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  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    June 5, 2014 1:38 p.m.

    This is a great deal for the Cougars. Congratulations!

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    June 5, 2014 1:40 p.m.

    Good job Tom. This is welcome news! Go Cougars!

  • Copacetic Logan, UT
    June 5, 2014 1:43 p.m.

    And so where are all the Ute criticizers who keep claiming no power conference members will ever schedule games with BYU? Or that if one ever did, they would never get a home-and-home deal?
    Is the PAC12 not actually a power conference?

    When a school is an independent, it's not as easy to schedule these sort of games. But there are plenty of big-name schools who do still recognize the value of playing a nationally recognized program like BYU who has been finishing more seasons nationally ranked in the top-25 than not.

    These games will continue to be scheduled when those schools get the openings to do so. Those opportunities will continue coming about, much to the chagrin of the anti-BYU Ute fans who simply don't know any better.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    June 5, 2014 1:49 p.m.

    Awesome, nicely done BYU. Home and Home series to boot. Also nice to see that it's not waaaay out in the future.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    June 5, 2014 1:51 p.m.

    Again, welcome news in playing with UCLA. But, did you asked Alabama at all Tom?

    Good job Tom!

  • Riley Mendenhall Provo, UT
    June 5, 2014 1:54 p.m.

    UCLA: What FCS teams should we schedule for 2015 and 2016? How about BYU. The cougars don't have very much talent, plus because of their recent scandal they will have fewer scholarships.

  • WhoRtheUtes??? Elko, NV
    June 5, 2014 2:05 p.m.

    A great team from the top of the PAC 10.2. Great series!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 5, 2014 2:10 p.m.

    Does anyone know if one program had to pay the other to make this deal work?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 5, 2014 2:10 p.m.

    Copacetic:

    "...where are all the Ute criticizers who keep claiming no power conference members will ever schedule games with BYU?"

    First of all, this article was barely posted for 20 minutes before you asked where all the Ute fans were. Just relax. Give us a couple of hours to find out a new article had even been posted.

    Second, here's an article where the Y finally gets a legitimate Home-&-Home, like the kind Utah used to get from UCLA back when we were in the MWC, instead of another one-off or 2-for-1 like the kind YOU usually get after leaving the MWC to play WAC football, and your chief concern is...

    ...Utah fans? Haha! That just goes to show who the "big brother" in this former rivalry is: the Utes!

    That said, what's up with the 5-Home/7-Away game rotation? "Big boy league" schools never have more Away games than Home. How midmajorey of you. Had you seen OUR 2015 schedule? It's a 7-Home/5-Away game rotation. Plus, we'll get 10 "Power 5" opponents that year, with 6 at Home. You'll only get 3 "Power 5" opponents -- again -- with 0 at Home.

  • Duckhunter Highland , UT
    June 5, 2014 2:15 p.m.

    A very nice upgrade over the losing program on the hill for the 2015 season. Much stronger opponent. Much better history. Much more respected. Much more national cache. Much higher ranked on a far more regular basis. Just everything about it is better.

    Nice job Tom.

  • megaman Reston, VA
    June 5, 2014 2:16 p.m.

    UCLA: What team beat us 59-0 last time we played them? Oh that's right, it was BYU.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 5, 2014 2:17 p.m.

    I haven't ever seen byu get the first game in these home and homes with the big boys. Why is that?

    And for those who think it doesn't mean anything, how about you give me $1 million today and I'll give you $1 million a year from today

  • Spoons Lake Tahoe, NV
    June 5, 2014 2:19 p.m.

    This is a good series for BYU and I am excited to see it.

    Too bad UCLA will not get credit for beating a power 5 team.

    Only 5 home games for 2015? That's kind of weak.

  • xam Provo, UT
    June 5, 2014 2:36 p.m.

    Good job by T.H. to upgrade the SOS

    Duckhunter, based on your post BYU's is doomed. If the Y can't beat the lowly Utes then how are they going to even compete against a "much stronger opponent (with) much better history (and) much more respected (with) much more national cache (and) much higher ranked?"

    It probably means much more beatings at the hands of the PAC12. Since going Indy BYU has a .285 winning percentage against PAC12 conference yet an embarrassing .000 winning percentage against the Utes. LOL

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    June 5, 2014 2:39 p.m.

    The one downside to this is that it's September games, the part of the schedule where it was generally assumed BYU would be able to schedule good teams.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    June 5, 2014 2:41 p.m.

    RE: Chris B.

    "Does anyone know if one program had to pay the other to make this deal work?"

    Yes, I have it on good authority that UCLA is paying BYU a cool $20 million to play this series. Keep those great questions coming.

    RE: Naval Vet

    "...instead of another one-off or 2-for-1 like the kind YOU usually get after leaving the MWC to play WAC football..."

    Not true. Since leaving the MWC, BYU has scheduled home and homes with UCONN, Wisconsin, Houston, Virginia, UCF, Boise State (extended series), Southern Miss, UNLV, Stanford, Cincy, USU, West Virginia, Washington St, Nevade, East Carolina, Texas, Cal, and UCLA. In this same period BYU has scheduled 2-for-1s with USC and Notre Dame.

    So I guess you were using Ute math. Having 18 1-for-1s is actually more than the two 2-for-1s BYU has scheduled. Gee, it seems kind of "frantic and emotional" of to suggest otherwise. Go Cougs!

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    June 5, 2014 2:43 p.m.

