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  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2014 2:26 p.m.

    Maybe he will help them to get to 5-7 this year.

  • from but not of Lindon, UT
    June 13, 2014 2:48 p.m.

    Welcome to Utah Thurm! Game on & you had me at hello. You have "it".

    Word.

  • KYUte Louisville, KY
    June 13, 2014 2:54 p.m.

    Given the fact that last season we were just a few plays (INT's mostly) away from 8-4 (OSU, UCLA and ASU), I'd say we easily surpass 5-7 this year.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    June 13, 2014 2:54 p.m.

    Welcome to Utah, Kendal! Lower humidity and no tornadoes - a fringe benefit of moving out West.

    I certainly hope for the best with Travis Wilson from a health standpoint, and here's to excellent competition elevating all the Utah QBs and getting them ready for a good season.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    June 13, 2014 3:01 p.m.

    I hope it's not just more mediocrity at QB, it's been a major hole in the Utes for the past few years.

  • Fight On! St George, Utah
    June 13, 2014 3:36 p.m.

    Not exactly an impressive highlight film. And to think those were his best plays while playing "garbage" minutes against Iowa State... yikes.

    How do you possibly expect to be competitive in the PAC-12 with your current QB situation? If Wilson does not get the nod, Whittingham has very little in the cupboard as far as experience goes. Of the 4 remaining QB options only 1 has taken a meaningful snap and he is 1-4 as a starter with the single win coming over Colorado. There is definitely talent though, so all hope is not lost.

    I hope your coaches can get things figured out so I can justify spending the money to watch my Trojans beat you in a competitive game in person.

    Fight On!

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2014 4:16 p.m.

    Thanks for the well written article, Dirk. I can't wait to see what this young man brings to the Utes!

    Welcome to Utah, Kendal!!

    Go Utes!

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    June 13, 2014 4:20 p.m.

    Not sold on this guy...

    Really hope on wrong.

  • islandboy Honolulu, HI
    June 13, 2014 5:15 p.m.

    Welcome and good luck!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2014 6:48 p.m.

    I think is Wilson stays healthy a 7-5 record is very possible. But it very well may be that Wilson gets passed up by Kendal or one of the other QB's. Will be interesting to see how it shakes out

    go UTES

  • UU Provo, UT
    June 13, 2014 7:11 p.m.

    @Down under
    "Maybe he will help them to get to 5-7 this year."

    0-4 still stings

  • UU Provo, UT
    June 13, 2014 7:38 p.m.

    Chris B,

    I hope your right about 7-5, but keep in mind the Utes may very well end up with the #1 SOS nationally which would make 7-5 a very tall task.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    June 14, 2014 7:12 a.m.

    It sounds like the Utes have taken cared of business as far as their q/b situation is concerned. Hope all of this translate to a better showing this year, especially within their own conference division. Their SOS is without a doubt among the top in the nation, but it means nothing if they don't take care of business. Hope this year will be the one for them to do it. I do believe more coaching changes will occur if they don't, and Head Coach KW's job will be seriously on the line. Then again, I maybe wrong, and I hope I am because I do like him and hope he stays in Utah for a long time!

    From a diehard Cougar fan, Good luck Utes!

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    June 14, 2014 11:29 a.m.

    Too much of Daddy in this article and I wonder if that might be the reason he is transferring in the first place. The young man is a college graduate and is the father of a child. Let him speak for himself. The fact that he calls coming to Utah a "business decision?" Whoo boy. Good luck to this new Ute and to his family. I hope he has a good and productive two years on the hill.

  • Osgrath Provo, UT
    June 14, 2014 11:52 a.m.

    It's been a long QB drought on the hill, every since Brian Johnson; let's hope all the potential translates into quality play. I agree that with the SOS a 7-5 record is a tall order, but if the team plays as the guys are capable of playing, it is possible.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    June 14, 2014 1:01 p.m.

    Wow. Its either feast or famine at the "U" in the quarterback department. Maybe the "Utes" plan is to put in a new quarterback every game or so to keep everyone off balance. If it works, everyone will be doing it next year.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    June 14, 2014 1:11 p.m.

    Wishing the best for Travis Wilson this year but I suspect Thompson will see the field. Several scenarios for my comment:
    1- Wilson isn't medically cleared and can't play.
    2- Thompson beats out all the other QB's.
    3- Wilson is the starter but gets injured during the year.
    4- Offense is stagnant and we put in the backup QB and move to a spread.
    5- Well behind in a game and he gets in during mop up time to see if he can bring a spark

    I think the Utes can win six games this year and get to a bowl game but the schedule is a killer. If Thompson moves ahead of Cox and Manning, one of the above will happen at some point.

  • Darren Rowe Heber City, UT
    June 14, 2014 3:11 p.m.

    @KYUte

    "Given the fact that last season we were just a few plays (INT's mostly) away from 8-4 (OSU, UCLA and ASU), I'd say we easily surpass 5-7 this year."

    Do you realize that you were also a few plays away from going 1-11 last year? (Utah St, BYU, Stanford, Colorado)

    Here is my prediction for utah this year:

    Non-conference- they win their first 2 games and lose to Michigan. I think most people would have to agree that a 2-1 start is a fair assumption.

    Conference- they have gone from 4-5 to 3-6 to 2-7. I would say that with that trend, winning 1 game is a very real possibility.

    I will still give them 2, maybe 3 conference wins.

    Adding up conference play and non-conference play, that gives them anywhere from a 3-9 to a 5-7 record.

    Meet in the middle, and I predict a 4-8 record this year.

    I'm not saying a bowl game is impossible, but I would say my reasoning for a 4-8 season is pretty fair.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 14, 2014 3:41 p.m.

    Tandj, noted. So what? He's a human being with a family.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    June 14, 2014 5:26 p.m.

    TandJ

    "Note the comment in the article that he is coming to Salt Lake with "his girlfriend and 2-year-old daughter."

    Why?

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 15, 2014 12:49 p.m.

    Darren Rowe
    Heber City, UT

    I'm not saying a bowl game is impossible, but I would say my reasoning for a 4-8 season is pretty fair.

    ---------------

    For once I agree with you.

