What?? why would a player leave a mighty Pac powerhouse for a lowly nobody? Just
don't make sense
This seems to be a trend with back ups that have their degree's, and who
can blame them? They want to go to a place where they think they can get some
playing time.Interesting though that a full ride scholarship player
for a pac12 program can only be a walk on at a mwc school. Care to tell us why
that is christina?
Thanks for your time at the U Lucky, and congrats on your degree. Good luck!
Best of luck to him!I can't blame someone if they want playing
time. There were too many backs ahead of him. He'll get more time in the
WAC 2.0 than he would have here. Like I said, nothing wrong with
finding a place you can play at. Go utes!!
I don't think I have ever heard of this many players post-graduation
transferring. SDSU isn't exactly the first team I would have expected a
player from the PAC12 to transfer to as it is at best a lateral move. However,
Radley should be able to take the top spot at the program if the rumor turns out
to be true.
I'm sorry to see Radley leave the program. He was a play maker last year
and accomplished a lot with the minutes he had in the games. Good luck to
Radley at San Diego St!
Does he have to give the PAC-12 stickers back ?Good luck to him - I
think it's great they can play that last year somewhere else after
they've gotten a degree at one school.
jarka-rus...It makes plenty of sense, Utah's been able to
recruit better running backs which has left limited opportunities for Radley. If
anything this is symbolic of the improved talent joining the Utes.
Lucky's been a class act and a great spokesperson for the Utes. We'll miss you Lucky but you deserve to get your chance to shine.
Here's hoping you tear up the MWC while playing for the Aztecs!
Please fellow cougar fans. Don't go to the gutter like so many U fans when
something like this happens to BYU. Good luck to Utah this yr.
Smart move if he wanted playing time. He could probably start at San Diego State
next season since Adam Muema left.
Even though he will get to go to a bowl game now he won't be prestegous pac
brother anymore like us.Go Utes!
jarka-rusHe was 4th on the depth chart behind Bubba Poole, Devontae
Booker, and Troy McCormick. With only one year left of eligibility left, one
can't blame Radley for wanting to have a chance to play. We're seeing
a lot of this kind of movement in both college football and basketball
lately.I wish him the very best of luck.
How come when a Utah player transfers, most of the comments are congratulatory
and positive? But when a BYU player transfers, most of the comments, at least
from Utah "fans", are on the negative and sarcastic side?
guess the guy just wanted to feel what its like to play in a bowl game. Cant
blame him though. Wonder how fast he had to turn his pac ten window decals?
@u-pacUh.....BYU is the one that is "loaded" at the RB
position with superior players to anything utah has. lol at your delusion.
He was always knew the best coach was bronco.
Re: MaxIt appears there are a lot of BYU fans that wish they had
those stickers. Not sure if the AAC has stickers or not.Lucky is a
class guy and deserves an opportunity to play. I hope he gets it there. If
not, it's a pretty nice place to be.
Duckhunter"BYU is the one that is "loaded" at the RB
position with superior players to anything utah has."BYU's
got one very good back, that certainly doesn't mean they're loaded.
Thanks for the laugh though, I needed that.
@ Cosmo1974I've only seen one post from the BYU fans that
isn't sarcastic and negative.... The congratulatory and positive posts are
from Utah fans.
At least BEING in California in December brings all sorts of options
motorbike"BYU's got one very good back, that certainly
doesn't mean they're loaded"You obviously don't
know much about BYU's running backs.
Chamberlain"You obviously don't know much about BYU's
running backs."Feel free to enlighten me.
@motortrikeLet's say you are correct and BYU only has 1 rb, he
is still proven superior to anyone utah has. What rb at utah has even done as
much as lasike has for BYU? For that matter even Hine for BYU has done more by
being one of the top KR guys in the country. Yes in comparison to utah BYU is
loaded at rb. If any of the utah rb's ever does anything then you can get
back to us but until that point it is game, set, match, for BYU in this
motorbikeAverage Rushing Yards 2013BYU #10 267.3Utah #78
160.3Consider yourself enlightend.
@utah hawaii errrr upac, yes I know who you are. We were talking about
RB's, not wr's and BYU has superior rb's to utah. No one on
utah's roster is as good a rb as Williams is for BYU. And BYU has depth. As
for the rest of your nonsense, well utah took a backup qb from oklahoma, one
that had only completed 4 of 12 passes, and you guys are touting him as the
probable STARTER. utah also took a transfer qb from wyoming, yes that is right
WYOMING lol. You're floundering.
Re: Marked it Down"motorbikeAverage Rushing Yards
2013BYU #10 267.3Utah #78 160.3Consider yourself
enlightend."I'm sorry, but posting some stats about how
BYU's RB's did against their cupcake schedule versus Utah's
against the second toughest schedule in the country doesn't enlighten
anyone. Utah will do just fine with their RB's. Your numbers should be
even better this year with that schedule. I haven't heard anyone talking
yet about how Savannah State is against the run.
If there is anything more useless than a bachelors degree in sociology,
it's a sociology degree from door mat u "dmu"
Stringer Bell"posting some stats about how BYU's RB's
did against their cupcake schedule versus Utah's against the second
toughest schedule in the country doesn't enlighten anyone. Utah will do
just fine with their RB's."Get real.BYU played
a tougher schedule in 2013 than any schedule the Utes had played in their ENTIRE
HISTORY, prior to 2013, including rolling up 550 yards rushing against
"cupcake" Texas, the most rushing yards ever given up by the Longhorns
in their ENTIRE HISTORY!Utah fans are really getting desperate with
their labels, pretending that every team Utah plays is the creme-de-la-creme of
major college football elites, and every opponent that BYU plays is a cupcake.