    RE: Chris B.

    "And for those who think it doesn't mean anything, how about you give me $1 million today and I'll give you $1 million a year from today"

    I don't think you understand how contracts work. If the second game is cancelled by the visiting team, they are the ones that pay the $1 million breach of contract. Win/Win for BYU.

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    June 5, 2014 2:45 p.m.

    My condolences BYU fans 5 home games all season. 1 home game in September and 1 home game in November, bummer.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    June 5, 2014 2:49 p.m.

    Ah yes, the old "BYU home-and-home": First game on the road, return game gets bought out. This used to be called a "one and done" or a "body bag game", but BYU fans didn't like the thought of being one of those teams who signs up for those types of games, so they changed the way it's structured on paper.

    Enjoy your trip to LA, and don't spend all the money in one place.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    June 5, 2014 2:52 p.m.

    Great addition to BYU's schedule, but it calls into question much of the speculation about why BYU didn't get Alabama on their schedule for 2015. With UCLA they now have the feared 7th road game which many said was one of the reasons BYU wouldn't want to play at Alabama.

    This does significantly upgrade BYU's SOS for 2015. If they do well in 2015, it could set them up to make some noise in 2016 with that schedule also shaping up into a tough one. Of course in 2016 they will have another Pac 12 team on their schedule in Utah.

    Duckhunter,

    Funny you should criticize the program on the hill which has beaten BYU in football 4 years in a row and in the past 12 months beaten BYU in just about every sport they play. I agree, UCLA is better than Utah right now. Many expect them to challenge for the Pac 12 title for the next several years. BYU's September schedule in 2015 should be a good measure of their program. That month they play teams of the caliber Utah plays every week. Of course they have the usual 6 cupcakes on the schedule to ensure bowl eligibility.

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    June 5, 2014 2:52 p.m.

    This just can't be because byu is not prestegous like us and that's why we don't play them anymore and so our brothers UCLA shouldn't play them either because byu is not in a prestegous conference like we are so this is just wrong.

    Go Utes!

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 5, 2014 2:58 p.m.

    Good for the cougars. Now keep this sincere thought in mind when you read my post pleading to the Utes to buy out the games with BYU in 2017 & 18 as well as two games against San Jose State.2016 and 2017!

    Why? Here are a couple quotes from a study done comparing away non-conference games for the PAC-12 and SEC. “. It’s hard to fault Utah, who as I noted earlier, has played more road non-conference games than any other Pac-12 team since 2008. (However,)UCLA (Texas A&M), Arizona State (Texas A&M, Texas Tech, UTSA), and Arizona (Houston, UTEP, UTSA) have recently, or will shortly play teams in Texas. All things equal, ASU/AZ have an extra recruiting card to play when they can say “we will play here in Texas two times during your son’s Utah needs to schedule a game in Texas, Louisiana, or Florida yesterday if they plan to college career”.

    Nothing against BYU but the U really needs to schedule games in Texas, Florida, and Louisiana. In addition we need to schedule Hawaii for recruiting purposes also.

    Hopefully, impossible to include BYU annually!

  • Jim1027 St. George, UT
    June 5, 2014 3:00 p.m.

    Utes will eat their words with a fork and spoon!

    Any bets on records this year?

    Any bets on which coach will be fired first?

    Any bets on bets on who gets into a PLAYOFF game first?

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    June 5, 2014 3:11 p.m.

    The Ute commenters who are badgering this article are the same ones who were clamoring 'Come on Dr. Hill, demand a 2 for 1 from BYU' three years ago.

    Don't worry East Salt Lake, the deal with UCLA doesn't do anything to threaten your reservation in the basement apartment of the mighty PAC.

  • AFCoug Colorado Springs, CO
    June 5, 2014 3:14 p.m.

    As a BYU fan this stinks. We should not be patting ourselves on the back because we are playing another PAC 12 school when we have to play 7 road games. What makes me laugh though is the Power 5 conferacne schools play 7-8 home games and making claims to being elite programs. If somehow BYU beats even half these power 5 teams on the road in 2015 it will be a good year because they should sweep the home schedule. ALL 5 GAMES. Crap. Hope season tickets are cheaper that year!

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    June 5, 2014 3:17 p.m.

    @WHo Am I Sir?

    A Ute fan who gets IT!!!!

    I see the rivalry as a lose lose situation for both teams. From the Y perspective they don't increase exposure nor recruiting even if they win the game. Its the same problem I see with playing Utah State; however I do think beating USU is generally going to be a better win than the Utes most years. Beating a school locally barely registers on the national scene.

    BYU already has trips yearly to California and Texas. They need to work in more somehow. I wanted a NFL stadium big game every year in Texas or a Texas bowl game for BYU against the programs with the highest profiles to make that happen.

    As far as 5-7 home versus road, BYU will find a way to switch a game. The most obvious choice is the Southern Miss game since the 2014 date in Provo has been altered.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 5, 2014 3:26 p.m.

    6/5 Good for the cougars. Now keep this sincere thought in mind when you read my post pleading to the Utes to buy out the games with BYU in 2017 & 18 as well as two games against San Jose State.2016 and 2017!

    Why? Here are a couple quotes from a study done comparing away non-conference games for the PAC-12 and SEC. “. It’s hard to fault Utah, who as I noted earlier, has played more road non-conference games than any other Pac-12 team since 2008. (However,) “UCLA (Texas A&M), Arizona State (Texas A&M, Texas Tech, UTSA), and Arizona (Houston, UTEP, UTSA) have recently, or will shortly play teams in Texas. All things equal, ASU/AZ have an extra recruiting card to play when they can say “we will play here in Texas two times during your son’s college career. Utah needs to schedule a game in Texas, Louisiana, or Florida yesterday if they plan to continue recruiting those areas.
    Nothing against BYU but the U really needs to schedule games in Texas, Florida, and Louisiana. In addition we need to schedule Hawaii for recruiting purposes also.
    Hopefully, impossible to include BYU annually!

  • evansrichdm west jordan , UT
    June 5, 2014 3:30 p.m.

    Good news, 8 games for 2016, which I have been a little worried about BYU getting over 10 games. It would be great to get another three games set up for 2016 to have at least 11 games. Anyway that will be a good one to watch in 2015 because Hill will be a sr qb, so it could be a game that gets BYU in the spot light. Let be honest this games will be in the spot light since it will more then likely be aired by ESPN since it is BYU and UCLA.

    Go Blue, GO BYU.

  • Indy St George, Utah
    June 5, 2014 3:31 p.m.

    You Ute fans are too funny.

    First you criticize BYU for not being able to schedule quality opponents for home and home series.
    Then, when we do, you instantly panic and attempt to spin the series to look bad.

    Your obsession is sugarcoating!

  • 311ute Reno, NV
    June 5, 2014 3:34 p.m.

    utah fan here to eat some crow....I didn't think that BYU could swing a home and home with the likes of UCLA. Well done. One does have to wonder if UCLA will buy out the trip to LES but I doubt that Mora/Guerrero would do that. I am also pretty sure that the schedule shuffling is not done yet as I have a hard time imaging BYU having only 5 home games next year. If it does stay a 5 game home schedule, than that would be an embarrassment. The roller coaster of independence keeps rolling on with its twists and turns.

  • Concinnity Richfield, UT
    June 5, 2014 3:44 p.m.

    Actually, playing the Y makes sense for the U, since BYU spends most of each season higher ranked than Utah. It's a chance for Utah to improve their SOS and their national ranking. For BYU, it will just give in-state bragging rights whenever they win. And since most of the U's recent wins over the Y have gone to the last play of the game with a single score difference, BYU is bound to start also winning on the scoreboard and not just on the stat sheet.

    Most ranking services give more credit for winning on the road. So playing one extra road game really isn't that big of a deal. Whether at the stadium in person or watching on a big-screen TV, we still get to watch all of the games... which fans of other in-state schools can't claim.

    It always amazes me how many Ute fans keep coming back to continually post on BYU articles. All evidence indicates they follow BYU every bit as much as they do Utah. Their attention on these BYU articles (whether negative or positive) is a feather in BYU's cap.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 5, 2014 3:50 p.m.

    Duckhunter

    "Just everything about it is better."

    Including that extra away game. Yeah *cough* definitely better.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    June 5, 2014 4:06 p.m.

    Lots of BYU hate in these comments. I just skimmed through them.

    Way to go, Tom! Go Cougars!

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    June 5, 2014 4:10 p.m.

    Love the ute fans spin that UCLA will cancel the Provo game. I guess it speaks volumes for the integrity of the pac schools if this is how ute fans thinks the conference works.
    We will see if UCLA honors the contract. If so then uts fans have egg on their face. If they don't honor the contract then the pac has egg on their face. Either way u lose. Maybe ute fans should just keep their opinions to themselves to avoid the embarrassment.
    I love my independence.

  • Black&Blue St George, Utah
    June 5, 2014 4:15 p.m.

    Mormon Ute

    "but it calls into question much of the speculation about why BYU didn't get Alabama on their schedule for 2015."

    That's obvious. Holmoe was already near closing the deal with UCLA at the time BYU would have been contacted by Alabama. And I doubt Alabama would have signed a contract for a return visit to Provo. Stop looking for drama.

    And when are you Utes going to stop taking the bait? No BYU fan in their right mind thinks that BYU has been better than Utah the past 4 years or over the past decade. And BYU would not be doing any better in the PAC-12, especially with Bronco as HC. Continually coming on these articles and throwing out your 4 in a row just makes you look insecure and obsessive.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 5, 2014 4:31 p.m.

    Wiscougarfan:

    "Not true...So I guess you were using Ute math."

    As opposed to "cougar math" wherein UCLA is paying the Y $20 million?

    Anyway, the one-offs and 2-for-1s that I was referring to was vs. "Power 5" schools; not your fellow midmajors.

    As for your Power 5 schools, from 2011-2024, I see 3 games vs. Wisconsin, with only 1 in Provo. I see 3 games with Virginia, with only 1 in Provo. I see 3 games with Arizona, with only 1 in Provo. I see 3 games vs. Texas, with only 1 in Provo. I see 3 games with USC, with only 1 in Provo. I see only 1 game vs. WVU, and that's all the way back here on the east coast. And of course all your ND games were 2-for-1s...despite the fact that as of today, none of those games have been scheduled for Provo.

    Like I said...one-offs and 2-for-1s are your usual scheduling formats.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 5, 2014 4:41 p.m.

    Black&Blue:

    "And when are you Utes going to stop taking the bait? No BYU fan in their right mind thinks that BYU has been better than Utah the past 4 years or over the past decade. And BYU would not be doing any better in the PAC-12, especially with Bronco as HC. Continually coming on these articles and throwing out your 4 in a row just makes you look insecure and obsessive."

    Of COURSE your fans don't "believe" they're better than Utah, but they DO continue to try to "spin" it that way. And that doesn't make US look insecure and obsessive. It makes Y fans look that way. Own it.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 5, 2014 4:51 p.m.

    AFCoug
    Colorado Springs, CO
    As a BYU fan this stinks. We should not be patting ourselves on the back because we are playing another PAC 12 school when we have to play 7 road games.

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    Finally, a smart BYU fan.

    While all the others are pounding their chests over this (ducky, ducky), they are ignorant to the fact that it means SEVEN road games. But after an hour and 45 posts, finally, at least one BYU fan got it right.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 5, 2014 4:56 p.m.

    Concinnity
    Richfield, UT

    It always amazes me how many Ute fans keep coming back to continually post on BYU articles. All evidence indicates they follow BYU every bit as much as they do Utah. Their attention on these BYU articles (whether negative or positive) is a feather in BYU's cap.

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    Another Y fan ignorant to what's going on out there.

    Go check out all the lame BYU fan comments on Utah articles and then come back and eat your crow.

    Pretentious.

  • Black&Blue St George, Utah
    June 5, 2014 5:01 p.m.

    Naval Vet,

    Of COURSE your fans don't "believe" they're better than Utah, but they DO continue to try to "spin" it that way. And that doesn't make US look insecure and obsessive. It makes Y fans look that way. Own it.

    Last I checked YOU are the one frantically submitting post after post on BYU articles attempting to discount and degrade anything that has to do with BYU. I'm pretty sure it doesn't get much more obsessive or insecure than that my friend.

    Own it.

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    June 5, 2014 5:01 p.m.

    Glad to see the schedules getting full. It's a big job to put together a whole schedule rather than just 3 every year. This is a good series but, dang-- that Sept of '15 is going to be a rough one. Hope BYU can get their act together to win 3 out of the 4. A home & home in So. Cal. is always going to be a good thing for recruiting. Nice job, Holmoe!

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 5, 2014 5:04 p.m.

    Does BYU have to copy EVERYTHING Utah does?

    Seriously. It's like going to a party and watching your little brother walk thru the door 30 mins later.

    We schedule Michigan (hone-home), then you do the same thing (one-and-done).

    We play UCLA, you go after UCLA... and then try to brag to us that you bagged a team we play every season.

    Of course, that's in addition to everything else BYU has already copied from Utah.

    Maybe BYU should try something original next time.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 5, 2014 5:11 p.m.

    Oh, the cougar envy is in high gear.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    June 5, 2014 5:16 p.m.

    Last time BYU played UCLA in the Rose Bowl, the whole northern end of the stadium was full of BYU fans, about 15,000. We were LOUD. Pretty sure the 200 Utah fans showing up for a Rose Bowl game vs UCLA don't make much noise. So you see, UCLA makes more $$ when they schedule BYU than Utah. Thats incentive. They have no incentive to schedule Utah. Sadly, they have to. Money losing proposition for sure.

    Really made a lot of sense to not bring BYU into the conference. Less money. Less competition. Much smaller fan base.

    Stupid move. Frankly, should have been BYU and Utah, not Utah and Colorado. C'est la vie...

  • BlueNtheFace Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    June 5, 2014 5:20 p.m.

    Tomahawk Red
    North Salt Lake, UT

    What are the odds that BYU will leave it at 5 home and 7 away? You really want to take that stance? AFCoug is just a "sky is falling" type of fan. He'll call it realistic, but you got to show some faith in Tom Holmoe. He's done great with what he has to work with.

    Hey downtrodden BYU fans, the Cougars have scheduled games with 8 PAC 12 teams. Don't fret. We'll be fine.

    Go BYU!

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    June 5, 2014 5:35 p.m.

    @Black&Blue
    "No BYU fan in their right mind thinks that BYU has been better than Utah the past 4 years or over the past decade."

    There must be many who aren't in their right mind. Though I'd say that would apply to many Utah fans as well who think the reverse is by any extreme degree. Funny thing is... there's a strong argument that the two schools have been basically the same in the past 4 or over the past decade. Their average Sagarin ranking over the past dozen years is marginally difference (BYU is ahead by something like half a spot). Utah had the best individual years obviously in that span and the head to head recently, but I would view the two as roughly equivalent.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    June 5, 2014 5:40 p.m.

    This kind of news really gets under their skin, doesn't it??

  • xam Provo, UT
    June 5, 2014 5:41 p.m.

    @BlueNtheFace "the Cougars have scheduled games with 8 PAC 12 teams. Don't fret. We'll be fine"

    What about the six annual cupcake games... that's the real problem that needs attention

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 5, 2014 5:50 p.m.

    @Copacetic

    When a school is an independent, it's not as easy to schedule these sort of games. But there are plenty of big-name schools who do still recognize the value of playing a nationally recognized program like BYU who has been finishing more seasons nationally ranked in the top-25 than not.

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    What? Notre Dame of the West has a hard time getting these games?

    Nationally recognized program, that plays SEVEN home games next year? Why couldn't you get ULCA to come to Provo? You needed a home next year, not another road game.

    BYU goes from 2 game season this year to 6 game season next year, nice job!

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    June 5, 2014 6:13 p.m.

    If you go and look at the local colleges BYU ranks first for articles written. There seems to be two each day this off-season. Utah State is barely ahead of Utah in second, with an article about every other day. Many of the Utah articles are also BYU articles. Its no wonder Utah fans have to comment on BYU and Utah State articles. They have so few things written on their own team. Even when they do have something to comment on it usually involves BYU.

    BYU's scheduling has been pretty solid so far in independence. I am still HOPING for a game against Army. I am VERY surprised there hasn't been a game announced yet. BYU needs to go and get them on the schedule 2016. I believe there is still a neutral site game with Army available that year.

  • CougOrUte..Naah Nibley, UT
    June 5, 2014 6:16 p.m.

    I like the 2015 schedule. Huge number of MWC games on the schedule for the year. It appears that BYU is trying to align itself (ala Notre Dame and the ACC) with either the MWC or the AAC. I am not knocking the Cougars, they are playing teams at the level where they can be successful. They should be able to get into a bowl with this schedule maybe not a top 25 ranking, but a good fun bowl for the fans to go to. Based on Utah's success, or lack there of in the PAC 10+2, they should consider a similar schedule. Yeah I know they can't because of their conference affiliation, but if they could they would be successful. Whether either team likes it or not, the U and the Y play at about the same level. In 2015 both will get pounded by UCLA, but one can crow they are members of a power conference, and the other can cheer they are going to a bowl game.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    June 5, 2014 6:23 p.m.

    Wow...looks like the cougar fan is all worked up on a two game deal (second game has been bought out - mark it down).

    get back to me when you can schedule UCLA every year.....forever

    LOL

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    June 5, 2014 6:50 p.m.

    This is a nice game for the Y. Can't wait until we see the results in 2015 with that schedule. Will make these posts very interesting. Go 8-4 and you will have something to brag about. Go 4-8 and it is time to eat crow.

  • 32843 PROVO, UT
    June 5, 2014 6:53 p.m.

    I find it fascinating to read the comments on BYU articles and the back and forth baiting that goes on.

    It's great that UCLA is going to play BYU over the next couple of years. It just adds to BYU's national reputation. Bleacher Report just ran an article on the Top 25 College Football Towns for 2014. Of course BYU came in at #22 with Michigan coming it at number one. I think the article says it all when they said that though BYU has one of the most widespread followings of any college football team, nowhere is this support better shown than on gamedays in Provo.

    Of course, it should come as no surprise that Utah doesn't even come in as an honorable mention. For a school that's supposed to have "arrived" on the national scene with its membership in the PAC it sure is surprising that it doesn't get more respect by the national media like BYU does. That's just weird.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 5, 2014 7:27 p.m.

    worf
    Mcallen, TX
    Oh, the cougar envy is in high gear.

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    Oh, so right.

    So envious because you finally schedule a team we've been playing annually since 2011.

    LOL!

    Owned.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 5, 2014 7:30 p.m.

    Tom in CA
    Vallejo, CA
    This kind of news really gets under their skin, doesn't it??

    ----------

    Oh yeah. Sure is. LOL

    What you should see is, BYU is late to the party... yet again.

    Doing something Utah has been doing with regularity since 2011, and will continue to do for the indefinite future.

    You seriously expect Utah fans to be impressed by that?

    LOL

  • rhappahannock Washington, DC
    June 5, 2014 8:55 p.m.

    BYU vs UCLA should be a good matchup. Still love the 59-0 game, which is on the BYUtv Archive for those who want to watch it.

    Since the question came up about Pac10 games on BYUtv, here are some you can see:
    2013 vs. Wash
    2012 Ore St, Wash St
    2011 BYU @ Oregon St
    2010 Wash
    2009 vs. Ore St
    2008 59-0 game, AZ, at Washington

    So, in the last few years every home or neutral site game against a Pac-10 team is on the BYUtv archive, as well as two road games. I will expect the future home and neutral Pac 10 games to be the same. You are welcome to go back further, but I stopped at 2008 since I was looking for 59-0.

  • amagnetick AV, CA
    June 5, 2014 9:25 p.m.

    All of the regulars here that are members of the LDS Church, that comment about anything having to do with BYU/Utah Football really should review the talk by Elder Russell M. Nelson from April's General Conference... start reading from the 7th paragraph. Perhaps it may inspire you to do something better with your time.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    June 5, 2014 9:51 p.m.

    I don't recall seeing any Independent stickers on cars in Utah Valley but, for some reason, I've seen PAC12 bumper stickers...and no Ute stickers. Strange thing to cheer for a conference and not one's own team.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    June 5, 2014 10:09 p.m.

    Tommy Hawk Crimson - you proved my point. lol.

  • USNGary San Diego, CA
    June 5, 2014 10:17 p.m.

    What are some of these power conference games that utah has been scheduling for years when they were in the mwc that BYU couldn't get, as I remember, All the good teams came to Provo. As someone who lives outside of Utah, I could care less about 5 home games as long as I get to watch on TV. I won't be there to attend any of them. If the roles were reversed, I really don't think utah could schedule any major conference teams to come to Salt Lake.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    June 5, 2014 11:01 p.m.

    I saw this first in the PAC-12 news. It is on the front page of UCLABruins.com.
    It is very positive.

    Still, we need a conference, please!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2014 12:05 a.m.

    @ USNGary

    Texas A&M, Cal, Oregon, Arizona, UCLA, Oregon St., North Carolina, Louisville, Pittsburgh, and Indiana all came to Rice-Eccles during our time in the MWC. Side note: Utah beat every single one of them.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    June 6, 2014 3:02 a.m.

    Okay, problem solved. Scheduling is not a problem. Now there will be one more legitimate game in between Middle Idaho Academy and Bo Didley Tech.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    June 6, 2014 6:51 a.m.

    @USN Gary

    Utah managed to get the same PAC teams to come as BYU did. In addition Utah played home and home with Louisville, Navy and Pitt.

    Utah DOES actually bring Michigan to Utah in 2015.

    BYU has long been able to get big time programs into the state. That won't change for the most part. The PAC12/BYU relationship is such that we will still see one to three teams from that conference on a yearly basis. We will also likely see a team from the ACC and B12 each year. The difficult part is getting SEC teams to travel. They are notorious for NOT traveling. Of the four non-conference games they play they might only go with one road game. They have always played the easier schedule than the PAC12 because of that.

  • theDailyObserver Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 6, 2014 7:29 a.m.

    @ Johnny Triumph

    "I don't recall seeing any Independent stickers on cars in Utah Valley."

    Of course you wouldn't see that. Being independent is nothing to be proud of.

  • USNGary San Diego, CA
    June 6, 2014 9:04 a.m.

    Two, I am not that impressed with half the teams you mentioned there since most of them have played in Provo. There aren't that many.

  • Duckhunter Highland , UT
    June 6, 2014 10:35 a.m.

    LOL at the mental midgets that actually think BYU will be playing 7 road games and only 5 home games next season. They will obviously be making some adjustments to it and that news will come out when it is settled. There really are some extremely dim people that post on here, most of them utah "fans" but a few of them appear to be BYU fans as well.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 6, 2014 12:21 p.m.

    Which of these is different? Which doesn't belong?

    Boise State
    Cincinatti
    Connecticut
    East Carolina
    Fresno State
    Houston
    Nevada
    Savannah State
    Southern Mississippi
    UCLA
    UNLV
    Virginia

    These are the home opponents for BYU for the next three years. One, UCLA, is considered to be a top caliber opponent.

  • Duckhunter Highland , UT
    June 6, 2014 12:46 p.m.

    @utahhawaiialum

    You aks questions that litterally mean nothing. Holmoe will make the adjustments he needs to make to balance the schedule and BYU will have 6 home 6 road. Beyond that I couldn't care less which one gets adjusted. Just more idiocy from the typical utah "fans" around here.

    @who am I

    Looks good to me. All of them hold some interest. Better than seeing some mix of wyoming, new mexico, hawaii, utep, etc. come in every single year. Just because a team isn't top 25 ranked doesn't mean they aren't interesting. The nice thing about indipendence is most of them are just coming once and then a new one will replace them the next year. Seeing something other than the exact same opponenents every year is interesting all on its own.

    I understand the utah "fan" narrative is to try to spin it as abysmal and uninteresting but as someone who has had season tickets since 1980 I can tell you it looks just fine to me. Some years will be better than others, I'm fine with that. Tell me does it somehow help your inferiority complex to make posts like that?

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    June 6, 2014 2:03 p.m.

    RE: Who Am I

    "Which of these is different? Which doesn't belong?...These are the home opponents for BYU for the next three years. One, UCLA, is considered to be a top caliber opponent."

    When you asked your question I honestly couldn't decide which school didn't belong. Maybe Savannah State but there were other crummy programs on your list. I had to laugh I saw at the end that you explained that UCLA was the ONLY top caliber opponent of the bunch.

    FACT: Of BYU's future home opponents in the next three years FOUR have played in BCS bowl games in the last five seasons and might be considered "top caliber opponents".

    FACT: None of those teams were are called UCLA.

    FACT: There are some great programs out there that aren't in P5 conferences.

    It is true that UCLA has great tradition and is a great home matchup. But discounting Cincy (2009, 2010), Boise State (2010), UCONN (2011), and UCF (2014) is very much akin to saying that Utah was not a top program back in their glory days (2004, 2008). Sorry, but I think 2004 Utah was great and so are many of BYU's future home opponents.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2014 3:47 p.m.

    @ USNGary

    It doesn't matter if you are impressed or not. The fact that the list exists completely disproves this thought: "If the roles were reversed, I really don't think utah could schedule any major conference teams to come to Salt Lake." Also, from the list I posted only the PAC-12 schools (excluding Oregon) have visited Provo.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    June 6, 2014 8:35 p.m.

    @who am i sir?
    "These are the home opponents for BYU for the next three years. One, UCLA, is considered to be a top caliber opponent."

    What makes them a top caliber opponent? Do they have to have recently won something significant or have a long history of winning? Or is it just belonging to the Pac10 that makes them top caliber?

    Belonging to the Pac10 doesn't qualify bottom feeder schools like Utah, Colorado or Wash St as top caliber opponents. They also don't have long histories of winning and with the exception of Wash St, they are in the beginning stages of establishing a long history of losing.

    I don't see anything that qualifies UCLA as a "top caliber" opponent but they are a nice opponent to have on the schedule and a game that will be fun to watch (like the last time we played them in Provo and destroyed them 59-0!).

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 7, 2014 1:10 a.m.

    @ BigCougar

    Colorado does have a long history of winning. Likewise, WSU played in the Rose Bowl in 1998 and 2003. Just because a team is down now, doesn't mean they will be forever.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 7, 2014 4:50 a.m.

    @Wiscougarfan

    FACT: Of that list only ONE is a P5 program, all others will go against BYU as far as the playoffs are concerned.

    Good luck convincing people that BYU deserves a playoff spot playing 2-4 P5 teams a year.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    June 7, 2014 8:08 a.m.

    theDailyObserver

    "Being independent is nothing to be proud of."

    You've got it all wrong.

    BYU fans take pride in the accomplishments their own school, rather than having to rely on the accomplishments of schools in California to take pride in.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    June 7, 2014 10:20 a.m.

    RE: Uteology

    "FACT: Of that list only ONE is a P5 program, all others will go against BYU as far as the playoffs are concerned."

    That was exactly the point I was trying to make. Teams that aren't/weren't in the P5/BCS have "made it" to the playoff equivalent. Not only does BYU have the privilege of playing some of these elite teams, there's no evidence to suggest they can't get to the BCS/playoff just as their competitors did.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    June 7, 2014 12:29 p.m.

    BYU probably has a stronger chance of going to a New Years Bowl than they have ever had. Making the playoffs however is still a Hail Mary. Had they been in a conference I believe that chance would be about the same as Utah's is. Zero. Being independent, especially during this year and the next, BYU has the best chance of making it. They still have to go undefeated and be picked by the twelve to be a top four team. They also need to be picked higher than the second team from the SEC/ACC and two other conference champions.

    Most of the years I expect the teams in the playoff will not be undefeated. There may even be a couple of two loss teams. On some years the PAC12, BiG and/or B12 will not get in, especially if the SEC and ACC manage to get two X-1 teams. Its going to fun and interesting.

    BYU needs to stay its course WIN ITS GAMES and that is all it can do.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 7, 2014 12:39 p.m.

    @Wiscougarfan

    That was exactly the point I was trying to make. Teams that aren't/weren't in the P5/BCS have "made it" to the playoff equivalent.

    -----------

    Nope, not "teams" but ONE team made it.

    Not a single mid-major in that list made it into a BCS bowl, only Utah did under the "top 6 rule". After the change that Utah forced in 2004 then and only then did the other teams make it. I could be wrong, but my understanding is that the playoffs will be even more strict.

    “Prior to 2005, non-BCS schools had to finish in the top six to get an automatic berth. That meant the likes of Tulane (12-0, No. 10 in 1998) and Marshall (13-0, No. 12 in 1999) didn't get a shot. Utah did break through, finishing sixth in 2004. It took the threat of Congressional intervention for the qualification standards to be loosened prior to the 2005 season. Since then, WAC champions Boise State (2006) and Hawaii (2007) have taken advantage of the top 12 threshold to cash in on lucrative BCS paydays.”

    -- Dennis Dodd (CBS Sports Senior Writer)

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 7, 2014 3:24 p.m.

    @Wiscougarfan

    If the "top 6 rule" was active throughout the 16 years of BCS then these teams would be the only ones that would have qualified automatically:

    Utah: 2004, 2008
    TCU: 2009, 2010

    So only TWO teams in 16 years.

    Both teams that BYU is on an 8 game losing streak against. Both teams that have struggled in tougher P5 leagues.

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    June 7, 2014 9:06 p.m.

    Uteology

    Utah has had TWO great win, Top 25, conference winning seasons in their entire history, 2004 and 2008, and NOTHING else.

    Despite your cherry-picked stats, the overall record speaks for itself.

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 17
    Utah 5

    Bronco 4
    Kyle 2

    11+ win, Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 11
    Utah 2

    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    If the Utes were anywhere close to as good as you claim they are, Utah certainly would have had more than TWO 11+ win, Top 25 finishes in their entire history.

    From a national perspective, NOBODY outside of that crimson bubble on the hill cares if you beat BYU or a ranked Stanford.

    No matter how you spin it, bottom line, you weren't good enough to finish with a winning record or qualify for a bowl.

    It's laughable that Utah fans claimed that they could compete with anybody when they were in the MWC, but now that the reality of being in the PAC 12 has slapped them in the face, all they can do is make whiny excuses of how other teams wouldn't have fared any better.

    The record versus PAC 12 teams says otherwise:

    Bronco 9-9(50%)
    Kyle 31-21(38%)

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    June 7, 2014 10:00 p.m.

    Mormom Ute & others: T Holmoe might be in process of exchanging the So Miss game away in 2015 for the home game against them in 2016. There is also a possibility of doing the same with Utah State. I look for one of the two to happen. Mark my words.

    Also, being the home and home with UCLA just came about, I am sure that the UCLA games were in the works when Alabama came calling. Otherwise, BYU would have probably bailed them out.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2014 1:08 a.m.

    @ Jealous U

    Play a big-boy schedule, then spout off. BYU has never had to deal with the week in, week out grind that the P5 teams do. You guys looked great against MTSU last year though.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    June 8, 2014 8:56 a.m.

    @2FEr

    MTSU was one of the best teams in the country at forcing turnovers last year. They also finished for the third year in a row being bowl eligible. What they need to improve on is playing with a cool head. At least two of their losses could have been wins had they not extended drives with DUMB penalties. MTSU is better than Cal and Colorado as well as a host of lower echelon P5 schools. Sure Utah can currently best them. Give another four years of MTSU and Utah doing what they are currently doing and MTSU likely will be the better team.

    @Jealous U

    Utah actually has FOUR undefeated seasons in its history. The two early undefeated ones came such a long time ago you have to dig up the stats. They only played 7 or 8 games back then though. Utah used to be a pretty good regional program before Edwards. They thoroughly dominated Colorado School of the Mines, BYU and Fort Douglas.

    Still I think BYU's accomplishments far outshine Utah. Utah has beaten four marquee teams that don't include BYU (Bama, Michigan, TCU and Stanford). BYU has a lot more. Utah has bad losses.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 8, 2014 4:41 p.m.

    Steven S Jarvis
    Orem, UT
    @2FEr

    "MTSU was one of the best teams in the country at forcing turnovers last year. They also finished for the third year in a row being bowl eligible. What they need to improve on is playing with a cool head. At least two of their losses could have been wins had they not extended drives with DUMB penalties. MTSU is better than Cal and Colorado as well as a host of lower echelon P5 schools. Sure Utah can currently best them. Give another four years of MTSU and Utah doing what they are currently doing and MTSU likely will be the better team."

    MTSU played againtst the #104 ranked SOS last season and Utah against the #3 ranked SOS....Do U honestly beleive there's any comparison here?

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 8, 2014 4:45 p.m.

    Steven S Jarvis--

    @2FEr

    "MTSU was one of the best teams in the country at forcing turnovers last year. They also finished for the third year in a row being bowl eligible. What they need to improve on is playing with a cool head. At least two of their losses could have been wins had they not extended drives with DUMB penalties. MTSU is better than Cal and Colorado as well as a host of lower echelon P5 schools. Sure Utah can currently best them. Give another four years of MTSU and Utah doing what they are currently doing and MTSU likely will be the better team."

    MTSU would get smashed playing against CAL's/Colorado's SOS'....Do U honestly believe there's any comparison here?

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    June 8, 2014 4:53 p.m.

    2fer

    Qualify for a bowl playing a Top 40, then U can spout off about playing a "big boy" schedule.

    -------------------------

    Steven S Jarvis

    Utah only has two 11+ win seasons in their entire history.

    Undefeated seasons playing fewer than 10 games are meaningless. Nobody is impressed with 6-0-2 "undefeated" seasons in which the Utes were SHUT OUT 0-0?

    The 3-9 Michigan team Utah beat was THE WORST Michigan team in the last half century.

    TCU, like Utah, is a johnny-come-lately program - I wouldn't count the Horned Frogs as being an "elite" team any more than I would count Boise State.

  • never break .500 Los Angeles, CA
    June 8, 2014 6:04 p.m.

    Could those grapes be any sourer than Ute fans here? BYU got home and home from a much better school athletically and scholastically than the Utes. UCLA is unlikely to end either season sub .500 like you- know-who most certainly will…other teams in PAC12 are good…maybe you can be too…one day…not anytime soon, of course. Bowl games are so sweet. Can you remember those? Let's see who gets ranked next, shall we? I hear Coach Whit begging for work in 2015.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    June 8, 2014 8:25 p.m.

    @Jealous U

    That win against Michigan still rings true as one of Utah's best. Yep Michigan began sucking the year before that and still hasn't seen a shade of glory since that disaster; however Utah still beat them when the school was perceived as one of the best programs and was ranked at the time. Utah may even beat them again this year and the next too. It still marks one of the few times Utah has beat a storied program other than BYU.

    The problem finding quality wins for a program such as Utah, especially if one is to discount any victory over other MWC/WAC teams is that Utah historically hasn't played in many big games. They were losing to D2 teams Boise State and Idaho so no one took them serious. They have had even fewer big time programs visit RES. Their bowl history is short and only the one win against Alabama is impressive. The PAC12 will give them more chances for big wins; however they are more likely to lose than not.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    June 8, 2014 8:35 p.m.

    Utah will rarely win six in the PAC12.

    1) The PAC12 has become so much more balanced and stronger than it was a decade ago.
    2) Utah has created inconsistency by hiring new coaches/coordinators each year.
    3) Utah will soon be disallowed from scheduling D2 teams as playing in the Power Five will likely require it.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2014 11:56 p.m.

    @ Steven S Jarvis

    MTSU was the beneficiary of a ridiculously weak schedule. They are not a quality team and would probably win, at most, 3 games if they switched schedules with Cal or CU.

    @ Jealous U

    If Utah played BYU's schedule:
    UVA -win
    BYU - win
    MTSU - win
    USU - win
    Idaho St. - win
    Nevada - win
    Houston, Boise, and GT are possible wins for the U as well.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    June 9, 2014 1:19 p.m.

    Johnny Triumph
    American Fork, UT
    I don't recall seeing any Independent stickers on cars in Utah Valley but, for some reason, I've seen PAC12 bumper stickers...and no Ute stickers. Strange thing to cheer for a conference and not one's own team.

    _________

    Maybe not stickers. But there are plenty of "Band of Buddies" t-shirts around Utah Valley. You know, the ones with the New Mexico St, Idaho, Idaho St. & BYU logos on them.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    June 9, 2014 1:30 p.m.

    Two For Flinching
    Salt Lake City, UT
    @ BigCougar

    Colorado does have a long history of winning. Likewise, WSU played in the Rose Bowl in 1998 and 2003. Just because a team is down now, doesn't mean they will be forever.

    _________________

    Sorry BYU fans. Colorado's national title is more prestigeous than BYU's.

    Colorado beat Notre Dame in the Orange Bowl. And it was even a spilt with G.Tech.
    BYU beat a 6-6 Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl.