Not sure this topic warrants a story on the dnews. This is twitter fodder.
Yes, BYU should try to schedule Alabama in 2015. And I will try to get a date
with Sophia Vergara.
I would love to see this game. "Roll Tide Baby"
Please please please make this game happen! I'd be laughing for 3 straight
hours, kind of like I do during the Utah byu games.
BYU should try to schedule every top tier team in the country that it can. You
only get better by playing top competition. This is the whole reason we went
independent. And we get exposure in the Eastern half of the country, more media
coverage, etc. Then there's the whole matter of gearing up to
play such a team. Bronco hasn't shown he is capable of doing it on a
consistent basis. Anae even far less. Still, I'd rather see us be more
ambitious in the scheduling.
Funny, the predicament that byu has put itself in. Right now, given recent
events, byu is the only team in the country that would question whether or not
they should try to schedule a game with the Alabama. On one hand it would
certainly meet the "exposure" criteria and an upset would immediately
get them the "prestige" that they lack. On the other hand, Alabama would
have marching orders from the SEC, "under no circumstance do you lose to
byu". It would give both, the SEC and byu a chance to put their money where
their mouth is. Comments to follow will be interesting. On the
side...Which is correct, itself or it's self?
BYU should do what ever it takes to make this game. Nothing ventured, nothing
Thanks, Lafe, for giving all our U fans something to laugh about. By next
December, laughs will be few and far between. Again.Schedule the
game. Do what it takes. The answer is always "NO" to the question you
don't ask, and you absolutely will not win the games you don't play.
Schedule the game.Utah State has been exceptionally kind to BYU.
Maybe they would consider changing a home game to an away game as part of a 2
for 1 in their favor. Maybe Boise would. Get creative, but schedule the game.
Wow - 10 posts and 9 are from ute "fans". That is impressive for all
the wrong reasons. Little bro is alive and well at 5-7 and struggling for
PP,Utah fans are excited about the upcoming season. What's to get
excited about in happy valley?
It's to the point I have to ask.....Do Ute fans have nothing better to do
than read AND COMMENT on articles about BYU???? I think the only semi-Ute
related article I've even taken time to read was the one from today that
mentioned both Dres Anderson and Jordan Leslie. I've joked about this
privately for a while, wondering if these people have nothing better to do with
their lives; but now I'm starting to regret my needling, I'm starting
to really believe that these people have some serious situation in their lives
that leaves them with so few options that they spend time and energy reading and
commenting about someone else's team. I'm really sorry guys, my best
to you during these difficult times in your lives.
Of course they should schedule that game!Chris B, of course we
Cougar Fans remember that game Utah played against the Crimson tide... Most of
us were watching and cheering for our neighbors to the north!
Yes! We'll play them and beat them to!
Of course we should try to schedule Alabama. It would be a big mistake to not
schedule them if the option is available. Drop San Jose State or UNLV or
Southern Miss, or make a deal with one of them to switch to playing at BYU that
year. Do whatever it takes. Who cares if we already have a few power conference
opponents who happen to be big name programs themselves. That would make the
deal even sweeter. Bring it On. Isn't that kind of what we are trying to
do? Build a schedule that is respectable each year? Scheduling Alabama in the
same year we have Nebraska and Michigan would be a HUGE step forward, even if it
is a one and done with Alabama.As for Chris B and his fellow BYU
hater trolls trolls, yes I remember when Utah beat Alabama. As a matter of fact,
I was cheering for Utah. Why? Because as a BYU fan my life doesn't revolve
around hating Utah.
@ brs27"It's to the point I have to ask.....Do Ute fans
have nothing better to do than read AND COMMENT on articles about
BYU????"You might want to check the Utah articles and
you'll be surprised to find how many Cougar fans with nothing better to do
than read and comment on Utah articles. It does go both ways and I know that may
come as a shock for you. Last I checked, these are public forums so
anyone can write comments on any article if they like. Lastly, the
reason BYU is getting so much attention and attracting so many people to comment
on articles is because BYU is in the news due to the SEC and ACC snub, BYU
breaking NCAA rules and conducting an internal investigation, and possibly BYU
turning down a chance to play Alabama because their not a WAC team that
they're used to playing.
Dear Y Fans,Utah fans (including myself) read and comment on BYU
articles because it's the end of May and there is nothing else going on in
the world of college football. There isn't much to talk about right now
with Utah or any other P5 program because this is the dreaded summer time that
is full of "way too early predictions" that don't mean anything.
Utah is in a great spot with their seat amongst the big boys in place. BYU on
the other hand is the exact opposite, their program is at a very interesting
point in their history. The events over the next few months and years will
define the future of BYU Football, for better or worse. It's incredibly
intriguing. To say that we read and comment on BYU articles because we are
obsessed is naive. With that said, BYU should do whatever it takes
to make this game happen.
Alabama is tough and all, but they are definitely no PAC 12 team, let alone
Utah. Can you imagine how much harder our schedule would be if we had to play
WSU instead of Fresno, or Cal instead of Utah State, or Arizona instead of
Cincinnati. Just would just ruin us if we had to play a PAC 12 schedule.
@ Chris B - Salt Lake City, UT - "byu already has Nebraska and Michigan and
that makes their schedule possibly already difficult enough? LOL - ya, for a WAC
team maybe. 2 games against power conference teams is all they could schedule
and they're already talking up how difficult that schedule is? LOL"2 comments:1) Chris B. must work for the Deseret News. His
buddies must tell him the nano-second a BYU football-related story is going to
hit the net. That's how he often ends up being the first poster. Never
could figure out why such a devoted Utah fan comments more on the team he hates
than his own team. Weird.2) Chris B., so how's that 3-season
losing record treating you? Love those bowl games you guys have played in
recently.Oops.... As far as the story goes, yes, BYU
should schedule Alabama. Pitt. Miami. Oklahoma. Alabama.Has a nice ring to it, don't you think?...Go Cougars!
"byu already has Nebraska and Michigan and that makes their schedule
possibly already difficult enough?LOL - ya, for a WAC team
maybe"Exactly. Look no farther than Utah's 2008 football
schedule to see the cupcake WAC schedule Utah played. Looks mighty similar.
Oh I also forgot to mention the mighty Buffalos as well instead of San Jose...
@ Chris B - Salt Lake City, UT - "change supremo, We don't care that
you cheered for us. USC doesn't care if san diego state or fresno fans
cheer for USC. You're irrelevant."Chris B., and yet you
still comment.If BYU is so "irrelevant" then why do you
spend so much time trying to beat us down?
Speak for yourself, El Chango Supremo. Real BYU fans root for BYU and whomever
is playing Utah this week.
Or can you imagine also having to play UW or Oregon State instead of Boise
State? We need to stick to our easy WAC schedule or we will turn out like
another instate program...and I'm not referring to the Aggies.
Why doesn't byu just set up a home and home?Alabama needs a
home game in 2015 and then they can go to Provo in 2016.Why
doesn't Holmoe suggest this?
ESPN will drive this thing, they'll want an Alabama game on their network
and will do what it takes to get it. If that means a tough September for BYU
then so be it. If it means dropping someone then OK, those teams will always be
happy to schedule BYU.
I don't think fans of either school have room for much trash talking. BYU
can't beat Utah in football. Utah can't make a bowl game. Both teams
are mediocre. It's okay to accept the truth.
Wait, byu has only 2 power conference teams on their schedule and this article
suggests that maybe that schedule is already too difficult?LOL!So you want to be one of the big boys but won't play 3 games
against the big boys that year?
Johnny Triumph, "If it means dropping someone then OK, those
teams will always be happy to schedule BYU."Its that kind of
attitude that has byu OUT of the big boy conferences. And your
comment is only true about those teams being happy always to schedule byu..unless its the ACCor the Big 12or the Big 10or the Pac 12or the SECor the MWC who
doesn't like you either
Tyler11385,I noticed that you failed to mention USC, Stanford,
Oregon, Arizona St., etc. Therein lies the difference. Your team can go on
playing that cute little schedule and win 8-10 games. Utah will continue
playing in the 2nd best conference in the nation, only behind the SEC.
By all means schedule this game. Humility is a good thing even when you are
compelled to be such. Alabama would not just beat BYU but completely destroy
Lifelong Ute"Please please please make this game happen!
I'd be laughing for 3 straight hours..."Shows just how
clueless you are about BYU football. The last time BYU played Alabama, the
Crimson Tide barely avoided an upset loss. The game was tied 24-24 late in the
3rd quarter, before Alabama pulled off a narrow 38-31 win.The close
win spooked Alabama into cancelling their scheduled return visit to BYU.
Doesn't Alabama owe BYU a game in Provo already after BYU played in
Tuscaloosa in 1998. Why was this not even addressed in this article? Seems like
a pretty important detail.I say schedule this game in 2015 --
providing they give BYU 2 games in Provo. Do it Tom!
@KHYou are totally right. That would suck bad to have to play USC
instead of Nebraska, or UCLA instead of Michigan. L
Chris B"Why doesn't BYU just set up a home and
home?"Remind us that last time Utah played an SEC team at
home.Hint: Not a single SEC team has ever agreed to visit tiny RES.
BYU should give Alabama the Tony Kornheiser salute.
Who cares if Utah plays in the Pac. They don't compete. I haven't
heard Kentucky beating their chest about playing in the SEC. Probably because
they are the cellar dweller.
"You are totally right. That would suck bad to have to play USC instead of
Nebraska, or UCLA instead of Michigan. L"Tyler,The
difference is that Utah plays these teams every single year. I'd have to
double check, but I'm pretty sure byu has those two games with Nebraska and
Michigan scheduled just once. Nice try. Oh, and I also named more
than two teams in my last post. USC, Stanford, Oregon, Arizona St, and thanks
for reminding me about UCLA. Too easy.
U-PAC"BYU would have to pay Alabama at least $500k to play AT
Alabama."LOL at the delusional crimson cloud that constantly
hangs over the hill.Alabama would have to pay BYU at least $1
million to play at Alabama.
No guts, no glory. Schedule the game.
Why would BYU shy away from this opportunity? If the hole in Alabama's
schedule matches up date wise with BYU's it should be a no brainer. BYU
wants to get into the playoff and the only way to do that is to play top level
teams in as many games as possible each year. Shying away from a killer month
isn't going to make that happen. Schools in the Big 5 conferences
don't get that luxury during their conference seasons and if BYU wants to
sit back and enjoy that kind of a schedule they will never prove the belong in
I just literally laugh out loud every time CB makes a "big boys"
comment. As if her team isn't a goldfish in a shark tank.
KH - I couldn't agree more. If only...
@ChrisB - You can't tell me that Utah would view a game vs a MWC team the
same way BYU would. Those are the teams I'm talking about, those who will
always love to play BYU. If BYU can swing one game vs Alabama then they should
go for it, UNLV will always be there.BYU hung with Bama in 1998, why
It's almost as if Texas or Miami would never come to LES either. Crazy talk
if you ask me.
CougarSunDevilPhoenix, AZLook no farther than Utah's 2008
football schedule to see the cupcake WAC schedule Utah played. Looks mighty
similar.----------And rightfully so, we didn't lose
a game. Why don't you give that a try sometime?
@ Johnny Triumph"BYU hung with Bama in 1998, why not
now?"East Carolina also hung with Bama and only lost by one
point (23-22). Alabama back in 1998 was an average SEC team going 7-5 and 3rd in
the SEC west division. Alabama today under Nick Saban is a very strong team
winning 3 National Championships in the last 5 years. The Crimson Tide would
roll all over BYU if they played today.
Mormon UteKaysville, UTWhy would BYU shy away from this
opportunity?--------Because BYU hasn't even
remotely been offered this "opportunity."The author is
trying to make it sound like the offer has already been made. In other words,
he's dishing the blue kool aid and every BYU fan is drinking it.
Johnny TriumphAmerican Fork, UTBYU hung with Bama in 1998, why
not now?--------There's no way you can possibly be
serious with this.Do you honestly believe the 1998 Tide are nearly
as good as they are now? Oh goodness.1998- (7-5 record, played just
two ranked teams, lost to every one of the decent ones, and even lost to a few
mediocre ones)2013- (11-2 record, arguably the best team in CFB,
coming off three national titles in the last five years)Please say
you were joking.
If BYU doesn't schedule this game, the entire athletic department should be
fired. Wanna prove you can hang with the big boys and that it was a
mistake for the SEC and ACC to snub you? Here's your chance. Money, meet
Also, for the record, I'd gladly ignore my conscience and cheer for BYU in
Aggie238Logan, UTIf BYU doesn't schedule this game, the entire
athletic department should be fired. Wanna prove you can hang with
the big boys and that it was a mistake for the SEC and ACC to snub you?
Here's your chance. Money, meet mouth.---------Problem is, I guarantee you there have been two dozen other teams that have
beaten BYU to it. Once word of this story got out, I bet the Bama AD's
phone has been ringing off the hook. I mean, he's basically offering $1
million to the first team to fill that spot.By the time BYU calls,
I'll bet that slot has been long since filled.
Article says Bama's AD has been busy calling dozens of teams to fill that
slot.Meaning, it hasn't even occurred to him to contact BYU...
despite the fact they're independent and likely have slots to fill.
He's struck out so far because everyone in a conference has the 15 schedule
filled already, as they have only three/four nonconference games to schedule. So
shouldn't his first thought be to look at the non-conference affiliated
independents? One would think.The fact that Bama's AD
hasn't contacted BYU -- when they should have been among the first teams to
pop into his head -- tells you everything you need to know about how the SEC
views BYU.Which is to say, they're invisible.
Don't do it, you already have a 1 and None in 2015 (Michigan). Two of them
will make you look like an lower division school chasing the money. Have a
little pride will ya.
Holmoe, do what it takes. BYU needs to play every SEC team with a hole in their
CougarSunDevilPhoenix, AZ"byu already has Nebraska and
Michigan and that makes their schedule possibly already difficult enough?LOL - ya, for a WAC team maybe"Exactly. Look no farther
than Utah's 2008 football schedule to see the cupcake WAC schedule Utah
played. Looks mighty similar.--------------In 2008, Utah
beat 4 ranked teams, #6, #7, #18, #25. When was the last time ASU did that, ...
BYU has beat 3 ranked teams since 1996. When was the last time ASU
beat a WAC team? 0-3? Really?Boise State L 24-56Hawaii L
24-41Louisiana State L 31-35
Go for it!I, for one, am excited to see the possibility of BYU
playing Nebraska, Michigan, and possibly Alabama in the same year. (Boise
State? time will tell. New coach and they are projected as the 53rd ranked
team for next year.) Winning even one game against the first 3 is how BYU will
start to gain national respect!And I love to see the excitement of
cougar fans in these posts. Now I hope you understand why I, and most Utah
fans, have loved the PAC-12 even when we have only won 30% of our games! To put in perspective the 2014 projected ranking of Alabama, Michigan,
Nebraska, and Boise State is #4,#18, #43, and #53 respective. Now look at
Utah's 2014 schedule: In eight straight games Utah plays (with 2014
projected ranking in parenthesis) Michigan (18); Washing State ($9); UCLA (5);
Oregon State (28); USC (13); Arizona State (16); Oregon (2); and Stanford (8)
I know, I know, another Ute fan playing the Strength of Schedule card!A sincere hope you do schedule Alabama and good luck with the other "high
profile" games in 2015!
Although we are 2-12 against ranked opponents...we need to take this game to
earn some respect. So we play 4 hard teams in a year...big deal...take a look
at Notre Dames schedule that so many of our delusional fans say we are even par
with. We take this game anytime and go be competitive. Thats how we raise the
level of our brand. Lets do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Amazing how right after the ACC and SEC snubbed BYU, many ute fans began talking
about how BYU would never possibly schedule an SEC team.And yet,
here we are, just a few weeks later, and it's being discussed. I understand
that it's a long shot to get Alabama on the schedule and this is still far
from actually getting an agreement to play them, but we have not been shunned by
@CougarSunDevilExactly. Look no farther than Utah's 2008
football schedule to see the cupcake WAC schedule Utah played. Looks mighty
similar.-------------I did and you are wrong.
Utah's 2008 SOS is actually "mighty similar" to as ASU's 2012
SOS. BYU's 2013 SOS "mighty similar" to their WAC 1984 SOS.SOS Rankings:Utah's 2008 #56 ... 13-0ASU's
2012 #52 ... 8-5BYU's 1984 #104 ... 12-0.BYU's 2013
#97 (currently) ... 10-2 (My projection)
"Utah football: Game times, TV plans announced for three 2014 games" = 9
comments"BYU football to play Texas on Fox Sports 1 in prime
time" = 27 comments"Should BYU try to schedule Alabama in
2015? = 60 commentsAlmost 100 comments total on the two BYU
articles, the vast majority from jealous Utah fans; it's hilarious how
obsessed the kids on the hill are with their big brothers.
Johnny TriumphAmerican Fork, UT said:"ESPN will drive this
thing, they'll want an Alabama game on their network and will do what it
takes to get it."Makes you wonder why ESPN has not pushed BYU in
the first place.
BlueCougOrem, UT said:Chris B""Why doesn't
BYU just set up a home and home?"Remind us that last time Utah
played an SEC team at home.Hint: Not a single SEC team has ever
agreed to visit tiny RES."Care to talk about BYU and its WAC
Legacy there BlueCoug?
@ BlueCougBama in 1998 went 7-5. Please don't even try to
pretend that the Tide was even a shadow of the team they currently have...
When sports writers start sounding like fans, both sides of a story go out the
door. No opinion or observation from the other side.BYU fans have
indeed cornered the market and monopolized frantic, folklore BYU football.
@ TrollPoliceWhat exactly are Utah fans jealous of?
TrollPoliceSalt Lake City, UT said:""Utah football:
Game times, TV plans announced for three 2014 games" = 9 comments"BYU football to play Texas on Fox Sports 1 in prime time" = 27
comments"Should BYU try to schedule Alabama in 2015? = 60
commentsAlmost 100 comments total on the two BYU articles, the vast
majority from jealous Utah fans; it's hilarious how obsessed the kids on
the hill are with their big brothers."Big brother?BYU complains about the SEC & ACC scaling them second class.Uptight
you were not invited to the PAC 12.The list goes on.Bad
example set by big brother.
upinthenight"Care to talk about BYU and its WAC Legacy there
BlueCoug?"You're just jealous that Utah has no WAC legacy -
only 2 WAC championships in 37 years in the conference. In fact,
your ENTIRE legacy lasted only two years, 2004 and 2008.2fer"Please don't even try to pretend that the Tide was even a
shadow of the team they currently have..."When was the last time
Utah even played an SEC team at home or on the road. Don't belittle BYU,
when the Utes are too chicken to even venture into SEC country and too
insignificant to entice an SEC team to come to RES."What exactly
are Utah fans jealous of?"Why else would you feel compelled to
constantly hang out on BYU blogs?
@CougarSunDevilLook no farther than Utah's 2008 football schedule to
see the cupcake WAC scheduleWhen was the last time BYU or ASU beat 4
teams that finished the season ranked? Utah accomplished that with their 2008
"WAC schedule". A little research might help you out with future posts.
@ LonestarRunnerUtah doesn't have to venture into SEC
territory. We play a whole PAC-12 schedule. But, congrats on being
"significant enough" to get Mississippi State to come to Provo 14 years
ago. It must have been awesome getting blown out by the least competitive team
in the SEC. Lastly, FWIW I wasn't belittling BYU. My comment only said
that just because BYU had a close game with the Tide in 1998, doesn't mean
they would have one next year.We're here because the vast
majority of the college football news this offseason has come out of Provo. BYU
is still Utah's main rival, and therefore there is interest in what happens
with the Cougars. I can promise you that nobody is jealous of an independent
mid-major, sanctions pending, program.
2fer" I can promise you that nobody is jealous of an independent
mid-major, sanctions pending, program."Fair enough.And I can assure you that no one is jealous of being home for the holidays,
pink slips in December (and I'm not talking about clothing), QB drama, this
year's winning lotto football numbers of 4-5, 3-6, 2-7, and ?, AND whining
about how tough it is in a 'big boy' conference.LOL
BYU would be idiots not to take the opportunity to play an Alabama. How are
they ever going to get past being the "has been" on the 1980s if they
don't take the chance to knock off a power house SEC team like Bama, (good
luck with that). BYU is known for scheduling "cupcake" teams in order
to just break 500 each year. Time to take the risk and run with the big dogs if
opportunity knocks, else stop whining and schedule Idaho State yet again and
keep that sweet 500 streak going. Roll Tide !!!
LonestarRunnerSalt Lake City, UTupinthenight"Care to
talk about BYU and its WAC Legacy there BlueCoug?"You're
just jealous that Utah has no WAC legacy - only 2 WAC championships in 37 years
in the conference. In fact, your ENTIRE legacy lasted only two
years, 2004 and 2008.2fer"Please don't even try
to pretend that the Tide was even a shadow of the team they currently
have..."When was the last time Utah even played an SEC team at
home or on the road. Don't belittle BYU, when the Utes are too chicken to
even venture into SEC country and too insignificant to entice an SEC team to
come to RES."What exactly are Utah fans jealous of?"Why else would you feel compelled to constantly hang out on BYU
blogs?__________Yawn. Anyone can post here. Why do BYU
fans like yourself feel compelled to pretend you belong in a power conference?
Some day if you are invited, no matter what, you will always be considered
@WACPaddling - yep, just like Utah
WACpaddled"Why do BYU fans like yourself feel compelled to
pretend you belong in a power conference?"Utah certainly
doesn't belong in a power conference - the record speaks for itself:Lifetime 11+ Win, AP/Coaches Top 25 FinishesBYU - 11Utah - 21979 BYU(11-1) #13/#121980 BYU(12-1) #12/#111981 BYU(11-2) #13/#111983 BYU(11-1) #7/#71984 BYU(13-0) #1/#11985 BYU(11-3) #16/#171996 BYU(14-1) #5/#52001 BYU(12-2)
#25/#242004 Utah(12-0) #4/#52006 BYU(11-2) #16/#152007
BYU(11-2) #14/#152008 Utah(13-0) #2/#42009 BYU(11-2) #12/#12It's quite obvious which team really deserves to be in a power
conference, and which team only got there by being lucky enough to be in the
right place at the right time.Bronco has more 11+ win, Top 15
finishes (THREE),than Utah has in its entire history (TWO).
sammygSpringville, UT2fer" I can promise you
that nobody is jealous of an independent mid-major, sanctions pending,
program."Fair enough.And I can assure you that no
one is jealous of being home for the holidays, pink slips in December (and
I'm not talking about clothing), QB drama, this year's winning lotto
football numbers of 4-5, 3-6, 2-7, and ?, AND whining about how tough it is in a
'big boy' conference.----------------Speaking
of pink slips in December, see Brandon Doman. Speaking of QB drams, see
Heaps and Riley.Speaking of this year's winning lotto numbers: BYU
0-2 in a two game scheduleSpeaking of whining about a tough schedule, you
wouldn't understand considering you've never played one.
It seems that I am not up on events/schedules of BYU in September 2015 BYU
already has a couple of one and dones. Michigan and Nebraska have no return
dates to Provo. I guesss you might as well play all your early games as one and
done. Get the Tide on the schedule and go 1-3 in Sept. Good teams
on the road early and poor teams at home late, I am truly sorry that you cougs
must go through this.
Uteology"Speaking of whining about a tough schedule, you
wouldn't understand considering you've never played one."The truth is, prior to 2013, Utah had NEVER played a Top 40 SOS; BYU has
played THREE Top 40 schedules since 2003!Sagarin Top 40 SOS2003 BYU #142004 BYU #112013 BYU #38, Utah #3Why
don't you try using facts once in awhile, instead of your usual label-based
81UtesWhat about NO TEAMS, ANYWHERE after November? (see Utah since
2012)Those who live in crimson tinted, glass houses, should avoid
@RockwellIt's quite obvious which team really deserves to be in
a power conference, and which team only got there by being lucky enough to be in
the right place at the right time.--------------It is
obvious to everyone why Utah and TCU deserve to be in a power conference.Utah's BCS Resume:* Original BCS Buster* 2 major
bowl wins* 2 top 5 finished, including highest ranked mid-major team under
BCS rules* Top winning percentage vs BCS teams as a mid-majorTCU's BCS Resume:* 1-1 in major bowls* 4 top 10 ranked
teams, including 2nd highest ranked mid-major team under BCS rules* 2nd
best winning percentage vs BCS teamsBYU's BCS Resume:* Quest t-shirts* Airport celebrations* Losing record vs BCS teams
yeh, ute fans…you don't get it…you knee jerk assume "power
5" teams are all predictably difficult…see Cal, Wazzou, Colo, Az,
….when you take teams like USC, MI, Tx, and Nebraska…those are a
little different….surely you can see that? So with a few of the top
Power 5 teams, with Boise State, you have a tough September…get it now?
Rockwell"Utah certainly doesn't belong in a power
conference - the record speaks for itself:Lifetime 11+ Win,
AP/Coaches Top 25 Finishes"BYU - 11Utah - 2shushDon't tell the PAC-12 sticker happy Utes that the
conference elevator that they boarded wan't headed to the penthouse, it was
only headed to the basement.On the bright side, they are getting a
nice paycheck for losing, bowl less seasons.
@TruthMachineThe truth is, prior to 2013, Utah had NEVER played a
Top 40 SOS; BYU has played THREE Top 40 schedules since 2003!Sagarin
Top 40 SOS2003 BYU #142004 BYU #112013 BYU #38, Utah #3Why don't you try using facts once in awhile, instead of your usual
label-based hyperbole?-------------Still not the same as
playing in a P5 conference.Also, BYU went:2003 4-82004 5-62013 8-5Playing in the MWC and "being home for
the holidays" two straight years, then mocking Utah for doing the same in
the PAC-12! Priceless!!
UteologyAs usual, you hide behind labels and hyperbole, instead of
actual results.Utah's "power conference" resume is TWO
seasons long.BYU's "power conference" resume is FOUR
DECADES long.Lifetime 11+ Win, AP/Coaches Top 25 FinishesBYU - 11Utah - 21979 BYU(11-1) #13/#121980 BYU(12-1)
#12/#111981 BYU(11-2) #13/#111983 BYU(11-1) #7/#71984
BYU(13-0) #1/#11985 BYU(11-3) #16/#171996 BYU(14-1) #5/#52001
BYU(12-2) #25/#242004 Utah(12-0) #4/#52006 BYU(11-2) #16/#152007 BYU(11-2) #14/#152008 Utah(13-0) #2/#42009 BYU(11-2)
#12/#12National ChampionshipsBYU 1Utah 0Heisman Trophy WinnersBYU 1Utah 0National Individual
Award WinnersBYU 15Utah 0National Hall of Fame
PlayersBYU 6Utah 0AP Top 25 FinishesBYU 17Utah 5BYU has been a perennial AP Top 25 team since 1977 (17 of 34
seasons - 50%).Utah didn't even crack the AP poll until 1994.Bronco has had almost as many AP Top 25 finishes since 2006 (FOUR), as
the Utes have had in their entire history (FIVE).
Why not make it a game at a nuetral location! This would fill out both
schedules and be huge. Similiar to BYU beating Oklahoma in the house that Jerry
built. The Superdome in New Orleans would be huge! Call it a home game for
Alabama if you want. Reschedule or sweeten a deal with Southern Miss that year
or try swap the home and away with S. Miss so they play in Provo next year and
at S. Miss in 16.Of course BYU should only do this if they get a
return commitment from Alabama to play in Provo in 16 or 17.
@ UteanymousI bet you have all those stats saved on a word doc so
you can always refer to it when your losing an argument. The fact is
the ACC, SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, and PAC-12 have all labeled BYU as a
"mid-major". I guess they weren't impressed by BYU's WAC
legacy 30 years ago. Your stats are meaningless especially when BYU
loses to their hated rival 4 straight years and 9 of the last 12 years. Utah is
just a better team than BYU. BYU talks about how their the better
team, while Utah shows their the better team on the field and let the scoreboard
do all the talking.
What quality teams did BYU beat during the seasons listed below? Teams that
actually finished the season ranked. 3-7-1 Pitt doesn't count, nor does
2013 unranked Texas, 2009 unranked Oklahoma, or unranked UCLA.I'll start the list for you and you can finish it1- Kansas State
19962- ???3- ???4- ???What you will discover is
that BYU rarely beat a quality ranked team in the seasons you are propping
up.1979 BYU(11-1) #13/#121980 BYU(12-1) #12/#111981
BYU(11-2) #13/#111983 BYU(11-1) #7/#71984 BYU(13-0) #1/#11985
BYU(11-3) #16/#171996 BYU(14-1) #5/#52001 BYU(12-2) #25/#242006 BYU(11-2) #16/#152007 BYU(11-2) #14/#152009 BYU(11-2) #12/#12
UteologyAnd how many OC's have the Utes gone thru?Bwaaaaaaaaaah!Ute memory is a selective thing.And just
so you know... I wasn't thinking pink slips for OCs.Next level
up please... and the fans will call for it... "Mark it down"
BYU football is in trouble. They are dealing with NCAA violations, they have
been declared irrelevant by the ACC and they are aren't doing anything to
get to the elite level (new coach?)Why would Alabama want to schedule
them?Holmoe has the toughest job in athletics.
Yes, I believe BYU can hang with Bama. 1998 Bama might have been a different
team but what's not to say the 2015 version will match up with the recent
past? Saying that is like saying the 1998 team should have rolled BYU because
of the Bear Bryant days. Get real, teams change, players change, and anything
is possible. If BYU doesn't take chances then what is gained? Utah took a
chance on the PAC12 and it's been a tough learning curve; but they made the
move. Does Utah's success in the 2000s translate to immediate success in
the PAC12? Obviously not. Does it mean Utah will remain at the bottom of the
conference forever? Certainly not. Why should BYU be any different? If BYU is
not shooting for the top then why even sponsor football?So please
don't tell me BYU shouldn't do this based on Bama's recent
I honestly think that if BYU played Bama the Cougs would lose by 5+ touchdowns,
and that's being generous.
Uteology"Still not the same as playing in a P5
conference."More labels and hyperbole.BYU played
much tougher schedules in the MWC in 2003 and 2004, than Utah played in the PAC
in 2011 and 2012.Bowls, SOS and AP ranked opponents2003
BYU(4-8) #14 (#1, #16, #21) - no bowl2004 BYU(5-6) #11 (#1, #5, #12) - no
bowl2011 Utah(8-5) #49 (#6) - BOWL2012 BYU(8-5) #63 (#18, #16, #20,
#4, #21) - BOWL2012 Utah(5-7) #41 (#16, #20) - no bowl2013 BYU(8-5)
#38 (#22, #20, #25) - BOWL2013 Utah(5-7) #3 (#14, #10, #19, #5) - no
bowlNotice that BYU played a tougher schedule with more ranked teams
in 2013, than Utah played in 2012, yet BYU still qualified for a bowl.Bowl Games after Playing a Top 40 ScheduleBYU 1 of 3Utah 0 of 1
@Uteology - you forget that the 1996 BYU team paved the way for BCS busting. Or
maybe you've forgotten all the mess with the Cotton Bowl team that finished
#5 and should have been in the BCS. That year helped forge the rules changes to
the BCS that allowed for inclusion of previously excluded teams. And while it
was great going to the Cotton Bowl it was no BCS game.
xamIt's hilarious how Utah fans beat their chests about every
P5 team Utah beats, and then claim that BYU's wins versus Texas and
Oklahoma don't count as "quality" wins.What's even
more laughable is Utah fans using rankings to measure "quality"
opponents, and then claiming that the rankings invalid when it's BYU
who's ranked.Utah fans seem to struggle with the concept that
its where YOU finish, not where your OPPONENTS finish, that matters.Nobody cares if you pull off an occasional upset, like Utah versus Stanford in
2013, if you're not good enough to be ranked or qualify for a bowl.Bottom line is this:11+ Win, Top 25 SeasonsBYU -
11Utah - 21979 BYU(11-1) #13/#121980 BYU(12-1)
#12/#111981 BYU(11-2) #13/#111983 BYU(11-1) #7/#71984
BYU(13-0) #1/#11985 BYU(11-3) #16/#171996 BYU(14-1) #5/#52001
BYU(12-2) #25/#242004 Utah(12-0) #4/#52006 BYU(11-2) #16/#152007 BYU(11-2) #14/#152008 Utah(13-0) #2/#42009 BYU(11-2)
#12/#12BYU was ranked using the exact same criteria used for every
ClarkWhat does this stat tell you?4-5, 3-6, 2-7It tells you that a team with only two 11+ win, Top 25 seasons doesn't
belong in a P5 conference.You couldn't even win the PAC South
when every other team in the division, except ineligible USC, finished with
losing records.With the other teams improving, Utah's fate as a
perennial, bottom-dwelling, bowl less team is sealed.It's time
to stop pretending that you're anything more than shark bait for the big
boys of the conference.
UteologyStill waiting for your power conference resume.Other than your flash-in-the-pan 2004 and 2008 seasons, what season-long
accomplishments on a national scale has Utah had that prove that Utah deserves
to be in a power conference.Don't give me upset wins like
Appalachian State over Michigan. Don't give me cumulative wins over
mediocre teams that happen to be in power conferences.
If we really want the national respect we claim we deserve, then we should not
even flinch at playing Michigan, Nebraska, and Alabama. Any Big 10 team who
schedules Alabama would have a similar, if not even tougher schedule. If you
want a shot at a playoff spot, you accept this schedule.
Good grief, these comments are lame. So...back to the topic. Alabama has an opening on their schedule and literally looking for someone /
anyone to fill the vacancy but Holmoe is too scared to step up to the plate.
It's certainly easier for byu fans to talk like they can beat any team in
the nation and talk like they belong in the P5 than it is to stand tall and
actually take on one of the giants. byu doesn't belong. Never
has...never will. Maybe Provo High is available in 2015. They'll fit in
with the rest of byu's schedule just fine.
ND95CA, The question was, from the list below what teams did BYU beat that
finished the season ranked. All impressive legacies have impressive wins. 1979 BYU(11-1) #13/#121980 BYU(12-1) #12/#111981 BYU(11-2)
#13/#111983 BYU(11-1) #7/#71984 BYU(13-0) #1/#11985 BYU(11-3)
#16/#171996 BYU(14-1) #5/#52001 BYU(12-2) #25/#242006
BYU(11-2) #16/#152007 BYU(11-2) #14/#152009 BYU(11-2) #12/#12
@ Rose Bowl call yet?What does this stat tell you?4 in a
row9 of the last 1257-34-4Head to head Utah OWNS BYU!
The stats you provided are irrelevant to what Utah has done to BYU
over the years. Your a typical BYU fan that hides behind other teams
that beat Utah because your team can't get the job done. The PAC-12 has
been tough for Utah, but it won't last forever. Eventually Utah will start
winning and getting back to bowl games.
UteanymousSalt Lake City, UtahUteologyAs usual,
you hide behind labels and hyperbole, instead of actual results.Utah's "power conference" resume is TWO seasons long.BYU's "power conference" resume is FOUR DECADES long.-------------As usual, you hide behind what LaVell Edwards and Norm Chow
accomplished. No one cares!
MyPerspective,Oh the irony of first lambasting "lame"
comments and then following that up with one of your own. "Maybe Provo High
is available in 2015". That's rich.
UteologyThe glaring omission in your analysis is your inability to
consider the context in which seasons are judged.BYU's 1984
#104 ... 13-0Utah's 2008 #56 ... 13-0BYU didn't just
appear on the national scene out of nowhere in 1984. The Cougars had been
building a national championship caliber resume since 1979.1979
(11-1) #13/#121980 (12-1) #12/#111981 (11-2) #13/#111982 (8-4)
unranked1983 (11-1) #7/#71984 (13-0) #1/#166-9 overall
record, FIVE Top 12 finishes, TWO Top 7 finishes, SIX conference champions, and
24 straight wins is what BYU's 1984 National Championship was built on, NOT
a #104 SOSCompare that to Utah 20082003 (10-2)
#21/#212004 (12-0) #4/#52005 (7-5) unranked2006 (8-5)
unranked2007 (9-4) unranked2008 (13-0) #2/#459-16
overall record, TWO Top 12 finishes, TWO Top 7 finishes, THREE conference
champions, and 14 straight wins, is what Utah's failed national
championship dream was built on, NOT Utah's #56 SOSBYU also had
an endless succession of Heisman Trophy contending quarterbacks - Wilson,
McMahon, Young and Bosco.Utah had Alex Smith and overachieving Brian
Uteology,I'm confused. Couldn't you say the same thing
about all fans hiding behind the accomplishments of the coaches and players of
the teams that they root for? And we're not just talking about Lavell
Edwards/Norm Chow accomplishments here. How many 11+ win seasons does Kyle have
compared to Bronco? Heck, how many does the entire Ute Football history have
compared to Bronco? We can go top-25 finishes next, if you'd like.
@Johnny TriumphThis has been debated over and over. There was no
BCS in 1996. The rule that kept mid-majors out was broken by Utah broke in
2004. That's why Utah is known as the Original BCS Buster.The
rules for non-AQ teams was the same in 2004 as it was in 1998. The rule changed
after the 2005 season, from the requirement of being a top 6 to a top 12 when a
5th BCS game was added:“Prior to 2005, non-BCS schools had to
finish in the top six to get an automatic berth. That meant the likes of Tulane
(12-0, No. 10 in 1998) and Marshall (13-0, No. 12 in 1999) didn't get a
shot. Utah did break through, finishing sixth in 2004." --
Dennis Dodd (CBS Sports)Notice BYU's 1996 season wasn't
even mentioned.@Uteanymous: "Still waiting for your power
conference resume."Why? You can't do your own research?Utah's P5 Resume:* 2011 SOS #49 8-5* 2012 SOS #41
5-7* 2013 SOS #3 5-7BYU's "slightly similar" MWC
schedule: * 2003 SOS #14 4-8* 2004 SOS #11 5-6* 2013 SOS
xamThere's no need for BYU to prove anything regarding past
rankings.The fact that BYU was ranked in both polls is proof enough
that they deserved to be ranked.Show me a season where Utah deserved
to be ranked, but wasn't.btw, Utah's BCS busting 2004
team, didn't play a single ranked team during the regular season, in fact,
the Utes only played three opponents with winning records, none better than
7-5.And, Utah's Fiesta Bowl opponent finished LOWER in the
final AP poll, #25, than BYU's 1984 regular season opponent, Air Force,
which finished #24 in the final AP poll.
This is much ado about nothing. byU will not be playing Bama in 2015, although
I really think they should. They're one and only shot at any type of a
decent bowl game will be gone on week one, so why not make some money at Bama.
They will end up in the exact same bowl game if they lost to Alabama also, so
give it a shot.
@phoenixBoise and TCU had MULTIPLE years of top 10 finishes, both
never sniffed a national title game. Your 1984 team would have made a BCS game
and most likely got THUMPED, much like the 2007 Hawaii team.No one
cares, specially the ACC and SEC, about what you did in the 70s and 80s, just
like no one cares about Yale's football history. Your BCS resume speaks for
Uteology"As usual, you hide behind what LaVell Edwards and Norm
Chow accomplished. No one cares!"Who's hiding behind LaVell
Edwards' accomplishments.Bronco has more overall
accomplishments than KyleAP Top 25 FinishesBronco 4Kyle
211+ Win, Top 25 FinishesBronco 3Kyle 1Conference ChampionshipsBronco 2Kyle 1In fact, Bronco
has MORE 11+ Win, Top 25 Finishes (THREE), than Utah has in their entire history
(TWO).That's all in addition to what LaVell Edwards
accomplished.Unlike Utah, BYU's national caliber football
resume began before 2004.
@giantfanFarmington, UTUteology,I'm confused.
Couldn't you say the same thing about all fans hiding behind the
accomplishments of the coaches and players of the teams that they root for? And
we're not just talking about Lavell Edwards/Norm Chow accomplishments here.
How many 11+ win seasons does Kyle have compared to Bronco? Heck, how many does
the entire Ute Football history have compared to Bronco? We can go top-25
finishes next, if you'd like.--------------Bronco
Quested for what Kyle did twice, that's all you need to know about the two
coaches. During the current era that just ended, BCS era:* BYU has ONE more AP top 25 finish than Utah* ZERO top 5 finishes* ZERO undefeated seasons* ZERO major bowl wins (6-6 overall in
bowls)* Losing record against Utah, TCU, and Boise* Losing record
against P5 teams while playing a mid-major schedule* Producing lesser
talent according to the NFLDid I miss something? This is where your
program is TODAY and ONLY when you have to go back to the early 90s does that
change.No one cares what you did in 30 years ago, for details
contact ACC, SEC, and the NFL.
Who cares if they lose to all three! Michigan, Alabama, and Nebraska! Exposure
would be great and there would be excitement in those games. Recruits would be
interested. As an independent exposure and big game opponents is about all BYU
can sell to recruits (no conference championship, no P5 BCS access really).DO IT!!! And just as Utah State or UNLV to come to Provo and then
return the favor two years at their place in a row.
UteanymousSalt Lake City, UtahUteology"As
usual, you hide behind what LaVell Edwards and Norm Chow accomplished. No one
cares!"Who's hiding behind LaVell Edwards'
accomplishments.Bronco has more overall accomplishments than Kyle------------That's your BCS Resume? BYU's BCS Resume (revised):* Bronco has more overall
accomplishments than Kyle* No undefeated seasons in the BCS era* No
BCS bowls* No BCS Bowl wins* No top 10 finishes (Utah 2, TCU 4)* Losing record against BCS teams* Losing record against top-mid majors
(3-9 vs. Utah, 2-5 vs. TCU, and 1-3 vs. Boise)* Losing record against
PAC-12 teams in the BCS era (12-14)* 62% of Bronco's total wins were
against teams with a losing record (which explains 11+ wins and no major wins)
Two reasons BYU has a better football team:* BYU has bowl
games--Utes non* BYU has more national exposureThat's it!
Everything else are excuses!
If Alabama does not ask byU to play them, will DN get a "guest"
columnist to write that the reason Alabama did not ask byU is that they were
@ sammygThat's fine because I never accused anybody of being
jealous. Begs the question, what's your point?
You all can cherry pick the stats to make yourself feel good if you like. The
only facts that matter are this:Utah - INbyU - OUTThanks, and have a nice day
@phoenixThere was no AP top 25 poll in 1984, but if you want to
count "others receiving votes" then AF was tied with Notre Dame: #24 Air
Force 26, #24 Notre Dame 26. So AF finished tied for #24.Avg
winning margin:2004 Utah - 25 points1984 BYU - 21 pointsOpponents Win-Lose:Utah 61-76 (45%)BYU 66-85 (42%)Closes Games:Utah - +14 AFBYU - +3 Pit (3-9), +5 Hawaii, +3
Wyoming, +5 AF, +7 Utah, +7 MichagonConclusion, the 1984 BYU team
nor the 2004 Utah team deserved the national title. Utah and TCU playing in a P5
conference has proven how difficult it is to play a real schedule. BYU fans
have had a taste of it as well (2003, 2004, and 2013).
@ worfUsually the team that wins the head-to-head match up is the
better team. Utah is better than BYU because:4 in a
row9 of the last 1257-34-4That is not a one time fluke!
That is a trend of Utah consistently beating up on little brother BYU.
UteologyIt's laughable how you're to use the same one
season accomplishment in a multitude of ways just the hide that fact that Kyle
was nothing but a one hit wonder.Bronco is 9-9 versus PAC 12 teams,
with wins over UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Washington St, Oregon St, Arizona, and
Utah.Kyle is 13-21 versus PAC 12 teams, and after three full seasons
in the PAC 12, Kyle still hasn't beaten Oregon or Washington.Bronco's teams have played in nine straight bowl games, including 2005,
when Bronco was rebuilding the program decimated by Crowton.Kyle's teams have only played in seven bowl games.Bronco has
FOUR consecutive AP Top 25 finishes.The Utes have never had more
than TWO consecutive AP Top 25 finishes in their entire history.
Alabama needs a game. Holmoe is scared. byu is scared. Having to play the
cream of a P5 conference would be just too tough.
MyPerspectiveSalt Lake City, UT"Alabama needs a game.
Holmoe is scared. byu is scared. Having to play the cream of a P5 conference
would be just too tough."Not scared to play Texas, not scared to
play Notre Dame, not scared to play Wisconsin, not even scared to play Utah, but
scared to play Alabama?Right...
As far as building a resume worthy of national championship consideration goes,
please explain how three consecutive unranked seasons, from 2005 to 2007, built
momentum for a national championship run for Utah in 2008.Utah
started 2008 coming off an unranked, 2007 season in which the Utes were shut out
0-27 by 10-loss UNLV and narrowly escaped finishing the season on a two-game
losing streak by pulling off a narrow win over Navy(8-5) 38-35 in their bowl
game.Utah wasn't even on the national championship radar when
2008 began and wasn't ranked as high as #8 until November 9th.In 1984, BYU was already ranked #8 by September 11th.Whether BYU
would have been included in a BCS championship game if one had existed in 1984
is pure speculation, but any fan who claims that the team that finished the
season ranked #1 in both the AP and Coaches polls wouldn't have been given
VERY SERIOUS consideration for the BCS championship game simply isn't being
honest.Utah, on the other hand, finished 6th in the final BCS
standings, completely out of the picture as far as the BCS championship game was
Clark W. Griswold,It's not a fluke. I can flip a coin and come
up with 4 straight heads or tails.No excuses!One goes
bowling, and the other not good enough. Can't win more then half their
games.Just that simple.
UteologyIt's laughable that you have to invalidate everything
BYU accomplished from 1974 to 1997 with some imaginary "BCS" line of
demarcation just to help you sleep at night.Especially convenient,
that you chose to leave out 1996, when BYU finished 14-1, ranked #5/#5, with a
win in the Cotton Bowl, the domino that set in motion the events that made it
possible for Utah to play in a BCS game in 2004.As far as
"BCS" accomplishments go, let me help you complete this particular
statement:BYU has ONE more AP top 25 finish [during the BCS era]
than Utah [has during their entire football history]."62% of
Bronco's total wins were against teams with a losing record (which explains
11+ wins and no major wins)"LOL at your self-serving, delusional
spin.2006 BYU(11-2) SOS #74, Utah(8-5) SOS #73; BYU stomped Oregon
38-82007 BYU(11-2) SOS #59, Utah(9-4) SOS #60; BYU beat UCLA 17-162009 BYU(11-2) SOS #61, Utah(10-3) SOS #75; BYU destroyed then #16 Oregon St
42-20If BYU's schedule was so "easy" in 2006, 2007, and
2009, why didn't Utah, with similar schedules, have 11+ wins?
Clark W. GriswoldSince 1972, BYU owns the series 26-16, including 18
of 20 from 1972 to 1991.Since BYU and Utah joined the WAC in 1962, BYU has
owned the series 29-23.WAC/MWC ChampionshipsBYU 23Utah
6AP Top 25 FinishesBYU 17Utah 5It's
quite obvious who has owned who in the last half century.
Y Grad / Y DadRichland, WANope. For weeks the cougar
faithful, supported by the local media, have complained about being
"snubbed" as they were relegated to mid-major status by the SEC. Plenty
of comments declared that the SEC wouldn't schedule byu because they were
afraid of losing.Well, here we are. Alabama needs a game with a
mid-major opponent (any mid-major opponent) and the cougs claim they belong in
the P5. It's time to either step up or shut up. My guess is
that the cougs will not step up but the talk will continue unabated.
Yeah schedule the game already! Especially with the new NCAA bowl design,
it's the closest to a shot at a national championship BYU will get.
(Playing a team that consistently competes for the national championship.) While
the odds are definitely not in our favor, hey upsets happen every year! Odds
were against Utah when they beat Alabama in 08-09. I watched that game and it
was awesome! Utah has earned its football reputation by winning big games. You
can't beat the big boys unless you play them! Here's hoping it gets
scheduled! Go BYU!
@ worf"One goes bowling, and the other not good enough.
Can't win more then half their games"One plays a weak sauce
schedule and gets to bowl eligibility. The other plays one of the toughest
schedules in college football and does not get to bowl eligibility. One team goes to a bowl game and gets humiliated on national TV and the other
stays home eating popcorn and enjoying the show. BYU last year
proved that they can't beat anyone good on their schedule. The Washington
loss was the nail in the coffin. It's just that simple!
MyPerspective,My my, you make it seem you're privy to the
goings on. The only thing BYU has to do is say "yes" and Alabama's
on the schedule for 2015? I guess no one ever taught you what happens when you
@phoenixThere's no need for BYU to prove anything regarding past
rankings.Did BYU beat any teams that finished the year ranked during
that "legacy" period? It's quite possible that Utah beat as many
ranked team in 1996 (3) and 2008 (4) as BYU has beat in their entire football
@ BlueCoug"Since 1972, BYU owns the series 26-16, including 18
of 20 from 1972 to 1991.Since BYU and Utah joined the WAC in 1962, BYU has
owned the series 29-23"It's kind of sad that BYU fans
resort to selective stats to make their argument. Why not trace the rivalry back
to it's beginnings in 1896 or 1922? I already know the answer to that. BYU
can only trace their success back to 1972. Before then BYU was irrelevant!Since 1896 Utah owns the series 57-34-4 including a whopping 39-5-4
record between 1922-1971. Since Utah joined the PAC-12 and BYU went
Independent, Utah is a perfect 3-0 against BYU.Total Conference
Championships:Utah 24BYU 23It's quite obvious who
has owned who in the history of this rivalry.
Griswold,"One plays a weak sauce schedule and gets to bowl
eligibility."An SOS in the top 1/3 of the country is not
"weak sauce" but you keep telling yourself that."the
other (team) stays home eating popcorn and enjoying the show."I
can understand them enjoying the show since it's getting pretty comfortable
sitting on that couch. And we all know they have the same spot reserved for this
worfMcallen, TXTwo reasons BYU has a better football team:* BYU has bowl games--Utes non* BYU has more national exposureThat's it! Everything else are excuses!_________More wishful thinking from a Coug.Since when does national exposure make
you a better team? National exposure has brought more losses against ranked
WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, IDworfMcallen,
TXTwo reasons BYU has a better football team:* BYU has bowl
games--Utes non* BYU has more national exposureSurprised
you're bring national exposure up.....starting with your bowl game
humiliation to being declared pretty much a non-entity by the major conferences
to now your very public NCAA problems is that what you want to crow about?
Clark W. Griswold"Since 1896 Utah owns the series 57-34-4
including a whopping 39-5-4 record between 1922-1971."BYA won
the 1890's series 3-2, but BYU didn't start playing football until
1922, three DECADES after Utah, so BYU didn't have a single 4-year player
until 1925. Then from 1943 to 1945, BYU suspended their football
program because of WWII, while Utah kept right on playing. So once again, in
1946, BYU was starting over from scratch, while Utah had been playing
continually since 1894. Add to that, the fact that 22 of the first
31 games were played at Utah, because BYU devoted so few funds to football that
BYU didn't even have their own football field, and it's easy to see
why Utah "dominated the series from 1922 to 1961.The BYU got
serious about football, build a stadium, joined with Utah to help create the
WAC, and the two programs went in opposite directions:
In 1964, Utah won their first WAC championship and played in the Liberty
Bowl.In 1965, BYU beat Utah for only the third time and won their
first conference championship.By the time Utah won their second WAC
championship, in 1995,BYU had won a National Championship, SEVENTEEN
WAC championships, a Heisman Trophy, had played in NINETEEN bowl games, had
finished in the AP Top 25 ELEVEN times, and had beaten Utah 22 of 30 times.Utah didn't play in a single bowl game from 1965 to 1991, and
didn't crack the AP Top 25 until 1994.Sorry to burst your
crimson bubble, but Utah's period of head-to-head domination ended when BYU
and Utah joined the WAC.On a significant achievement level, Utah
didn't have a single conference winning, AP Top 25 season until 2003.It's easy to see why BYU fans don't think much of Utah's
pre-2003 "accomplishments" - there weren't any.
Two things. Yes BYU should play 'Bama if it has the opportunity. BYU could
get great exposure as a tough, willing independent school on the same level as a
Notre Dame. Also, except for the fact that the roles are reversed,
Ute fans remind of Duck fans. Neither one can stay off of the others blog
"turf" trying to muddy the face of their main rival.
@UteanymousAgain, Kyle Wittingham (Utah) and Gary Paterson (TCU) had
the top two most wins as mid-major coaches against BCS teams, including PAC-12
and Big 12 teams. Now, Bronco has a better record then both those
coaches vs PAC-12 and Big 12 opponents. But Bronco still has a losing record
against P5 teams overall, including 8 straight loses to both Kyle and Gary. TCU and Boise build "a resume worthy of national championship
consideration" yet they still couldn't get into the national title
game. In fact, the best mid-major team ever under BCS rules was the 2008 Utah
team (16 AP votes).Regardless, forget Utah or TCU. I am still
waiting for you to post BYU's BCS Resume.
@BlueCougOrem, UTUteologyIt's laughable that
you have to invalidate everything BYU accomplished from 1974 to 1997 with some
imaginary "BCS" line of demarcation just to help you sleep at night.-----------It's laughable that you think the BCS era
was imaginary. I think Edwards and Chow were greats, they
accomplished a lot at BYU. But that doesn't take away form the fact that
during the last 16 years BYU only has Quest t-shirts and Airport Celebrations to
show as accomplishments. No major wins, no major bowl wins, nothing.
Clark W. Griswold,Schedule envy?Excuses are a sign of
weakness.You're barking up the wrong tree.If you
can't bowl, you're not very good. Period! Can't spin your way
out of it.Byu has it, and the utes don't.
Another article on college football (regardless of the team being Y or U) and
the same old comments. We are better than you are. I sometimes wonder if many
of the posters even read the article. Ignoring all the petty bickering ...Of course BYU should try to schedule this game. Yes it would mean only
5 home games that year which is a legitimate concern but what an opportunity.
The thought that it would make the schedule too difficult, to me, is a terrible
excuse. Teams in good conferences play 6 to 10 difficult games every year,
something the Y has never done. Take the game with Alabama and see if you can
compete with teams like Nebraska, Michigan, and Alabama to offset the other
games against teams like UNLV and several other teams the Y should beat handily.
I can't imagine any true Cougar fan is excited about their schedule this
year. Playing a couple of big name teams every year, along with a handful of
less competitive P5 teams, and half the games against MWC (or similar) teams
isn't big time football.
One quick one for Worf - both Buffalo and UNLV made bowl games last year. So
does that make them good teams? Spin your way out of that question.If you are happy playing Idaho, Idaho State and similar teams in order to
generate 8 wins a year and make a bowl game, that is you call.
@ Lonestar Runner "BYA won the 1890's series 3-2, but BYU
didn't start playing football until 1922, three DECADES after Utah, so BYU
didn't have a single 4-year player until 1925"Actually that
is incorrect! Utah and BYA tied their series in the 1890's 3-3. Look it
up!Like I said, BYU's greatest success was in the WAC from
1972-1998. Can't dispute that! But Utah still owns the rivalry 57-34-4.
Can't dispute that either!
Clark W. Griswold"Total Conference Championships: Utah 24, BYU
23"Not all conference champions are created equal.Of
BYU's 23 conference champions19 (82%) won 8 or more games19
(82%) played in a bowl14 (61%) were ranked in the AP Top 25Of
Utah's 24 conference champions9 (38%) won 8 or more games5
(21%) played in a bowl3 (13%) were ranked in the AP Top 25It
speaks volumes about insignificance of the vast majority of Utah's
conference championship teams when only THREE of them were good enough to be
ranked and only FIVE of them played in a bowl, NONE before 1964.
Clark W. GriswoldActually, 3-2 is correct.Utah padded
their record by counting a spring scrimmage as an actual game. Seriously, only
the Utes would be so desperate as to count a spring scrimmage as a real game.
Look it up!Utah had no meaningful success on a national scale in
their first 99 seasons of football.Prior to 2003, not a single Utah
team had won a conference championship and finished in the AP Top 25 in the same
CO UteIf you're happy criticizing BYU for playing Idaho State
when scheduling options were limited as an independent newcomer, I'm ok
with that. Well, well, well, look who's playing who on Aug 28th
at RES... The mighty Idaho State Bengals.I guess when you're
looking at another miserable 2-7 conference season like last year it's
really important to pad your schedule to desperately hope for a miracle's
chance of being bowl eligible, huh?That's ok right? But for BYU
to just get ANY game to fill out its independent schedule at the last moment,
it's not?You hug and cherish that Idaho State win as it will
become one of just 4-5 'signature' wins the Utes will have in 2014 as
a 'prestigious PAC12 member'.
@ Lonestar RunnerThat April game does count. It was an unusual time
to play the game. But both Utah and BYA agreed to play the game. So the game
counts and the series was tied 3-3 in the 1890's. So I'm correct! It
shouldn't matter to BYU fans anyway since they don't count their games
played when they were known BYA. @ Broken Truth Machine"Not all conference champions are created equal"Really? Is
that all you got? Utah has more conference championships and you have to down
play it. It's just like saying BYU's national success was built upon
playing weak sauce teams in the WAC.What's the difference
between the WAC and the Rocky Mountain Conference? Many of the WAC members were
former members of the Mountain States Conference. Utah dominated the Mountain
States Conference like BYU dominated the WAC. I guess it just ruins
BYU's argument that they don't have more conference championships than
Haven't commented about this article yet. Looking at all the comments it
would be easy to get sucked into the back and forth same ole same ole but I
won't bite...besides, as COUte pointed out it's all the same drivel
anyway.BYU should work out a deal with one of the lesser teams on
their schedule to swap a home and home arrangement and schedule Bama. If you
want to be considered a P5 program you have to step up and play P5 opponents
whenever the opportunity presents itself. Looking at the schedule, there are
other P5 programs with openings as well. Time to put your money where your mouth
is BYU...no excuses, schedule them.
CO Ute,If you are happy playing Northern Colorado, Idaho State and
similar teams in order to generate 8 wins a year and make a bowl game, that is
you call. Didn't work, did it?How about Colorado, Cal, and
Washington State? Soft teams, and still no bowl game.
CO Ute"both Buffalo and UNLV made bowl games last year. So does
that make them good teams?"Not necessarily, but with over 70
teams qualifying for bowls, playing in a bowl should at least be the minimum
standard for being considered "good" regardless of schedule and
@ sammygAccusing Utah of "padding" it's schedule is
just silly. Utah probably has one of the top 5 most difficult schedules in the
country. But you knew that.
Clark,If you are talking strictly in terms of head-to-head matchups,
then yes, Utah has been the better team. But most of the rest of the country
consider the overall record at the end of the season, SOS, Sagarin rankings,
etc. as indicators of which team is better. So if you use those criteria, BYU
is the better team. And I'm sure you or one of your fellow "fans"
will come up with some obscure stat in an attempt to prove Utah is the OVERALL
They should try and do a home and home. It kinda sucks that that most the big
games are away games and not quite fair. They should try and do it anyway. We
could get creamed, or like at Oklahoma come away with a win. Even if we lost to
Bama by a couple touchdowns it wouild show we could play with them at BYU.
Clark W. Griswold"That April game does count. It was an unusual
time to play the game. But both Utah and BYA agreed to play the game."They agreed to a scrimmage, nothing more.----------------"Really? Is that all you got? Utah has more conference championships
and you have to down play it."He's just stating the facts,
which obviously show that the vast majority of Utah's conference
championships don't even come close to comparing to a WAC, MWC or PAC
championship.Utah fans are already beating their chests about how
much more meaningful a PAC championship would be, versus a WAC or MWC
championship.The difference between a Skyline / Rocky Mountain
Conference championship and a WAC / MWC championship is even greater.From 1936, when the AP poll was started, to 1962, when the WAC was founded,
Utah won 10 conference championships. NONE of those teams was ranked or played
in a bowl.Why?Because, winning the RMC or Skyline
championship was so inconsequential, that no one outside of the Rocky Mountain
area even noticed.
2ferSo what do you call it? All the more reason to pad a schedule
huh?Utes had a choice to schedule Idaho State and probably several
other teams but chose them. We know by sad experience that the Utes will
probably always be on the bubble to win 4 out of 9 conference games.Getting an easy win is pretty critical now isn't it?So I get
a little tired of hearing U guys accusing BYU of choosing to have a soft
schedule to get a bowl game. It is what it is. U guys on the other hand are
really desperate to get in by any means now.Now if you really want
to talk about padding a schedule would you like to talk basketball?
Two For FlinchingSalt Lake City, UT@ sammygAccusing Utah of "padding" it's schedule is just silly. Utah
probably has one of the top 5 most difficult schedules in the country. But you
knew that.He knows it, He's just having a real hard dealing
with the direction his team is taking.
All of the utes SOS talk is ridiculous.Do they play a tougher
schedule than BYU? Of course they do, but they act like losing your games
against a tough schedule makes you some kind of juggernaut.Guess
what? I could throw some 2A High School team into the Pac-12 and they could miss
bowl appearances just as easily as utah.I know that utah is far
better than a 2A High School, as the HS would finish 0-12, but I'm just
making the point that your schedule does nothing if you don't win games.Also, the utes have their fair share of easy opponents this year. Idaho
St, Fresno St, Wash. St, Colorado. I'm not calling their overall schedule
easy, but it's not the 12 game mine field that they try to make it sound
IF BYU can get a home and home take the game and schedule it the second to last
game of the season when the tradition rich SEC schedules the Weber State and
Idaho States their conference. If not BYU/ESPN should argue for a neutral site
game in Texas. In the event of not getting the game, BYU should
look to get a one and done. Maybe invite Wyoming since we finished the series
in Laramie. I wouldn't mind seeing a top of the league MAC team like
Northern Illinois.As for ALL the Utah comments, Utah needs to take
care of itself. Its going to be a VERY tough year with only Idaho State as a
guarantee win. Washington State and Colorado, teams BYU would never lose to are
toss ups for Utah. We all believe that Utah isn't going to win more games
than last year, so if they can manage to get to a bowl the state should give the
team a parade.
@ Cosmo1974Sagarin ratings 201334- Utah (SOS 3)35-
BYU (SOS 38)How's that for an obscure stat?
@ sammygPlaying one warm-up game before conference is not the same
as padding over half the schedule with teams like UNLV, UNR, MTSU, Savannah St,
Cal, UCONN, and Virginia.
@ Steven S Jarvis"Washington State and Colorado, teams BYU would
never lose to......."That's a bold claim considering what
happened in Virginia last year.....
2ferConsidering Utah has lost to 10-loss UNLV and 10-loss Colorado,
as well as New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State, and Washington State, the Utes
have proven that they're capable of losing to anybody on BYU's
BYU should schedule Bama. Try to get the game as bad as you can, using any
means possible.Doesn't mean they will win. Bama will run
roughshod over them, probably beating them by at least four touchdowns.The Sagarin stat is telling, that a Utah team that didn't even make it to
a bowl game, still ranked above an 8 win BYU team (who got curb stomped by
Washington in their bowl game btw).
To the multiple posters on here pointing finger at WAZZU, they should re-think
their position. Last season WAZZU outplayed Auburn in Auburn down to the wire
before narrowly losing. They also beat USC in L.A. When has byu ever beat USC?
They concluded the regular season 6-6 against what was ranked at the time the
#1 SOS in the nation.I get that byu fan avoids SOS like the scourge
because it literally destroys his illusion of byu football's standing in
relation to the big boys, yet it's entirely 100% relevant. Just ask those
in charge of our brand-new playoff-format of its import.
@ mussingaroundWhat Utah did in 2006, with completely different
players, in a completely different conference some how effects their team today?
Nice logic. CU was a bad loss, but that happens to every program. Alabama
lost to UL-Montroe in 2007, could the Tide also lose to anybody on BYU's
2ferWhat Utah did in 2008, with completely different players, in a
completely different conference, is also completely irrelevant to Utah's
team today, yet Utah fans like U somehow think that 2008 somehow proves that the
Utes can be competitive in a big boy conference...4-5, 3-6, 2-7 says
@2Fer,Granted Virginia was a bad team that the Cougars had no
business losing to. I could point out the flood in the visitors tunnel or that
the Cougars were playing two time zones away that made the game more difficult.
The fact is the Cougars should never have lost that one; however it was the
first such bad loss under the Mendehall era. Whittingham has a history replete
with inexplicable losses while the lone loss is very unlikely to be duplicated.
@ mussingaroundI agree with you. 2008 was a lot of fun, but it
doesn't mean a thing when our team takes the field this summer. I can
guarantee you that I have never claimed anything different. However, I do think
Utah is getting better, despite the W/L record. The schedule has been brutal,
and Utah hasn't had the horses to compete week in and week out. I'm
optimistic that the Utes will be able to put it together in the next year or
@ Steven S JarvisBronco lost to SDSU in 2005, and a 4-win Utah St.
in 2010. Bad losses happen to everybody.
I think it's funny that the term "warm-up game" is now the new Ute
PC phrase for 'padding my schedule game'.I wonder what
Idaho State fans call their games against Div. 1 teams?Obviously one
team is putting it on the line and the other is well... just looking to get
closer to maybe a snowball's chance to get a third tier bowl game as the
sammyg,How many "warm-up games" does byu have before they play in
their meaningless bowl.And what's your insight on why holmoe
chickened out of playing Alabama?
u-pac"Even Utah has gifted games to BYU on a 2 for 1 deal.....
2016-17-18 is all."Silly Utah, the last series scheduled ended
with the 2013 game in Provo and the 2016 game in SLC. The 2017 and 2018 were the
latest editions to the series.BYU will NEVER agree to a 2-1 with the
Utes, unless its 2 games in spacious LES, for 1 game in tiny LES.
u-pac"After Utah curtailed the annual rivalry a few years ago,
Tom Holmoe begged Dr. Hill and he agreed to schedule BYU for one game in 2016 at
RES."That's an outright fabrication! (I'd use a
stronger word, but the DN screeners wouldn't allow it.)BYU
never has and never will agree to a 2 for 1 with Utah.
U-PAC"tickets to Ute game these days are 5 times-plus more
expensive than at LES"Laughing out loud at your crimson-clouded
delusion.Season Ticket Prices (not including donations to the Cougar
or Crimson club)LES - $110 to $750RES - $130 to $475And
let's not forget, Utah gives football tickets to its students; BYU students
have to pay $190 ($300 guest) for Reserved and $125 ($180 guest) for General
Admission ROC Passes.
@UtePAcThat 4-8 USU loss wasn't to a bad team. They were very
similar to the Utes program these past two years albeit with less experience
under their belt. They lost to some very good teams (Boise State, SDSU and
Fresno). They should have beat Oklahoma on the road though.Its far
more embarrassing to lose to Colorado at home when a trip to the PAC
championship was on the line (a team that hadn't won a conference road in
three years) than it is to lose to Virginia on the road to start the season.
The stakes are much different. You are also ignoring the the Utes lost to EVERY
team in the MWC under Whit.Yep, the Utes are at the party in the
PAC12; however they are sitting at the kiddie table with Cal, Washington State
and Colorado all looking at the big boys USC, Washington, Stanford and Oregon.
That isn't about to change. If I had to choose between the
PAC12 and Indy, I would stick to Indy at this point. Its simply better to CREATE
your own party than to go to someone else's or to let others define who you
@ Steven S Jarvis4-8 Utah St. was a horrible team. They were blown
out by SDSU, Boise, and Fresno.... and the Aggies were also blown out by Nevada,
Hawaii, and IDAHO (in Logan). They were not similar to Utah at all. The Aggies
played in the WAC, like they had for the previous 13 years, and they had a SR.
QB playing. Utah was met with a huge jump in competition after switching
conferences, but at least the Utes were competitive. The blowouts have been few
are far in-between. The 2010 Aggies got blown out nearly every time they
stepped on the field. There is no comparison between the two; except that they
beat BYU.Cal was a top 10 team, ten years ago. WSU was in the Rose
bowl in 2001. CU was a national champion in the 90's. Just because Utah
is down now, doesn't mean they will be forever.You are in the
extreme minority if you would choose the PAC-12 over Indy. BYU created their
own party while the rest of the country labeled the Cougars a mid-major program
and left them out of the P5.
