This is a great deal for the Cougars. Congratulations!
Good job Tom. This is welcome news! Go Cougars!
And so where are all the Ute criticizers who keep claiming no power conference
members will ever schedule games with BYU? Or that if one ever did, they would
never get a home-and-home deal?Is the PAC12 not actually a power
conference?When a school is an independent, it's not as easy to
schedule these sort of games. But there are plenty of big-name schools who do
still recognize the value of playing a nationally recognized program like BYU
who has been finishing more seasons nationally ranked in the top-25 than not.These games will continue to be scheduled when those schools get the
openings to do so. Those opportunities will continue coming about, much to the
chagrin of the anti-BYU Ute fans who simply don't know any better.
Awesome, nicely done BYU. Home and Home series to boot. Also nice to see that
it's not waaaay out in the future.
Again, welcome news in playing with UCLA. But, did you asked Alabama at all
Tom?Good job Tom!
UCLA: What FCS teams should we schedule for 2015 and 2016? How about BYU. The
cougars don't have very much talent, plus because of their recent scandal
they will have fewer scholarships.
A great team from the top of the PAC 10.2. Great series!
Does anyone know if one program had to pay the other to make this deal work?
Copacetic:"...where are all the Ute criticizers who keep
claiming no power conference members will ever schedule games with BYU?"First of all, this article was barely posted for 20 minutes before you
asked where all the Ute fans were. Just relax. Give us a couple of hours to
find out a new article had even been posted.Second, here's an
article where the Y finally gets a legitimate Home-&-Home, like the kind
Utah used to get from UCLA back when we were in the MWC, instead of another
one-off or 2-for-1 like the kind YOU usually get after leaving the MWC to play
WAC football, and your chief concern is......Utah fans? Haha! That
just goes to show who the "big brother" in this former rivalry is: the
Utes!That said, what's up with the 5-Home/7-Away game rotation?
"Big boy league" schools never have more Away games than Home. How
midmajorey of you. Had you seen OUR 2015 schedule? It's a 7-Home/5-Away
game rotation. Plus, we'll get 10 "Power 5" opponents that year,
with 6 at Home. You'll only get 3 "Power 5" opponents -- again --
with 0 at Home.
A very nice upgrade over the losing program on the hill for the 2015 season.
Much stronger opponent. Much better history. Much more respected. Much more
national cache. Much higher ranked on a far more regular basis. Just everything
about it is better.Nice job Tom.
UCLA: What team beat us 59-0 last time we played them? Oh that's right, it
I haven't ever seen byu get the first game in these home and homes with the
big boys. Why is that? And for those who think it doesn't mean
anything, how about you give me $1 million today and I'll give you $1
million a year from today
This is a good series for BYU and I am excited to see it.Too bad
UCLA will not get credit for beating a power 5 team.Only 5 home
games for 2015? That's kind of weak.
Good job by T.H. to upgrade the SOSDuckhunter, based on your post
BYU's is doomed. If the Y can't beat the lowly Utes then how are they
going to even compete against a "much stronger opponent (with) much better
history (and) much more respected (with) much more national cache (and) much
higher ranked?"It probably means much more beatings at the hands
of the PAC12. Since going Indy BYU has a .285 winning percentage against PAC12
conference yet an embarrassing .000 winning percentage against the Utes. LOL
The one downside to this is that it's September games, the part of the
schedule where it was generally assumed BYU would be able to schedule good
RE: Chris B."Does anyone know if one program had to pay the
other to make this deal work?"Yes, I have it on good authority
that UCLA is paying BYU a cool $20 million to play this series. Keep those
great questions coming.RE: Naval Vet"...instead of
another one-off or 2-for-1 like the kind YOU usually get after leaving the MWC
to play WAC football..." Not true. Since leaving the MWC, BYU
has scheduled home and homes with UCONN, Wisconsin, Houston, Virginia, UCF,
Boise State (extended series), Southern Miss, UNLV, Stanford, Cincy, USU, West
Virginia, Washington St, Nevade, East Carolina, Texas, Cal, and UCLA. In this
same period BYU has scheduled 2-for-1s with USC and Notre Dame. So I
guess you were using Ute math. Having 18 1-for-1s is actually more than the two
2-for-1s BYU has scheduled. Gee, it seems kind of "frantic and
emotional" of to suggest otherwise. Go Cougs!
RE: Chris B."And for those who think it doesn't mean
anything, how about you give me $1 million today and I'll give you $1
million a year from today"I don't think you understand how
contracts work. If the second game is cancelled by the visiting team, they are
the ones that pay the $1 million breach of contract. Win/Win for BYU.
My condolences BYU fans 5 home games all season. 1 home game in September and 1
home game in November, bummer.
