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Investigators search homes of former attorneys general John Swallow, Mark Shurtleff

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  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    June 2, 2014 7:07 p.m.

    I wish we had similar efforts on a national level for ongoing scandals and criminal dealings.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    June 2, 2014 7:11 p.m.

    Payday loans have been a protected industry with the previous AGs and legislators not protecting the public who are susceptible to use this business. Utah doesn't allow gambling but an industry that takes from the poor and makes rich richer. The Utah GOP even has leaders in that industry.

    The Feds decided long ago that there were no criminal wrongdoing in this case with all their resources available. Why are they tagging along now?

    The two men involved may fight it but the one said he would not resign but ended up doing that. Above the law is what many people in high places have said until they lost the high place.

    This is not good for the state if what the Salt Lake District attorney validates with the search leads to further processes. What happened in April 2012 during the GOP convention with the putting into process of John Swallow as the AG with hidden money will make other politicians think twice about trying the same act.

    Who stole the cookie from the cookie jar?

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 2, 2014 7:21 p.m.

    If there are real crimes, then go for it. If it is just a partisan witch hunt and fishing expedition by SL County Attorney Sim Gill (not out of the question!) then I hope they can sue their false accusers into bankruptcy.

    As a previous poster alluded to, even if true, these are piddly charges compared to the magnitude of corruption and lawlessness we see daily at the Presidential and U.S. Attorney General level.

  • Lia Sandy, UT
    June 2, 2014 7:25 p.m.

    What took so long? These guys are shrouded in suspicion, murky dealings, bad people, all kinds of bad medicine. Their homes would likely not have any dirt, if they were smart. But...they dont appear too smart getting to this point. I smell big trouble here.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    June 2, 2014 7:49 p.m.

    Gosh, do you think these two had enough of a heads up?

    With all the good ol' boys and gals they know working within Utah's Criminal so-called justice system, how could they not have been forewarned?

    They had plenty of time to remove anything incriminating well before any search was conducted.

  • Lia Sandy, UT
    June 2, 2014 7:54 p.m.

    Good. Playtime is over. Time to pay the piper

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    June 2, 2014 8:43 p.m.

    BYU alu: really glad you didn't say or intimate that these charges were shaky or politically motivated. These seem to be based on solid evidence to obtain a search warrant. At the national level, the same standard applies: if a judge sees evidence of wrong doing, they will issue a search warrant. If none exists, we will continue to be treated to a continuing political dog and pony show to try to make the other side weaker going into the fall election and the one in 2016.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    June 2, 2014 9:23 p.m.

    What do they expect to find this long after the investigations have been made public. If these guys have something to hide, I would think they have had more than sufficient time to hide it.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    June 2, 2014 9:27 p.m.

    I wonder if Caroon has the same amount of confidence in Eric Holder and Obama that he does Sam Gill.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2014 6:49 a.m.

    Because these two ran up the conservative banner they get misplaced partisan support. This is the root of the problem. Talk the Utah talk, then commit criminal activity and get supported by the team.

  • cavetroll SANDY, UT
    June 3, 2014 7:20 a.m.

    @ DN Subscriber

    "If there are real crimes, then go for it. If it is just a partisan witch hunt and fishing expedition by SL County Attorney Sim Gill (not out of the question!)"

    Did you forget that Davis County Attorney Troy Rawlings, a REPUBLICAN, is also investigating this matter. Doesn't seem like so much of a witch hunt when it is a bipartisan investigation.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    June 3, 2014 7:33 a.m.

    BYU alum -

    "I wish we had similar efforts on a national level for ongoing scandals and criminal dealings."

    What ongoing scandals and criminal dealings?

    Oh you mean the scandalous behavior of Republicans willing to do serious harm to this nation and attribute it to Democrats??

  • Dante Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2014 7:50 a.m.

    These search warrants come as no surprise. I'll be highly surprised if they produce evidence of any value to the prosecution after all this time. The television news anchors I watched last night were breathless over the whole thing, repeating themselves endlessly. One could mistakenly have thought that something momentous had occurred. One reporterette complained that as she and her crew were trampling a neighboring garden and front yard, the neighbor "deployed" sprinklers to drive them off. Gimme a break. Much ado, but not much will come from all this.

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2014 9:47 a.m.

    Some of the comments make it seem like getting a search warrant is a slam dunk. The prosecutor just can't tell the judge that "something smells fishy and we need a warrant". They need to make a specific allegation and show why they think they will find evidence of the allegation if the search is allowed. Also, thankfully judges of both parties sit on the bench in Utah and even better they run as non-partisan so no political game playing is likely.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    June 3, 2014 10:18 a.m.

    Welcome to the police state of Amerika. And thanks to the Deseret News for not telling the full story regarding the storming of Shurtleff's home.

    Readers of course will continue to support our politsiya and their militarized tactics.

    We used to be a free nation where we didn't need to worry that the government/police would storm our homes at any time. Now we can all live in fear of a government that wants to know everything you do at all times and has the full right to break down your day whenever they feel like it.

    The only remaining step is to take away our guns.

  • Rufio Saratoga, UT
    June 3, 2014 11:10 a.m.

    Going all in on my next bet - Sim running for AG as he has shown all of Utah how much he cares about doing what is right....or is he just another ambitious politician willing to do anything to create and grab headlines. Is there really something to investigate or do we have another fishing trip being paid for by the tax payers?

  • cavetroll SANDY, UT
    June 3, 2014 11:20 a.m.

    @ MapleDon

    I sincerely doubt the police "stormed" either Shurtleff's or Swallow's homes. I'm fairly certain they knocked on the door, maybe even called as they were driving up and informed both parties and their attorneys that they were going to serve warrants. And the warrants were served at 4:30 in the afternoon, not exactly breaking down the "day" (door?) whenever they feel like.

    And FYI, some warrants are allowed to be served any time, day or night, if the judge issuing the warrants allows it according to the 4th Amendment. Please remember that a judge must sign off on the warrant before it can be served.

  • 1978 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2014 11:21 a.m.

    I agree we should get to the bottom of what is happening. It is really necessary however to have four SWAT type officers ambush Mark Shurtleff's teenage son and daughter at home with guns drawn while she was using the bathroom? What threat were they expecting?

    You give Democrats (Sim Gill) power and guns through the use of government and this happens. Think Janet Reno and Elian Gonzoles for example. No wonder the Democrats want gun control and Republicans don't.

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    June 3, 2014 11:41 a.m.

    Finished listening to the Doug Wright show where Mark Shurtleff described the "Gestapo" tactics used in searching his home. My personal opinion is that Sim Gill is Eric Holders point man for the Democrat Party to inflict damage to Republicans. The Obama Admin is getting away with so much unconstitutional activity on a daily basis that this is just kids play to barge into someone's house while a child is using the bathroom. We really need to get to the bottom of this and that may mean connecting the dots of Holder's justice dept and Sim Gill.

  • BigBearHunter salt lake city, UT
    June 3, 2014 11:51 a.m.

    I find it interesting why federal prosecutors are looking into this spending tax dollars, while Holder is exempt from all wrong doings and corruption within the highest power of AG offices. Yet no one will even search his home, office or anything else because they are afraid of the consequences. If this is a country of free speech and the right to liberty and wrongful prosecution and civil rights from being pushed with abuse of powers, what does this say about the leaders. We have officers killing un armed Americans, and 99% go justified, we have politicians passing laws without the vote of the public, we are the people by the people and United we stand,

    Is this not what this Country is about anymore? We the people demand answers from Holder, or anyone else, yet a witch hunt like this is a waste of money and time, especially when we have so much more corruption in DC.

  • Politikyle Murray, UT
    June 3, 2014 12:39 p.m.

    From the other reports I have read I don't understand why the FBI had to go in full loaded with assault weapons and body armor. Couldn't they have knocked on the door first? Why are all of our law enforcement so eager to use maximum force. They were serving a warrant on a middle aged lawyer not a meth lab.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    June 3, 2014 1:26 p.m.

    I find it so ironic that just like Mr. Swallow, Shurtleff tries to make his case in the court of KSL's Doug Wright show and Conservatives come to drink from the trough, blaming Obama, Holder, Democrats, etc.

    If the facts are in Shurtleff's favor then the court of law, not the court of public opinion, will decide his fate. Until then, since we all know what happened with John Swallow after he repeatedly went on Doug's show and told everyone he did nothing wrong, making your case on the public airwaves is meaningless.

    Although the presence of weapons and tactical gear was undeniably intimidating, law enforcement are asked to do a job and have standard procedures for doing that job. Knowing their lives are always at stake, I don't blame them for taking extra precautions no matter what the situation.

    Ultimately, there are no reports of physical intimidation or violence against any of the Shurtleff family. Just the discomfort of knowing their father is under scruitiny and has been for some time now.

    Where there is smoke there is fire and it would never have gotten to this stage without considerable bipartisan recognition of that reality.

  • Jimmytheliberal Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2014 2:50 p.m.

    @D.N. News Subscriber...Once again my highly liberal views are continually denied by D.N. Monitors in fear of spreading knowledge to their uniformed masses. Anything to keep them in the dark! As soon as this story became news I knew you would be hard at work defending these two power players in Utah's neo-conservative Republican party. Once again yourself and the usual sheep attempting deflection by tying in our acting President. Remove the blinders my friends and begin thinking for yourselves rather then having someone (or an organization) thinking for you. In closing, as I have mentioned numerous times in retorts to your never ending nonsensical posts how about becoming part of the solution rather then continually attacking the President. This is clearly an ongoing problem concerning State politics and has absolutely nothing to do with the Federal Government but you knew that already!