    2 OOC wins and 2 or 3 conference wins is right where I have Utah this year.

    But most importantly, Whittingham's exit at the end of it all.

    Then next year Utah fans can get really optimistic with a new regime.

  • BYU DUDE Provo, UT
    June 15, 2014 5:09 p.m.

    How cute Daddy's little Boy!

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    June 16, 2014 7:30 a.m.

    KYUte

    "Given the fact that last season we were just a few plays (INT's mostly) away from 8-4 (OSU, UCLA and ASU), I'd say we easily surpass 5-7 this year."

    U were also only a few plays away from 2-10. In addition the 7 losses U did have, U could have easily lost to Utah State, Stanford, and BYU as well.

    I'd say your chances of surpassing 5-7 are no better than 33%.

    Idaho State - win
    Fresno State - tossup
    Michigan - loss
    Washington St - tossup
    UCLA - loss
    Oregon St - loss
    USC - loss
    Arizona St - loss
    Oregon - loss
    Stanford - loss
    Arizona - tossup
    Colorado - tossup

    If U win ALL of your tossups, you'll finish 5-7.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    June 16, 2014 9:41 a.m.

    Are all these people giving predictions the same ones rooting against Idaho State, New Mexico State, Nevada, and other regional powerhouses every week as well?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 16, 2014 11:11 a.m.

    What difference does this make? The utes will be home for the holidays!

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 16, 2014 11:15 a.m.

    Idaho State? Part of a tough schedule?

  • KYUte Louisville, KY
    June 16, 2014 11:44 a.m.

    This is how I see the 2014 season:

    Idaho State - Win
    Fresno State - Win
    Michigan - Win
    Washington St - Win
    UCLA - Toss up
    Oregon St - Win
    USC - Toss up
    Arizona St - Toss up
    Oregon - Toss up
    Stanford - Toss up
    Arizona - Win
    Colorado - Win

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    June 16, 2014 1:03 p.m.

    KYUte

    You're seriously saying that @Michigan and @Oregon St are guaranteed wins, and UCLA, USC, Arizona St, Oregon, and Stanford are toss ups???

    LOL!

    The crimson delusion never ceases to amaze.

    The Utes will have to get very lucky just to win ONE of those games.

  • KYUte Louisville, KY
    June 16, 2014 2:19 p.m.

    @Whasnu

    Those are my predictions.

    - Michigan - We're 1-1 historically with our last meeting in The Big House being an easy W for the Utes.
    - Oregon State - We beat ourselves last year with INT's and Cooks is gone.
    - UCLA - Again, we beat ourselves last year with INT's (6 INT's) and lost by 7.
    - USC - First game of 2013 without Wilson, this year I'm calling it a toss up.
    - Arizona St - Lost it in the 4th with back up QB.
    - Oregon - Replacing all of their receivers, we went toe to toe until the 4th qtr last year with back up QB.
    - Stanford - Won last year and they have lost a lot of good players on defense. Very much a toss up.

    There is no delusion here, my 7-5 season is completely plausible.

  • KYUte Louisville, KY
    June 16, 2014 2:29 p.m.

    Edit to previous post.

    -USC - Wilson was injured.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    June 16, 2014 2:42 p.m.

    Looking at last year's 5-7 record, it is easy to forget how many close games Utah lost.

    - 6 INT against UCLA and we only lost by a touchdown
    - 1 point loss to Arizona St. who we were beating the entire game until the very end
    - Overtime loss to Oregon St.

    If Utah makes 1 more play in all of those games it is an 8-4 season, possibly 9-4 with a bowl win. And that's coming against the #3 SOS in the country. Utah was a good time last year who couldn't finish 3 games.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    June 16, 2014 3:02 p.m.

    KYUte

    "Michigan - We're 1-1 historically with our last meeting in The Big House being an easy W for the Utes."

    LOL!

    You must have been watching a different game than the rest of us, because the Utes barely squeaked out a win over one of the worst Michigan teams in the last half century.

    After three full seasons in the PAC, the Utes still haven't won a road game against PAC opponent with a winning record.

    You lost games because you couldn't throw the ball, and now you're heading into 2014 with the same injury-prone QB who may not even be cleared to play, and a transfer who only completed 4 of 13 passes for 64 yards last season?

    Dream on!

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    June 16, 2014 3:25 p.m.

    "If Utah makes 1 more play in all of those games it is an 8-4 season..."

    It's funny how Utah fans mocked BYU fans in 2012 for saying the exact same thing...

    If BYU makes 1 more play against Utah, Boise State, and Notre Dame, it's an 11-2, Top 10 season, with a road win against one of the teams that played in the BCS championship game.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    June 16, 2014 3:49 p.m.

    "You must have been watching a different game than the rest of us, because the Utes barely squeaked out a win over one of the worst Michigan teams in the last half century."

    I guess you've just discredited byu's 1984 National Championship then.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    June 16, 2014 4:12 p.m.

    Mussingaround,

    I never said anything about byu in my post. I was just making an observation. I guess it was true for byu in 2012. byu failed to make plays to win those games and Utah failed to make plays to win the games last year. Although I don't remember byu having a chance to win the game at the end against Notre Dame. Also, with the 2012 schedule byu played, a 2 loss team would not have resulted in a top 10 finish. Weber St., Hawaii, Idaho, SJSU, SDSU.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    June 16, 2014 9:07 p.m.

    KH

    "I guess you've just discredited BYU's 1984 National Championship then."

    Nice try, but not even close.

    The 1984 Wolverines(6-6) were themselves national championship contenders early in the season and were briefly ranked in the Top 10. If Michigan had beaten Ohio St in their final regular season game, the Wolverines would have been playing in the Rose Bowl, instead of the Holiday Bowl.

    The 2008 Wolverines(3-9) finished 10th in the eleven team Big Ten with the worst record of any Michigan team since 1963, yet the Utes barely slipped past Michigan 27-25 after Michigan missed a potentially game winning FG attempt near the end of the game.

    The only thing ever remotely similar between Michigan 1984 and Michigan 2008 was the name of the school.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    June 16, 2014 9:36 p.m.

    KH

    "with the 2012 schedule BYU played, a 2 loss team would not have resulted in a top 10 finish."