Ah yes, the old "BYU home-and-home": First game on the road, return game
gets bought out. This used to be called a "one and done" or a "body
bag game", but BYU fans didn't like the thought of being one of those
teams who signs up for those types of games, so they changed the way it's
structured on paper.Enjoy your trip to LA, and don't spend all
the money in one place.
Great addition to BYU's schedule, but it calls into question much of the
speculation about why BYU didn't get Alabama on their schedule for 2015.
With UCLA they now have the feared 7th road game which many said was one of the
reasons BYU wouldn't want to play at Alabama.This does
significantly upgrade BYU's SOS for 2015. If they do well in 2015, it
could set them up to make some noise in 2016 with that schedule also shaping up
into a tough one. Of course in 2016 they will have another Pac 12 team on their
schedule in Utah.Duckhunter,Funny you should criticize
the program on the hill which has beaten BYU in football 4 years in a row and in
the past 12 months beaten BYU in just about every sport they play. I agree,
UCLA is better than Utah right now. Many expect them to challenge for the Pac
12 title for the next several years. BYU's September schedule in 2015
should be a good measure of their program. That month they play teams of the
caliber Utah plays every week. Of course they have the usual 6 cupcakes on the
schedule to ensure bowl eligibility.
This just can't be because byu is not prestegous like us and that's
why we don't play them anymore and so our brothers UCLA shouldn't play
them either because byu is not in a prestegous conference like we are so this is
just wrong.Go Utes!
Good for the cougars. Now keep this sincere thought in mind when you read my
post pleading to the Utes to buy out the games with BYU in 2017 & 18 as well
as two games against San Jose State.2016 and 2017! Why? Here are a
couple quotes from a study done comparing away non-conference games for the
PAC-12 and SEC. “. It’s hard to fault Utah, who as I noted earlier,
has played more road non-conference games than any other Pac-12 team since 2008.
(However,)UCLA (Texas A&M), Arizona State (Texas A&M, Texas Tech, UTSA),
and Arizona (Houston, UTEP, UTSA) have recently, or will shortly play teams in
Texas. All things equal, ASU/AZ have an extra recruiting card to play when
they can say “we will play here in Texas two times during your son’s
Utah needs to schedule a game in Texas, Louisiana, or Florida yesterday if they
plan to college career”.Nothing against BYU but the U really
needs to schedule games in Texas, Florida, and Louisiana. In addition we need
to schedule Hawaii for recruiting purposes also. Hopefully,
impossible to include BYU annually!
Utes will eat their words with a fork and spoon!Any bets on records
this year?Any bets on which coach will be fired first?Any bets on bets on who gets into a PLAYOFF game first?
The Ute commenters who are badgering this article are the same ones who were
clamoring 'Come on Dr. Hill, demand a 2 for 1 from BYU' three years
ago.Don't worry East Salt Lake, the deal with UCLA doesn't
do anything to threaten your reservation in the basement apartment of the mighty
As a BYU fan this stinks. We should not be patting ourselves on the back
because we are playing another PAC 12 school when we have to play 7 road games.
What makes me laugh though is the Power 5 conferacne schools play 7-8 home games
and making claims to being elite programs. If somehow BYU beats even half these
power 5 teams on the road in 2015 it will be a good year because they should
sweep the home schedule. ALL 5 GAMES. Crap. Hope season tickets are cheaper
@WHo Am I Sir?A Ute fan who gets IT!!!!I see the rivalry
as a lose lose situation for both teams. From the Y perspective they don't
increase exposure nor recruiting even if they win the game. Its the same
problem I see with playing Utah State; however I do think beating USU is
generally going to be a better win than the Utes most years. Beating a school
locally barely registers on the national scene. BYU already has
trips yearly to California and Texas. They need to work in more somehow. I
wanted a NFL stadium big game every year in Texas or a Texas bowl game for BYU
against the programs with the highest profiles to make that happen.As far as 5-7 home versus road, BYU will find a way to switch a game. The
most obvious choice is the Southern Miss game since the 2014 date in Provo has
6/5 Good for the cougars. Now keep this sincere thought in mind when you read
my post pleading to the Utes to buy out the games with BYU in 2017 & 18 as
well as two games against San Jose State.2016 and 2017! Why? Here
are a couple quotes from a study done comparing away non-conference games for
the PAC-12 and SEC. “. It’s hard to fault Utah, who as I noted
earlier, has played more road non-conference games than any other Pac-12 team
since 2008. (However,) “UCLA (Texas A&M), Arizona State (Texas
A&M, Texas Tech, UTSA), and Arizona (Houston, UTEP, UTSA) have recently, or
will shortly play teams in Texas. All things equal, ASU/AZ have an extra
recruiting card to play when they can say “we will play here in Texas two
times during your son’s college career. Utah needs to schedule a game in
Texas, Louisiana, or Florida yesterday if they plan to continue recruiting those
areas. Nothing against BYU but the U really needs to schedule games in
Texas, Florida, and Louisiana. In addition we need to schedule Hawaii for
recruiting purposes also. Hopefully, impossible to include BYU annually!