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    June 3, 2014 4:09 p.m.

    The actions taken in collecting evidence at the
    residences of Mark Shurtleff and John Swallow
    are repugnant. A civil society should neither
    condone not accept it. Sim Gill needs to be
    investigated, the people deserve answers.

  • BigBearHunter salt lake city, UT
    June 4, 2014 12:11 p.m.

    After learning more how this was treated i am more than disgusted in how they served these warrants upon Shurtleff and his family. Here we have a man who served his state, put away countless pedophiles and put into action ways to catch offenders of minors, dealt with porn issues, fought banks when foreclosing wrongly on home owners and so so much more in the past.

    Now if it was me, and my kids had firearms pointed at them, i would be more than furious, this is not just a man, nor a threat and never has been therefore Gills excuse of "He knows how this works" Is another excuse for the fact that he is the puppet for the AG holder. If you want to know why, i will post below after spending hours of research on the beginning of this, the how, when, why and the snowball effect.

  • BigBearHunter salt lake city, UT
    June 4, 2014 12:18 p.m.

    follow up to my conclusion -1. This all started with Jeremy Johnson and his case, which btw I found that even the accused has the right to fair trial, speedy trial and they have denied him of this, not to mention the seize and sale of his assets before he was even convicted, and not to mention his bail for his arrest was for over a million dollars which is in the constitution and far exceeded the accused crime.
    2. Mr Johnson makes his case of evidence and comes up with recordings of Swallow
    3. He then has information about Harry Reid, which immediately a GAG order was placed =(Suspicious) Democrat leader and buddies of Holder and more.
    4 Swallow resigns, and now the case on Mr Johnson is in the dark, and the light is now on the so called Wrong doings of Shurtleff.
    Now if you think that this is all coincidence then you are blind, this administration has done everything in its power to deflect the American public from scandals related to them, hence the IRS probing, Benghazi, executive orders, and recently not going to congress to make a trade for terrorists, which is a direct violation of our American standards.

  • BigBearHunter salt lake city, UT
    June 4, 2014 12:38 p.m.

    @jimmytheliberal The very statement of "Neo Conservatives" is in itself again what the brainwashed wants to say, because they want their way or no way. Look I believe you have the right to freedom of speech and expression as the same as I. However the mass majority of Liberals have such hatred towards those who do not believe in their view points that they would take it to the extreme. Now as a Constitutionalist the character and beliefs of the person is theirs to own as long as it does not tread on the constitution. Now lets look at operation Choke Hold on the second amendment companies. This is your party doing this, those you voted in. And if you believe in putting Americans and businesses out of work and business who support the constitution that my past family died to fight for your very freedoms, then sir i would have to say you might just be shy of being "Neo Nazi"

  • FWJ Junction City, KS
    June 4, 2014 3:01 p.m.

    With respect for Martin Niemöller:......

    First they came for the Davidians, and I did not speak out--
    Because I was not a Davidian.

    Then they came for the Polygamists and I did not speak out--
    Because I was not a Polygamist.

    Then they came for the Republicans, and I did not speak out--
    Because I was not a Republican.

    Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

    Does our duty to obey, honor and sustain the law still apply, when the law becomes the tool of tyranny, and its enforcers instruments of cruelty?

  • Jimmytheliberal Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2014 3:31 p.m.

    @BigBear. First off I thank your family for their service as I'm certain you thank mine. Have a sister at The Pentagon and a nephew who is a SEAL. Second. Not sure what exactly your point is? Do you? Personally, I have zero hatred towards anyone solely based on their political affiliation rather utter shock and disbelief that people like yourself and DN News Subscriber continue to make excuses for these two top police officials just as perfect little sheep would. Wake up Sir! Like my original post stated this has absolutely nothing to do with our President, Benghazi, I.R.S. proping, Kenya, or anything else you hope will just stick. Third. Not sure what you are referring in regards to "Operation Choke Hold"? Possibly you could elaborate more clearly and specifically? Fourth. "Liberals putting people out of work and closing down businesses that support the Constitution"...Obviously that must have been the latest sound bite on Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Riely or another bastion of reality journalism. In closing, my suggestion was to become part of the solution rather then the problem by repeating the same old anti Obama/liberal rhetoric. As in calling someone a "Neo-Nazi"!

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    June 9, 2014 7:52 p.m.

    "Pepublicans Swallow and Shurtleff are targets in a months long criminal investigation" this was prominently placed in my opinion to stigmatize them as Repulbicans. It should have been pointed out in that same sentence that Sim Gill is a prominent Democrat.Actually it was several paragraphs later when this crtical bit of information was brought out.