Isn't it obvious that there is no GOP/Tea Party alternative to the
Affordable Care Act, aka Obamacare?Isn't it a fact that many
Republican governors, including the Utah one, are now asking for bits of ACA, if
not the whole thing?Isn't it a fact that the issue really gins
up the base, but leaves the rest of us tired of the endless, mindless opposition
to what is a relatively good bill?Isn't it a fact that unless
we have a Republican President, with a filibuster proof Senate, and a majority
in the Congress, that the ACA will never be repealed?Like it or not,
the law is here to stay. Efforts by Republican/Tea Party people would best
serve their constituents by working to change the deleterious portions of the
law. Of course, that might be serving the interests of the majority of their
constituents. The RTP'ers seem be looking only to slime the President and
anything a Democrat might do. So I don't expect anything to change. We
are still fighting about Roosevelt, and the man is dead for 70 years!
Has the GOP accepted reality? No, and accepting Obamacare will come if and when
Prisoners marched to the gallows for execution have no say in their future.Pretty much the same for Republicans who do not have the votes to repeal
or replace Obamacare. The Republicans in the House have passed numerous bills
to repeal or modify this train wreck, but Harry Reid refuses to even allow a
vote on them in the Democrat controlled Senate. A few conservatives (not
necessarily synonymous with "Republicans") have boldly stood up in the
Senate trying to get them to take action to modify Obamacare. But wise and
brave Senators like Ted Cruz, Mike Lee and Rand Paul were not backed up by other
"moderate" (or despicable, in my opinion) "Republicans."Remember, "If you like your doctor, you can keep him" was a
promise, not a guarantee. In reality, it will be more like "If you can find
a doctor, you will be lucky."Obamacare is only one aspect of our
formerly great and prosperous nation that is being systematically destroyed by
Obama. Too often Republicans are merely sitting by talking "moderation"
and doing nothing to save us.
GOP acceptance of the Affordable Care Act will be proportionate to their
constituency's coming to embrace it. They won't be able to do
Yes, as more of their constituents become insured for the first time, it becomes
difficult to insist on repeal. Now they say, well we like the "no
pre-existing conditions" part and we like the "you're on until
you're 26 part", etc. (naming each portion of the ACA), but "we
don't like the law!" Yeah, ok, whatever. If that helps you win
elections with the totally uninformed, I guess do whatever it takes. Only the
most uninformed think that you can pay for all of these "good" parts of
the law without the individual mandate (which apparently now is the only part of
the law Republicans don't like.)
What the progressive Repubs recognize their is a growing number of takers in the
country. That's a hard hurdle to overcome. All empires fall when the people
want to be taken care of, and were a declining empire. Just consider obamacare
another nail in the coffin. Follow the shining light of conservative, and gospel
principles. You'll be okay.
@ordinaryfolksNo, it is not a fact that the GOP has no alternative
to Obama Care. It is a fact that no liberal media outlet will report on
it.The Republican plan has been out there since the days of Newt
Gingrich. It focuses on reducing the cost of health care so everyone can afford
it. That is something that should be done regardless of who pays for it.The Democrats are in bed with the American Trial Lawyers Association.
They will never support reasonable malpractice reform. In fact Obama Care
outlaws any tort reform related to medical malpractice. The gotta take care of
@The Rock – “They will never support reasonable malpractice
reform.”The most generous estimates suggest medical
malpractice costs account for 1-2% of total costs… hardly the fix needed
for the country who spends double what the next most advanced county in the
world spend per capita on medical care.Until conservatives recognize
that the market for medical care is fundamentally different than the market for
toasters (and will not respond to the same competitive market signals) their
ideas on how to reform the system will all be small band aids at best and (since
ideology often provides the wrong answers) potentially misguided & harmful.
Has the GOP accepted Obamacare?=========== Accept it?Heck, they were the one's who invented it in the first place!
Democrats flip out if Republicans touch ObamaCare, or even mention ObamaCare.But that's sorta understandable. You would keep an eye on them and
maybe even over-react sometimes if somebody in your family tried to steal YOUR
baby...I think they know they "can't touch this" (MC
Hammer)... they've been beaten over the head over it about enough by now I
would think.Now it's time to let the American experience
ObamaCare in all it's glory. Of course all of it doesn't get
implemented for 4 more years but... when it does... we will see if the people
really like it or not.If they don't... that's tough...
because you can't touch it, or Democrats will FREAK out...So I
hope we like it. Or at least where it's intended to lead us (in the next
They've accepted Obamacare as long as they can make people think it's
something other than Obamacare. Like how McConnell dismissed a reporter's
question about getting rid of Kynect (Kentucky's Obamacare exchange)
suggested that that's unrelated to repeal of Obamacare.
Republicans hate ObamaCare, right up until they are clicking "confirm"
Obamacare never was about healthcare, rather, it was all about CONTROL. We had
it (control of our healthcare) and the government thought THEY should have
it.Obamacare is not sustainable; unless you accept the fact that
premiums/deductibles will continue to rise until they devour 50% or more of your
paycheck. How high do the supporters of Obamacare need to see the premiums rise
until they decide Obamacare isn't the answer?BTW - The
"subsidies" costs will be absorbed by the middle class - further
deteriorating their take-home income. The "rich" aren't
interested in paying them (and are able to "buy" their way with
legislators so they aren't required to), and the "poor" don't
have the means to pay them. That leaves all of US in the middle class to pay
@2 bitsWell ya, I wouldn't let someone who threatened to kill my baby
50 plus times anywhere near it. The Republicans aren't suggesting changes
or improvements. They want to throw the whole thing out. So for me your analogy
falls a bit flat.
More people are avoiding the punishment by signing up, but their health care
options are getting worse and more expensive. Losing their doctor, losing the
plans they liked, etc. not being able to FIND a doctor in their area that will
accept Obamacare.Ordinaryfolks,So as an alternative to
drowning, you want the GOP to propose, what, strangulation? DOING NOTHING is
better than doing damage.Wonder, See my first comment
above.TylerD,Thanks for NOT denying dems will not accept
malpractice reform. The “cost” you talk of does NOT consider the
cost of unnecessary tests, etc to avoid being sued, just premium costs. But
that is only ONE of the points of the GOP plan. I guess you see no problems
with the rest of it since that is all you can attack.Open mindedThe GOP does not accept it, and opinion polls show most of the US opposes it.
And no, they did not invent it in the first place. None of them, not one, was
allowed ANY input into the process. To say they invented it is like saying Marx
invented the United Order.
All these "Conservatives" still passing around old lies and inventing
new ones about Obamacare will keep complaining about it forever.Some
of them are still mad at FDR for creating Social Security, but they're more
than happy to benefit from it.As long as we can keep Republicans
AWAY from the reins of power, they're bark is worse than their bite. So let them bark, and whimper, and whine, and make up tall tales, and
howl at the moon.I don't care.
The first question of the poll is: "How well do you think you
understand this new health care law and how it will impact you?"Only 14% of respondents said they understand the law "very well".So they are giving their opinion about a subject that has been the
object of the largest mis-information campaign in history and they don't
really understand the law.I wonder what the results would be if the
people actually understood the law and had not been inundated with conservative
@The RockFirst of all if you want to go back to Newt Gingriches plan, the
ACA incorporated a bunch those ideas(including the dreaded individual mandate)
As for tort reform, what kind of reforms are proposed, all i've ever seen
is damage caps, which I completely disagree with. There should be no cap on the
actual costs of caring for a person who is injured due to malpractice, even if
it means millions of dollars for lifetime care, If a doctors causes a permanent
or expensive injury why isn't it their job(or insurances job) to fix it?
Seeing a 5 or 10 million dollar judgement for someone like this may seem like a
lot. But if you need daily medical care you could run through that money in less
than 10 years.
@lost in DCWest Jordan, UTThe GOP does not accept it, and
opinion polls show most of the US opposes it. ============ Those polls are wrong.Because, many - like me - are counted as
being opposed as well.We want a full-blown Single-Payer option.
Re: Open Minded MormonYep, Obamacare was invented by Republicans
and first implemented by their 2012 standard bearer Willard Mitt Romney! Weird?
Bizarre? It doesn't get any crazier than this.
@lost in DC – “The “cost” you talk of does NOT consider
the cost of unnecessary tests, etc to avoid being sued, just premium costs. But
that is only ONE of the points of the GOP plan. I guess you see no problems with
the rest of it since that is all you can attack.”Fair point,
however a strong argument (backed by lots of evidence) can be made that this is
largely due to our fee for service payment mechanism. Doctors are as interested
in the next person in making money, so why do one test for $100 when five more
will be paid for just as readily.Regarding the “GOP
Plan” uh no… it has loads of problems – mainly because, again
the GOP sees the market for healthcare as fundamentally the same as the market
for toasters (it is not) making their “free market” solutions
misguided and even harmful.
The alternative to Obama Care should be for the Federal Government to get out of
the kitchen. There is too much regulation, too many mandated federal forms,
just plain too many rules for doctors. My personal doctor 15 years ago had 1
nurse, two office people and that was it. Now just for the paperwork he has 6
office people. His costs have gone up because of the government.By
the way, there doesn't need to be a Republican alternative to Obama Care.
Why you ask? The best thing that Congress and the President could have done was
to take down the state line barriers and let insurance companies ensure across
state lines. It's not called Blue Cross of Utah for aesthetic reasons,
it's because Blue Cross had to incorporate here in Utah. Duh.