Good news, 8 games for 2016, which I have been a little worried about BYU
getting over 10 games. It would be great to get another three games set up for
2016 to have at least 11 games. Anyway that will be a good one to watch in 2015
because Hill will be a sr qb, so it could be a game that gets BYU in the spot
light. Let be honest this games will be in the spot light since it will more
then likely be aired by ESPN since it is BYU and UCLA. Go Blue, GO
You Ute fans are too funny. First you criticize BYU for not being
able to schedule quality opponents for home and home series.Then, when we
do, you instantly panic and attempt to spin the series to look bad.Your obsession is sugarcoating!
utah fan here to eat some crow....I didn't think that BYU could swing a
home and home with the likes of UCLA. Well done. One does have to wonder if
UCLA will buy out the trip to LES but I doubt that Mora/Guerrero would do that.
I am also pretty sure that the schedule shuffling is not done yet as I have a
hard time imaging BYU having only 5 home games next year. If it does stay a 5
game home schedule, than that would be an embarrassment. The roller coaster of
independence keeps rolling on with its twists and turns.
Actually, playing the Y makes sense for the U, since BYU spends most of each
season higher ranked than Utah. It's a chance for Utah to improve their SOS
and their national ranking. For BYU, it will just give in-state bragging rights
whenever they win. And since most of the U's recent wins over the Y have
gone to the last play of the game with a single score difference, BYU is bound
to start also winning on the scoreboard and not just on the stat sheet. Most ranking services give more credit for winning on the road. So
playing one extra road game really isn't that big of a deal. Whether at the
stadium in person or watching on a big-screen TV, we still get to watch all of
the games... which fans of other in-state schools can't claim.It always amazes me how many Ute fans keep coming back to continually post on
BYU articles. All evidence indicates they follow BYU every bit as much as they
do Utah. Their attention on these BYU articles (whether negative or positive) is
a feather in BYU's cap.
Duckhunter"Just everything about it is better."Including that extra away game. Yeah *cough* definitely better.
Lots of BYU hate in these comments. I just skimmed through them.Way
to go, Tom! Go Cougars!
Love the ute fans spin that UCLA will cancel the Provo game. I guess it speaks
volumes for the integrity of the pac schools if this is how ute fans thinks the
conference works.We will see if UCLA honors the contract. If so then uts
fans have egg on their face. If they don't honor the contract then the pac
has egg on their face. Either way u lose. Maybe ute fans should just keep
their opinions to themselves to avoid the embarrassment.I love my
Mormon Ute"but it calls into question much of the speculation
about why BYU didn't get Alabama on their schedule for 2015."That's obvious. Holmoe was already near closing the deal with UCLA at
the time BYU would have been contacted by Alabama. And I doubt Alabama would
have signed a contract for a return visit to Provo. Stop looking for drama.
And when are you Utes going to stop taking the bait? No BYU fan in
their right mind thinks that BYU has been better than Utah the past 4 years or
over the past decade. And BYU would not be doing any better in the PAC-12,
especially with Bronco as HC. Continually coming on these articles and throwing
out your 4 in a row just makes you look insecure and obsessive.
Wiscougarfan:"Not true...So I guess you were using Ute
math."As opposed to "cougar math" wherein UCLA is paying
the Y $20 million? Anyway, the one-offs and 2-for-1s that I was
referring to was vs. "Power 5" schools; not your fellow midmajors. As for your Power 5 schools, from 2011-2024, I see 3 games vs.
Wisconsin, with only 1 in Provo. I see 3 games with Virginia, with only 1 in
Provo. I see 3 games with Arizona, with only 1 in Provo. I see 3 games vs.
Texas, with only 1 in Provo. I see 3 games with USC, with only 1 in Provo. I
see only 1 game vs. WVU, and that's all the way back here on the east
coast. And of course all your ND games were 2-for-1s...despite the fact that as
of today, none of those games have been scheduled for Provo. Like I
said...one-offs and 2-for-1s are your usual scheduling formats.
Black&Blue:"And when are you Utes going to stop taking the
bait? No BYU fan in their right mind thinks that BYU has been better than Utah
the past 4 years or over the past decade. And BYU would not be doing any better
in the PAC-12, especially with Bronco as HC. Continually coming on these
articles and throwing out your 4 in a row just makes you look insecure and
obsessive."Of COURSE your fans don't "believe"
they're better than Utah, but they DO continue to try to "spin" it
that way. And that doesn't make US look insecure and obsessive. It makes
Y fans look that way. Own it.
