How in the world has Bronco not offered this kid. He'd commit to them,
he's already stated that if they'd offered after camp he'd
signed. How in the world do you not offer a 4 star linebacker a scholarship? I
read somewhere that they were over their allotment at linebacker, and to that I
say SO WHAT, he will be better then many of the 2 star linebackers you have on
the roster, Bronco pull your head out and get that kid in a Cougar uniform!
I wish Porter the best of luck with whatever decision he comes to, but I of
course hope he stays home! Porter, you've gotta love your NFL odds
playing defense for Whittingham and Sitake up on the hill. Here's to hoping
you stick around!
Having witnessed an incident during basketball season, it does not surprise me
at all that BYU has not offered. Character is very high on BYU's list...
I'm not doubting his athletic ability at all, he's an incredible
athlete. He may or may not fit the criteria that is required at BYU. He may be
better off at another school. Good luck to the young man. He potentially could
be playing on Sunday's.
@HoopcoachDid you really just play the "he doesn't have
good enough character card to play at BYU, so he should go to a
'lesser' school" card? And you wonder why everyone in the country
thinks BYU fans are the most arrogant...
Gustin on Utah:"Every year I'd drive from where I lived in
Idaho to come to BYU not Utah, nothing against Utah though, I need to be
respectful to Utah because they offered me. I do have great contacts at both
schools right now (BYU and Utah) and Utah has shown more love obviously with an
offer,"Wait... So he would rather play for the mid-major Cougars
than the PAC-12 Utes?How can this be??
HoopcoachProvo, UT"Having witnessed an incident during
basketball season, it does not surprise me at all that BYU has not offered.
Character is very high on BYU's list..."Character is high
on byu's list? How's that Kearsley kid working out? Not so great,
from what I've read. Well, the warning signs were there but byu wanted and
took him anyway. Character is so high on byu's list. LOL!
Fights, drinking, etc. Bottom line, byu has the same problems every other
program has including potential NCAA sanctions. Time to come down from that
high horse you're riding.
Obviously academics is the most important thing, but after that it’s about
winning a conference championship, contending for a national championship, and
then preparing as best he can for the NFLGo UTES!!
How does this happen? The kid has offers to virtually EVERY elite
program in the country, but somehow Bronco can't find room to offer him a
scholly? And I am sick and tired of hearing people throw this kid
through the mud and labeling him with low character or integrity. He is 17
years old! Maybe he hasn't figured everything out yet, but if BYU truly
does stand for everything I hope it does, this kid should not be rejected
because of mistakes he may or may not have made. You can't
let a 4-star LB with offers to USC, Ohio St., and Florida St. slip away.
Especially one in your backyard who has dreamed of playing at BYU his whole
Can't wait to see this kid suit up for my Trojans. Academics -
Check Winning Conference Championships - CheckContending for
Nat'l Championships - CheckPreparing for the NFL - CheckHis family are HUGE BYU fans, so I'm sure they are pretty familiar with
Sark. He already signed 3 top LDS athletes in his first class at SC, so Porter
will fit right in! Why would he want to play anywhere else?
Message to both sides, BYU fans and Utah fans, regarding Gustin.BYU
Fans: Fact is, Bronco messed up big time on this one. He camped to BYU early
and was expecting an offer, one didn't come. Why exactly, I'm not
sure but at the time he was an unrated, largely unknown LB from little Salem
Hills. Then he released his Junior film, which is impressive, and he blew up.
Got offers from Utah and the rest of the Pac 12 and it spread like wildfire to
the rest of the BCS conference. But by that time, the bridge had been burned
with BYU. Bronco made a big mistake, he could have locked Gustin up
early. There are no moral or character issues or LB allotment problems,
that's an excuse. Bronco or whomever was scouting him missed big time, so
now BYU will try to save face by not offering at all.Utah Fans:
Gustin is not coming here. Period. It is apparent that his main goal is to win
a National Championship...that wouldn't happen at either in-state school.
He is SEC bound, so don't get the hopes up or crow over BYU.
btw...I would love to see Porter choose to say home and choose the
Utes. Coach Whitt has a long history of putting linebackers in the NFL.Go Utes!
I can't see this guy playing in-state. He wants a good education AND a
shot at a title he needs to choose Stanford since they apparently have offered.
I would surely love it if this guy went to BYU, but that may not be
in the cards. If he meets the standard offer him a baseball scholarship and use
him as a dual athlete. Its not that hard to do when he is obviously great at
Porter, go to the place that will make you the best man that you can be. I wish
all the best, sounds like you have put the work in and deserve this opportunity
. Good luck where ever you go kid.
Hoopcoach - Did you really say that??? And I am sure you know all the facts of
what allegedly happened as well? Based on what I have heard it is questionable
at best if the kid did anything wrong at all.I am tired of this
whole judging thing that goes on, as if we are "better" than those we
choose to cast stones at. Unfortunately my kids have been subjected to it for
years from neighbors, church leaders, and others. I never dreamed that as a
father I would have to deal with the self-righteous judgments made by selfish,
self-serving individuals who know none of the facts. The impact on a couple of
my kids has been devastating - but that's a discussion for another day.I hope Bronco comes around and offers this kid, though at this juncture
I am not sure that he would give BYU the time of day. Can only hope that Bronco
knows what he is doing.
@BlueCollar"Porter, go to the place that will make you the best
man that you can be"Or just pick a good school and make yourself
the best man you can be.
Hoopcoach is a great example of why BYU is so disliked by so many. As someone
who grew up in Utah and has spent many years in other places, there is nothing
like the judgement that comes so quickly from a few individuals in a certain
Utah based faith. This is not to say everyone is that way, there are far more
awesome people than not but it's the ones like Hoopcoach that make the
others look bad. Not offering a 4 * stud linebacker who grew up
wanting to go to your institution is beyond insane. Even if the kid did have
some issues in the past, does that disqualify him from attending your school?
If I were a BYU fan, I would be outraged.
"How in the world has Bronco not offered this kid. He'd commit to them,
he's already stated that if they'd offered after camp he'd
signed. How in the world do you not offer a 4 star linebacker a
scholarship?" Answer: Because Bronco lives in Utah Valley and
knows the kind of competition this kid is playing against week in and week out:
Payson, Juab, Wasatch, Provo, Spanish Fork. These aren't exactly top
Texas, Southern Cal, or Southeast United States powerhouse schools. Lets see
how he stacks up against talent from these areas of the country before we start
lauding this kid.
@Utah fans...Why you keep bringing up Whit and Sitake is a bad bargaining
chip as everyone that isn't a Ute fan can see that Whit will be gone by the
time this kid is in college. Also Sitake will most likely be shown the door as
well if Whit is fired. All the better for us Cougs, as Whit and Sitake will both
probably be in BYU Polo's when he's playing in college. @BYU fans...I don't see us offering him a scholarship this late in
the process though. It's clear at this point that out of his childhood love
and respect for the Y that a scholarship offer would simply be sentimental for
him. I do believe we have burned the bridge.
@U-PAC...He himself stated that he is a BYU fan. I don't know of
anyone who drove from Idaho to Utah to see the Cougs play other than a BYU fan.
Gustin will end up in Provo long before he would end up in SLC... Most recruits
don't relish the idea of playing for a team that is a constant
cellar-dweller and one that has been bowless the entire time that they have been
in HS with no opportunities in site.
He would end up at Utah long before he would end up at Byu. Bc I'm pretty
sure most recruits won't relish the idea of playing for what power
conferences are now considering a mid major and won't schedule them and
from the looks of it is probably going to be on probation. All byu is now is a
glorified d ll school. Might as well state scheduling Dixie state and Suu. Bc
pretty soon thats about all you will be willing to play them. Spoken like a true
clueless coug fan. One thing about it since he has been in high school utah has
beat byu everytime. Byu completely dropped the ball on this one. No doubt about
it. No use even trying to save face. He will end up at usc and come play utah
twice probably on his way to the NFL. Kills me. Byu and utah both need to find a
way to keep these big time recruits to stay at home. Bc Porter Gustin isn't
the only one they are going to miss out on. There are about 4 or 5 that are
going to get away to some pretty big time schools.
BYU fans love Porter Gustin!! "HOOPCOACH" IS MOST LIKELY A Ute TROLL.It would be awesome to see Porter at BYU! He will be an incredible LB or
DE in college. I think if he put his mind to it he could be a stellar TE and
even QB in the next level as well. Even if BYU has more than their
share of LB schollies in their allotment- they should offer porter. He could
potentially play 4 positions at a high level.
I have watched him play 3 times. Small sample size agreed, but he was never the
best player on the field. No this isnt a personal attack so parents please lay
off.I saw him play against Timpview and they destroyed SHills. There were 5
athletes at Timpview I would have taken over this young man athletically. Now,
he has grown and his Sparq scores are impressive. And he has the body. He isnt
an offense guy at the next level(again parents dont attack) but he will be a
decent LB. I think he has the toughness and his offer list is very dang
impressive. I was disappointed he didnt camp at the All Poly camp but sat out.
I guess he could only hurt his stock so that is smart. But he will learn
quickly that there are 6 other guys just like him if he goes to USC or and SEC
school. But thats OK at least he will get a shot. I hope he makes it. BYU
waited and got burned. Used to that. He wants to play for a winner so Utah is
out.Bigger dreams. USC would be nice. Best of luck and choose wisely!
Haha. Better learn to handle criticism. Especially when it's correct.Name the 5 TV kids that were better? I didn't even know who Gustin
was and neither did anyone else that night. Sorry. And he def didn't stand
out. The TUA kid and Covey were way better on offense. TUA rushed for 200
yards compared to Gustins 19. covey ran thru SHills and made electric runs.
Gustin was MIA on offense. And the Reid kid Nacua and Kafusi were all better
that night on defense. Easily. Gustin wasn't even 50% passing and can you
say INT? Gustin had a whopping 1 tackle on defense. 1? Just keep that film
hidden from all the so called experts. Against a decent team he wasn't
very good. But against a poor Region 8 teams he is great. So relax.
Criticism? What criticism? He is ranked number 1 in Utah, has 40 offers,
recored the highest SPARQ score among any Utah athlete EVER, is ranked 34 in the
nation among all players and can go wherever he wants. I doubt your uniformed
opinion means anything to him. I was also at the Salem game against Timpview.
Covey was 8-14 for 141 yards and a pick. wow! Gustin threw for 214 behind a
team predicted to finish last in the region. Timpviews leading tackler was
Nacua with 3. Wow! Porter at outside linebacker was not responsible for
stopping the 26 attempts of Tuua up the A gap but most people who know football
understand that.Lets compare stats against a common opponent (Woods Cross)
that both teams played within a week of each other in playoffs. If we
take the total tackles of Nacua (3), Reid (6), Kafusi (0) and Anae (3) you still
do not equal the output of Gustin who had 16 tackles against the same opponent
with two broken arms. And you wonder why he has more offers than the whole
Timpview team combined. It is because he outproduced the whole Timpview
defense. Again, I would stick with the experts on this one. They understand
To further prove my point.....lets look at the first two playoff games for each
team. This should alleviate your weak argument about playing lesser talent even
though we ARE in the same region. Timpview's first two playoff
games with tackling stats.Nacua 9 and 2Reid 3 and 4Kafusi 4 and 1Anae 2 and 1Total Tackles for all four
athletes combined. 26. Total Interceptions for all four athletes combined
0.Salems first two playoff games with Tackling stats.Gustin 12 and 16. Interceptions 1.Therefore, it appears that
your four selected "superior athletes" from Timpview still fail to
compare to one from Salem Hills. Are we done with this argument
yet? You need to elevate your game if you plan to continue this debate.
Hello? UC Baller? Are you still out there? *crickets*Thats what I
thought.Have a great day.
Sorry gonna have to go with UC Baller on this one. He was a good player last
year, not great. He was MIA against Timpview on both sides of the ball. He had
zero impact on the game. If he was great he would have. That being said, I am
excited to see what he can do his senior year.
Tenn 12. I can understand your frustration since Gustin dominated Orem twice
last year and it must have been very embarrassing to be upset (twice) by a team
predicted to finish last in its region. Ooops! Wasn't Orem the number one
seed in its region? Gustin played inside linebacker in both of those games.
Against Timpview he was the outside linebacker and not responsible for stoping
the run game up the A gap. Timpview did everything possible to avoid the c gap
and or run outside the tackles. Smart on Coach Whitts part. We will see how
Timpview does against Salem this year with Gustin in the middle. Cant wait to
see how Orem does again as well.
I am curious to know what the definition of a "great player" would be to
an Orem fan ? I just looked at his stats in the two games he played against
your number one seeded Orem Tigers last year. It appears he had 23 tackles, 2
sacks and 1 interception in leading his team to two straight upset victories
over Orem. I repeat...23 tackles, 2 sacks and an interception!!!!! All while
wearing a cast over a broken arm with three pins in his right wrist. Not
great!? I am guessing it is just a case of sour apples since Orem was knocked
out of the playoffs by a one handed "good player" on a team so bad it
was predicted to win just one game all season. Please come to the table with
stats or facts as opposed to vindictive opinions (due to a loss) with nothing to
back up your position.Thank you.
fballfanatic, There is no need to personally attack and insult everyone
who disagrees with you. If he racks up stats and tackles against average or
below average opponents, well great, good for him. There are many good high
school players each year that have great stats but aren't great players at
the next level. How did he play against good opponents? I saw him twice last
year so admittedly that is a small sample size but he looked like a big kid and
a good athlete but nothing special. Playing outside linebacker against Timpview
he still had many opportunities to impact that game, but.. he didn't.
Sounds like excuses. Covey and Tview's running back ran inside AND outside
several times unimpeded. He could have made more plays. Perhaps that was a bad
game for him. Lastly, I live in Orem, I don't play or coach there. I
don't have family/friend affiliations on that team so you beating them
twice last year is just fine with me. Let's not post off topic or immature
Tenn 12. I am not personally attacking you.....i don't even know you. I
am however questioning your ability to create and present an educated opinion
pertaining to the topic. It is very evident you have avoided any attempt to
research the topic. You ask how he did against good opponents yet should know
that answer before you share your opinion. Let me answer that question for you
since I did take time to research the topic prior to commenting. In the
last four games of the season (following his injury) all against third seeded
teams or better he averaged the following stats.Orem 11
TacklesSpanish Fork 13 TacklesOrem 12 TacklesWoods
X 16 TacklesThat is an average of 13 tackles per game against
very quality teams that all went to playoffs. These figures are better
than any other player in the state.This lead to 40 Division 1 offers and a
five star rating from the experts at 247 sports.He was invited to compete
against the top 162 players in the country and finished 9th in the SPARQ test
with a 130.What frustrates me are people like you that have no clue
about football yet try to tear these accomplishments down.Please
Fball Fanatic/porter/john,You're not personally attacking me? I
invite you to reread your post. There were several attacks. Again, I'm glad
he makes a lot of tackles. Whoop dee do. Players on every team each year rack up
double digit tackles. Racking up or padding stats with tackles does not make one
great. Orem and Spanish Fork were quality teams? Seriously? Below .500 teams are
quality? Since… when? Woods X is the only good team you cited. Sorry, but
that's a fact. Now, as far as I know, nobody has said Gustin is a bad
player in these comments. I certainly haven't. I have only stated I am not
ready to call him a great football player because he has not performed great
against good competition enough. Sadly, in the region he plays in, he probably
won't get tested but maybe once against Timpview. He certainly has the
potential because of his size, strength, and speed. I am simply waiting to see
his greatness more consistently on the field. If I'm supposed to call him
the best player in the state, I need to see him impact games against good teams
wrong again. I am assuming you will find both John and Porter at the high
school with the team practicing right now. With that said....I will ask
you a third time. Define a great athlete. Why are you avoiding the question?
This is a great opportunity to present a logical case backed by facts or
statistics. Come on Tenn 12....You can do this. Remember, numbers
don't lie.Here is how the experts define greatness.The
professionals at scouting services like 247 Sports rank players and give out a
maximum of Five Stars.Gustin is ranked 23rd in the nation and has Five
Stars! Are they wrong?Who was the last Utah Valley athlete with Five
Stars?The analytical experts use the SPARQ test to define greatness.Gustin scored over a 130 on his first ever test. Name the last athlete
in Utah to exceed 120 on the SPARQ.Colleges use their in house analyst to
define greatness prior to extending an offer.Gustin has received offers
from 17 of the pre season top 25 teams in America.Includiing reigning
National Champions Florida State and contender Ohio State.Who was the last
athlete in Utah recruited by both of those schools?Step up Tenn 12.
Wait what about Orem and Spanish Fork being below .500 teams yet still being
very solid tough teams? If you've been around long enough you'd know
Rivals, 247, Scout.com, all those "recruiting experts" are wrong as much
as they are right. Let's not take everything they say to be truth. I define
great as an athlete who can carry his team and impact every single game. Again,
what happened against Timpview? You wouldn't even know he played that game
by watching. He had no impact at all. Woods Cross? Again nice that he made a
bunch of tackles. What else? Great is Covey. Great is Masina. They carried their
teams to the state championship. They left their footprint on every single game,
not just against 3a schools, and 5-6 4a schools. Gustin may carry his team far
this year. And if he does, I will be the first to call him great. Can I ask you
one thing? why are you so defensive because I think he's good, but not
great? Why is that so insulting? I'm just not ready to anoint him as the
best player this state has seen like you are.
Now we finally have something we can both agree on. Masina and Covey are indeed
great athletes! Therefore they combine for a total of 22 collegiate offers.
How nice would it be to play on a team predicted to win state? How wonderful
would it be to have a supporting cast full of 2, 3, and 4 star players. To be
on a team where a dozen of your teammates will go on to play after high school.
That sure makes it a lot easier to excel compared to being on a team predicted
to win just one game last year. Lets just agree to disagree until we
meet at the Salem vs Timpview game this season. Hopefully, UC Baller and
Hawaii Fan will join us as well. See you all there.Go Skyhawks! :)
In the last 8 days, two more SEC schools have evaluated local talent and offered
scholarships to someone in this wonderful state. Who is that player and why
would they not place their focus on Utah's "great players"? It
appears that it has been another fabulous week for average talent. Apparently
it pays to be a mediocre player competing against mediocre talent.Go
I have heard that Porter will be offered a baseball pro contract in the next
draft. He'll take the baseball contract out of HS over football. He has
been told he'll play at first base or pitcher depending upon who drafts