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  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    June 12, 2014 8:31 a.m.

    It says most people are sick of the corrupt Washington DC establishment rampant in both parties! More incumbents will be voted out!

  • FreedomFighter41 Provo, UT
    June 12, 2014 9:02 a.m.

    I thought the election was in November?

    So what happens if Mr Tea Party falls flat on his face against his democrat opponent in November? Then can we call the few party dead?

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    June 12, 2014 9:07 a.m.

    It says that the primary voters in this district in Virginia don't like politicians who might waiver at all from 100% ideological tea party purity. Doesn't say anything about the American people in general.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    June 12, 2014 9:21 a.m.

    What is more likely to happen in November is the Democrats will lose the majority in the Senate for the same reasons this election in Virginia (hardly a red state) went the way it did!

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    June 12, 2014 9:27 a.m.

    No leadership outside of than Democratic party. If elected he will vote fifty times unsuccessfully to repeal Affordable Care Act and cause expensive shutdowns.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    June 12, 2014 9:41 a.m.

    One Vote. Given the unpopularity of Obamacare, most Americans want Obamacare to be repealed! Which will probably help the GOP in Nov and beyond! Let Hillary and the Demos run on Obamacare!

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    June 12, 2014 9:57 a.m.

    Cantor's defeat shows the GOP is torn and divided. And a divided house shall fall. The GOP has shown over the last 20 years it is unable to lead and has been irresponsible when given the chance.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    June 12, 2014 10:11 a.m.

    Mountanman said: "It says most people are sick of the corrupt Washington DC establishment rampant in both parties! More incumbents will be voted out!"

    I totally agree with what your first point but I'm afraid your second comment will nbot come true. For some reason Americans complain wildly about Congress as a group but seem to like their Congressman, the one representing them.

    "Given the unpopularity of Obamacare, most Americans want Obamacare to be repealed!"

    Well, not quite. A Kaiser Family Foundation poll taken in March revealed that while only 10 percent want to keep it as is it is, a plurality, or 49 percent, want to keep it in place but work to improve it. Just 29 percent said it should be repealed and replaced with a GOP alternative or nothing at all.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    June 12, 2014 10:22 a.m.

    "One Vote. Given the unpopularity of Obamacare, most Americans want Obamacare to be repealed! Which will probably help the GOP in Nov and beyond! Let Hillary and the Demos run on Obamacare!"

    Iraq is about to fall.

    Let the GOP run on Iraq!

    Oh, and bailouts for big banks and tax cuts for the rich! I'm sure Americans will be flocking to the repub party then!

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    June 12, 2014 10:31 a.m.

    The Tea-Partiers beat Eric Cantor, and put in David Brat -- in the REPUBLICAN primary.

    The REAL vote happens in November,
    IMHO -- David Brat will loose the General Election to whoever the Democrats put up against him.

    It should be the death toll, and wooden stake through the heart of the Tea-Party...

  • LiberalEastCoastMember Parkesburg, PA
    June 12, 2014 10:34 a.m.

    Cantor's defeat sends a signal to politicians of all stripes. If they seek reelection they should 1) never underestimate their opponent and 2) show up for the campaign and work hard.

    Pretty simple.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    June 12, 2014 10:38 a.m.

    I have yet to see a single poll that shows that the majority of Americans want Obamacare to be repealed.

    Is there a credible poll that repubs could refer me to that backs this wild claim up? Is this another exaggerated fantasy claim from the ill-informed who wish to spew propaganda against our President?

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    June 12, 2014 2:48 p.m.

    Mountain Man you are completely wrong about Obamacare. There are a lot of people who now have insurance. Under the old system I would never have been able to get private insurance because of once having cancer. I now have private insurance and it costs me less the $500 a month and that includes my wife. YOU have no idea how uneducated you are!

    As for Cantor, he is a reflection of smug, arrogant and self centered politicians. He lost all concern for his people and was only focused on his personal gains. His defeat sends a message to ALL politicians to NEVER FORGET WHO PUT YOU IN OFFICE!

    This is the only victory the tea party has had.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    June 12, 2014 2:58 p.m.

    ‘Join the discussion: What does Cantor's defeat say about the future of American politics?’

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    The same thing Mitt Romney's defeat said about American politics...

    Pollsters will tell their audience precisely wha they WANT to hear,
    all truth, facts and reality aside...

  • Tuffy Parker Salem, UT
    June 12, 2014 5:07 p.m.

    In the long term, it's possible that the Tea Party will gain some real influence in American Politics. However, for the foreseeable future it really only creates a Ross Perot effect dividing the Republican Party and reducing its ability to influence on a national level.

    It pains me to say it, but I think we are in for a long run of Democratic power and Socialist legislation. As the populace becomes more liberal the fracturing of conservatives all but assures it.

  • Eliot Genola, UT
    June 12, 2014 5:18 p.m.

    The lesson from Cantor's loss is nothing new. Lose touch with your constituents and you should expect to lose the election. Orrin Hatch learned the lesson well when Bob Bennett lost his reelection bid in 2010. He reached out to voters almost immediately, said all of the right things and won reelection.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    June 12, 2014 5:25 p.m.

    @Mountanman
    "What is more likely to happen in November is the Democrats will lose the majority in the Senate for the same reasons this election in Virginia (hardly a red state) went the way it did!"

    A very conservative district (in an overall purple state) voted for a very conservative candidate in a party primary. That actually doesn't tell us much at all about the general election.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    June 12, 2014 5:39 p.m.

    The "tea party" had nothing to do with Brat's victory. They didn't support him. He won because his message was exactly what the Republican Platform states. Few Republicans in Congress believe in that Platform. Those politicians believe that they have to compromise OUR values so that Obama will not veto bills or that Harry Reid will not keep the bill from being voted on.

    The message is clear. America is tired of the left-wing rhetoric. America is tired of spending money for programs that are not Constitutionally mandated. America is tired of hearing excuses from elected officials who will not stand for the people and for the States.

    Let the Democrats run on their record. Let them tell us that Obamacare is good for us. Let them tell us that they will tax the producers so that non-producers can sit back and do nothing. Let them tell us that everything is fine at the IRS, at the V.A., at the borders. Let them sell us on what they have DONE.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    June 12, 2014 7:11 p.m.

    For once I completely agree with Mountainman. This was not a vote for someone, but a vote against an incumbent. This worked well in Utah where there was little chance Lee would have had a real challenge from the other side. Virginia is a whole other story - much more balanced voter base - so the Republicans have their work cut out for them.

    I saw an interview with David Brat that won today - seems to be a decent guy - and he was equally surprised he won. He is far from the prototypical Tea Partier, in fact he took time to ensure people he was not a Tea Party candidate.

    The people of Virginia will have an interesting decision to make come November.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    June 12, 2014 7:35 p.m.

    Did anyone hear the interview Chuck Todd did with Mr. Brat?

    Brat was unable to answer most of the questions Todd asked.

    He'd better do a lot of homework before the general election or he's going to look like a complete fool.

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    June 12, 2014 9:49 p.m.

    According to a couple of polls that I have read in the last two days, Immigration was not the reason Cantor lost. Immigration came in fifth on the number of reasons.

    Could it be that the American people are tired of war with Iraq and Afghanistan and no way wanted a war with Iran.

    It seems to me that Cantor never met a war in the middle east that he did not like.

  • oldschool Farmington, UT
    June 12, 2014 9:56 p.m.

    The vote shows that people want somebody who will fight to reduce out-of-control federal spending, not do backroom deals to continue going down the path that has led us to economic disaster and has deepened and lengthened the recession. Many Americans have no faith in Republicans who go to Washington, saying they will fight the growth of the federal government and then acquiesce to political pressure once there. They would rather risk losing in a general election than rewarding a politician who can't be trusted.

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    June 12, 2014 10:24 p.m.

    Very interesting that this win by the conservative David Brat, over Establishment Republican Eric Cantor is bothering the Democrats so much. Why?

    I thought the Tea Party (regular citizens who believe the Federal Government is too big) was history...finished...dead? Apparently not. As much as the Left (and the GOP Establishment) would like to minimize this win, they cannot!

    Wow, even Chris Matthews seems to get it:

    "Well, first of all, I don't think you can assume that the liberals are smarter than the conservative professors. I think that’s crazy talk...I was listening to Brat last night, and I listened to him today. I think he's very sophisticated for a politician. He's certainly up to the ranks of most politicians I've ever dealt with. He speaks in a speculative manner and an intellectual manner. He can handle any debate on this program or my program. So I– this looking down our noses at Tea Party people has got to stop."

    While Cantor's loss was partially due to his role in Immigration Reform (Amnesty), it was so much more. Let's see if the Dems and GOPe figure it out.

  • The Reader Layton, UT
    June 12, 2014 10:26 p.m.

    From what I read is looks like Canter had a big head. He thought he had it in the bag and did not mount a serious campaign. What does it say about politics in the country?? It says if you are running for office be there. Do not think you have it inn the bag and campaign lazily. It says nothing abut the T party. It sounds like anyone could have beaten Canter. He was not beaten by the T party - He was beaten by HIMSELF!

  • SoCalChris Riverside, CA
    June 12, 2014 10:36 p.m.

    I don't think the election says much of anything. It was an open primary in a single congressional district.

    It's dramatic because it involves Cantor but that's about it.

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    June 12, 2014 11:26 p.m.

    SoCalChris said:

    "I don't think the election says much of anything. It was an open primary in a single congressional district.

    It's dramatic because it involves Cantor but that's about it."

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    You really don't get it. This was a big win for many reasons. This was a warning to the Republican Establishment, that we're tired of their "go along to get along attitude" with President Obama and the Democrats. Eric Cantor, along with John Boehner, and the rest of the GOP Leadership are ignoring the Republican base. Whether it's Obamacare, Immigration Reform, or the lawlessness of President Obama, the GOP Leadership are taking contrary positions with their base.

    The very fact that Democrats are trying to minimize this win, tells me that they are indeed worried about its implications. Cantor spent millions in this race, while Brat spent about 200K. Conventional wisdom says this should've been an easy win for Cantor.

    Since guys like Cantor, Boehner, McConnell and other Establishment Republicans cave to Obama and the Democrats on everything, it's no wonder the Left sees this as a threat, and are desperately trying to minimize its implications.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    June 13, 2014 7:14 a.m.

    It says that the Republicans in Cantor's district don't like the idea of immigration reform as advanced by the US Chamber of Commerce, probably Cantor's biggest backer.

    The US Chamber of Commerce, interested in advancing the interests of Capitalism, want CHEAP LABOR.

    And immigrants are a great source of cheap labor. But Republicans in Cantor's district are fearful that immigrant laborers will take much-needed jobs away from Americans.

    Cantor favored immigration reform that would make this cheap labor more readily available . . . And that is why he lost.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    June 13, 2014 7:55 a.m.

    " America is tired of the left-wing rhetoric. America is tired of spending money for programs that are not Constitutionally mandated."

    I finally get something about MR. He apparently doesn't understand the difference between something being mandated and being legal, even if not mandated.

    Here's another gem of delusion. " Let them tell us that they will tax the producers so that non-producers can sit back and do nothing."

    The message here is that aid recipients are not working poor, but sit on your back ends do nothings.

    As long as you're waxing fantastical you might as well keep going. "Let them tell us that everything is fine at the IRS, at the V.A., at the borders"

    IRS..nothing found, VA..everyone thinks and says it has problems, borders..Obama has sent more illegals back than any President (ticked off liberals in the process).

    So ok, I guess Democrats will run on what they have done. Health care for all, ending two wars, reversing a major recession, and beginning climate policies.

  • SoCalChris Riverside, CA
    June 13, 2014 8:18 a.m.

    Sven,

    I know that's what you would like it to mean and it's the spin Laura Ingraham et al are giving it, but it's pure wishful thinking. It's ONE congressional district. Democrats are delighted they're facing Brat rather than Cantor and I wouldn't doubt they padded the vote in the open primary--as they openly threatened to do. I think you should hold off on your celebration until after November.

    I'm very happy California Republicans didn't nominate the rapid anti-immigration reform candidate. Instead we nominated someone who stands a chance of defeating Jerry Brown.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 13, 2014 9:46 a.m.

    IMO it shows at least one small group of Americans are tired of career politicians and Incumbents... and is willing to send them home and elect political novices in their place.

    Democrats TALK about getting rid of Incumbents (when they are mad at Government and we have a Republican administration) but they are really hoping that means get rid or Republicans. Republicans do the same thing (talk about unelecting incumbents when they are disapointed with government, but really they hope it just means DEMOCRAT incumbents). Other (less affiliated people) just want to get rid of ALL career politicians and incumbents who spend and tax like drunk sailors (regardless of the letter by their name).

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    June 13, 2014 11:13 a.m.

    "Obama will never find anything wrong with the I.R.S. the V.A., Benghazi, Fast and Furious, or illegals crossing the borders. He tells us that Bush created all of our problems. "

    ****Somewhere over the rainbow blue birds fly and there's a land that we long for once in a lullaby.****