AFCougColorado Springs, COAs a BYU fan this stinks. We should not be
patting ourselves on the back because we are playing another PAC 12 school when
we have to play 7 road games.---------Finally, a smart
BYU fan.While all the others are pounding their chests over this
(ducky, ducky), they are ignorant to the fact that it means SEVEN road games.
But after an hour and 45 posts, finally, at least one BYU fan got it right.
ConcinnityRichfield, UTIt always amazes me how many Ute fans
keep coming back to continually post on BYU articles. All evidence indicates
they follow BYU every bit as much as they do Utah. Their attention on these BYU
articles (whether negative or positive) is a feather in BYU's cap.---------Another Y fan ignorant to what's going on out
there.Go check out all the lame BYU fan comments on Utah articles
and then come back and eat your crow.Pretentious.
Naval Vet,Of COURSE your fans don't "believe"
they're better than Utah, but they DO continue to try to "spin" it
that way. And that doesn't make US look insecure and obsessive. It makes Y
fans look that way. Own it.Last I checked YOU are the one
frantically submitting post after post on BYU articles attempting to discount
and degrade anything that has to do with BYU. I'm pretty sure it
doesn't get much more obsessive or insecure than that my friend. Own it.
Glad to see the schedules getting full. It's a big job to put together a
whole schedule rather than just 3 every year. This is a good series but, dang--
that Sept of '15 is going to be a rough one. Hope BYU can get their act
together to win 3 out of the 4. A home & home in So. Cal. is always going
to be a good thing for recruiting. Nice job, Holmoe!
Does BYU have to copy EVERYTHING Utah does?Seriously. It's like
going to a party and watching your little brother walk thru the door 30 mins
later.We schedule Michigan (hone-home), then you do the same thing
(one-and-done).We play UCLA, you go after UCLA... and then try to
brag to us that you bagged a team we play every season.Of course,
that's in addition to everything else BYU has already copied from Utah.Maybe BYU should try something original next time.
Oh, the cougar envy is in high gear.
Last time BYU played UCLA in the Rose Bowl, the whole northern end of the
stadium was full of BYU fans, about 15,000. We were LOUD. Pretty sure the 200
Utah fans showing up for a Rose Bowl game vs UCLA don't make much noise. So
you see, UCLA makes more $$ when they schedule BYU than Utah. Thats incentive.
They have no incentive to schedule Utah. Sadly, they have to. Money losing
proposition for sure.Really made a lot of sense to not bring BYU
into the conference. Less money. Less competition. Much smaller fan base.Stupid move. Frankly, should have been BYU and Utah, not Utah and
Colorado. C'est la vie...
Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UTWhat are the odds that BYU
will leave it at 5 home and 7 away? You really want to take that stance? AFCoug
is just a "sky is falling" type of fan. He'll call it realistic,
but you got to show some faith in Tom Holmoe. He's done great with what he
has to work with.Hey downtrodden BYU fans, the Cougars have
scheduled games with 8 PAC 12 teams. Don't fret. We'll be fine.Go BYU!
@Black&Blue"No BYU fan in their right mind thinks that BYU has
been better than Utah the past 4 years or over the past decade."There must be many who aren't in their right mind. Though I'd say
that would apply to many Utah fans as well who think the reverse is by any
extreme degree. Funny thing is... there's a strong argument that the two
schools have been basically the same in the past 4 or over the past decade.
Their average Sagarin ranking over the past dozen years is marginally difference
(BYU is ahead by something like half a spot). Utah had the best individual years
obviously in that span and the head to head recently, but I would view the two
as roughly equivalent.
This kind of news really gets under their skin, doesn't it??
@BlueNtheFace "the Cougars have scheduled games with 8 PAC 12 teams.
Don't fret. We'll be fine"What about the six annual
cupcake games... that's the real problem that needs attention
@CopaceticWhen a school is an independent, it's not as easy to
schedule these sort of games. But there are plenty of big-name schools who do
still recognize the value of playing a nationally recognized program like BYU
who has been finishing more seasons nationally ranked in the top-25 than not.------------What? Notre Dame of the West has a hard time
getting these games?Nationally recognized program, that plays SEVEN
home games next year? Why couldn't you get ULCA to come to Provo? You
needed a home next year, not another road game.BYU goes from 2 game
season this year to 6 game season next year, nice job!
If you go and look at the local colleges BYU ranks first for articles written.
There seems to be two each day this off-season. Utah State is barely ahead of
Utah in second, with an article about every other day. Many of the Utah
articles are also BYU articles. Its no wonder Utah fans have to comment on BYU
and Utah State articles. They have so few things written on their own team.
