This country still has 12% of it's workers looking for full time work (not
counting those who are disgusted with labor conditions in this country and left
the workforce). We graduate three Stem graduates each year for every new job
created. There is no shortage of labor in this country, only a shortage of
honest businessmen. We don't need immigration reform, we need
business welfare reform. We need an intervention to get business off from the
cheap illegal labor and work visas they have used to get cheap labor, subsidized
by the American taxpayer.
Why blame Congress? Obama does not enforce the immigration laws we have now so
please explain what good more useless laws on the book will do?
Sure sounds like another Amnesty supporter to me. A way for illegals to come out
of the shadows? Hah where are these shadows? Illegals are very visible so that
out of the shadows is malarkey. The system is not broken the laws are
Scott, Yeah, yeah, yeah. All that stuff you said we have all heard a thousand
times. All we, who oppose a new immigration bill are asking is that THIS TIME
the border is secured FIRST. And if you have been following the news lately
Scott, our southern border is now about as secure as Afghanistan and Iraq. The
last time a major bill was passed it was supposedly a security/legalization two
part deal. Well, the legalization part went fine. The security part went
nowhere. Please excuse us skeptics who don't believe it will be any
different this time. We want action on the border first. And all that Obama
administration talk about how secure the border is, has been thrown completely
out the window with what is going on down there now. Fool us 10 times shame on
us. Fool us 11 times shame on you.
"Good immigration reform does not equal amnesty". Oh I wish that were
true. But every DC politician really thinks it should. How about some border
enforcement reform? We all know "who keeps Zion in business" so Scott
is a bit biased. Viva LEGAL immigration and let the border patrol stop the
invasion. Oh....and lumping illegals with immigrants is not being truthful.
Agreed. And there's no way. Virginia.
Action by the House? Oh, that's funny! If the business
community wants to get this issue addressed by Congress, supporting the
Republicans is exactly the wrong thing to do.
It may be that at some point the U.S. will collapse from lawlessness, but I can
see no reason why any amnesty for illegal immigrants would be a factor. To the
contrary, I and most Americans believe that as a nation of laws that encourages
respect for one another, a compassionate approach with a path to citizenship for
certain of the undocumented would only make us stronger. The idea that somehow
vengeance is necessary seems to me highly inappropriate.
Businessmen and their dollars will start flocking to the Democrats and with the
support of immigrants, minorities and woman the GOP will become a fringe party
made up of southern flag waving, white men. Hardly enough to win a national
election. Intelligent conservatives see the probable outcome if they don't
help solve the issue. If you're a supporter of the GOP ask yourself if you
want to have a seat at the table in a few years or not.
I could support a path to citizenship for those brought as children when they
had no control as long as they serve honorably in the armed forces and they are
not allowed to sponsor anyone else into the country. Immigration reform does
NOT have to include a path to citizenship for the rest, however. Legal
residency upon certain conditions and the payment of fines and fees, but NOT
citizenship.Esquire,Actually the house has passed plenty of
legislation - it's the dem controlled senate where legislation dies.
Perhaps not immigration related bills but just about everything else.and why should the GOP work with BO? he has backed out of almost every deal
he struck with them - or been forced to back out by harry and chuckie schumer.
BO and the dems have shown they cannot be trusted and "working" with
them only means capitulating to them.FT,businessmen and the
dollars will start flocking othe the dems? Why? They do not want their
hard-earned dollar confiscated and "redistributed"
FTThat was what people were saying after 2008. And it might have
become true, but for the inept Obama administration and Democrat Party in
general. The only way the Democrats hold power is if they become much more
conservative and realize that conservatives have as much influence and numbers
as liberals in America. Polling shows that. The center then makes the call in
elections, and, as we saw in 2010 they went Republican in the House. And it is
interesting that you mention businessmen and their dollars. Isn't one of
the tenants of your party that big money is bad for our political system.
Isn't your side the one that decries the Citizens United decision? Better
check what your values really are. And by the way, the Republican Party has
many minorities in high profile offices right now, so that thing about a white
only party is really not true. The Republicans tent has gotten bigger, not
I wonder what the SALARY is of the author? High 6 figures maybe even 7?I wonder how many illegal alien trespassers live on his street? I
wonder if he, or any of his family have been a victim of illegal alien
trespassers' crimes?He's not the ONLY elitist who thinks
they know what is good for illegal trespassers but 1%ers like him can always
move to the Bahamas or Europe when the Wasatch front becomes the "Tijuana of
the Rockies". No problem!!I'm sorry to see this issue
become an "R" vs. "D" issue. We SHOULD all want higher
employment for our (legal)neighbors.We already have immigration laws,
that, if they were enforced, WOULD work pretty well. Except for employers who
want cheap labor, that is.
When has the house done anything?Oh wait, they shut down the
government last fall...I mean, anything constructive?
What does the author really want? It looks to me like what he really, really
wants is cheap labor. He's not willing to pay workers what they will work
for, so his solution is to import people who will work for less.Let's do the math. At $7.50 per hour, it would take a worker 66 hours to
pay rent on a run-down shack that costs only $500 per month. Good luck on
finding a rental at that price that's habitable. It would take another 46
hours to buy a piece-of-junk car at $200 a month, $100 for gas and $50 for
liability insurance. People have to eat. Figure $10 a day, or $300 a month.