    Going 3-2 against ranked opponents, including road wins at Boise State and at Notre Dame, I wouldn't be so sure that BYU couldn't have climbed into the Top 10 with a bowl win. At the very least, BYU would have equaled their 2009 #12 ranking.

  • Darren Rowe Heber City, UT
    June 16, 2014 10:30 p.m.

    @KYUte

    Your last meeting with Michigan was not an easy win. It was a 2 point squeaker. Also, please realize that in 2008, utah had one of their 2 best teams EVER and Michigan had arguably their worst season EVER. The stars aligned perfectly for utah to barely win.

    Yes, utah was competitive with UCLA last year, but it was at home, and utah has an unusually big difference in their home performance vs. their road performance. Plus UCLA is a top 10 team this year.

    Stanford and Oregon? Please don't trick yourself into thinking you have a good chance to beat them. Sure, you beat Stanford last year. This is what we call an upset. utah is not in the same ballpark as Stanford and Oregon.

    USC is a game that utah might be able to pull out. I'll give you a toss up for that one.

    As for Arizona State and Oregon State, they are road games. Unless utah dramatically changes their road performance, we can assume those will be losses as well.

  • UtesBy5 Syracuse, UT
    June 16, 2014 11:13 p.m.

    @mussingaround:

    "The 1984 Wolverines(6-6) were themselves national championship contenders early in the season and were briefly ranked in the Top 10. If Michigan had beaten Ohio St in their final regular season game, the Wolverines would have been playing in the Rose Bowl, instead of the Holiday Bowl."

    the 1984 Wolverines finished 7th of 10 BIG 10 teams (tied for 6th with Michigan State who beat them). Had Michigan's quarterback, Jim Harbaugh not been injured, would BYU have beaten 6-5 Michigan in a come from behind 24-17 win? Probably not.

    The Utes have an extremely difficult schedule this year and will need to stay healthy to get to a bowl game. I hope Thompson is a stud and can help the Utes end their two year bowless drought.

    Go Thompson! Go Utes!!

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    June 17, 2014 7:37 a.m.

    UtesBy5

    Michigan opened 1984 beating then #1 Miami (final #18) 22-14, lost to #2 Washington 11-20, and was ranked #13 in early October before a rash of injuries mid season derailed their season. The Wolverines ended the season losing at #13 Ohio 6-21 and in their bowl game to #1 BYU 17-24. By the time Michigan faced BYU in the Holiday, all of Michigan's key players except for Harbaugh were back and healthy, including the core of a very good defense.

    Quite obviously, Michigan was a very competitive team against some of the top teams in the country.

    Trying to equate Michigan 1984 to Michigan 2008 is laughable.

  • KYUte Louisville, KY
    June 17, 2014 8:20 a.m.

    Michigan was an easy win in 2008, we were up 25-10 with 9:00 mins left in the game when Whitt let off the gas like he always does and coasted to the close win. Which is why the BYU game was "close", and the reason we lost to ASU.

    Utah matches up well against Stanford's power run game, no "tricking" involved, it will be a good game.

    Oregon is still a toss up because they lost all of their receivers and DAT, and Shulz won't be at the helm.

    Road games have only been an issue the last couple of years and mostly due to injuries, more than just the QB spot.

    Utah is a good program that has been fighting through some adversity, we're making progress and will be back in the hunt for the south title. Quit being such blind haters and have some faith.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    June 17, 2014 9:11 a.m.

    "The 1984 Wolverines(6-6) were themselves national championship contenders early in the season"
    -------
    So was Pitt; spin cycle in full motion.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    June 17, 2014 9:27 a.m.

    KYUte

    "...we were up 25-10 with 9:00 mins left in the game when Whitt let off the gas like he always does and coasted to the close win."

    LOL at your spin.

    Michigan scored first and lead 10-6 at the end of the first quarter. Utah took a 15-point lead into the fourth quarter, but had a punt blocked and fumbled to give Michigan a shot to come back.

    There's no evidence at all that Whit "let off the gas" and "coasted".

    In the fourth quarter, a perfectly lofted a 33-yard touchdown pass and a 3-yard touchdown run on their next drive pulled Michigan within two points midway through the quarter.

    If Michigan's two-point conversion attempt had been successful, the score would have been tied with over 6 minutes remaining in the game and the home team having all of the momentum.

    "Easy win?"

    Only in the minds of those wearing the crimson shades.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    June 17, 2014 9:31 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    The 1984 Wolverines were closer to playing in the Rose Bowl than the Utes will ever be.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    June 17, 2014 10:04 a.m.

    Big Ten 1984 Conference Standings
    Ohio St 7-2
    Illinois 6-3
    Purdue 6-3
    Iowa 5-3-1
    Wisconsin 5-3-1
    Michigan 5-4
    Mich St 5-4

    If Michigan had beaten Ohio St in their regular season finale, Michigan would have been tied for first with Ohio St, Illinois, and Purdue at 6-3, with Michigan owning the tie-breaker for the Rose Bowl.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    June 17, 2014 11:08 a.m.

    @ Rockwell

    Yeah, right, keep telling your self that. What a horrible year for the Big 10 that was. I notice you use the word "if" a lot. I guess you have to as opposed to telling it like it actually is. Sorry, 6-6 is 6-6. No "ifs, ands or buts" required. Did i mention the fact that it was 30 years ago? Move on Guy; Move on!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    June 17, 2014 11:18 a.m.

    Regarding the article; it would be nice to see one of the QBs stand out well above the rest. If that happens to be Thompson; all the better.

    It has to be nice that you have the chance to play in the Rose, Alamo, Sun, Las Vegas, etc. bowl. As opposed to, we will be playing in the Miami Beach Ball bowl vs. the winner of the American conference. American who? Win 6, or win 11, but get your tickets to Miami because thats the only bowl that will take you. Sad, but true. I guess on has to live in the past; especially when your future is so bleak.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    June 17, 2014 11:36 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Unfortunately for U, "IF" isn't in the lexicon of BYU fans when it comes to BYU being a National Championship and Heisman Trophy winning program - both are permanently etched in the history of college football.

    Something Utah fans can only dream about.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    June 17, 2014 11:41 a.m.