Even when they do have something to comment on it usually involves BYU.BYU's scheduling has been pretty solid so far in independence. I am
still HOPING for a game against Army. I am VERY surprised there hasn't
been a game announced yet. BYU needs to go and get them on the schedule 2016.
I believe there is still a neutral site game with Army available that year.
I like the 2015 schedule. Huge number of MWC games on the schedule for the year.
It appears that BYU is trying to align itself (ala Notre Dame and the ACC) with
either the MWC or the AAC. I am not knocking the Cougars, they are playing teams
at the level where they can be successful. They should be able to get into a
bowl with this schedule maybe not a top 25 ranking, but a good fun bowl for the
fans to go to. Based on Utah's success, or lack there of in the PAC 10+2,
they should consider a similar schedule. Yeah I know they can't because of
their conference affiliation, but if they could they would be successful.
Whether either team likes it or not, the U and the Y play at about the same
level. In 2015 both will get pounded by UCLA, but one can crow they are members
of a power conference, and the other can cheer they are going to a bowl game.
Wow...looks like the cougar fan is all worked up on a two game deal (second game
has been bought out - mark it down).get back to me when you can
schedule UCLA every year.....foreverLOL
This is a nice game for the Y. Can't wait until we see the results in 2015
with that schedule. Will make these posts very interesting. Go 8-4 and you will
have something to brag about. Go 4-8 and it is time to eat crow.
I find it fascinating to read the comments on BYU articles and the back and
forth baiting that goes on. It's great that UCLA is going to
play BYU over the next couple of years. It just adds to BYU's national
reputation. Bleacher Report just ran an article on the Top 25 College Football
Towns for 2014. Of course BYU came in at #22 with Michigan coming it at number
one. I think the article says it all when they said that though BYU has one of
the most widespread followings of any college football team, nowhere is this
support better shown than on gamedays in Provo.Of course, it should
come as no surprise that Utah doesn't even come in as an honorable mention.
For a school that's supposed to have "arrived" on the national
scene with its membership in the PAC it sure is surprising that it doesn't
get more respect by the national media like BYU does. That's just weird.
worfMcallen, TXOh, the cougar envy is in high gear.---------Oh, so right.So envious because you finally
schedule a team we've been playing annually since 2011.LOL!Owned.
Tom in CAVallejo, CAThis kind of news really gets under their skin,
doesn't it??----------Oh yeah. Sure is. LOLWhat you should see is, BYU is late to the party... yet again.Doing something Utah has been doing with regularity since 2011, and will
continue to do for the indefinite future.You seriously expect Utah
fans to be impressed by that?LOL
BYU vs UCLA should be a good matchup. Still love the 59-0 game, which is on the
BYUtv Archive for those who want to watch it. Since the question
came up about Pac10 games on BYUtv, here are some you can see:2013 vs.
Wash2012 Ore St, Wash St2011 BYU @ Oregon St2010 Wash2009 vs. Ore St2008 59-0 game, AZ, at WashingtonSo, in the
last few years every home or neutral site game against a Pac-10 team is on the
BYUtv archive, as well as two road games. I will expect the future home and
neutral Pac 10 games to be the same. You are welcome to go back further, but I
stopped at 2008 since I was looking for 59-0.
All of the regulars here that are members of the LDS Church, that comment about
anything having to do with BYU/Utah Football really should review the talk by
Elder Russell M. Nelson from April's General Conference... start reading
from the 7th paragraph. Perhaps it may inspire you to do something better with
I don't recall seeing any Independent stickers on cars in Utah Valley but,
for some reason, I've seen PAC12 bumper stickers...and no Ute stickers.
Strange thing to cheer for a conference and not one's own team.
Tommy Hawk Crimson - you proved my point. lol.
What are some of these power conference games that utah has been scheduling for
years when they were in the mwc that BYU couldn't get, as I remember, All
the good teams came to Provo. As someone who lives outside of Utah, I could
care less about 5 home games as long as I get to watch on TV. I won't be
there to attend any of them. If the roles were reversed, I really don't
think utah could schedule any major conference teams to come to Salt Lake.
I saw this first in the PAC-12 news. It is on the front page of
UCLABruins.com.It is very positive.Still, we need a
@ USNGaryTexas A&M, Cal, Oregon, Arizona, UCLA, Oregon St.,
North Carolina, Louisville, Pittsburgh, and Indiana all came to Rice-Eccles
during our time in the MWC. Side note: Utah beat every single one of them.
Okay, problem solved. Scheduling is not a problem. Now there will be one more
legitimate game in between Middle Idaho Academy and Bo Didley Tech.
@USN GaryUtah managed to get the same PAC teams to come as BYU did.