(Just try feeding a family for $10 per day.) That's another 40 hours a
month. We already at 152 hours. That leave 21 hours a month to pay for
clothing, health insurance, school supplies, and everything else.Who's going to pay for the education of the children of those immigrants?
Who's going to pay their medical bills?Importing people to
starve in America is not the solution.
@ lost in DC, consistent, kudos for that. And truly one of the great fiction
writers in history.
I still marvel that conservatives are against a market based solution, law of
supply and demand, reduced government interference. Instead, they argue for
more government, more spending, controlling the economy, fighting the realities
of a freer marketplace.
The House?hahaha, you've gotta be kidding.You mean
the guys with a 9% approval rating?...and the GOP is wondering why
Eric Cantor was handed his hat and shown the door...
The author has the same name as the President of Zions bank. Usually the DN
includes such information. Amnesty, residency just furthers the
dishonesty, people dying, families being separated (by their actions). The
stories the last few days are proof that we need to get a handle on this
situation, and start enforcing the laws of the land. Check the
congressional records, more immigration bills have been filed by the House than
the senate, including a bill to force the government into enforcing laws passed
in the 1986 immigration reform. e-verify, border, interior enforcement, more
judges and court personnel.
Esquire,cannot refute what I said,cannot deny that legilsation dies
in the senate after being passed in the houseso you resort to the
typical/consistent dem response. personal attack.thanks for the
consistencyMavericktoo much MSNBC for you!the house
passed legislation to keep the government open but harry never let it come to a
vote in the senate. It was harry who really shut down the government. Esquire -
see how I can cite actual events, while you just call names?
I guess you missed the Cantor election in Virginia. The message, there is no
negotiating on this issue among the GOP ranks. Since it is unlikely the GOP
will win back the Congress AND the Presidency, I guess we should expect more of
Re: "Good immigration reform does not equal amnesty."Yeah,
it does. At least the immigration "reform" referred to as "good"
by way too many liberal and business special interests.Immigration
amnesty has so torqued thinking about labor markets in the US that disgusting,
unethical business interests feel safe in arguing for perpetually embracing
those failed policies, though they know such policies create enormous problems
for real people -- American and immigrant. And there reason for doing so is
entirely venal.Control of our borders is the primary function of the
federal government. It has abandoned that responsibility, egged on by an unholy
alliance of liberal politicians, eager to court the illegal alien vote, and
self-interested business "leaders" like the writer.
Perhaps the author could take some time and explain just what is broken about
our immigration laws. Those who talk about a broken immigration system never
seem to explain what's broken.The way I see it, there's
nothing broken, except enforcement. Those wishing to come to this country to
live and become citizens merely have to fill out the requisite papers and get in
line.As a matter of fact, under the current administration basically
no one coming here illegally is deported. They're allowed to stay and get
jobs. In large measure they come for work so they can send money back to loved
ones at home. So, if the U.S. immigration laws are changed there will be little
change in what actually goes on.And the article's author should
keep in mind that there are millions of unemployed Americans looking for work
costing the government billions in unemployment payouts... which means there are
no jobs for illegals.
The Real Maverick:"When has the house done anything? Oh wait, they
shut down the government last fall..."The House passed several
bills funding the government but the Senate, under Harry Reid, wouldn't
take any of them up. And since all funding bills are to originate in the House,
per the US Constitution, the fault of the shut-down falls to Harry, leader of
the US Senate.
These elites don't like to think of it as amnesty, but what else do you
call it when people who are here on expired visas or no papers at all are not
sent home according to the law?What shall we call it when these same
people who have perjured themselves to accept jobs on false or stolen documents
and are not sent home after being fired from those jobs and serving time for
their crimes?Whatever you call this "reform" scheme, giving them
work papers after flouting our laws seems like a reward for bad behavior.Don't play your semantics game with us. These people have broken our
laws, taken our jobs, and filled our schools. Why are you favoring them?As
a banker I suppose you make money from their remittance transfers back home. I
suppose your friends want their cheap labor. I suppose supporting this so-called
"reform" endears you to minority activists. I suppose it makes you feel
all globalist.But if we don't say no to those who ignore our laws and
our borders this problem will persist.
A quick search of the H-1B database shows that Zions bank hired two software
developers in 2010 to work in Salt Lake city. You can't tell me there were
no people locally that could of done that work.
"Good immigration reform does not equal amnesty...Along with increased
border security, we need a legal way for workers to come out of the
shadows."In other words, immigration reform DOES equal amnesty.
Not just amnesty, but amnesty PLUS reward. Amnesty means forgiveness for a crime
committed, like stealing a car. It does not mean you get to keep the car.I do agree, however, that GOOD IMMIGRATION REFORM does not equal
amnesty. GOOD IMMIGRATION REFORM means border security, interior enforcement,
workplace enforcement, denial of government benefits, and quick deportation of
those caught here illegally."I like to think of it as a very
flexible, efficient and effective guest worker program."Baloney.
There really are very few jobs that are truly temporary. Businesses make
investments based on the assumption of labor. Give them "guest" workers,
and their business plan will assume such labor from here on out. That is why
guest workers are never really guests, and why they never end up leaving.Newsflash, Mr. Anderson: this country already allows over a million
immigrants each year. That is more than triple what it was just 3-4 decades ago.
There is no shortage of legal immigrants.