    "It has to be nice that you have the chance to play in the Rose, Alamo, Sun, Las Vegas, etc. bowl. As opposed to, we will be playing in the Miami Beach Bowl"

    Don't kid yourself.

    The Utes will be playing in the same bowl they've played in the last two seasons - the couch potato bowl.

    Bowl Sites during the Independent/PAC era

    BYU - Dallas, San Diego, San Francisco, Miami
    Utah - El Paso, home for the holidays

    As far as future bowls for BYU, you obviously don't have a clue what you're talking about.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    June 17, 2014 12:02 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Utah fans are living on the unfulfilled expectations of what they wish was happening, rather than accepting the reality of what's actually happening.

    "Potential" means NOTHING without "fulfillment".

    Arizona fans have been dreaming about the possibility of playing in the Rose Bowl for over 30 years. Utah fans could be dreaming about the same possibility 30 years from now.

    It's laughable that the Utes have been forced to resort to beating their chests about "possibilities", rather than something they've actually accomplished.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    June 17, 2014 12:49 p.m.

    "It has to be nice that you have the chance to play in the Rose, Alamo, Sun, Las Vegas, etc. bowl."

    If bowl possibilities were his main concern, he should have stayed at Oklahoma where at least his team would be playing in a bowl:

    2013
    Utah - none
    Okla - Sugar Bowl

    2012
    Utah - none
    Okla - Cotton Bowl

    2011
    Utah - Sun Bowl (El Paso)
    Okla - Insight Bowl (Phoenix)

    Oklahoma hasn't missed playing in a bowl since 1998.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    June 17, 2014 12:52 p.m.

    talkinsports

    Kind of like BYU dreaming of going to a bowl other than the Beach Ball Bowl? To be reduced to trolling Utah threads trying to justify a NC won by default over 30 years ago. How sad; how truely sad. FYI, Utah played in the Sun bowl 3 years ago. That's a bowl BYU has no chance of ever playing in. Congrats on being locked into an extremely low tier bowl in June. Thats how sorry BYU's future is; it's the only school that can say that. I used to feel kind of bad for BYU, but not any more. The school and the Pompous fan base are exactly where they deserve to be; on the outside looking in. Quick, to the time machine.

    DeepBlue

    Umm, Utah has been in the PAC 12 for 3 years; hardley 30. Nice try though. Pretty sad to be reduced to hoping others can do what your team can't: beat Utah.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    June 17, 2014 1:22 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Kinda like Utah fans just making stuff up to help them sleep at night.

    Arizona fans talked a lot about playing in the Rose Bowl when the Wildcats joined the PAC. 30 years later its still nothing but talk.

    Utah fans talked a lot about being able to compete with anybody, before the Utes joined the PAC. 4-5, 3-6, 2-7 has proven that it was nothing but talk.

    As far as future bowls go, BYU has already accepted an invitation to play in the Poinsettia Bowl in 2015 as well as one other date to be announced later. Unlike the Utes, there a lots of bowls that would love to have the Cougars.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    June 17, 2014 1:30 p.m.

    Well Spoken Spokane Ute. I have never seen a fan base talk so much trash on their rival after being beaten by their rival for four straight years as byu does. If you didn't know any better you'd think byu was the team on the 4 game winning streak over their rival.

    The sad thing for byu fans is that 1984 keeps getting farther and farther away with every passing year.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 17, 2014 1:38 p.m.

    "Utah played in the Sun bowl 3 years ago. That's a bowl BYU has no chance of ever playing in."

    Thank goodness. Who in their right mind would want to spend New Year's Eve in El Paso.

    I'd much rather spend bowl week in Dallas, San Diego, San Francisco or Miami.

  • KYUte Louisville, KY
    June 17, 2014 1:56 p.m.

    @all the BYU fans talking about bowls

    There are a lot of comments about the Utes missing a bowl the last two years, followed by "prophecies" of a continued drought based on said two years.

    Here is some food for thought...

    How many consecutive years did Utah miss a bowl game since 2000? 2
    What conference did they play in during said bowl-less streak? PAC12

    How many consecutive years did Stanford miss a bowl game since 2000? 7
    What conference did they play in during said bowl-less streak? PAC10

    How Many Consecutive years did Washington miss a bowl game since 2000? 7
    What conference did they play in during said bowl-less streak? PAC10

    How many consecutive years did BYU miss a bowl game since 2000? 3
    What conference did they play in during said bowl-less streak? Mountain West

    Thoughts?

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2014 2:04 p.m.

    KH

    You and Spokane Ute are living proof that Utah fans care more about beating BYU than about playing in a bowl.

    The sad thing for U is the closest Utah will ever get to the twin symbols of ultimate team and individual achievement in major college football are the "dusty" Crystal Football National Championship Trophy and the Heisman Trophy displayed proudly in BYU's Legacy Hall of Fame.

    Despite Utah having a mini-run of head-to-head success versus BYU, the Utes still lag far behind BYU in overall success.

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 4
    Kyle 2

    11+ Win, Top 15 Finishes
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    Conference Championships
    Bronco 2
    Kyle 1

    Bowl Games
    Bronco 9
    Kyle 7

    Besides Kyle's one great flash-in-the-pan season in 2008, what else has he done except win a few close games against BYU?

  • KH Holladay, UT
    June 17, 2014 2:20 p.m.

    LoneStarRunner,

    The fact that Utah has no problem beating byu the last 4 years and 9 of the last 12 years and then struggles in the PAC 12 suggests that maybe Utah hasn't made a bowl game the last 2 years due to strength of schedule. Do you honestly believe Utah wouldn't have the same record that byu has had the last two years if they had byu's soft schedule? Actually Utah would have 1 more win and 1 fewer loss each year due to the fact that Utah beat byu the last two years.

    Something byu fans just don't understand is that it is harder to beat a team like Oregon, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Washington, etc. than beating a team like Savannah St., Idaho, Idaho St., New Mexico St., Middle Tennessee St.

    byu will go on winning a lot of games this year and brag about it to Utah fans. But remember, it doesn't mean much when you beat Savannah St by 50 points.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2014 2:39 p.m.

    KYUte

    Here is some food for thought...

    Three years after joining the WAC in 1962, Utah won their first WAC championship, played in the Liberty Bowl, and cracked the Coaches poll for the first time.

    At that point BYU had never won a conference championship or played in a bowl.

    By the time Utah played in their next bowl, in 1992,

    BYU had won a National Championship, a Heisman Trophy, had played in SIXTEEN bowl games, and been ranked in the AP and Coaches polls TEN times.

    Utah didn't even crack the AP poll until 1994.

    And all of that happened while Utah was still in the WAC.

    How do know that Utah won't have another losing year in 2014, fire Whittingham, and go into a funk just like their basketball program did after Majerus left?

    It could be years before Utah plays in another bowl game.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    June 17, 2014 3:29 p.m.

    KH

    14 of the last 17 BYU-Utah games have been decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes or in overtime, including 3 of the last 4 games.

    The fact that Utah has won a slight majority of those close games (8 of 14) doesn't prove anything except that Utah has gotten extremely lucky bounces to pull off several of those wins.

    It's laughable that you think BYU fans don't understand what it takes to beat PAC 12 teams.

    Let's review.

    Versus PAC 12 Teams
    Bronco 9-9
    Kyle 13-21

    Bronco has a winning record versus 5 of the 8 PAC 12 teams BYU has faced and has beaten all of them, except California, at least once - UCLA(2-1), Washington(2-1), Wash St(1-0), Oregon(1-0), Oregon St(2-1), Arizona(1-2), Utah(3-6), and California(0-1).

    Kyle has a losing record versus 6 of 11 PAC 12 teams he's faced and has never beaten Washington, Oregon, USC, or ASU - USC(0-3), Washington(0-2), Oregon(0-1), Arizona St(0-3), UCLA(2-3), Oregon St(2-3), Arizona(2-2), Washington St(2-1), Colorado(2-1), Stanford(1-0), and California(2-1).

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    June 17, 2014 3:34 p.m.

    @Utesby5

    You forgot to mention how horrendous the Big 10 was in 1984. Almost as bad as the WAC itself. Ranked 8th and 9th respectively, behind the SWAC and, well, 6 others. Michigan finished in the lower half of a terrible conference.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2014 4:25 p.m.

    @ skywalker

    The fact that Utah has won a majority of close games proves they are a better team. BYU hasn't even held a lead on Utah since the first half of 2011.

    Also, are you really going to sit there and compare Oregon of 2006 to Oregon now. Or UW of 2008 to their program today? BYU got a first hand taste last season about how much the Huskies have changed. Also, it should be mentioned that BYU doesn't have to face these teams week in and week out like Utah does. It makes a huge difference

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    June 17, 2014 4:35 p.m.

    @thebigsamoan:

    You're always a class act!

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    June 17, 2014 5:24 p.m.

    truthsandwich

    You forgot to mention that as "bad" as Michigan 1984 was, Michigan 2008 was so bad that Michigan 1984 would have beaten the tar out of Michigan 2008.

    It's laughable how Utah fans love to nit pik every BYU win - Washington, Oregon, Oklahoma, Texas - while proclaiming every Utah win over a P5 conference team a monumental win, regardless of how mediocre the team Utah played really was.

    Apply your BYU opponent measuring stick to Utah's 2004 schedule and you'll see just how mediocre Utah 2004 was.

    After beating Alabama, Utah fans claimed that Utah could compete with anybody in the country. Now that reality has smacked U in the face, all U can do is whine about how tough it is for Utah to beat PAC 12 teams - something that strangely seems to be a lot easier for BYU to do.

    The fact that BYU has had more overall success proves that BYU is better than Utah.

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 4
    Kyle 2

    11+ Win, Top 15 Finishes
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    Bronco has more 11+ win seasons since 2006, than Utah has had in their entire history.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    June 17, 2014 7:48 p.m.

    @marked it down

    "Apply your BYU opponent measuring stick to Utah's 2004 schedule and you'll see just how mediocre Utah 2004 was."

    Sure. Utah went undefeated against a higher strength of schedule than '84 BYU, and never won by less than 14 points.

    If that was mediocre, how would you describe '84 BYU's opponents?
    (Hint: Sports Illustrated describes them as not good enough to merit a NC in the world we currently live in)

    That one came back to bite you, didn't it.

    "all U can do is whine about how tough it is for Utah to beat PAC 12 teams - something that strangely seems to be a lot easier for BYU to do."

    Wrong again. Since joining the PAC12, Utah has a higher winning percentage than BYU against PAC12 teams. Oops.

    "The fact that BYU has had more overall success proves that BYU is better than Utah."

    Clearly four beat downs in a row has got you in the denial stages of the grieving process. But congrats on getting all those wins against a schedule full of Savanna States and Virginias.. wait...

    Remind me how many ranked teams you guys beat last year?

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    June 17, 2014 8:31 p.m.

    truthsandwich

    Despite all of your spinning,

    BYU 1984 finished #1/#1
    Utah 2004 finished #4/#5

    Obviously, SOS is not the overriding factor Utah fans claim it to be. And by BCS standards, margin of victory is MEANINGLESS, yet you continue to cite Utah's margins of victory in 2004.

    "Sports Illustrated describes them as not good enough to merit a NC in the world we currently live in."

    Correction: ONE writer at Sports Illustrated, THREE decades after the fact, claims that he knows more about how deserving BYU was of winning the 1984 National Championship, than the THIRTY-EIGHT sports journalists of the day who voted BYU #1.

    Utah 1944 wouldn't even have been invited to the NIT or NCAA based on today's standards.

    It's laughable how you conveniently choose to ignore the little details that don't fit your BYU hating narrative.

  • scott Alpine, UT
    June 17, 2014 9:19 p.m.

    truthsandwich

    "Since joining the PAC12, Utah has a higher winning percentage than BYU against PAC12 teams."

    Laughing hysterically at how you have to slice and dice things to help you sleep at night.

    Versus the PAC 12

    During the Bronco/Kyle era:
    BYU 9-9 (50%)
    Utah 13-21 (38%)

    During the Ind/PAC era:
    Versus PAC 12
    BYU 2-5 (29%)
    Utah 9-18 (33%)

    Bowl Games
    BYU 3
    Utah 1

    Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    Remind us how many ranked teams Utah beat in 2012?

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2014 9:23 p.m.

    @ CordonBleu

    2004 Utah had a great season, but they did not do enough to be the number one team, or even to secure a spot in the NCG. We feel the same way about 1984 BYU. They have the weakest resume of any national champion and they certainly wouldn't be considered for a national championship by current standards.

    "Utah 1944 wouldn't even have been invited to the NIT or NCAA based on today's standards."

    Nobody brought that up. Also, Ute fans typically don't bring it up, and we especially don't use it to try and prove our program's relevance in today's world. That is a subtle difference between the two fan bases.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    June 17, 2014 11:32 p.m.

    2fer

    Who cares whether you and the rest of the hill crowd feels that BYU didn't "deserve" to be #1 in 1984?

    The majority of national sportswriters and major college coaches disagree with your biased opinion.

    As far as relevance in today's world:

    AP Top 25 Finishes since 2006
    BYU 4
    Utah 2

    11+ Win, Top 25 Seasons since 2006
    BYU 3
    Utah 1

    From a national perspective, Utah had one great season while they were still in the MWC, but have proven that they can't compete in a big boy conference.

    ----------------

    "Utah 1944 wouldn't even have been invited to the NIT or NCAA based on today's standards."

    Nobody brought that up.

    Of course you wouldn't, because it proves what a farce your "by today's standards" narrative really is.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    June 18, 2014 12:34 a.m.

    You forgot Robbie Bosco (and common sense). He said that team's resume would have landed them 4th or 5th by today's standards, where strength of schedule matters.

    The fact that Y fans keep trying to justify the NC by comparing '84 BYU to a Utah team from the modern era that wasn't awarded a championship at all, speaks volumes.

    Yes, BYU was awarded a crystal football in 1984. We're just recognizing they got it by beating the worst teams in college football, then a bad team from a bad conference in a lower-tier bowl. Crystal Football in the modern era? Not even close.

    Robbie Bosco, Sports Illustrated, and reasonable thinkers agree.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    June 18, 2014 12:40 a.m.

    @Scott

    You forgot-

    VS. each other in the past 4 years:

    Utah 4-0 (100%)
    BYU 0-4 ( 0% )

    Don't forget to "laugh hysterically at how you had to slice and dice that out to help you sleep at night."

    LOL

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    June 18, 2014 8:13 a.m.

    truthsandwich

    Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but versus "each other" only gives U local bragging rights, it's meaningless as far as national relevance goes.

    National rankings, overall records, and bowl games are far more relevant on a national scale than individual head-to-head results that nobody else in the country even cares about.

    Robbie Bosco, when asked immediately after the game whether BYU deserved to be #1 answered emphatically, "YES"! I was at the game and saw him answer the question.

    You're straining at a gnat trying to suggest that the opinion of one lone writer for Sports Illustrated, 30 years after the fact, carries more weight than the 38 national sportswriters of the day who did feel that BYU deserved to win the 1984 National Championship.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    June 18, 2014 8:57 a.m.

    truthsandwich

    Two questions to test how much you really know about college football:

    What is Utah's highest placement EVER in the "Crystal Football" rankings?

    What changes, in detail, have been made from 1984 to the "modern era" in the AP rankings?

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    June 18, 2014 12:53 p.m.

    @Solomon

    "Robbie Bosco, when asked immediately after the game whether BYU deserved to be #1 answered emphatically, "YES"!"

    Haha was he supposed to yell "NO!"?

    Of course he said that. In 1984.

    Much more recently however, he has stated that their resume of only beating bad teams would have landed them 4th or 5th in the modern era. Can you explain that?

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    June 18, 2014 2:08 p.m.

    truthsandwich

    Who cares what quote you take completely out of context 30 years after the fact?

    The fact remains that BYU won the 1984 National Championship as voted on by the majority of AP and Coaches pollsters.

    Get over your jealous tizzy fit and just accept that BYU's national championship was just as legitimate as any other major college football national championship ever won.

    BYU finished 1984 on a 24-game winning streak, with back-to-back Top 7 finishes, 5 Top 12 Finishes in 6 years, and had clearly built enough national cachet with the pollsters to warrant being selected #1 even with a less than stellar 1984 SOS.

    If you want undeniable PROOF of that claim, stop by BYU's Legacy Hall of Fame anytime to view ALL FIVE National Championship Trophies presented by ALL FIVE Major College Football National Championship selecting organizations of the day.

    btw, I noticed that you completely dodged talkinsports' questions to you.

    Can you explain that?

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    June 18, 2014 2:12 p.m.

    "Much more recently however, he has stated that their resume of only beating bad teams would have landed them 4th or 5th in the modern era."

    Do you have any verifiable proof that Bosco's taken-out-of-context "opinion" is in fact true?

    Can you prove, unequivocally, that the team ranked #1 in both the Coaches and AP polls wouldn't have been invited to the BCS championship game and wouldn't have been able to beat whichever team BYU faced?

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 18, 2014 2:21 p.m.

    truthsandwich

    By today's standards, neither Utah 2004 nor Utah 2008 would have been invited to the playoffs.

    Does that invalidate Utah's BCS bowl wins?

    Maybe you should give back that Fiesta Bowl trophy because Utah's resume of only beating bad teams proves that they didn't deserve to be playing in a major bowl.

  • sooner1 edmond, OK
    June 18, 2014 2:28 p.m.

    Fight On, I wouldn't discount Kendals ability too much as your Trojans aren't much to speak of and Thompson, if he earns it and I believe he will, is a handful on the field with his speed and accuracy. Did you see that ESPN rated OU as the #1 school for QB's so Kendal has come from some significant coaching. He is extremely cerebral and accurate with his passes. He was actually considered second only to Landry Jones in accuracy and was in fact the choice to start last year prior to getting injured first day of summer ball. The UTES are getting a big time player and he will show so quickly. He has too. Fortunately he knows how to approach the game from his time at OU and I believe his teammates will really take to him. Don't count that game a win just yet:)

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2014 2:30 p.m.

    @ Solomon Levi

    I'm not going to play the cherry-picking timeline game. Relevant teams don't compare "top 25" finishes. Seriously, can you imagine Alabama fans bragging about top 25 finished since 2006?