In addition Utah played home and home with Louisville, Navy and Pitt. Utah DOES actually bring Michigan to Utah in 2015.BYU has long
been able to get big time programs into the state. That won't change for
the most part. The PAC12/BYU relationship is such that we will still see one to
three teams from that conference on a yearly basis. We will also likely see a
team from the ACC and B12 each year. The difficult part is getting SEC teams to
travel. They are notorious for NOT traveling. Of the four non-conference games
they play they might only go with one road game. They have always played the
easier schedule than the PAC12 because of that.
@ Johnny Triumph"I don't recall seeing any Independent
stickers on cars in Utah Valley."Of course you wouldn't see
that. Being independent is nothing to be proud of.
Two, I am not that impressed with half the teams you mentioned there since most
of them have played in Provo. There aren't that many.
LOL at the mental midgets that actually think BYU will be playing 7 road games
and only 5 home games next season. They will obviously be making some
adjustments to it and that news will come out when it is settled. There really
are some extremely dim people that post on here, most of them utah
"fans" but a few of them appear to be BYU fans as well.
Which of these is different? Which doesn't belong?Boise
StateCincinattiConnecticutEast CarolinaFresno StateHoustonNevadaSavannah StateSouthern MississippiUCLAUNLVVirginiaThese are the home opponents for BYU for the
next three years. One, UCLA, is considered to be a top caliber opponent.
@utahhawaiialumYou aks questions that litterally mean nothing.
Holmoe will make the adjustments he needs to make to balance the schedule and
BYU will have 6 home 6 road. Beyond that I couldn't care less which one
gets adjusted. Just more idiocy from the typical utah "fans" around
here.@who am ILooks good to me. All of them hold some
interest. Better than seeing some mix of wyoming, new mexico, hawaii, utep, etc.
come in every single year. Just because a team isn't top 25 ranked
doesn't mean they aren't interesting. The nice thing about
indipendence is most of them are just coming once and then a new one will
replace them the next year. Seeing something other than the exact same
opponenents every year is interesting all on its own. I understand
the utah "fan" narrative is to try to spin it as abysmal and
uninteresting but as someone who has had season tickets since 1980 I can tell
you it looks just fine to me. Some years will be better than others, I'm
fine with that. Tell me does it somehow help your inferiority complex to make
posts like that?
RE: Who Am I"Which of these is different? Which doesn't
belong?...These are the home opponents for BYU for the next three years. One,
UCLA, is considered to be a top caliber opponent."When you asked
your question I honestly couldn't decide which school didn't belong.
Maybe Savannah State but there were other crummy programs on your list. I had
to laugh I saw at the end that you explained that UCLA was the ONLY top caliber
opponent of the bunch. FACT: Of BYU's future home opponents in
the next three years FOUR have played in BCS bowl games in the last five seasons
and might be considered "top caliber opponents". FACT: None
of those teams were are called UCLA.FACT: There are some great
programs out there that aren't in P5 conferences. It is true
that UCLA has great tradition and is a great home matchup. But discounting
Cincy (2009, 2010), Boise State (2010), UCONN (2011), and UCF (2014) is very
much akin to saying that Utah was not a top program back in their glory days
(2004, 2008). Sorry, but I think 2004 Utah was great and so are many of
BYU's future home opponents.
@ USNGaryIt doesn't matter if you are impressed or not. The
fact that the list exists completely disproves this thought: "If the roles
were reversed, I really don't think utah could schedule any major
conference teams to come to Salt Lake." Also, from the list I posted only
the PAC-12 schools (excluding Oregon) have visited Provo.
@who am i sir?"These are the home opponents for BYU for the next three
years. One, UCLA, is considered to be a top caliber opponent."What makes them a top caliber opponent? Do they have to have recently won
something significant or have a long history of winning? Or is it just belonging
to the Pac10 that makes them top caliber? Belonging to the Pac10
doesn't qualify bottom feeder schools like Utah, Colorado or Wash St as top
caliber opponents. They also don't have long histories of winning and with
the exception of Wash St, they are in the beginning stages of establishing a
long history of losing.I don't see anything that qualifies UCLA
as a "top caliber" opponent but they are a nice opponent to have on the
schedule and a game that will be fun to watch (like the last time we played them
in Provo and destroyed them 59-0!).
@ BigCougarColorado does have a long history of winning. Likewise,
WSU played in the Rose Bowl in 1998 and 2003. Just because a team is down now,
doesn't mean they will be forever.
@WiscougarfanFACT: Of that list only ONE is a P5 program, all others
will go against BYU as far as the playoffs are concerned.Good luck
convincing people that BYU deserves a playoff spot playing 2-4 P5 teams a year.
theDailyObserver"Being independent is nothing to be proud
of."You've got it all wrong. BYU fans take
pride in the accomplishments their own school, rather than having to rely on the
accomplishments of schools in California to take pride in.