2fer"Utah was met with a huge jump in competition after
switching conferences, but at least the Utes were competitive."Define competitive.Only under the crimson bubble on the hill would
they consider 4-5, 3-6, 2-7 competitive.With a gift-wrapped PAC
South there for the taking, U couldn't even beat a 10-loss team that
hadn't won a road game in 4 years on your home field - and that was in your
2ferOperative word "was".Utah was only up for
only a couple of brief periods, 2003-2004 and 2008-2009.Other than
that, Utah's entire football history is one of middle to bottom of the
conference mediocrity in the WAC/MWC or simply being less mediocre than the
extremely mediocre teams of the Skyline/RMC.
Should not even be a question. Look at this schedule! BYU also plays E
Carolina, UConn, Cincinnati and Fresno. I would rather see BYU play a mammoth
schedule than schedule Western Maine.
Yes, yes, and yes again.We should definitely schedule Alabama and do
it now before we miss the boat.When we are out of the (mid major)
catagory, we can afford to negotiate and make surethat we have a good deal
or at least a fair deal in (back to back) or (home and away)arrangements.We are not yet considered a significant team when
compared to the teams of the Big 5 conference. I suggest that playing as many
Big 5 teams as possible, win or lose, and as few mid major teams as possible and
no teams below the mid major level, this is the activity thatwill cause
the college football world to start thinking of us as a major.If
that means that we have to travel away in order to get a Big 5 conference team
on our schedule, than so be it. We need to stop bickering and get
the job done. Schedule now. Turn off the computer and make that call.
@ RockwellI did define competitive. Utah has been "in" the
vast majority of conf. games played so far. As in, not very many blow outs.
Hopefully Utah will get over the hump this year.
@ backpacnUtah and BYU had the same number of MWC championships.
However, I agree with the majority of your post. Utah doesn't have a great
history of accomplishments on the national scale. But when (not if) Utah does
put together another great season they will be playing for national titles.
Nobody will admit it, but Utah is the only team in this state with the potential
to do so. One of the benefits of being in a P5 conference....
2fer"But when (not if) Utah does put together another great
season they will be playing for national titles."Don't hold
your breath. A program that only has 5 lifetime AP Top 25 finishes isn't
likely to have flash-in-the-pan great seasons very often. Arizona was a MUCH
better program in the WAC and the Wildcats have yet to play in a Rose Bowl after
more than 30 years in the PAC.It's laughable that you talk
about the "benefits of being in a P5 conference" when U haven't
even been good enough to qualify for a bowl in two of your three seasons in the
PAC.Playing a better schedule doesn't mean much if you
One of my friends, a Ute fan, told me this:BYU is the only program
with a history. Utah is the only program with a future.Go Utes!
@2ferI am a bit older BYU fan. Back in the early nineties when I
attended the Y the groundswell for independence was already started. It was the
ideal dream. BYU wasn't ready and independence nearly crushed USU around
that time so it was time to make the MWC. With the realignment and the need to
own the rights to rebroadcast games BYU finally did the right thing. Sure many
would like to be in the Big 12 or PAC 12. I am not one of them. I get bored of
the same old teams coming in no matter who the program is. There is little
incentive in being stuck in a league besides money. I love seeing
teams from all over the country play BYU. I really don't care who BYU is
playing if its someone new. In regards to Alabama, they still owe
us a return trip they chickened out of after the close call last time BYU played
them. I want a neutral site game in Texas in an NFL stadium with Bama. I think
that BYU should schedule two neutral site big games a year and only play teams
willing to come to Provo.
@Mexican UteThe future of the Ute program is likely going to be
similar to the past. The Utes will always be at a recruiting
disadvantage in their league due to the lack of an ocean/tradition/lifestyle
that top recruits want.The Utes will likely not make a bowl.They will always changing either a head coach, Offensive or Defensive
coordinator yearly.The Utes fans will always flock to the Y message
board to remind us that they once beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl and Pitt in the
Fiesta. (and the Y fans 1984 Championship and Detmer's Heisman)The Utes will be a tough game at home (thank you altitude) and will be an
easier game on the road.
@ Steven S JarvisMoney is not the only incentive to being in a
conference. Bowl tie-ins and schedule stability are both HUGE incentives. I
would say that those two things are what BYU fans complain about the most since
BYU went independent. Not to mention, if you lose a game, the season isn't
over. You can still compete for the conf. title, or at least a good position in
conference to earn a berth in a good bowl.If BYU was in the Big 12,
I doubt many Coug fans would be bored watching OU, Texas, Baylor, etc. roll
through Provo. Also, I don't understand your point about playing new teams
being fun. Savannah St. is new, but I can guarantee you that it will not be a
fun game. Playing CSU late in November with conf. implications on the line
would be infinitely better, IMO.Weber has the same chance of hosting
BYU in Ogden, as BYU does of bringing the Tide into Provo. A neutral site game
would be more likely, but even then I doubt Alabama would be willing to match up
with BYU. Alabama only plays neutral site games against P5 (former BCS) teams.
@ backpacnWell that's the great thing about being a fan; hope
springs eternal. Utah had two bad years, but it isn't a death sentence
like BYU fans are making it out to be. Washington was horrible from 2004-2009.
They won 1, 2, 5, 4, 0, and 5 wins respectively in each of those seasons. But
they managed to recover and have been to bowl the past four seasons, and won
their bowl game with authority in 2013. Once the coaching and QB carousel
settles down Utah will be a respectable player in the PAC-12. They're
probably not going to be perennial contenders, but being an upper half team with
an outside shot of winning conference every 4-6 years is possible.
Mexican,"Utah is the only program with a future."Two losing seasons with a tougher schedule than last year is having a future?
How about we analyze the present before discussing the future. One team
can't make a bowl and the other hasn't missed a bowl since 2005. Some
future to look forward to for a certain team.
2fer"Well that's the great thing about being a fan; hope
springs eternal. Utah had two bad years,..."More like two good
years and over a hundred years of mediocre to bad seasons.You can
count Utah's 11+ win, Top 25 teams on two fingers, and with only one more
finger, you can count Utah's Top 25 ranked conference champions.
BYU had a bigger history than Utah from about the 1970s to around 2000.Utah owned BYU before the 1970s and since 2001 is 9-3 against BYU, including
the last four games.Utah's ONE bowl game brought in more money
for the team than BYU's THREE bowl games. Combined.Not to
mention that Pac 12 membership the money is spread around too. That means a
bigger budget towards athletics and improving their research facility in
medicine among other things.But if you really want history, here you
go:Number of January bowl games: Utah 2 BYU 1All time
series: Utah 57 BYU 34 Ties 4While BYU has more top 25 finishes
than Utah and by a long shot, the vast majority of those were in the LaVell
Edwards era though Roscoe has had a few good seasons, though nothing special as
their repeated losses to top tier competition have been disappointing.Remember, Whittingham WAS BYU's first option before Bronco. Whittingham
decided to go to Utah instead. We are happy to have him.
@2Fer,Utah is stuck playing AZ, AZ St. Colorado, USC and UCLA each
year. All those teams are on the rise currently. While I believe Utah is
getting better too, its not keeping up with the neighbors.Utah has a
very slim shot at bowling. They must win 3-4 conference games. Colorado
currently is a toss up. USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Arizona State are all
likely losses. Some years Utah will beat Cal, Colorado, Oregon State,
Washington State, Arizona and Stanford (which they match up well with at home).
I only see them bowling about thirty percent of the time right now. I am looking forward to seeing a SWAC team. While I prefer Grambling Savannah
State will do fine. This is the last chance probably to see such a program.
"If Alabama is going to play any non-conference teams in the heat of SEC
play, it's going to be a FCS cupcake team."BYU in November
As a cougar fan I would love to see a game versus the Tide. However there are
multiple problems: Huge ones at that.First. It is not a neutral site with
neutral or so-called "non-power 5" officials. Like what Utah enjoyed.
No, this game is at home for The Tide, with SEC officials guaranteeing an
Alabama victory. And, if that wasn't enough, after watching the first 4
games of the season this year and knowing that it is clearly the worst
officiating in the history of College football, it would be a boring boring game
to watch. Every play for a loss for Alabama would result in a PF against BYU.
Every play over five yards by BYU would be called back for a phantom holding
call. Every failed long bomb by Alabama would be a First and 10 after an equally
phantom like PI penalty.Nope. Sorry, but that game can't happen
in Tuscaloosa. If ESPN would arrange the game and put it in Dallas with Big 10
Officials, then that would be a fabulous game to attend!!
Oh how I would love to see this happen. Bama would win by 40 points.
It's obvious we'd play them if at all possible, home and home would be
the best scenario. If we could play an SEC team, go for it! It's that
simple, you play who you can play from a power five any time you can. That will
help recruiting and it will help our case for being considered a top power five
opponent as an independent, especially if we are beating these teams on a
consistent basis. Anyone who thought any different would be crazy. BYU is a
program that is on the rise and deserves to be considered a power 5 opponent and
if it wins those games and has that kind of schedule every year, then we will be
invited to the Big XII and we will become the program we want BYU football to
become. You are right, it's a no brainer.
Hill will be a Sr. and it would be good for his Heisman hopes if byu beats them
at Alabama...he won't win it this year. Weak schedule. Would watch that
one, though. Utah grad, but we beat them, why not byu, so they can brag, too.
@KH "Utah will continue playing in the 2nd best conference in the
nation, only behind the SEC." If Utah wasnt in the conference it would
probably be the best conference in college football...quit holding the pac 12
back! Its not fair to them.
Heck yes I would love to see a seventy to ten beat down by the "Y".
I guess it depends on how badly BYU wants to get beat. I am a BYU alumni. They
have a nice football program, but they cannot compete with Alabama. They lost
to Central Florida this week. I know that the injuries have been awful and
unfortunate. I do not understand why they thought that being an independent was
the way to go.I saw them play Wisconsin last year. UW beat them
easily and UW is not an elite team, though they are pretty good.
"Should BYU try to schedule Alabama in 2015?"Well, yeah.
Why is that even a question?