    "From a national perspective, Utah had one great season while they were still in the MWC, but have proven that they can't compete in a big boy conference."

    The exact same thing can be said about TCU. Yet, the Horned Frogs are still head and shoulders above BYU. It's hilarious to me that BYU fans somehow think they could step in and compete in a P5 conference, when the two former premier programs in the MWC are struggling to do so.

    "Of course you wouldn't, because it proves what a farce your "by today's standards" narrative really is."

    Not really. 1944 Utah wouldn't make the tournament today. 1984 BYU wouldn't even sniff the NCG. The difference: Ute fans don't pound their chest about 1944 saying they belong in a P5 conference. Nobody even talks about it unless BYU fans bring it up first.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    June 18, 2014 2:36 p.m.

    truthsandwich

    The fundamental flaw in your whole narrative is this:

    Historical events do not occur in isolation.

    To objectively evaluate an event "by today's standards" you'd have to move everything associated with that event to today to place it in the proper context.

    In other words, you'd have to include at least everything that was happening in college football from the 1979 season, when BYU really began their run to the 1984 National Championship, all the way up to the moment AP and Coaches poll voter cast the ballots.

    Not only would you have to include what was happening with BYU, but what was happening with every other college football team from 1979 to 1984, to get a true picture of where BYU fit in to the college football landscape.

    Simply saying BYU's SOS wasn't strong enough to warrant a national championship is a simplistic approach that completely ignores the context in which BYU won the national championship.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    June 18, 2014 3:10 p.m.

    2fer

    re: "From a national perspective, Utah had one great season while they were still in the MWC, but have proven that they can't compete in a big boy conference."

    "The exact same thing can be said about TCU. Yet, the Horned Frogs are still head and shoulders above BYU."

    Still???

    Then how do you explain:

    2013
    BYU 41 Texas 20
    TCU 7 Texas 30

    ---------------------

    "Relevant teams don't compare "top 25" finishes."

    Actually, to be relevant, on a national scale, don't you at least have to finish in the Top 25 once in a while.

    Of course, it's understandable why Utah fans would avoid comparing Top 25 finishes like the plague - the Utes only have FIVE AP Top 25 finishes in their entire history, NONE before 1994, and only TWO during the Bronco/Kyle era.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    June 18, 2014 3:17 p.m.

    twofer

    "Ute fans don't pound their chest about 1944 saying they belong in a P5 conference. Nobody even talks about it unless BYU fans bring it up first."

    Don't kid yourself; Utah fans are constantly pounding their chests about Utah's NCAA championship and Final Four appearances any time they start comparing Utah's overall basketball program to BYU's.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2014 5:17 p.m.

    @ Rockwell

    The transitive property does not work in college football. Utah beat Stanford, who beat ASU, who beat Utah. Or Stanford beat WSU, who beat USC, who beat Stanford.

    BYU was blown out by TCU the last four times they played them, and has lost 5 of the last 6 against Utah. What honestly makes you believe that BYU has the depth to compete with the big boys when two programs who own BYU are struggling to do so?

    Also, Utah will eventually get back to the top 25, and when they do it will mean something. BYU will continue building the majority of its wins on the back of mediocre competition. I guess you guys enjoy that.

    @ deductive reasoning

    Utah's 1947 NIT title was more impressive than the NCAA one in 44, but those happened a LONG time ago. All-time, Utah's program is better than BYU's. But what happened in the 40's is only a very small part of the reason why.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2014 5:21 p.m.

    @ Snack PAC

    No, because Utah would still be invited to one of the other 4 BCS bowls, or whatever they're going to call them now.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    June 18, 2014 8:12 p.m.

    2fer

    "The transitive property does not work in college football."

    LOL at your typical Ute spin.

    If comparative scores don't work for you, what evidence do you have that "...the Horned Frogs are still head and shoulders above BYU" except for your own BYU-hating biased opinion?

    2013
    BYU 41 Texas 20
    TCU 7 Texas 30

    BYU(8-5)
    TCU(4-8)

    Sagarin
    #35 BYU
    #48 TCU

    By record, ranking, and comparative score, BYU is now clearly better than TCU.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    June 18, 2014 8:23 p.m.

    "BYU was blown out by TCU the last four times they played them, and has lost 5 of the last 6 against Utah."

    Which proves absolutely NOTHING for 2014 and beyond.

    The last BYU-TCU game, at TCU in 2011, ended 28-38.
    The last BYU-Utah game, in 2013, ended 13-20.
    The last TCU-Utah game, at Utah in 2010, ended 7-47.

    Hardly overwhelming victories for either TCU or Utah, but a clear indication that TCU is head and shoulders over Utah, although have become bottom feeders in big boy conferences.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    June 18, 2014 8:28 p.m.

    "Utah's 1947 NIT title was more impressive than the NCAA one in 44..."

    So were BYU's 1951 and 1966 NIT titles.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2014 9:04 p.m.

    @ deductive reasoning

    It's not spin. I showed you exactly why the transitive property doesn't work. "Stanford beat WSU, who beat USC, who beat Stanford"

    "Which proves absolutely NOTHING for 2014 and beyond."

    TCU's dominance of BYU towards the end of the MWC and Utah's record against the Cougs in the MWC and the three years thereafter indicate that both Utah and TCU had stronger programs at the time they changed conferences. Both Utah and TCU immediately saw a decrease in conf. wins, while the non-conference wins have remained steady. This indicates that SOS is the reason win totals have decreased. If BYU ever played a top 15 SOS the Cougars would only win 4-5 games, just like the Utes and Frogs. Until BYU does that, any record comparison is meaningless.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    June 18, 2014 11:11 p.m.

    BYU's crowning achievement in '84 was barely beating the 24th best team in the country.

    This was an NC in '84. It would not be close to an NC in the modern era. So far I've seen two BYU fans on these boards cede this simple fact. It's not hard. Even Robbie Bosco did it.

    Can you name another team that has since been awarded a National Championship without beating any top 20 teams?

    In any major college sport?

    Sincerely curious.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    June 19, 2014 6:46 a.m.

    2fer

    As has been cited ad nauseum, 14 of the last 17 BYU-Utah games have been decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes or in overtime, clearly indicating that BYU and Utah have been very closely matched, head-to-head, during the last 17 years.