RE: Uteology"FACT: Of that list only ONE is a P5 program, all
others will go against BYU as far as the playoffs are concerned."That was exactly the point I was trying to make. Teams that
aren't/weren't in the P5/BCS have "made it" to the playoff
equivalent. Not only does BYU have the privilege of playing some of these elite
teams, there's no evidence to suggest they can't get to the
BCS/playoff just as their competitors did.
BYU probably has a stronger chance of going to a New Years Bowl than they have
ever had. Making the playoffs however is still a Hail Mary. Had they been in a
conference I believe that chance would be about the same as Utah's is.
Zero. Being independent, especially during this year and the next, BYU has the
best chance of making it. They still have to go undefeated and be picked by the
twelve to be a top four team. They also need to be picked higher than the
second team from the SEC/ACC and two other conference champions.Most
of the years I expect the teams in the playoff will not be undefeated. There
may even be a couple of two loss teams. On some years the PAC12, BiG and/or B12
will not get in, especially if the SEC and ACC manage to get two X-1 teams. Its
going to fun and interesting.BYU needs to stay its course WIN ITS
GAMES and that is all it can do.
@WiscougarfanThat was exactly the point I was trying to make. Teams
that aren't/weren't in the P5/BCS have "made it" to the
playoff equivalent. -----------Nope, not "teams"
but ONE team made it. Not a single mid-major in that list made it
into a BCS bowl, only Utah did under the "top 6 rule". After the change
that Utah forced in 2004 then and only then did the other teams make it. I
could be wrong, but my understanding is that the playoffs will be even more
strict.“Prior to 2005, non-BCS schools had to finish in the
top six to get an automatic berth. That meant the likes of Tulane (12-0, No. 10
in 1998) and Marshall (13-0, No. 12 in 1999) didn't get a shot. Utah did
break through, finishing sixth in 2004. It took the threat of Congressional
intervention for the qualification standards to be loosened prior to the 2005
season. Since then, WAC champions Boise State (2006) and Hawaii (2007) have
taken advantage of the top 12 threshold to cash in on lucrative BCS
paydays.”-- Dennis Dodd (CBS Sports Senior Writer)
@WiscougarfanIf the "top 6 rule" was active throughout the
16 years of BCS then these teams would be the only ones that would have
qualified automatically:Utah: 2004, 2008TCU: 2009, 2010So only TWO teams in 16 years.Both teams that BYU is on an 8
game losing streak against. Both teams that have struggled in tougher P5
UteologyUtah has had TWO great win, Top 25, conference winning
seasons in their entire history, 2004 and 2008, and NOTHING else.Despite your cherry-picked stats, the overall record speaks for itself.AP Top 25 FinishesBYU 17Utah 5Bronco 4Kyle
211+ win, Top 25 FinishesBYU 11Utah 2Bronco
3Kyle 1If the Utes were anywhere close to as good as you claim
they are, Utah certainly would have had more than TWO 11+ win, Top 25 finishes
in their entire history.From a national perspective, NOBODY outside
of that crimson bubble on the hill cares if you beat BYU or a ranked Stanford.
No matter how you spin it, bottom line, you weren't good enough
to finish with a winning record or qualify for a bowl.It's
laughable that Utah fans claimed that they could compete with anybody when they
were in the MWC, but now that the reality of being in the PAC 12 has slapped
them in the face, all they can do is make whiny excuses of how other teams
wouldn't have fared any better.The record versus PAC 12 teams
says otherwise:Bronco 9-9(50%)Kyle 31-21(38%)
Mormom Ute & others: T Holmoe might be in process of exchanging the So Miss
game away in 2015 for the home game against them in 2016. There is also a
possibility of doing the same with Utah State. I look for one of the two to
happen. Mark my words.Also, being the home and home with UCLA just
came about, I am sure that the UCLA games were in the works when Alabama came
calling. Otherwise, BYU would have probably bailed them out.
@ Jealous UPlay a big-boy schedule, then spout off. BYU has never
had to deal with the week in, week out grind that the P5 teams do. You guys
looked great against MTSU last year though.
@2FErMTSU was one of the best teams in the country at forcing
turnovers last year. They also finished for the third year in a row being bowl
eligible. What they need to improve on is playing with a cool head. At least
two of their losses could have been wins had they not extended drives with DUMB
penalties. MTSU is better than Cal and Colorado as well as a host of lower
echelon P5 schools. Sure Utah can currently best them. Give another four years
of MTSU and Utah doing what they are currently doing and MTSU likely will be the
better team.@Jealous UUtah actually has FOUR undefeated
seasons in its history. The two early undefeated ones came such a long time ago
you have to dig up the stats. They only played 7 or 8 games back then though.
Utah used to be a pretty good regional program before Edwards. They thoroughly
dominated Colorado School of the Mines, BYU and Fort Douglas.Still I
think BYU's accomplishments far outshine Utah. Utah has beaten four
marquee teams that don't include BYU (Bama, Michigan, TCU and Stanford).
BYU has a lot more. Utah has bad losses.
Steven S JarvisOrem, UT@2FEr"MTSU was one of the
best teams in the country at forcing turnovers last year. They also finished for
the third year in a row being bowl eligible. What they need to improve on is
playing with a cool head. At least two of their losses could have been wins had
they not extended drives with DUMB penalties. MTSU is better than Cal and
Colorado as well as a host of lower echelon P5 schools. Sure Utah can currently
best them. Give another four years of MTSU and Utah doing what they are
currently doing and MTSU likely will be the better team."MTSU
played againtst the #104 ranked SOS last season and Utah against the #3 ranked
SOS....Do U honestly beleive there's any comparison here?
Steven S Jarvis--@2FEr"MTSU was one of the best
teams in the country at forcing turnovers last year. They also finished for the
third year in a row being bowl eligible. What they need to improve on is playing
with a cool head. At least two of their losses could have been wins had they not
extended drives with DUMB penalties. MTSU is better than Cal and Colorado as
well as a host of lower echelon P5 schools. Sure Utah can currently best them.
Give another four years of MTSU and Utah doing what they are currently doing and
MTSU likely will be the better team."MTSU would get smashed
playing against CAL's/Colorado's SOS'....Do U honestly believe
there's any comparison here?
2ferQualify for a bowl playing a Top 40, then U can spout off about
playing a "big boy" schedule.-------------------------Steven S JarvisUtah only has two 11+ win seasons in their
entire history. Undefeated seasons playing fewer than 10 games are
meaningless. Nobody is impressed with 6-0-2 "undefeated" seasons in
which the Utes were SHUT OUT 0-0?The 3-9 Michigan team Utah beat was
THE WORST Michigan team in the last half century.TCU, like Utah, is
a johnny-come-lately program - I wouldn't count the Horned Frogs as being
an "elite" team any more than I would count Boise State.
Could those grapes be any sourer than Ute fans here? BYU got home and home
from a much better school athletically and scholastically than the Utes. UCLA
is unlikely to end either season sub .500 like you- know-who most certainly
will…other teams in PAC12 are good…maybe you can be too…one
day…not anytime soon, of course. Bowl games are so sweet. Can you
remember those? Let's see who gets ranked next, shall we? I hear Coach
Whit begging for work in 2015.
@Jealous UThat win against Michigan still rings true as one of
Utah's best. Yep Michigan began sucking the year before that and still
hasn't seen a shade of glory since that disaster; however Utah still beat
them when the school was perceived as one of the best programs and was ranked at
the time. Utah may even beat them again this year and the next too. It still
marks one of the few times Utah has beat a storied program other than BYU.The problem finding quality wins for a program such as Utah, especially
if one is to discount any victory over other MWC/WAC teams is that Utah
historically hasn't played in many big games. They were losing to D2 teams
Boise State and Idaho so no one took them serious. They have had even fewer big
time programs visit RES. Their bowl history is short and only the one win
against Alabama is impressive. The PAC12 will give them more chances for big
wins; however they are more likely to lose than not.
Utah will rarely win six in the PAC12.1) The PAC12 has become so
much more balanced and stronger than it was a decade ago.2) Utah has
created inconsistency by hiring new coaches/coordinators each year.3) Utah
will soon be disallowed from scheduling D2 teams as playing in the Power Five
will likely require it.
@ Steven S JarvisMTSU was the beneficiary of a ridiculously weak
schedule. They are not a quality team and would probably win, at most, 3 games
if they switched schedules with Cal or CU.@ Jealous UIf
Utah played BYU's schedule:UVA -winBYU - winMTSU - winUSU - winIdaho St. - winNevada - winHouston, Boise, and GT
are possible wins for the U as well.
Johnny TriumphAmerican Fork, UTI don't recall seeing any
Independent stickers on cars in Utah Valley but, for some reason, I've seen
PAC12 bumper stickers...and no Ute stickers. Strange thing to cheer for a
conference and not one's own team._________Maybe
not stickers. But there are plenty of "Band of Buddies" t-shirts around
Utah Valley. You know, the ones with the New Mexico St, Idaho, Idaho St. &
BYU logos on them.
Two For FlinchingSalt Lake City, UT@ BigCougarColorado
does have a long history of winning. Likewise, WSU played in the Rose Bowl in
1998 and 2003. Just because a team is down now, doesn't mean they will be
forever._________________Sorry BYU fans. Colorado's
national title is more prestigeous than BYU's.Colorado beat
Notre Dame in the Orange Bowl. And it was even a spilt with G.Tech.BYU
beat a 6-6 Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl.