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Report: Lucky Radley is transferring from Utah, will walk on at San Diego State

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  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    May 31, 2014 11:37 a.m.

    What?? why would a player leave a mighty Pac powerhouse for a lowly nobody? Just don't make sense

  • Duckhunter Highland , UT
    May 31, 2014 11:40 a.m.

    This seems to be a trend with back ups that have their degree's, and who can blame them? They want to go to a place where they think they can get some playing time.

    Interesting though that a full ride scholarship player for a pac12 program can only be a walk on at a mwc school. Care to tell us why that is christina?

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 31, 2014 12:03 p.m.

    Thanks for your time at the U Lucky, and congrats on your degree. Good luck!

  • 2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0 Ogden, UT
    May 31, 2014 12:07 p.m.

    Best of luck to him!

    I can't blame someone if they want playing time. There were too many backs ahead of him. He'll get more time in the WAC 2.0 than he would have here.

    Like I said, nothing wrong with finding a place you can play at.

    Go utes!!

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    May 31, 2014 12:52 p.m.

    I don't think I have ever heard of this many players post-graduation transferring. SDSU isn't exactly the first team I would have expected a player from the PAC12 to transfer to as it is at best a lateral move. However, Radley should be able to take the top spot at the program if the rumor turns out to be true.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 31, 2014 1:10 p.m.

    I'm sorry to see Radley leave the program. He was a play maker last year and accomplished a lot with the minutes he had in the games. Good luck to Radley at San Diego St!

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    May 31, 2014 1:24 p.m.

    Does he have to give the PAC-12 stickers back ?

    Good luck to him - I think it's great they can play that last year somewhere else after they've gotten a degree at one school.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 31, 2014 3:34 p.m.

    jarka-rus...

    It makes plenty of sense, Utah's been able to recruit better running backs which has left limited opportunities for Radley. If anything this is symbolic of the improved talent joining the Utes.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 31, 2014 3:40 p.m.

    Lucky's been a class act and a great spokesperson for the Utes.
    We'll miss you Lucky but you deserve to get your chance to shine. Here's hoping you tear up the MWC while playing for the Aztecs!

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    May 31, 2014 4:36 p.m.

    Please fellow cougar fans. Don't go to the gutter like so many U fans when something like this happens to BYU. Good luck to Utah this yr.

  • Sambonethegreat Salt Lake City, UT
    May 31, 2014 5:06 p.m.

    Smart move if he wanted playing time. He could probably start at San Diego State next season since Adam Muema left.

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    May 31, 2014 5:07 p.m.

    Even though he will get to go to a bowl game now he won't be prestegous pac brother anymore like us.

    Go Utes!

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    May 31, 2014 5:23 p.m.

    jarka-rus

    He was 4th on the depth chart behind Bubba Poole, Devontae Booker, and Troy McCormick. With only one year left of eligibility left, one can't blame Radley for wanting to have a chance to play. We're seeing a lot of this kind of movement in both college football and basketball lately.

    I wish him the very best of luck.

  • Cosmo1974 Woods Cross, UT
    May 31, 2014 6:35 p.m.

    How come when a Utah player transfers, most of the comments are congratulatory and positive? But when a BYU player transfers, most of the comments, at least from Utah "fans", are on the negative and sarcastic side?

  • Max-was-right springville, UT
    May 31, 2014 6:46 p.m.

    guess the guy just wanted to feel what its like to play in a bowl game. Cant blame him though. Wonder how fast he had to turn his pac ten window decals?

  • Duckhunter Highland , UT
    June 1, 2014 8:34 a.m.

    @u-pac

    Uh.....BYU is the one that is "loaded" at the RB position with superior players to anything utah has. lol at your delusion.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    June 1, 2014 10:14 a.m.

    He was always knew the best coach was bronco.

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    June 1, 2014 11:16 a.m.

    Re: Max

    It appears there are a lot of BYU fans that wish they had those stickers. Not sure if the AAC has stickers or not.

    Lucky is a class guy and deserves an opportunity to play. I hope he gets it there. If not, it's a pretty nice place to be.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 1, 2014 1:01 p.m.

    Duckhunter

    "BYU is the one that is "loaded" at the RB position with superior players to anything utah has."

    BYU's got one very good back, that certainly doesn't mean they're loaded. Thanks for the laugh though, I needed that.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2014 6:35 p.m.

    @ Cosmo1974

    I've only seen one post from the BYU fans that isn't sarcastic and negative.... The congratulatory and positive posts are from Utah fans.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    June 2, 2014 7:08 a.m.

    At least BEING in California in December brings all sorts of options doesn't it?

  • Chamberlain Salt Lake City, UT
    June 2, 2014 7:57 a.m.

    motorbike

    "BYU's got one very good back, that certainly doesn't mean they're loaded"

    You obviously don't know much about BYU's running backs.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 2, 2014 8:51 a.m.

    Chamberlain

    "You obviously don't know much about BYU's running backs."

    Feel free to enlighten me.

  • Duckhunter Highland , UT
    June 2, 2014 9:29 a.m.

    @motortrike

    Let's say you are correct and BYU only has 1 rb, he is still proven superior to anyone utah has. What rb at utah has even done as much as lasike has for BYU? For that matter even Hine for BYU has done more by being one of the top KR guys in the country. Yes in comparison to utah BYU is loaded at rb. If any of the utah rb's ever does anything then you can get back to us but until that point it is game, set, match, for BYU in this department. lol

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    June 2, 2014 9:30 a.m.

    motorbike

    Average Rushing Yards 2013
    BYU #10 267.3
    Utah #78 160.3

    Consider yourself enlightend.

  • Duckhunter Highland , UT
    June 2, 2014 10:02 a.m.

    @utah hawaii errrr upac, yes I know who you are. We were talking about RB's, not wr's and BYU has superior rb's to utah. No one on utah's roster is as good a rb as Williams is for BYU. And BYU has depth. As for the rest of your nonsense, well utah took a backup qb from oklahoma, one that had only completed 4 of 12 passes, and you guys are touting him as the probable STARTER. utah also took a transfer qb from wyoming, yes that is right WYOMING lol.

    You're floundering.

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    June 2, 2014 11:07 a.m.

    Re: Marked it Down

    "motorbike

    Average Rushing Yards 2013
    BYU #10 267.3
    Utah #78 160.3

    Consider yourself enlightend."

    I'm sorry, but posting some stats about how BYU's RB's did against their cupcake schedule versus Utah's against the second toughest schedule in the country doesn't enlighten anyone. Utah will do just fine with their RB's. Your numbers should be even better this year with that schedule. I haven't heard anyone talking yet about how Savannah State is against the run.

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    June 2, 2014 11:32 a.m.

    If there is anything more useless than a bachelors degree in sociology, it's a sociology degree from door mat u "dmu"

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    June 2, 2014 11:34 a.m.

    Stringer Bell

    "posting some stats about how BYU's RB's did against their cupcake schedule versus Utah's against the second toughest schedule in the country doesn't enlighten anyone. Utah will do just fine with their RB's."

    Get real.

    BYU played a tougher schedule in 2013 than any schedule the Utes had played in their ENTIRE HISTORY, prior to 2013, including rolling up 550 yards rushing against "cupcake" Texas, the most rushing yards ever given up by the Longhorns in their ENTIRE HISTORY!

    Utah fans are really getting desperate with their labels, pretending that every team Utah plays is the creme-de-la-creme of major college football elites, and every opponent that BYU plays is a cupcake.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 2, 2014 12:06 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter

    "utah also took a transfer qb from wyoming, yes that is right WYOMING lol.

    You're floundering."

    I think this is an exaggeration. Utah hired Christiansen, and the kid obviously wanted to keep playing for his coach. I don't think it has anything to do with Utah's status. Although I will admit that it's nice to finally have some depth at QB.

  • Duckhunter Highland , UT
    June 2, 2014 12:15 p.m.

    Uh...upac

    I alread listed BYU's backups, Lasike and Hine. Care to tell us which of utah's rb's is superior to Williams and then actually give proof as to why he/they are better? I know you cannot but it should be funny reading your tortured logic as you attempt to do it. lol

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    June 2, 2014 12:37 p.m.

    u-pac

    The numbers speak for themselves - against the 38th toughest schedule in the country, tougher than any schedule Utah had faced prior to last season - BYU averaged the 10th most rushing yards per game of any team in the country...

    Average Rushing Yards 2013
    BYU #10 267.3
    Utah #78 160.3

    including 550 rushing yards versus Texas, the most rushing ever given up by Texas.

    Remind us the last Utah averaged 267.3 rushing yards per game against the 38th ranked SOS.

    Hint: It's never happened, because prior to 2013, Utah had never played a schedule tougher than the 41st SOS.

    Spin it anyway that helps you sleep at night, but BYU had a very good rushing attack last season.

    btw, Utah only had 148 yards rushing versus Washington St, a team that gave up 226 rushing yards to Colorado St.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    June 2, 2014 12:49 p.m.

    u-pac

    "Taysom Hill can't hit a farmer's barn at 20 yards..."

    So how do you explain Taysom being included on several pre-season Heisman watch lists?

    As much as it pains you to admit it, BYU is going to have a very explosive offense in 2014.

    BYU will bring the whole offensive package, running, passing, and scoring.

    Watch and learn.

    If you don't think BYU has a player who can play fullback, youtube the video of Lasike literally knocking out a defender in BYU's run to their 3rd straight national rugby championship, and that was without pads.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    June 2, 2014 1:18 p.m.

    Gotta luv how Utah fans are slowly, but steadily, invalidating everything that Utah accomplished, even though it wasn't much, prior to 2011, including their miraculous 2004 and 2008 seasons.

    Weren't Utah's 2004 and 2008 SOS's ranked somewhere in the mid 50's and 60's?

    If BYU's 2013 schedule, ranked #38, is considered a "cupcake" schedule, what does that say about Utah's 2004 and 2008 schedules?

    The truth is, Utah fans are forced to rely on hyperbole and pejorative labels to make their case, because the facts don't support their feeble arguments.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 2, 2014 1:27 p.m.

    Lasike's hit was brutal, and he wasn't even trying to hurt the guy. He was barrelling forward trying to avoid a knockdown.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 2, 2014 1:54 p.m.

    kaysvillecougar
    KAYSVILLE, UT
    Please fellow cougar fans. Don't go to the gutter like so many U fans when something like this happens to BYU.

    ---------

    Too late. The hater brigade is well ahead of you.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 2, 2014 1:56 p.m.

    Cosmo1974
    Woods Cross, UT
    How come when a Utah player transfers, most of the comments are congratulatory and positive? But when a BYU player transfers, most of the comments, at least from Utah "fans", are on the negative and sarcastic side?

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    Open your eyes.

    Where are these positive and optimistic posts you allege? Only ones are from Utah fans. The BYU trolls that have posted so far have done nothing but spew haterade.

    Wake up.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 2, 2014 2:22 p.m.

    Marked it Down
    Park City, UT
    motorbike

    Average Rushing Yards 2013
    BYU #10 267.3
    Utah #78 160.3

    ----------

    Nevermind the fact that most of that was racked up by your QB. Hill wasn't even the best rusher on his own team last year.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 2, 2014 2:29 p.m.

    "Nevermind the fact that most of that was racked up by your QB. Hill wasn't even the best rusher on his own team last year."

    Williams I mean.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    June 2, 2014 3:02 p.m.

    Tomahawk Red

    So you're saying that a dual-threat QB is not a legitimate runner?

    Taysom was #19 in the nation with 1,344 rushing yards.
    Jamaal was #25 with 1,233 rushing yards.

    I'm pretty sure that Texas would strongly disagree with your assessment.

    Only a desperately jealous Utah fan would try to paint having two 1,000+ yard, Top 25 rushers as a negative.

    Bubba Poole, Utah's top runner was #133 with 607 yards rushing, less than half of BYU's "SECOND" best runner, and only 257 yards more than BYU's THIRD best runner, Paul Lasike with 350 yards rushing.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    June 2, 2014 3:08 p.m.

    u-pac

    "Yeah, the BYU rushing yards by Hill were mostly on broken plays as well..."

    You couldn't be more wrong. Most of those yards were on designed zone read options, where the QB assesses how the defense is lining up, then choose whether to hand off, pass, or run.

    Hill will be even more effective this season with an improved offensive line giving him time to throw more accurately and forcing defenses deeper down the field creating even bigger holes for Hill when he decides to run.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    June 2, 2014 3:24 p.m.

    u-pac

    The only thing "epic" you would have seen, would have been the epic meltdown of the Utah football program with BYU contributing to three straight bowl-less seasons and the dismantling of the Whittingham era.

    Dr. Hill saw this coming so he dropped BYU from the schedule so the Utes could play Michigan and still have a chance of qualifying for a bowl.

    He said himself that he didn't think the Utes were good enough to handle playing BYU and Michigan in the same season.

  • 2020 Herriman, UT
    June 2, 2014 5:09 p.m.

    I love reading the banter going back and forth. However, when it comes to BYU, I'm perfectly satisfied with the most important stat, the score.

  • BYU DUDE Provo, UT
    June 2, 2014 7:31 p.m.

    @Upac or is it 12 PAC

    Max Was right.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 3, 2014 8:19 a.m.

    Freak'n loaded now with burning speed and athleticism at every position, yet can't win more then half their games, or becoming bowl eligible. LOL

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 3, 2014 8:27 a.m.

    The law of college football:

    "Bad football teams do not play in bowl games". Period!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 3, 2014 12:35 p.m.

    It's funny to see all of the desperate cougar fan remarks ... and bottom line, Taysom Hill is not a running back so enough with the running statistics from last year (against several patsies by the way). Yes Tayson is a fantastic runner, but we're talking about the running backs. So yes Duckhunter, I'll be happy to get back to you mid-season with a report on which stable of running backs is deeper. It'll be Utah's, but go ahead and start planning your spin right now.

  • scott Alpine, UT
    June 3, 2014 1:05 p.m.

    u-pac

    "Well sir, the greatest problem with your argument is that Utah ran the table both in 2004 and 2008 and destroyed their opponents in BCS bowls."

    The greatest problem with your argument is you're blind to the facts.

    Margin of victory is MEANINGLESS in the BCS formula so the fact that Utah "destroyed" every opponent is MEANINGLESS, especially against the creampuff schedule Utah played in 2004. Utah only beat THREE regular season opponents with winning records, NONE better than 7-5.

    And Utah's bowl opponent finished in a four-way tie for first in the seven-team Big Least conference, and barely finished the season ranked #25 in only one poll.

    ------------------

    "BYU's #38 2013 was the most difficult the Y has ever had..."

    Once again you prove just how little you know about college football history - BYU played the 11th and 14th toughest schedules in 2003 and 2004.

    As much as it may pain U to accept it, the truth is Utah has never qualified for a bowl while playing a Top 40 schedule.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 3, 2014 1:14 p.m.

    motorbike

    "It's funny to see all of the desperate Cougar fan remarks ... and bottom line, Taysom Hill is not a running back so enough with the running statistics..."

    It's laughable to see all of the desperate ute fans trying to claim that a dual-threat QB that rushed for over 1,300 yards (19th in the country) isn't a running back.

    It's even more hilarious to see ute fans touting utah's running back depth, when BYU's SECOND best running back rushed for over twice as many yards as utah's "best" running back, and BYU's THIRD best running back had only 250 yards less.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    June 3, 2014 1:48 p.m.

    I don't know where Utah fans get their information, but a dual-threat QB is by definition, a quarterback who possesses the skills and physique to run the ball, hence, also a running back.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 3, 2014 2:14 p.m.

    LonestarRunner
    Salt Lake City, UT
    Tomahawk Red

    So you're saying that a dual-threat QB is not a legitimate runner?

    ----------

    No, that was you putting words in my mouth.

    The discussion was both teams' running backs, of which Hill is not a part of.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 3, 2014 2:22 p.m.

    Swoop
    Salt Lake City, UT
    u-pac

    The only thing "epic" you would have seen, would have been the epic meltdown of the Utah football program with BYU contributing to three straight bowl-less seasons and the dismantling of the Whittingham era.

    -------

    Same story, second verse.

    It simply amazes most Utah fans that you people continue to try and persuade us that Utah was in for a whoopin this season if they played BYU. I've heard this same story for five years running now, yet BYU hasn't a single victory this decade yet to back up your smack. Don't you understand that your credibility is entirely gone at this point? BYU can't beat Utah, in football or basketball. Deal with it.

    The best part of your delusional rant is, "with BYU contributing to three straight bowl-less seasons."

    The funny thing is, BYU hasn't done a single, solitary thing to even remotely contribute to even ONE of Utah's losing seasons. Unless you count being owned as contributing. Yet, here you are completely ignorant of that fact. Don't you watch your own team?

    All bark. No bite.

    Whatsoever.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 3, 2014 2:28 p.m.

    scott
    Alpine, UT

    Utah only beat THREE regular season opponents with winning records, NONE better than 7-5.

    And Utah's bowl opponent finished in a four-way tie for first in the seven-team Big Least conference, and barely finished the season ranked #25 in only one poll.

    ---------

    Thanks for admitting to us all that BYU's '84 claim to a championship is a total sham.

    Bye now.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 3, 2014 2:28 p.m.

    Snack PAC
    Olympus Cove, Utah

    It's laughable to see all of the desperate ute fans trying to claim that a dual-threat QB that rushed for over 1,300 yards (19th in the country) isn't a running back.

    ------------

    Taysom Hill is not a running back.

    Can't believe you don't already know that.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 3, 2014 2:29 p.m.

    phoenix
    Gilbert, AZ
    I don't know where Utah fans get their information, but a dual-threat QB is by definition, a quarterback who possesses the skills and physique to run the ball, hence, also a running back.

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    Nope. Hill is a quarterback. Not a running back.

  • Chamberlain Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2014 3:12 p.m.

    Tomahawk Red

    "Hill is a quarterback. Not a running back."

    19th in nation with 1,334 yards rushing (259 yards versus Texas) and 2,938 yards passing says he's BOTH.

    ---------------------------

    BYU didn't win the 1984 National Championship by simply winning 13 games against a weak schedule and beating Michigan in the Holiday Bowl.

    BYU won the 1984 National Championship by building a national championship caliber resume from 1979 to 1984 with FIVE Top 12 finishes, back-to-back Top 7 finishes, and a 24-game winning streak that was impressive enough to convince the majority of voters that BYU was THE MOST DESERVING team be awarded the 1984 National Championship by all five major national championship selecting organizations of the day.

    Utah 2008, didn't even come close to winning the Crystal Football National Championship Trophy, finishing a distant 4th in the Coaches poll.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    June 3, 2014 3:31 p.m.

    U-PAC
    Plenty of backup space at the QB position though right!? Something Byu is loaded in.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2014 5:22 p.m.

    @ jarka-rus

    BYU has Hill and....?

  • Proud Ute ,
    June 3, 2014 10:13 p.m.

    Bronco has really mis-managed this position. Wonder what he tells the QB legends when they come to town?

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    June 4, 2014 8:20 a.m.

    Proud Ute

    A Ute fan whining about the QB position being mismanaged?

    LOL!

  • jazzer St. George, UT
    June 4, 2014 8:26 a.m.

    Who Cares??? Congrats for him to take his scholarship and get his degree. If he wants to get playing time, why does it matter where he gets it at? For him, he knows he is not going to the NFL, so why not go to a place he wants to live, and try to get some PT in the meantime.

  • MurrayMike Murray, UT
    June 4, 2014 10:33 a.m.

    Nice, utes are now saying how they loved watching BYU get beat while for the last 2 years their team has sat at home. Funny, if you've got nothing to cheer about you just make fun of your rival. Oh, and that's the rival who went to a bowl game right? And last year? Yup, we went to a bowl game, and you didn't, another 5-7 season. Guess 4-0 makes two losing seasons and no bowl games all worth it right? Well I've looked at your Pac10+2 schedule and being optimistic, I see the utes going 4-8 this season, and that's if and I mean "if" they beat Fresno St. Be careful what you wish for in joining the Pac10. 4-8 and Whitt gets fired, write it down.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2014 12:13 p.m.

    @ MurrayMike

    Is that somehow different than the plethora of BYU fans who have adopted 11 of the 12 teams in the PAC as their second team?

  • morganh Orem, Utah
    June 4, 2014 12:44 p.m.

    I am a loyal BYU fan but I won't stoop and make derogatory comments about players transferring. I read the article about Lucky Radley transferring and Iona Pritchard and Billy Green transferring from B.Y.U. Lucky a backup RB who probably won't get much playing time is graduating and seeking more playing time at SDSU. Iona Pritchard a backup FB has graduated and won't get much playing time this season. Billy Green is not expected to get much playing time this season so he is leaving for more playing time. Pritchard is transferring to Oregon St. to play with his brother and most likely for more playing time. Sounds like the stories of all three are very similar. Good luck to all three of these guys!!

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    June 4, 2014 12:56 p.m.

    MurrayMike

    Its sad, but true, that a large plurality of "Utah fans" are really more BYU haters, than they are Utah fans, ergo, they root for any team playing BYU.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 4, 2014 3:01 p.m.

    Chamberlain
    Salt Lake City, UT

    BYU won the 1984 National Championship by building a national championship caliber resume from 1979 to 1984 with FIVE Top 12 finishes, back-to-back Top 7 finishes, and a 24-game winning streak that was impressive enough to convince the majority of voters that BYU was THE MOST DESERVING team be awarded the 1984 National Championship by all five major national championship selecting organizations of the day.

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    Sorry pal but that's one of the lamest arguments I've ever read. No truth whatsoever.

    So BYU was given the 84 championship based on all the achievements they accomplished between 79-84. Ha ha. I don't even have to go into why that is entirely absurd. I can't even believe you voluntarily made that argument.

    84 was for 84, period. End of story. And in 84, BYU played a pathetic schedule. The ones who deserved the 84 championship was Washington.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 4, 2014 3:06 p.m.

    SportsFan
    Orem, UT
    MurrayMike

    Its sad, but true, that a large plurality of "Utah fans" are really more BYU haters, than they are Utah fans, ergo, they root for any team playing BYU.

    ------------

    So many BYU fans are so delusional in this regard.

    Go ask Alabama how much they love Auburn. Go ask Oklahoma how much they love Texas or OK state. Go ask Notre Dame how much they love Miami. Go ask Michigan how much they love Ohio State.

    BYU fans complain all day long about how much Utah fans bash on their team, implying that we should compliment and respect you all day. What a joke.

    Alabama fan poisoned the Auburn tree. Ohio State fan called his cancer "Michigan." Guess they aren't "real fans" of their team either, huh?

    Laughable.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 4, 2014 4:07 p.m.

    Tomahawk Red:

    "84 was for 84, period. End of story."

    Correct you are TR. The cougars finished the '83 season ranked #7...

    ...yet STARTED the '84 season unranked!

    So how could have 1979-83 have had anything to do with it?

    They merely backed into it via attrition. Washington truely WAS the "best team in the country" that year, and the NC's "should" be awarded to the nation's "best team". Handing the crystal trophy over to the Y was a travesty of justice: Washington got robbed, and the cougars were doomed to spend the rest of eternity defending the indefensible.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 4, 2014 4:55 p.m.

    Tomahawk Red

    Sorry, pal, but what Chamberlain wrote is the absolute truth.

    How else would you explain a team from the WAC playing a WAC schedule winning a consensus National Championship and convincing the selectors from all five major national college football organizations that BYU was the MOST DESERVING team to be selected 1984 National Champions?

    No matter much our jealous friends from the hill try to minimize it, BYU's National Championship is just as legitimate as every other college football national championship.

    Even today, the ONLY requirement for winning the AP National Championship, the poll Utah fans always cite, is finishing #1 in the final poll.

    In the Coaches poll, the one that decides who gets the Crystal Football National Championship trophy, the Utes have never finished higher than 4th; and in the BCS standings, the Utes have never finished higher than 6th.

    Call us the next time Utah finishes 66-9 over the course of a 6-year period, with FIVE Top 12 finishes, back-to-back Top 7 finishes, and a 24-game winning streak.

    The truth is, BYU accomplished more from 1979 to 1984, than Utah has accomplished in their entire football history.

    That's not hyperbole, that's a verifiable FACT!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 4, 2014 5:17 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    "the cougars finished the '83 season ranked #7...

    ...yet STARTED the '84 season unranked!"

    Yet BYU 1984 was ranked #8 by Week 2 (funny how you left out that little detail).

    Week Date Rank
    1 4-Sep #13
    2 11-Sep #8
    3 18-Sep #6
    4 25-Sep #8
    5 2-Oct #7
    6 9-Oct #5
    7 16-Oct #7
    8 23-Oct #5
    9 30-Oct #4
    10 6-Nov #4
    11 13-Nov #3
    12 20-Nov #1
    13 27-Nov #1
    14 4-Dec #1
    Final 3-Jan #1

    Compare that to Utah 2008, which didn't even get to #8 until Week 11.

    1 2-Sep #22
    2 7-Sep #22
    3 14-Sep #20
    4 21-Sep #17
    5 28-Sep #15
    6 5-Oct #14
    7 12-Oct #14
    8 19-Oct #12
    9 26-Oct #10
    10 2-Nov #10
    11 9-Nov #8
    12 16-Nov #8
    13 23-Nov #8
    14 30-Nov #7
    15 7-Dec #7
    Final 9-Jan #2

    BYU spent 8 weeks ranked in the Top 5 and more than a month at #1; Utah didn't crack the Top 5 until the final poll.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    June 4, 2014 5:33 p.m.

    navelvet

    "They merely backed into it via attrition."

    And how is that any different from any other season?

    Teams almost always have to wait for teams above them to lose before they can move up in the rankings.

    If Florida, USC, Texas, Penn St, and Boise St had finished the season undefeated, the Utes never would have cracked the Top 5, let alone gotten to #2.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    June 4, 2014 6:37 p.m.

    navel vet

    "the cougars finished the '83 season ranked #7...

    ...yet STARTED the '84 season unranked!"

    Nice try, but, the only reason BYU didn't start the 1984 season ranked, and fans who pretend to know something about the history of BYU football should know this, was Steve Young graduated and the pollsters didn't know how good BYU would be without Young.

    As soon as BYU showed that they could win without Young, in Week 1, they immediately jumped to #13. Except for the pre-season and Week 1 polls, BYU was ranked 8th or higher the entire season.

    Compare that to Utah 2008, which finished 2005, 2006 and 2007 unranked, and didn't even climb into the Top 10 until Week 9. And in the vaunted BCS standings, the Utes finished #6, not even close to a berth in the BCS championship game.

    BYU's history from 1979 to 1983 was absolutely a factor in BYU winning the 1984 national championship.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    June 4, 2014 7:25 p.m.

    Navel Vet

    "the cougars finished the '83 season ranked #7...

    ...yet STARTED the '84 season unranked!"

    BYU started 1984 #22 in the AP pre-season poll, unranked only because the 1984 rankings only included the Top 20, but significantly higher than Utah, which was #34 in the 2008 pre-season poll.

    By Week 1, BYU 1984 was ranked #13, Utah 2008 was only ranked #22.

    It's quite obvious that BYU's 1983 #7 finish was a significant factor in BYU's huge early jump up the rankings, while Utah's unranked 2007 season prevented the Utes from making any big jumps up the rankings until the final game of the season.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    June 4, 2014 10:54 p.m.

    You know things needed to change in college football when someone is handed a "national championship" trophy after beating a bad team from a bad conference.

    Unfortunately, BYU didn't get to play a single decent team that year (maybe Air Force?) They were very far from winning a National Championship game. They didn't even play in a major bowl.

    There really is no evidence that BYU was even among the top ten teams in '84.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    June 5, 2014 8:38 a.m.

    truthsandwich

    "There really is no evidence that BYU was even among the top ten teams in '84."

    Except this:

    BYU was ranked #1 in both the AP and Coaches polls from mid-November until the end of the season.

    What more "evidence" do you need?

    btw, the ONLY reason BYU didn't play in a major bowl is they were contractually obligated to play in the Holiday Bowl.

    The fact is, BYU is the legitimate winner of the 1984 major college football national championship and has the hardware to prove it.

    Straight from the official NCAA website:

    NCAA FBS Championship History
    YEAR | CHAMPION | SELECTING ORGANIZATION
    1988 Notre Dame AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
    1987 Miami (Fla.) AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
    1986 Penn St AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
    1985 Oklahoma AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
    1984 Brigham Young AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
    1983 Miami (Fla.) AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI

    Notice that there's absolutely no distinction made between the championships won by Miami, BYU, Oklahoma, Penn St. and Notre Dame. Despite the jealous whining from the hill, BYU's championship was won based on the exact same criteria as the championships won by the other schools.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 5, 2014 8:48 a.m.

    spoiledsandwich

    "You know things needed to change in college football when someone is handed a "national championship" trophy after beating a bad team from a bad conference."

    Bad team? Michigan would have played in the Rose Bowl if they'd beaten Ohio State in their final regular season game.

    Bad conference? Only a desperately jealous Utah homer would try to claim that the Big Ten is a bad conference.

    Despite your claims and those of your crimson-clad buddies, there's ample evidence that BYU was a Top 10 team in 1984, ranked #1 in both polls at the end of the season and ranked in the Top 10 for almost the entire season, but, unfortunately for U, absolutely no evidence that BYU wasn't a Top 10 team.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 5, 2014 9:01 a.m.

    truthsandwich

    What evidence do you have that Utah 2004 was a Top 10 team. The Utes played the same core group of teams that BYU played in 1984 (Utah State, Air Force, New Mexico, SDSU, Colorado St, Wyoming and BYU) and only beat three regular season opponents with winning records, Texas A&M(7-5), New Mexico(7-5), and Wyoming(7-5), and Utah's bowl opponent, Pittsburgh(8-4) finished LOWER in the final AP poll, #25, than Air Force(8-4) did in 1984, tied with Notre Dame at #24?

    So what evidence do you have that Utah 2004 even deserved to be ranked in the Top 10, let alone be a BCS buster?

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    June 5, 2014 9:25 a.m.

    @truthsandwich

    You are spot on. BYU didn't beat a single team that finished in the top 20. They barely beat a lowly 6-6 Michigan team in there bowl game. No other NC team can say that. Not even close. BYU won the NC by default, and will never, ever come close to touching it again. They would have to earn it in todays (or the BCS) format by beating other top teams and that's not going to happen. Is it BYU's fault? Of course not. Is it the truth? Of course it is. Also, comparing Utah's 2008 team to BYU's 1984 team is silly. Utah beat 4 top 25 teams and an 11-1 Alabama team in the Sugar Bowl. BYU didn't beat anyone.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 5, 2014 10:35 a.m.

    Spokane Ute:

    "BYU didn't beat a single team that finished in the top 20. They barely beat a lowly 6-6 Michigan team in there bowl game."

    Correct you are Spokane Ute. But mentioning their narrow, late 4th-Qtr rally vs. a Michigan team who was playing their backup QB (who for what it's worth was playing with 2 broken vertebrae), you may have given those '84 cougars a bit too MUCH credit. Because that game wasn't their only close game vs. a bad team. There was also a narrow 7-pt, come-from-behind victory vs. 3-7-1 Pitt, a narrow 5-pt goal line stand escaping 7-4 Hawai'i, and a back-&-forth shoot out at Home vs. a 6-6 Wyo team that resulted in a narrow 3-pt win.

    THAT's how "mediocre" and "unworthy" the cougars were back in 1984, and THAT's why they continue to get no respect for successfully navigating their "Bo-Diddley Tech" schedule.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 5, 2014 10:47 a.m.

    Snack WAC, DeepBlue:

    I omitted nothing. You all can't say that your 1979-83 seasons had anything to do with your '84 title if you all started out the season unranked.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 5, 2014 10:49 a.m.

    backWACn:

    "By Week 1, BYU 1984 was ranked #13...It's quite obvious that BYU's 1983 #7 finish was a significant factor in BYU's huge early jump up the rankings..."

    Actually, it's quite obvious that it WASN'T. Had your 1983 #7 final ranking factored into 1984, you wouldn't have started out unranked. The reason the Y jumped up to #13 after their first game was due to beating Pitt, who at the time was ranked #3. It isn't uncommon for an unranked team to leap into the Top-15 if they beat a Top-5 team in their season opener. Had the Y beaten Pitt in November, after they had already lost 6 games, you wouldn't have suddenly vaulted 15 spots in the polls. In fact, that was an issue Gary Crowton was complaining about back in 2001. On Sept. 15th, they were supposed to have played Miss. St., but due to 9-11, that game got postponed to Dec. 1st. On Sept. 15th, they were ranked #17, but by Dec. 1st, they were 3-7 and unranked. Gary didn't think that it was fair that the Y's ranking was impacted by playing MSU later in the season than had they back in Sept.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 5, 2014 10:54 a.m.

    bacWACn (cont):

    Pitt turned out to be overrated, but at the time the Y beat them, folks didn't know that yet. You vaulted to #13 because the pollsters actually thought you'd beaten an elite team, and thus deserved to be counted among the elite.

    Make no mistake: it was "Pitt" that put you up to #13; not 1983. And, that was ONLY because you played them during both your respective season openers. Pitt went on to lose their 1st four games, before narrowly eking out a victory vs. 2-9 East Carolina in early Oct, and then wouldn't win another game until mid-Nov. when they took down 3-8 Tulane.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    June 5, 2014 11:28 a.m.

    @Uteanymous

    "Bad team? Michigan would have played in the Rose Bowl if they'd beaten Ohio State in their final regular season game.

    Bad conference? Only a desperately jealous Utah homer would try to claim that the Big Ten is a bad conference."

    Oh man, you're not going to like hearing this, but I suppose I'll have to be the one to tell you.

    The Big 10 was ranked 8th in 1984. Only one spot above the WAC, which was 9th.

    Michigan finished 6th in the 8th ranked Big 10. That's lower half of the conference.

    BYU barely beat a bad team in a bad conference in a non-major bowl.

    Sorry.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    June 5, 2014 11:51 a.m.

    @midpacmajor

    "So what evidence do you have that Utah 2004 even deserved to be ranked in the Top 10, let alone be a BCS buster?"

    Let's review the Sagarin Rankings; which take into accout record, SOS, etc.
    #2)Auburn, 13-0, SOS #60
    #4) Utah, 12-0, SOS #67
    #5) Louisville, 11-2, SOS #82
    #10) Boise State, 11-1, SOS #78
    As you can see, Utah was ranked exactly where they should have been. I hope that helps. What in the world would lead you to believe they didn't belong in the top 10 other than having a very biased opinion?

    Truth Sandwich and Navalvet

    Thanks and nicely played. Very interesting information. The truth is, well.....the truth. BYU won the NC by default.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    June 5, 2014 12:19 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    "You all can't say that your 1979-83 seasons had anything to do with your '84 title if you all started out the season unranked."

    It's quite obvious that you've chosen to ignore reality.

    BYU didn't make a huge leap up the polls in the 1st week of the season based on only one win. BYU obviously carried a lot of momentum into the 1984 season, dampened only slightly by Steve Young's graduation and the uncertainty of how BYU would perform with a new starting QB.

    BYU put those doubts to bed early with a nationally televised (on ESPN) win on the road against the then #3-ranked team in the country.

    You can stick your fingers in your ears, close your eyes tight, and sing la-la-la all you want to, but the fact is, BYU had built considerable national cachet in the 5 seasons leading up to 1984, and that momentum helped propel BYU to their consensus National Championship.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    June 5, 2014 12:47 p.m.

    @skywalker

    "You can stick your fingers in your ears, close your eyes tight, and sing la-la-la all you want to, but the fact is, BYU had built considerable national cachet in the 5 seasons leading up to 1984"

    So much cachet that they were... unranked?

    "BYU put those doubts to bed early with a nationally televised (on ESPN) win on the road against the then #3-ranked team in the country."

    As has been pointed out, this is no longer pre-season 1984, and so we now know exactly where Pitt ranked among the top teams that year: no where. They were awful.

    Your post just unintentionally reiterated Naval Vet's post.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    June 5, 2014 12:48 p.m.

    Spokane Ute / navelvet / truthsandwich

    You still haven't provided one iota of proof that Utah beat a single opponent that proved that the Utes were a Top 10 team.

    Texas A&M(7-5), unranked, was destroyed by Tennessee 7-38 in their bowl game.

    Pittsburgh(8-4) was barely ranked, #25, in ONE poll, after finishing in a four-way tie for first in the 7-team Big Least, only one win ahead of the 5th-place team.

    New Mexico(7-5), on the road, and Wyoming(7-5), at home, were the only other teams with winning records that Utah beat.

    So which win in that "stellar" group, proved that Utah was a Top 10 team, let alone, a BCS bowl-worthy team?

    *crickets*

  • B C Park City, UT
    June 5, 2014 12:54 p.m.

    "The Big 10 was ranked 8th in 1984. Only one spot above the WAC, which was 9th."

    Just curious what you're using for a source.

  • B C Park City, UT
    June 5, 2014 12:57 p.m.

    "As you can see, Utah was ranked exactly where they should have been."

    I don't see that you've proven anything.

    Who did Utah beat in 2004 that proved that Utah deserved to be ranked #5?

  • B C Park City, UT
    June 5, 2014 1:06 p.m.

    "So much cachet that they were... unranked?"

    They were #22 in the pre-season, unranked ONLY because the rankings only included the Top 20 in 1984.

    As has already been explained, they were only that low in the poll because BYU had lost their starting QB, Steve Young, to graduation. As soon as Robbie Bosco proved to be a capable replacement, BYU immediately jumped to #13 in the FIRST regular season poll.

    BYU obviously had a lot of cachet to make that kind of a leap up the polls in the first week.

    Keep trying younguns, you've still got a looooong way to go to prove your case.

    btw, the majority of major college coaches and national sportswriters on the Coaches and AP voting panels completely disagree with your feeble and obviously biased attempt to rewrite history.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    June 5, 2014 1:13 p.m.

    BlueCoug

    Obviously, there is no convincing you. Every single ranking had Utah in the top 10. Whether it be computer ranking, poll or otherwise, the Fact is they were ranked in the top 10. I provided the Sagarin rankings as proof. I'm sure you could spin Louisville and BSU's schedule the same way. I was unaware that you had to beat a team that some guy named Bluecoug approves of, to recieve a top 10 ranking. Maybe the fact that they were 12-0 has something to do with it. I also love the term "crickets". As if you have actually posted something so profound and fact based that it's beyond reproach. Now that funny stuff, I don't care who you are.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    June 5, 2014 1:26 p.m.

    B C

    I base my position on the Harris, AP, Sagarin, USA Today and BCS poll. You base yours on a very biased opinion. Utah beat everyone they played that year. Only 2 other schools, of all the div 1 schools in the county, accomplished that task. All were ranked in the top 10. Louisville and Boise State were also ranked in the top 10; yet neither beat a ranked opponent (other than Louisville beating BSU). Louisvilles only loss to ranked Miami. So who should have been ranked in the top 10 other than these schools; or is this just a Utah thing?

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    June 5, 2014 1:45 p.m.

    @BlueCoug

    "So which win in that "stellar" group, proved that Utah was a Top 10 team, let alone, a BCS bowl-worthy team? *crickets*"

    Sorry to interrupt your crickets. I don't blame you for wanting to shift the argument away from the merits of BYU's "national championship." I wouldn't want to defend that either.

    You are correct that Utah played a less than stellar schedule in 2004. It still wasn't as weak as BYU's in 84. What's interesting is that Utah not only went undefeated, but they destroyed every opponent on their schedule. The closest margin of victory all season was 14 points. This was a much more impressive season performance than BYU's in 1984, where they barely squeaked by Wyoming and others.

    To answer your question about "what they did to prove they were a BCS bowl-worthy team" I suppose obliterating their opponent in a BCS bowl game (35-7) counts. BYU has never earned a spot in a bowl that big, let alone won one.

    I notice cougar fans always want to compare 84 with 2004. When comparing the season's body of work, they avoid 2008 at all cost. Makes sense. There really is no comparison.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    June 5, 2014 1:53 p.m.

    truthsandwich

    Don't forget they did barely beat a 6-6 Michigan team.

    The trutch really seems to hurt some folks........have a good one Guy; I'm done!

  • Duckhunter Highland , UT
    June 5, 2014 2:07 p.m.

    @spokaneute

    "I was unaware that you had to beat a team that some guy named Bluecoug approves of, to recieve a top 10 ranking"

    Hmmm.......

    Let's change that just a tiny little bit and instead of utah '04 we'll go with BYU '84

    "I was unaware the you had to beat a team that some guy named spokane ute approves of, to recieve (sic) a #1 ranking"

    LOL at the hypocrisy.

  • Duckhunter Highland , UT
    June 5, 2014 2:10 p.m.

    @falsesandwhich

    "has never earned a spot in a bowl that big, let alone won one. "

    So it is the size of the bowl game that makes the difference? The fact utah played a mediocre 4 loss pitt team is of no consequence in your "logic" because "the bowl was big"?

    lol

  • B C Park City, UT
    June 5, 2014 2:10 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    I base my position on BYU 1984 on the AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI polls and selections.

    You and your jealous Utah friends base your positions on your very biased opinions.

    BYU beat everyone they played in 1984. NOT A SINGLE other team in the country accomplished that task.

    #1 BYU 13-0
    #2 Washington 12-1 lost to USC and didn't even win the PAC 10 title
    #3 Florida 9-1-1 lost to Miami, tied LSU, and didn't even play in a bowl (ineligible)
    #4 Nebraska 10-2 lost to Syracuse and Oklahoma and didn't even win the Big 8 title
    #5 Oklahoma 9-2-1 lost to Kansas and Washington, tied Texas

    Bottom line, based on the exact same criteria

    1984 Final AP Poll
    #1 BYU(13-0) 1,160 pts (38) first place votes
    #2 Wash(11-1) 1,140 (16)
    #3 Fla(9-1-1) 1,092 (6)
    #4 Neb(10-2) 1,017
    #5 Okla(9-2-1) 883

    2004 Final AP Poll
    #1 USC(13-0) 1,622 (62)
    #2 Aub(13-0) 1,559 (3)
    #3 Okla(12-1) 1,454
    #4 Utah(12-0) 1,438
    #5 Tex(11-1) 1,391

  • Duckhunter Highland , UT
    June 5, 2014 2:11 p.m.

    BYU 1984 NCAA College Football

    National Champions!

    utah.....never gonna happen.

    lol

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    June 5, 2014 2:13 p.m.

    @BC

    "They were #22 in the pre-season, unranked ONLY because the rankings only included the Top 20 in 1984."

    It's true that 25 teams are ranked now, but it's also true that now you have to do more than beat the worst teams college football has to offer to be considered a "National Champion." In 84, BYU never proved anything against a top 10 or even a top 20 team. They didn't even play in a major bowl.

    Are you sure you want to go by today's standards?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 5, 2014 2:23 p.m.

    truthsandwich:

    "What's interesting is that Utah not only went undefeated, but they destroyed every opponent on their schedule. The closest margin of victory all season was 14 points."

    And even that 14-pt game wasn't as close as the score made it seem. Don't forget that Air Force's final TD came in "garbage time" with only 22-seconds remaining in the game; well after all of Utah's starters had been pulled.

  • B C Park City, UT
    June 5, 2014 2:24 p.m.

    truthsandwich

    "What's interesting is that Utah not only went undefeated, but they destroyed every opponent on their schedule."

    You're forgetting that margin of victory is absolutely MEANINGLESS in the BCS formula that Utah fans continue to harp on as being "superior" to the "old" system.

    From Sagarin:

    "In ELO_CHESS, only winning and losing matters; the score margin is of NO CONSEQUENCE,
    which makes it very "politically correct"... The ELO_CHESS will be utilized by the Bowl Championship Series(BCS)."

    As far as the AP poll is concerned, the national champion is determined in exactly the same way today as it was in 1936 when the poll was started - the team garnering the most votes is ranked #1 and is awarded the AP national championship.

    Do you really think that AP voters live in a complete vacuum where they only look at won-loss records, without any consideration for SOS, margin of victory, road/home wins/losses, and any other factor that they deem pertinent in their voting?

    BYU 1984 finished #1 in that system, Utah 2004 and 2008 finished #4 and #2.

    In the Coaches poll, the one that officially crowns the BCS champion,

    BYU 1984 finished #1, Utah 2004 and 2008 finished #5 and #4.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    June 5, 2014 2:35 p.m.

    @Duckhunter

    "So it is the size of the bowl game that makes the difference? The fact utah played a mediocre 4 loss pitt team is of no consequence in your "logic" because "the bowl was big? lol"

    Yes, winning a bigger bowl is better than winning a smaller one, especially in a discussion where your fellow cougar fans are asking to compare beating an awful team in the Holiday Bowl to beating a better team in a BCS bowl.

    But just focusing on opponents, your "logic" is that a horrible 6-loss Michigan team (from what was an awful conference that year) is better than a 4-loss Pitt team because.. your bowl was smaller?

    "lol"

  • B C Park City, UT
    June 5, 2014 2:36 p.m.

    @truthsandwich

    "In 84, BYU never proved anything against a top 10 or even a top 20 team."

    Neither did Utah in 2004.

    By 1984's standards, Utah would only have 4 lifetime AP Top 20 finishes, only 3 during the BCS era.

    BYU has had 3 AP Top 20 finishes during the Bronco/Kyle era.

    btw, you're still living under the delusion that the AP poll has somehow changed during the BCS.

    There is absolutely NO DIFFERENCE between the AP poll of today and the AP poll of 1984 or of 1936.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    June 5, 2014 2:46 p.m.

    truthsandwich

    re: It's true that 25 teams are ranked now, but it's also true that now you have to do more than beat the worst teams college football has to offer to be considered a "National Champion."

    Cite me chapter and verse in the AP voting guidelines that states any particular requirement for being named AP national champion other than finishing #1 in the final AP poll.

    Where does it say that the national champion MUST beat a ranked team or MUST play in a major bowl?

    When were these new "rules" adopted?

    The truth is, jealous Utah fans think that their biased opinions matter more than the calculated opinions of the voters who vote in the polls.

    Get over yourselves already.

    BYU won the 1984 National Championship.

    Utah has never won a major college football national championship.

    None of your whining and trying to rewrite history based on your crimson-shaded view of the world is going to change that.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    June 5, 2014 3:12 p.m.

    @BC

    "There is absolutely NO DIFFERENCE between the polls of today and the polls of 1936!"

    @ND95CA

    "When were these new "rules" adopted?

    The truth is, jealous Utah fans think that their biased opinions matter more than the calculated opinions of the voters who vote in the polls."

    First, you guys are great.

    Second, I wish I could take credit for the opinion, but Robbie Boscoe had it before I did:

    "With the way the system is now, there's no question we wouldn't have been #1. There would have been 4 teams higher than us in the polls." -RB

    "If strength of schedule had mattered as much then, BYU would not have been voted national champions." -Sports Illustrated

    "lol"

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    June 5, 2014 3:30 p.m.

    It seems that Utah fans like to mix and match supposed "rules" from different eras and different polls to suit their own biased agendas.

    They even want to apply a different set of "rules" to 2004, than they applied to 2008.

    And, they're confused about how BCS "rules" apply to the AP poll - the truth is, there's absolutely no connection between the BCS and the AP poll.

    In fact, USC won the AP national championship in 2003, without playing in the BCS championship game, which according to BCS "rules", is impossible to do, since the winner of the BCS championship game is automatically declared the BCS national champion.

    According to BCS "rules", Utah has never finished higher than 4th (in the official BCS final poll, the coaches poll) and the Utes have never finished higher than 6th in the final BCS standings, meaning, the Utes have never even come closing to winning a "BCS" national championship.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 5, 2014 3:45 p.m.

    distortedtruthsandwich

    "has never earned a spot in a bowl that big, let alone won one."

    ONLY a biased Utah homer could possibly believe that the #1-ranked team in BOTH polls wouldn't have received an at-large bid to one of the major bowls in 1984 if BYU hadn't been contractually bound to play in the Holiday Bowl.

  • chicagoborn Salt Lake City, UT
    June 5, 2014 4:44 p.m.

    The life of a BYU fan.
    Bring up things that happened thirty years ago to show how BYU is still relevant.
    Become fans of other teams that beat Utah because your pathetic team can't get the job done themselves.
    Declare that nobody cares about Utah and then proceed to contribute more than half the comments on a UTAH article that contains around 120 comments.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 5, 2014 5:17 p.m.

    LaVell Edwards after the 1984 Holiday Bowl:

    "If you're number one going in, you're number one coming out. Anybody that saw us win tonight, the way we won with such adversity, knows we earned it."

    Robbie Bosco when asked immediately after the Holiday Bowl whether BYU deserved to be ranked #1, said emphatically:

    "YES"!

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 5, 2014 5:21 p.m.

    chicagoborn

    The life of a Utah fan.

    Ignoring the fact that over 90% of the comments on a Utah article, are about BYU...

    including yours.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    June 7, 2014 8:26 p.m.

    Duckhunter
    Highland , UT
    @u-pac

    Uh.....BYU is the one that is "loaded" at the RB position with superior players to anything utah has. lol at your delusion.

    _______

    Yeah it's sure helped you record against ranked teams, losing on ESPN in from of a wonderful national audience. And still no power conference invite.

    The only thing that's loaded are comments by frantic, wishful thinking BYU fans.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    June 7, 2014 8:35 p.m.

    Just the FAX
    Olympus Cove, Utah
    LaVell Edwards after the 1984 Holiday Bowl:

    "If you're number one going in, you're number one coming out. Anybody that saw us win tonight, the way we won with such adversity, knows we earned it."

    Robbie Bosco when asked immediately after the Holiday Bowl whether BYU deserved to be ranked #1, said emphatically:

    "YES"!

    __________

    Of course they are going to talk like that. What do you expect them to say? They could have been honest about their weak schedule that year, and beating a 6-6 Michigan team.