    Adding 1996, the year of BYU's last "dominant" win, on a broader, overall, national scale, BYU has clearly had the edge.

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 6
    Utah 4

    11+ Win, Top 15 Finishes
    BYU 5
    Utah 2

    Conference Championships
    BYU 5
    Utah 3

    10+ Win Seasons
    BYU 7
    Utah 5

    Higher Sagarin Rating
    BYU 10
    Utah 8

    Bowl Games
    BYU 13
    Utah 12

    Seasons with tougher SOS:
    BYU 9
    Utah 9

    Your whiny SOS argument is simply a whiny excuse for losing. The Utes have lagged behind BYU in overall records, rankings, and conference championships since 1972.

    The Utes have NEVER qualified for a bowl game with a Top 40 SOS.

    BYU qualified for a bowl in 2013 with the #38 SOS.

    Kyle is always losing to perennial conference bottom dwellers like Wyoming, Colorado St, New Mexico, UNLV, Washington St, and Colorado.

    Bronco is undefeated versus Wyoming, Colorado St, New Mexico, UNLV, and Washington St.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    June 19, 2014 7:39 a.m.

    truthsandwich

    BYU's crowning achievement in 1984 was finishing an undefeated season with a 24-game winning streak and back-to-back Top 7 finishes to win a

    CONSENSUS Major College Football National Championship!

    Obviously, what BYU accomplished in 1984 was good enough for the majority of national sportswriters and major college coaches to vote BYU #1 in both major polls.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    June 19, 2014 8:33 a.m.

    truthsandwich

    You're full of talk about how "undeserving" BYU was of winning the 1984 National Championship, so here's your chance to prove your point.

    Give us your best argument as to which 1984 team you think was more deserving than BYU of winning the 1984 major college football national championship.

    Keep in mind, BYU rose to #1 in both polls in mid-November 1984 and remained #1 throughout the remainder of the season including the final poll. BYU's season was carefully scrutinized by fans, coaches, and the national media for over a month, along with the merits of each of the other contenders - Washington, Nebraska, Oklahoma and Florida - yet, after more than a month of endless examination, the majority of coaches and sportswriters on the Coaches and AP polls still felt that BYU was more deserving of winning the 1984 National Championship than any other team.

    You obviously disagree with the opinions of the majority of experts, so here's your chance to give us your best armchair quarterbacking opinion.

    Good luck...

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2014 1:42 p.m.

    @ deductive reasoning

    I didn't check the rest of your numbers, but Utah had 4 conf. titles in the MWC. Also, BYU has been to more bowl games but I know Utah has more bowl wins. That's what really matters, right?

    SOS is not a whiny excuse for losing. Playing a top 5 SOS is a completely valid reason for why Utah was not able to reach a bowl game. Six of the teams on Utah's schedule finished in Sagarin's top 25, with Utah going 1-5. BYU played two, and wasn't competitive with ether of them.

    Every team suffers bad losses. Most of Utah's took place between 2005 and early 2007. WSU last year was not a bad loss. Also to be fair, the year Bronco beat WSU (30-6), Utah also beat them (49-6).

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2014 1:53 p.m.

    @ Solomon Levi

    Not true. In 1951 the NCAA Tournament expanded to 16 teams and made it mandatory for the champions of the top-10 conferences to participate. Since that time the NCAA has been the premier tournament.

    The champion in 1951 was Kentucky.

    Texas Western was the champ in 1966. The movie Glory Road was based on their story.

    Side Note: Jerry Chambers from Utah was named the Most Outstanding Player of the tournament that year.

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2014 2:30 p.m.

    Two For Flinching

    "Playing a top 5 SOS is a completely valid reason for why Utah was not able to reach a bowl game."

    Utah only played a Top 5 schedule in 2013; in 2012, Utah played the 41st-ranked schedule and still didn't qualify for a bowl, while BYU, playing the 38th toughest schedule in 2013 did qualify for a bowl.

    "In 1951 the NCAA Tournament expanded to 16 teams and made it mandatory for the champions of the top-10 conferences to participate. Since that time the NCAA has been the premier tournament."

    BYU's 28-9 record in 1951, with 3 decisive wins in the NIT
    and
    BYU's 20-5 record in 1966, with 3 decisive wins in the NIT

    both against real college teams made up of junior- and senior- laden teams

    was still far more impressive than Utah's 6-1 record in 1944 versus college teams made up of freshmen and a few sophomores, with an opening round loss in the NIT

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2014 2:42 p.m.

    Two For Flinching

    "Most of Utah's [bottom feeding losses] took place between 2005 and early 2007."

    Utah was SHUT OUT by 10-loss UNLV 0-27 a week after destroying UCLA 44-6.

    You left out two glaring losses:

    Utah's 2011 home loss to Colorado(3-10) 14-17, with a gift-wrapped PAC South there for the taking, and the Utes playing a team that hadn't won a road game in four years.

    Utah's 2013 road loss to Washington State(6-7) 37-49, a game that would have given Utah chance to finish 6-6 and possibly go to a bowl. WSU lost to Colorado St in the New Mexico Bowl, not exactly a juggernaut.

    Blaming your inability to qualify for a bowl in 2013 on SOS is laughable when all you had to do was beat two teams that finished with losing records to qualify for a possible bowl.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2014 7:35 p.m.

    @ No playoff for U

    2012 and 2013 are completely different years, which makes the SOS comparison one of Apples to Oranges. In 2013, I believe Utah would have easily qualified for a bowl playing the 38th ranked SOS.

    Utah was shutout by UNLV, early in 2007 just like I said. It was a bad loss, just like CU was in 2011. Washington St. was not a bad team last year. They finished ranked 40th (Sagarin). CSU really wasn't a bad team either. The Rams are starting to invest some serious money into their program and they seem to have found a pretty good coach with McElwain.

    BYU had a great run in the NIT those two years. It still was the lesser of the two tournaments at the time.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2014 7:39 p.m.

    "Blaming your inability to qualify for a bowl in 2013 on SOS is laughable when all you had to do was beat two teams that finished with losing records to qualify for a possible bowl."

    Utah only lost to one team with a losing record, which was WSU. As stated before, they were not a bad team.