@ Duckhunter"utah also took a transfer qb from wyoming, yes that
is right WYOMING lol. You're floundering."I
think this is an exaggeration. Utah hired Christiansen, and the kid obviously
wanted to keep playing for his coach. I don't think it has anything to do
with Utah's status. Although I will admit that it's nice to finally
have some depth at QB.
Uh...upacI alread listed BYU's backups, Lasike and Hine. Care
to tell us which of utah's rb's is superior to Williams and then
actually give proof as to why he/they are better? I know you cannot but it
should be funny reading your tortured logic as you attempt to do it. lol
u-pacThe numbers speak for themselves - against the 38th toughest
schedule in the country, tougher than any schedule Utah had faced prior to last
season - BYU averaged the 10th most rushing yards per game of any team in the
country...Average Rushing Yards 2013BYU #10 267.3Utah
#78 160.3including 550 rushing yards versus Texas, the most rushing
ever given up by Texas.Remind us the last Utah averaged 267.3
rushing yards per game against the 38th ranked SOS.Hint: It's
never happened, because prior to 2013, Utah had never played a schedule tougher
than the 41st SOS.Spin it anyway that helps you sleep at night, but
BYU had a very good rushing attack last season.btw, Utah only had
148 yards rushing versus Washington St, a team that gave up 226 rushing yards to
u-pac"Taysom Hill can't hit a farmer's barn at 20
yards..."So how do you explain Taysom being included on several
pre-season Heisman watch lists?As much as it pains you to admit it,
BYU is going to have a very explosive offense in 2014.BYU will bring
the whole offensive package, running, passing, and scoring.Watch and
learn.If you don't think BYU has a player who can play
fullback, youtube the video of Lasike literally knocking out a defender in
BYU's run to their 3rd straight national rugby championship, and that was
Gotta luv how Utah fans are slowly, but steadily, invalidating everything that
Utah accomplished, even though it wasn't much, prior to 2011, including
their miraculous 2004 and 2008 seasons.Weren't Utah's 2004
and 2008 SOS's ranked somewhere in the mid 50's and 60's?If BYU's 2013 schedule, ranked #38, is considered a
"cupcake" schedule, what does that say about Utah's 2004 and 2008
schedules?The truth is, Utah fans are forced to rely on hyperbole
and pejorative labels to make their case, because the facts don't support
their feeble arguments.
Lasike's hit was brutal, and he wasn't even trying to hurt the guy. He
was barrelling forward trying to avoid a knockdown.
kaysvillecougarKAYSVILLE, UTPlease fellow cougar fans. Don't go
to the gutter like so many U fans when something like this happens to BYU.---------Too late. The hater brigade is well ahead of you.
Cosmo1974Woods Cross, UTHow come when a Utah player transfers, most
of the comments are congratulatory and positive? But when a BYU player
transfers, most of the comments, at least from Utah "fans", are on the
negative and sarcastic side?---------Open your eyes.Where are these positive and optimistic posts you allege? Only ones are
from Utah fans. The BYU trolls that have posted so far have done nothing but
spew haterade.Wake up.
Marked it DownPark City, UTmotorbikeAverage Rushing
Yards 2013BYU #10 267.3Utah #78 160.3----------Nevermind the fact that most of that was racked up by your QB. Hill
wasn't even the best rusher on his own team last year.
"Nevermind the fact that most of that was racked up by your QB. Hill
wasn't even the best rusher on his own team last year."Williams I mean.
Tomahawk RedSo you're saying that a dual-threat QB is not a
legitimate runner?Taysom was #19 in the nation with 1,344 rushing
yards.Jamaal was #25 with 1,233 rushing yards.I'm pretty
sure that Texas would strongly disagree with your assessment.Only a
desperately jealous Utah fan would try to paint having two 1,000+ yard, Top 25
rushers as a negative.Bubba Poole, Utah's top runner was #133
with 607 yards rushing, less than half of BYU's "SECOND" best
runner, and only 257 yards more than BYU's THIRD best runner, Paul Lasike
with 350 yards rushing.
u-pac"Yeah, the BYU rushing yards by Hill were mostly on broken
plays as well..."You couldn't be more wrong. Most of those
yards were on designed zone read options, where the QB assesses how the defense
is lining up, then choose whether to hand off, pass, or run.Hill
will be even more effective this season with an improved offensive line giving
him time to throw more accurately and forcing defenses deeper down the field
creating even bigger holes for Hill when he decides to run.
u-pacThe only thing "epic" you would have seen, would have
been the epic meltdown of the Utah football program with BYU contributing to
three straight bowl-less seasons and the dismantling of the Whittingham era.Dr. Hill saw this coming so he dropped BYU from the schedule so the Utes
could play Michigan and still have a chance of qualifying for a bowl.He said himself that he didn't think the Utes were good enough to handle
playing BYU and Michigan in the same season.
I love reading the banter going back and forth. However, when it comes to BYU,
I'm perfectly satisfied with the most important stat, the score.
@Upac or is it 12 PAC Max Was right.
Freak'n loaded now with burning speed and athleticism at every position,
yet can't win more then half their games, or becoming bowl eligible. LOL
The law of college football:"Bad football teams do not play in
bowl games". Period!
It's funny to see all of the desperate cougar fan remarks ... and bottom
line, Taysom Hill is not a running back so enough with the running statistics
from last year (against several patsies by the way). Yes Tayson is a fantastic
runner, but we're talking about the running backs. So yes Duckhunter,
I'll be happy to get back to you mid-season with a report on which stable
of running backs is deeper. It'll be Utah's, but go ahead and start
planning your spin right now.
u-pac"Well sir, the greatest problem with your argument is that
Utah ran the table both in 2004 and 2008 and destroyed their opponents in BCS
bowls."The greatest problem with your argument is you're
blind to the facts.Margin of victory is MEANINGLESS in the BCS
formula so the fact that Utah "destroyed" every opponent is MEANINGLESS,
especially against the creampuff schedule Utah played in 2004. Utah only beat
THREE regular season opponents with winning records, NONE better than 7-5.And Utah's bowl opponent finished in a four-way tie for first in
the seven-team Big Least conference, and barely finished the season ranked #25
in only one poll.------------------"BYU's #38
2013 was the most difficult the Y has ever had..."Once again you
prove just how little you know about college football history - BYU played the
11th and 14th toughest schedules in 2003 and 2004.As much as it may
pain U to accept it, the truth is Utah has never qualified for a bowl while
playing a Top 40 schedule.
motorbike"It's funny to see all of the desperate Cougar fan
remarks ... and bottom line, Taysom Hill is not a running back so enough with
the running statistics..."It's laughable to see all of the
desperate ute fans trying to claim that a dual-threat QB that rushed for over
1,300 yards (19th in the country) isn't a running back.It's even more hilarious to see ute fans touting utah's running back
depth, when BYU's SECOND best running back rushed for over twice as many
yards as utah's "best" running back, and BYU's THIRD best
running back had only 250 yards less.
I don't know where Utah fans get their information, but a dual-threat QB is
by definition, a quarterback who possesses the skills and physique to run the
ball, hence, also a running back.
LonestarRunnerSalt Lake City, UTTomahawk RedSo
you're saying that a dual-threat QB is not a legitimate runner?----------No, that was you putting words in my mouth.The discussion was both teams' running backs, of which Hill is not a part
SwoopSalt Lake City, UTu-pacThe only thing
"epic" you would have seen, would have been the epic meltdown of the
Utah football program with BYU contributing to three straight bowl-less seasons
and the dismantling of the Whittingham era.-------Same
story, second verse.It simply amazes most Utah fans that you people
continue to try and persuade us that Utah was in for a whoopin this season if
they played BYU. I've heard this same story for five years running now, yet
BYU hasn't a single victory this decade yet to back up your smack.
Don't you understand that your credibility is entirely gone at this point?
BYU can't beat Utah, in football or basketball. Deal with it.The best part of your delusional rant is, "with BYU contributing to three
straight bowl-less seasons."The funny thing is, BYU hasn't
done a single, solitary thing to even remotely contribute to even ONE of
Utah's losing seasons. Unless you count being owned as contributing. Yet,
here you are completely ignorant of that fact. Don't you watch your own
team?All bark. No bite.Whatsoever.
scottAlpine, UTUtah only beat THREE regular season opponents
with winning records, NONE better than 7-5.And Utah's bowl
opponent finished in a four-way tie for first in the seven-team Big Least
conference, and barely finished the season ranked #25 in only one poll.---------Thanks for admitting to us all that BYU's '84
claim to a championship is a total sham.Bye now.
Snack PACOlympus Cove, UtahIt's laughable to see all of
the desperate ute fans trying to claim that a dual-threat QB that rushed for
over 1,300 yards (19th in the country) isn't a running back.------------Taysom Hill is not a running back.Can't believe you don't already know that.
phoenixGilbert, AZI don't know where Utah fans get their
information, but a dual-threat QB is by definition, a quarterback who possesses
the skills and physique to run the ball, hence, also a running back.---------Nope. Hill is a quarterback. Not a running back.
Tomahawk Red"Hill is a quarterback. Not a running back."19th in nation with 1,334 yards rushing (259 yards versus Texas) and
2,938 yards passing says he's BOTH.---------------------------BYU didn't win the 1984 National
Championship by simply winning 13 games against a weak schedule and beating
Michigan in the Holiday Bowl.BYU won the 1984 National Championship
by building a national championship caliber resume from 1979 to 1984 with FIVE
Top 12 finishes, back-to-back Top 7 finishes, and a 24-game winning streak that
was impressive enough to convince the majority of voters that BYU was THE MOST
DESERVING team be awarded the 1984 National Championship by all five major
national championship selecting organizations of the day.Utah 2008,
didn't even come close to winning the Crystal Football National
Championship Trophy, finishing a distant 4th in the Coaches poll.
U-PACPlenty of backup space at the QB position though right!? Something
Byu is loaded in.
@ jarka-rusBYU has Hill and....?
Bronco has really mis-managed this position. Wonder what he tells the QB legends
when they come to town?
Proud UteA Ute fan whining about the QB position being
Who Cares??? Congrats for him to take his scholarship and get his degree. If
he wants to get playing time, why does it matter where he gets it at? For him,
he knows he is not going to the NFL, so why not go to a place he wants to live,
and try to get some PT in the meantime.
Nice, utes are now saying how they loved watching BYU get beat while for the
last 2 years their team has sat at home. Funny, if you've got nothing to
cheer about you just make fun of your rival. Oh, and that's the rival who
went to a bowl game right? And last year? Yup, we went to a bowl game, and you
didn't, another 5-7 season. Guess 4-0 makes two losing seasons and no bowl
games all worth it right? Well I've looked at your Pac10+2 schedule and
being optimistic, I see the utes going 4-8 this season, and that's if and I
mean "if" they beat Fresno St. Be careful what you wish for in joining
the Pac10. 4-8 and Whitt gets fired, write it down.
@ MurrayMikeIs that somehow different than the plethora of BYU fans
who have adopted 11 of the 12 teams in the PAC as their second team?
I am a loyal BYU fan but I won't stoop and make derogatory comments about
players transferring. I read the article about Lucky Radley transferring and
Iona Pritchard and Billy Green transferring from B.Y.U. Lucky a backup RB who
probably won't get much playing time is graduating and seeking more playing
time at SDSU. Iona Pritchard a backup FB has graduated and won't get much
playing time this season. Billy Green is not expected to get much playing time
this season so he is leaving for more playing time. Pritchard is transferring to
Oregon St. to play with his brother and most likely for more playing time.
Sounds like the stories of all three are very similar. Good luck to all three of
MurrayMikeIts sad, but true, that a large plurality of "Utah
fans" are really more BYU haters, than they are Utah fans, ergo, they root
for any team playing BYU.
ChamberlainSalt Lake City, UTBYU won the 1984 National
Championship by building a national championship caliber resume from 1979 to
1984 with FIVE Top 12 finishes, back-to-back Top 7 finishes, and a 24-game
winning streak that was impressive enough to convince the majority of voters
that BYU was THE MOST DESERVING team be awarded the 1984 National Championship
by all five major national championship selecting organizations of the day.--------------Sorry pal but that's one of the lamest
arguments I've ever read. No truth whatsoever.So BYU was given
the 84 championship based on all the achievements they accomplished between
79-84. Ha ha. I don't even have to go into why that is entirely absurd. I
can't even believe you voluntarily made that argument.84 was
for 84, period. End of story. And in 84, BYU played a pathetic schedule. The
ones who deserved the 84 championship was Washington.
SportsFanOrem, UTMurrayMikeIts sad, but true, that a
large plurality of "Utah fans" are really more BYU haters, than they are
Utah fans, ergo, they root for any team playing BYU.------------So many BYU fans are so delusional in this regard.Go ask
Alabama how much they love Auburn. Go ask Oklahoma how much they love Texas or
OK state. Go ask Notre Dame how much they love Miami. Go ask Michigan how much
they love Ohio State.BYU fans complain all day long about how much
Utah fans bash on their team, implying that we should compliment and respect you
all day. What a joke.Alabama fan poisoned the Auburn tree. Ohio
State fan called his cancer "Michigan." Guess they aren't "real
fans" of their team either, huh?Laughable.
Tomahawk Red:"84 was for 84, period. End of story."Correct you are TR. The cougars finished the '83 season ranked #7......yet STARTED the '84 season unranked!So how could
have 1979-83 have had anything to do with it?They merely backed into
it via attrition. Washington truely WAS the "best team in the country"
that year, and the NC's "should" be awarded to the nation's
"best team". Handing the crystal trophy over to the Y was a travesty of
justice: Washington got robbed, and the cougars were doomed to spend the rest of
eternity defending the indefensible.
Tomahawk RedSorry, pal, but what Chamberlain wrote is the absolute
truth.How else would you explain a team from the WAC playing a WAC
schedule winning a consensus National Championship and convincing the selectors
from all five major national college football organizations that BYU was the
MOST DESERVING team to be selected 1984 National Champions?No matter
much our jealous friends from the hill try to minimize it, BYU's National
Championship is just as legitimate as every other college football national
championship.Even today, the ONLY requirement for winning the AP
National Championship, the poll Utah fans always cite, is finishing #1 in the
final poll.In the Coaches poll, the one that decides who gets the
Crystal Football National Championship trophy, the Utes have never finished
higher than 4th; and in the BCS standings, the Utes have never finished higher
than 6th.Call us the next time Utah finishes 66-9 over the course of
a 6-year period, with FIVE Top 12 finishes, back-to-back Top 7 finishes, and a
24-game winning streak.The truth is, BYU accomplished more from 1979
to 1984, than Utah has accomplished in their entire football history.That's not hyperbole, that's a verifiable FACT!
Naval Vet"the cougars finished the '83 season ranked
#7......yet STARTED the '84 season unranked!"Yet BYU 1984 was ranked #8 by Week 2 (funny how you left out that little
detail).Week Date Rank1 4-Sep #132 11-Sep #83
18-Sep #64 25-Sep #85 2-Oct #76 9-Oct #57 16-Oct #78 23-Oct #59 30-Oct #410 6-Nov #411 13-Nov #312 20-Nov
#113 27-Nov #114 4-Dec #1Final 3-Jan #1Compare
that to Utah 2008, which didn't even get to #8 until Week 11.1
2-Sep #222 7-Sep #223 14-Sep #204 21-Sep #175 28-Sep
#156 5-Oct #147 12-Oct #148 19-Oct #129 26-Oct #1010 2-Nov #1011 9-Nov #812 16-Nov #813 23-Nov #814
30-Nov #715 7-Dec #7Final 9-Jan #2BYU spent 8 weeks
ranked in the Top 5 and more than a month at #1; Utah didn't crack the Top
5 until the final poll.
navelvet"They merely backed into it via attrition."And how is that any different from any other season?Teams almost
always have to wait for teams above them to lose before they can move up in the
rankings.If Florida, USC, Texas, Penn St, and Boise St had finished
the season undefeated, the Utes never would have cracked the Top 5, let alone
gotten to #2.
navel vet"the cougars finished the '83 season ranked
#7......yet STARTED the '84 season unranked!"Nice try, but, the only reason BYU didn't start the 1984 season ranked,
and fans who pretend to know something about the history of BYU football should
know this, was Steve Young graduated and the pollsters didn't know how good
BYU would be without Young.As soon as BYU showed that they could win
without Young, in Week 1, they immediately jumped to #13. Except for the
pre-season and Week 1 polls, BYU was ranked 8th or higher the entire season.Compare that to Utah 2008, which finished 2005, 2006 and 2007 unranked,
and didn't even climb into the Top 10 until Week 9. And in the vaunted BCS
standings, the Utes finished #6, not even close to a berth in the BCS
championship game.BYU's history from 1979 to 1983 was
absolutely a factor in BYU winning the 1984 national championship.
Navel Vet"the cougars finished the '83 season ranked
#7......yet STARTED the '84 season unranked!"BYU started 1984 #22 in the AP pre-season poll, unranked only because the 1984
rankings only included the Top 20, but significantly higher than Utah, which was
#34 in the 2008 pre-season poll.By Week 1, BYU 1984 was ranked #13,
Utah 2008 was only ranked #22.It's quite obvious that
BYU's 1983 #7 finish was a significant factor in BYU's huge early jump
up the rankings, while Utah's unranked 2007 season prevented the Utes from
making any big jumps up the rankings until the final game of the season.
You know things needed to change in college football when someone is handed a
"national championship" trophy after beating a bad team from a bad
conference. Unfortunately, BYU didn't get to play a single
decent team that year (maybe Air Force?) They were very far from winning a
National Championship game. They didn't even play in a major bowl.There really is no evidence that BYU was even among the top ten teams in
truthsandwich"There really is no evidence that BYU was even
among the top ten teams in '84."Except this:BYU
was ranked #1 in both the AP and Coaches polls from mid-November until the end
of the season.What more "evidence" do you need?btw, the ONLY reason BYU didn't play in a major bowl is they were
contractually obligated to play in the Holiday Bowl.The fact is, BYU
is the legitimate winner of the 1984 major college football national
championship and has the hardware to prove it.Straight from the
official NCAA website:NCAA FBS Championship HistoryYEAR |
CHAMPION | SELECTING ORGANIZATION1988 Notre Dame AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN,
UPI1987 Miami (Fla.) AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI1986 Penn St AP,
FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI1985 Oklahoma AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI1984
Brigham Young AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI1983 Miami (Fla.) AP, FWAA, NFF,
USA/CNN, UPINotice that there's absolutely no distinction made
between the championships won by Miami, BYU, Oklahoma, Penn St. and Notre Dame.
Despite the jealous whining from the hill, BYU's championship was won based
on the exact same criteria as the championships won by the other schools.
spoiledsandwich"You know things needed to change in college
football when someone is handed a "national championship" trophy after
beating a bad team from a bad conference."Bad team? Michigan
would have played in the Rose Bowl if they'd beaten Ohio State in their
final regular season game.Bad conference? Only a desperately jealous
Utah homer would try to claim that the Big Ten is a bad conference.Despite your claims and those of your crimson-clad buddies, there's ample
evidence that BYU was a Top 10 team in 1984, ranked #1 in both polls at the end
of the season and ranked in the Top 10 for almost the entire season, but,
unfortunately for U, absolutely no evidence that BYU wasn't a Top 10 team.
truthsandwichWhat evidence do you have that Utah 2004 was a Top 10
team. The Utes played the same core group of teams that BYU played in 1984 (Utah
State, Air Force, New Mexico, SDSU, Colorado St, Wyoming and BYU) and only beat
three regular season opponents with winning records, Texas A&M(7-5), New
Mexico(7-5), and Wyoming(7-5), and Utah's bowl opponent, Pittsburgh(8-4)
finished LOWER in the final AP poll, #25, than Air Force(8-4) did in 1984, tied
with Notre Dame at #24?So what evidence do you have that Utah 2004
even deserved to be ranked in the Top 10, let alone be a BCS buster?
@truthsandwichYou are spot on. BYU didn't beat a single team
that finished in the top 20. They barely beat a lowly 6-6 Michigan team in there
bowl game. No other NC team can say that. Not even close. BYU won the NC by
default, and will never, ever come close to touching it again. They would have
to earn it in todays (or the BCS) format by beating other top teams and
that's not going to happen. Is it BYU's fault? Of course not. Is it
the truth? Of course it is. Also, comparing Utah's 2008 team to BYU's
1984 team is silly. Utah beat 4 top 25 teams and an 11-1 Alabama team in the
Sugar Bowl. BYU didn't beat anyone.
Spokane Ute:"BYU didn't beat a single team that finished in
the top 20. They barely beat a lowly 6-6 Michigan team in there bowl
game."Correct you are Spokane Ute. But mentioning their narrow,
late 4th-Qtr rally vs. a Michigan team who was playing their backup QB (who for
what it's worth was playing with 2 broken vertebrae), you may have given
those '84 cougars a bit too MUCH credit. Because that game wasn't
their only close game vs. a bad team. There was also a narrow 7-pt,
come-from-behind victory vs. 3-7-1 Pitt, a narrow 5-pt goal line stand escaping
7-4 Hawai'i, and a back-&-forth shoot out at Home vs. a 6-6 Wyo team
that resulted in a narrow 3-pt win.THAT's how
"mediocre" and "unworthy" the cougars were back in 1984, and
THAT's why they continue to get no respect for successfully navigating
their "Bo-Diddley Tech" schedule.
Snack WAC, DeepBlue:I omitted nothing. You all can't say that
your 1979-83 seasons had anything to do with your '84 title if you all
started out the season unranked.
backWACn:"By Week 1, BYU 1984 was ranked #13...It's quite
obvious that BYU's 1983 #7 finish was a significant factor in BYU's
huge early jump up the rankings..."Actually, it's quite
obvious that it WASN'T. Had your 1983 #7 final ranking factored into 1984,
you wouldn't have started out unranked. The reason the Y jumped up to #13
after their first game was due to beating Pitt, who at the time was ranked #3.
It isn't uncommon for an unranked team to leap into the Top-15 if they beat
a Top-5 team in their season opener. Had the Y beaten Pitt in November, after
they had already lost 6 games, you wouldn't have suddenly vaulted 15 spots
in the polls. In fact, that was an issue Gary Crowton was complaining about
back in 2001. On Sept. 15th, they were supposed to have played Miss. St., but
due to 9-11, that game got postponed to Dec. 1st. On Sept. 15th, they were
ranked #17, but by Dec. 1st, they were 3-7 and unranked. Gary didn't think
that it was fair that the Y's ranking was impacted by playing MSU later in
the season than had they back in Sept.
bacWACn (cont):Pitt turned out to be overrated, but at the time the
Y beat them, folks didn't know that yet. You vaulted to #13 because the
pollsters actually thought you'd beaten an elite team, and thus deserved to
be counted among the elite.Make no mistake: it was "Pitt"
that put you up to #13; not 1983. And, that was ONLY because you played them
during both your respective season openers. Pitt went on to lose their 1st four
games, before narrowly eking out a victory vs. 2-9 East Carolina in early Oct,
and then wouldn't win another game until mid-Nov. when they took down 3-8
@Uteanymous"Bad team? Michigan would have played in the Rose
Bowl if they'd beaten Ohio State in their final regular season game.Bad conference? Only a desperately jealous Utah homer would try to claim
that the Big Ten is a bad conference."Oh man, you're not
going to like hearing this, but I suppose I'll have to be the one to tell
you.The Big 10 was ranked 8th in 1984. Only one spot above the WAC,
which was 9th.Michigan finished 6th in the 8th ranked Big 10.
That's lower half of the conference.BYU barely beat a bad team
in a bad conference in a non-major bowl.Sorry.
@midpacmajor"So what evidence do you have that Utah 2004 even
deserved to be ranked in the Top 10, let alone be a BCS buster?"Let's review the Sagarin Rankings; which take into accout record, SOS,
etc.#2)Auburn, 13-0, SOS #60#4) Utah, 12-0, SOS #67#5)
Louisville, 11-2, SOS #82#10) Boise State, 11-1, SOS #78As you can
see, Utah was ranked exactly where they should have been. I hope that helps.
What in the world would lead you to believe they didn't belong in the top
10 other than having a very biased opinion?Truth Sandwich and
NavalvetThanks and nicely played. Very interesting information. The
truth is, well.....the truth. BYU won the NC by default.
Naval Vet"You all can't say that your 1979-83 seasons had
anything to do with your '84 title if you all started out the season
unranked."It's quite obvious that you've chosen to
ignore reality.BYU didn't make a huge leap up the polls in the
1st week of the season based on only one win. BYU obviously carried a lot of
momentum into the 1984 season, dampened only slightly by Steve Young's
graduation and the uncertainty of how BYU would perform with a new starting
QB.BYU put those doubts to bed early with a nationally televised (on
ESPN) win on the road against the then #3-ranked team in the country.You can stick your fingers in your ears, close your eyes tight, and sing
la-la-la all you want to, but the fact is, BYU had built considerable national
cachet in the 5 seasons leading up to 1984, and that momentum helped propel BYU
to their consensus National Championship.
@skywalker"You can stick your fingers in your ears, close your
eyes tight, and sing la-la-la all you want to, but the fact is, BYU had built
considerable national cachet in the 5 seasons leading up to 1984"So much cachet that they were... unranked? "BYU put those
doubts to bed early with a nationally televised (on ESPN) win on the road
against the then #3-ranked team in the country."As has been
pointed out, this is no longer pre-season 1984, and so we now know exactly where
Pitt ranked among the top teams that year: no where. They were awful. Your post just unintentionally reiterated Naval Vet's post.
Spokane Ute / navelvet / truthsandwichYou still haven't
provided one iota of proof that Utah beat a single opponent that proved that the
Utes were a Top 10 team.Texas A&M(7-5), unranked, was destroyed
by Tennessee 7-38 in their bowl game.Pittsburgh(8-4) was barely
ranked, #25, in ONE poll, after finishing in a four-way tie for first in the
7-team Big Least, only one win ahead of the 5th-place team.New
Mexico(7-5), on the road, and Wyoming(7-5), at home, were the only other teams
with winning records that Utah beat.So which win in that
"stellar" group, proved that Utah was a Top 10 team, let alone, a BCS
"The Big 10 was ranked 8th in 1984. Only one spot above the WAC, which was
9th."Just curious what you're using for a source.
"As you can see, Utah was ranked exactly where they should have
been."I don't see that you've proven anything.Who did Utah beat in 2004 that proved that Utah deserved to be ranked
"So much cachet that they were... unranked?"They were #22 in
the pre-season, unranked ONLY because the rankings only included the Top 20 in
1984. As has already been explained, they were only that low in the
poll because BYU had lost their starting QB, Steve Young, to graduation. As soon
as Robbie Bosco proved to be a capable replacement, BYU immediately jumped to
#13 in the FIRST regular season poll.BYU obviously had a lot of
cachet to make that kind of a leap up the polls in the first week.Keep trying younguns, you've still got a looooong way to go to prove your
case.btw, the majority of major college coaches and national
sportswriters on the Coaches and AP voting panels completely disagree with your
feeble and obviously biased attempt to rewrite history.
BlueCougObviously, there is no convincing you. Every single ranking
had Utah in the top 10. Whether it be computer ranking, poll or otherwise, the
Fact is they were ranked in the top 10. I provided the Sagarin rankings as
proof. I'm sure you could spin Louisville and BSU's schedule the same
way. I was unaware that you had to beat a team that some guy named Bluecoug
approves of, to recieve a top 10 ranking. Maybe the fact that they were 12-0 has
something to do with it. I also love the term "crickets". As if you have
actually posted something so profound and fact based that it's beyond
reproach. Now that funny stuff, I don't care who you are.
B CI base my position on the Harris, AP, Sagarin, USA Today and BCS
poll. You base yours on a very biased opinion. Utah beat everyone they played
that year. Only 2 other schools, of all the div 1 schools in the county,
accomplished that task. All were ranked in the top 10. Louisville and Boise
State were also ranked in the top 10; yet neither beat a ranked opponent (other
than Louisville beating BSU). Louisvilles only loss to ranked Miami. So who
should have been ranked in the top 10 other than these schools; or is this just
a Utah thing?
@BlueCoug"So which win in that "stellar" group, proved
that Utah was a Top 10 team, let alone, a BCS bowl-worthy team?
*crickets*"Sorry to interrupt your crickets. I don't blame
you for wanting to shift the argument away from the merits of BYU's
"national championship." I wouldn't want to defend that either.You are correct that Utah played a less than stellar schedule in 2004.
It still wasn't as weak as BYU's in 84. What's interesting is
that Utah not only went undefeated, but they destroyed every opponent on their
schedule. The closest margin of victory all season was 14 points. This was a
much more impressive season performance than BYU's in 1984, where they
barely squeaked by Wyoming and others. To answer your question about
"what they did to prove they were a BCS bowl-worthy team" I suppose
obliterating their opponent in a BCS bowl game (35-7) counts. BYU has never
earned a spot in a bowl that big, let alone won one. I notice cougar
fans always want to compare 84 with 2004. When comparing the season's body
of work, they avoid 2008 at all cost. Makes sense. There really is no
truthsandwichDon't forget they did barely beat a 6-6 Michigan
team. The trutch really seems to hurt some folks........have a good
one Guy; I'm done!
@spokaneute"I was unaware that you had to beat a team that some
guy named Bluecoug approves of, to recieve a top 10 ranking"Hmmm.......Let's change that just a tiny little bit and
instead of utah '04 we'll go with BYU '84"I was
unaware the you had to beat a team that some guy named spokane ute approves of,
to recieve (sic) a #1 ranking"LOL at the hypocrisy.
@falsesandwhich"has never earned a spot in a bowl that big, let
alone won one. "So it is the size of the bowl game that makes
the difference? The fact utah played a mediocre 4 loss pitt team is of no
consequence in your "logic" because "the bowl was big"?lol
Spokane UteI base my position on BYU 1984 on the AP, FWAA, NFF,
USA/CNN, UPI polls and selections.You and your jealous Utah friends
base your positions on your very biased opinions.BYU beat everyone
they played in 1984. NOT A SINGLE other team in the country accomplished that
task.#1 BYU 13-0#2 Washington 12-1 lost to USC and didn't
even win the PAC 10 title#3 Florida 9-1-1 lost to Miami, tied LSU, and
didn't even play in a bowl (ineligible)#4 Nebraska 10-2 lost to
Syracuse and Oklahoma and didn't even win the Big 8 title#5 Oklahoma
9-2-1 lost to Kansas and Washington, tied TexasBottom line, based on
the exact same criteria1984 Final AP Poll#1 BYU(13-0) 1,160
pts (38) first place votes#2 Wash(11-1) 1,140 (16)#3 Fla(9-1-1)
1,092 (6)#4 Neb(10-2) 1,017#5 Okla(9-2-1) 8832004 Final
AP Poll#1 USC(13-0) 1,622 (62)#2 Aub(13-0) 1,559 (3)#3
Okla(12-1) 1,454#4 Utah(12-0) 1,438#5 Tex(11-1) 1,391
BYU 1984 NCAA College FootballNational Champions!utah.....never gonna happen.lol
@BC"They were #22 in the pre-season, unranked ONLY because the
rankings only included the Top 20 in 1984."It's true that
25 teams are ranked now, but it's also true that now you have to do more
than beat the worst teams college football has to offer to be considered a
"National Champion." In 84, BYU never proved anything against a top 10
or even a top 20 team. They didn't even play in a major bowl. Are you sure you want to go by today's standards?
truthsandwich:"What's interesting is that Utah not only
went undefeated, but they destroyed every opponent on their schedule. The
closest margin of victory all season was 14 points."And even
that 14-pt game wasn't as close as the score made it seem. Don't
forget that Air Force's final TD came in "garbage time" with only
22-seconds remaining in the game; well after all of Utah's starters had
truthsandwich"What's interesting is that Utah not only went
undefeated, but they destroyed every opponent on their schedule."You're forgetting that margin of victory is absolutely MEANINGLESS in the
BCS formula that Utah fans continue to harp on as being "superior" to
the "old" system.From Sagarin:"In ELO_CHESS,
only winning and losing matters; the score margin is of NO CONSEQUENCE,which makes it very "politically correct"... The ELO_CHESS will be
utilized by the Bowl Championship Series(BCS)."As far as the AP
poll is concerned, the national champion is determined in exactly the same way
today as it was in 1936 when the poll was started - the team garnering the most
votes is ranked #1 and is awarded the AP national championship.Do
you really think that AP voters live in a complete vacuum where they only look
at won-loss records, without any consideration for SOS, margin of victory,
road/home wins/losses, and any other factor that they deem pertinent in their
voting?BYU 1984 finished #1 in that system, Utah 2004 and 2008
finished #4 and #2.In the Coaches poll, the one that officially
crowns the BCS champion,BYU 1984 finished #1, Utah 2004 and 2008
finished #5 and #4.
@Duckhunter"So it is the size of the bowl game that makes the
difference? The fact utah played a mediocre 4 loss pitt team is of no
consequence in your "logic" because "the bowl was big? lol"Yes, winning a bigger bowl is better than winning a smaller one,
especially in a discussion where your fellow cougar fans are asking to compare
beating an awful team in the Holiday Bowl to beating a better team in a BCS
bowl. But just focusing on opponents, your "logic" is that a
horrible 6-loss Michigan team (from what was an awful conference that year) is
better than a 4-loss Pitt team because.. your bowl was smaller?"lol"
@truthsandwich"In 84, BYU never proved anything against a top 10
or even a top 20 team."Neither did Utah in 2004.By
1984's standards, Utah would only have 4 lifetime AP Top 20 finishes, only
3 during the BCS era. BYU has had 3 AP Top 20 finishes during the
Bronco/Kyle era.btw, you're still living under the delusion
that the AP poll has somehow changed during the BCS.There is
absolutely NO DIFFERENCE between the AP poll of today and the AP poll of 1984 or
truthsandwichre: It's true that 25 teams are ranked now, but
it's also true that now you have to do more than beat the worst teams
college football has to offer to be considered a "National Champion."
Cite me chapter and verse in the AP voting guidelines that states
any particular requirement for being named AP national champion other than
finishing #1 in the final AP poll.Where does it say that the
national champion MUST beat a ranked team or MUST play in a major bowl?When were these new "rules" adopted?The truth is, jealous
Utah fans think that their biased opinions matter more than the calculated
opinions of the voters who vote in the polls.Get over yourselves
already.BYU won the 1984 National Championship.Utah has
never won a major college football national championship.None of
your whining and trying to rewrite history based on your crimson-shaded view of
the world is going to change that.
@BC"There is absolutely NO DIFFERENCE between the polls of today
and the polls of 1936!"@ND95CA"When were these
new "rules" adopted?The truth is, jealous Utah fans think
that their biased opinions matter more than the calculated opinions of the
voters who vote in the polls."First, you guys are great.Second, I wish I could take credit for the opinion, but Robbie Boscoe
had it before I did:"With the way the system is now,
there's no question we wouldn't have been #1. There would have been 4
teams higher than us in the polls." -RB"If strength of
schedule had mattered as much then, BYU would not have been voted national
champions." -Sports Illustrated"lol"
It seems that Utah fans like to mix and match supposed "rules" from
different eras and different polls to suit their own biased agendas.They even want to apply a different set of "rules" to 2004, than they
applied to 2008.And, they're confused about how BCS
"rules" apply to the AP poll - the truth is, there's absolutely no
connection between the BCS and the AP poll.In fact, USC won the AP
national championship in 2003, without playing in the BCS championship game,
which according to BCS "rules", is impossible to do, since the winner of
the BCS championship game is automatically declared the BCS national
champion.According to BCS "rules", Utah has never finished
higher than 4th (in the official BCS final poll, the coaches poll) and the Utes
have never finished higher than 6th in the final BCS standings, meaning, the
Utes have never even come closing to winning a "BCS" national
distortedtruthsandwich"has never earned a spot in a bowl that
big, let alone won one."ONLY a biased Utah homer could possibly
believe that the #1-ranked team in BOTH polls wouldn't have received an
at-large bid to one of the major bowls in 1984 if BYU hadn't been
contractually bound to play in the Holiday Bowl.
The life of a BYU fan. Bring up things that happened thirty years ago to
show how BYU is still relevant. Become fans of other teams that beat Utah
because your pathetic team can't get the job done themselves. Declare
that nobody cares about Utah and then proceed to contribute more than half the
comments on a UTAH article that contains around 120 comments.
LaVell Edwards after the 1984 Holiday Bowl: "If you're
number one going in, you're number one coming out. Anybody that saw us win
tonight, the way we won with such adversity, knows we earned it."Robbie Bosco when asked immediately after the Holiday Bowl whether BYU
deserved to be ranked #1, said emphatically:"YES"!
chicagobornThe life of a Utah fan.Ignoring the fact that
over 90% of the comments on a Utah article, are about BYU...including yours.
DuckhunterHighland , UT@u-pacUh.....BYU is the one that
is "loaded" at the RB position with superior players to anything utah
has. lol at your delusion._______Yeah it's sure
helped you record against ranked teams, losing on ESPN in from of a wonderful
national audience. And still no power conference invite.The only
thing that's loaded are comments by frantic, wishful thinking BYU fans.
Just the FAXOlympus Cove, UtahLaVell Edwards after the 1984 Holiday
Bowl: "If you're number one going in, you're number
one coming out. Anybody that saw us win tonight, the way we won with such
adversity, knows we earned it."Robbie Bosco when asked
immediately after the Holiday Bowl whether BYU deserved to be ranked #1, said
course they are going to talk like that. What do you expect them to say? They
could have been honest about their weak schedule that year, and beating a 6-6