out the Tribune so
they can then make the decisions."Any purchase by any group is
subject to veto by the DesNews. See the JOA language quoted above.
Whoa there, Copacetic!Nobody said I approved of either the lawsuit
or the JOA for that matter. I just think it would be a bad thing to lose a
dissenting voice in the community from the whitewashed spin you get from the
Deseret News. And yes, I do read the Herald Journal as well, such as it is. I
also read the Guardian, the Washington Post and articles from other
miscellaneous outlets. Both the Trib and the DN are better sources for state
and sometimes local news than either the HJ or national news outlets, but
there's no harm in wishing they were better.
It states that the Tribune was profitable prior to the implementation of the new
agreement on Jan. 1, but that it is now "hemorrhaging and is no longer
self-sustaining."Well, that isn't true according to the SL
Tribune. Before the JOA was ever even discussed the SL Trib had laid off 20%
of its staff on September 12, 2013. They had laid off other employees earlier
that year, and had done so for a few years before that.Simply put,
their troubles began long before the JOA was renegotiated.
Let's see if I understand the logic. If the current owners of the Tribune,
some hedge fund operators in New York City, decided to just walk away from the
newspaper and not sell it to anyone thus letting it fold up and go away, a group
of former Tribune employees would be asking a federal judge to force the current
owners to keep it up and running? It defies logic and is not going to happen.
And if the Justice Dept voids the new JOA between the Deseret News and the
Tribune I predict that the Deseret News will step out on its own and end its
partnership with the Tribune. Newspapers do not have to nor can they be forced
to operate under a JOA. I would hate to see the demise of the Tribune but
apparently the writing is on the wall.
Jut note that the Tribune circulation is far higher than the D News. People are
reading the Tribune more than the D-News. I wonder what is going on here other
than trying to stifle opposing voices?
The concern by many is that the current out-of-state hedge fund owners have no
connection to the community, to the mission of journalism, or to local history.
The Trib could be a pallet factory or a stick of butter as far as they are
concerned. Like house flippers, they will rip out the old carpet and slap on a
coat of cheap paint and sell it off for a quick bit of cash with nary a concern
about the quality of the rehab job or how well it fits into the neighborhood.
And did we mention that they can only sell the house to someone the next door
neighbor approves of? No smokers or same-sex couples need apply.It's safe to say that without the Trib John Swallow would still be
Attorney General and Oktoberfest would only be serving O'Doul's. We
would not know about doctored yearbook photos, that Days of '47 turned down
Mormons Building Bridges, or how much water the NSA facility is using. Arts
fans would likely never see reviews of edgy material at SLAC or PMT (only Hale
Center and Desert Star farces) or local reviews of films at SLFS.
Just be happy you have/had more than one paper. It's been around 30+ years
since we've had more than one newspaper.